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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    Well, since the one worked loose, the next two (top & bottom) were doing double duty so aluminum threads came out with those too, and the plate got tweaked by the input shaft a bit, so its done. I really want to put this thing back together to see if reverse is fixed, and make sure everything else is OK, but might just start fresh... decisions

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    You were putting loctite on them right ?

    I wonder if theres enough room to put a BHSCS from the backside/inside and make it act like a stud ? An entire end cap bearing plate like the older transmissions would go great lengths towards keeping things stiff and meshed... If Simon has even remembered those.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    Is it possible to drill the heads for safety wire?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 135sohc View Post
    You were putting loctite on them right ?

    I wonder if theres enough room to put a BHSCS from the backside/inside and make it act like a stud ? An entire end cap bearing plate like the older transmissions would go great lengths towards keeping things stiff and meshed... If Simon has even remembered those.
    I typically dont threadlock those (may change that) and never had them loosen before... guessing the threads were just yieled from over use.

    The end bearing plate on the older trans' was reduced to the later style because the distance from the bearings to the bolts was too much, which is why the older ones flexed so much. I think I posted pics of the 555 I have with two extra c-sink bolts added between the two shaft bearings? Kindof a predecessor to the later style. A thicker CM support plate would be good. I like the stud idea too, not sure if it woudl fit, but have a hammered aluminum bearing plate I can chop up to see LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo3Iroc View Post
    Is it possible to drill the heads for safety wire?
    Definitely possible. Not sur eif safety wire woudl haev helped this though, i think the bolt was more pushed out than unthreaded

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    I typically dont threadlock those (may change that) and never had them loosen before... guessing the threads were just yieled from over use.

    The end bearing plate on the older trans' was reduced to the later style because the distance from the bearings to the bolts was too much, which is why the older ones flexed so much. I think I posted pics of the 555 I have with two extra c-sink bolts added between the two shaft bearings? Kindof a predecessor to the later style. A thicker CM support plate would be good. I like the stud idea too, not sure if it woudl fit, but have a hammered aluminum bearing plate I can chop up to see LOL



    Definitely possible. Not sur eif safety wire woudl haev helped this though, i think the bolt was more pushed out than unthreaded
    Would inserts give it more strength than just the bolts in aluminum? I'm no engineer but everything in aviation has inserts in it and similar conditions.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    An insert might help by reducing thread wear/damage vs the bolt being torqued directly into the aluminum bulkhead especially if its being taken apart frequently but otherwise I just cant see it adding any direct strength because theres just not a whole lot of meat/structure in that area of the transmission. I've got a junk 568 case that I may throw something together tomorrow and check the clearance to see if theres enough room to put the bolts in from the backside and stud the plate into place.
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
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    Nice run JT, is that your best 330' and if so, by how much? (next closest 330')

    Went back a few pages and it looks like your best 330' with 24's was 4.77, so you've gained over a tenth with the 26's and twin disc so far! Not sure why that hasn't translated to a 10.50 (changed shift point/ better shifting down the track?) but your deff headed in the right direction!
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    Waiting for carnage! Fixing something that is broke might result in a better product for the rest of us but possibly a waste of time and money.
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    Well, since the one worked loose, the next two (top & bottom) were doing double duty so aluminum threads came out with those too, and the plate got tweaked by the input shaft a bit, so its done. I really want to put this thing back together to see if reverse is fixed, and make sure everything else is OK, but might just start fresh... decisions
    You need an A568 for an around town test to see if the clutch is affecting reverse, or you want to race with the current trans to see if reverse is fixed?

    I have a trans collecting dust if the former.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

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    Nice run JT, is that your best 330' and if so, by how much? (next closest 330')

    Went back a few pages and it looks like your best 330' with 24's was 4.77, so you've gained over a tenth with the 26's and twin disc so far! Not sure why that hasn't translated to a 10.50 (changed shift point/ better shifting down the track?) but your deff headed in the right direction!
    Yeah, it is nice to not spin well into 3rd anymore, LOL... was hoping to play with it at SDAC, stoopid reverse LOL

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    Waiting for carnage! Fixing something that is broke might result in a better product for the rest of us but possibly a waste of time and money.
    Carnage up tonight maybe

    Quote Originally Posted by Skibbe View Post
    You need an A568 for an around town test to see if the clutch is affecting reverse, or you want to race with the current trans to see if reverse is fixed?

    I have a trans collecting dust if the former.
    Thanks for the offer Skibbe, but I want to check reverese with this pile before subjecting any known good trans to it. Got a spare trans of my own if needed and hopefully a good spare i-shaft in a parts trans from Dave

    Anyone got a 91 523 3.85:1 they want to part with?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post

    Anyone got a 91 523 3.85:1 they want to part with?
    Straight to 3.85 from 3.50 with no stop at 3.77?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    Damn, are you still running 3.50 gears?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    Yep... they were much needed to try to stick the 24.5's. I'd like to get a good track day with the 26's and 3.50's to see if I can actually get it to hook in 2nd, then I'll probably try the 3.85's

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    Keep the 3.50's and turn the boost up more for wheel speed.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    Yep... they were much needed to try to stick the 24.5's. I'd like to get a good track day with the 26's and 3.50's to see if I can actually get it to hook in 2nd, then I'll probably try the 3.85's
    Prob a good idea, 1 run does not = full results and I'm willing to bet if you would have had 2-3 more runs at SDAC you would have done even better.

    Having said that, I believe that 3.85 with 26's will make the car faster And quicker...........

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    At your trap speed you only give up 134 rpm if you have to settle for 3.77's.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    OUCH!
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

    You sure know how to break stuff....

    For some reason every time I have drained the soup out of my 568 it has that same color. I can see brass, aluminum and even some darker (steel??) colored sludge that settles to the bottom of the drain bucket after a week or two.
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

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    At your trap speed you only give up 134 rpm if you have to settle for 3.77's.
    Looking at all 3, not sure the 3.77 step is worth it...
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