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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    Update... head is on, just set up the timing and bolted on the ATI damper... still got the alternator, manifolds, turbo, downpipe, IC piping, etc, etc to put on, re-plumb oiling, fabricate new crank trigger setup... ok, back to the garage!
    I really hate how all of those little things add up.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Austrian Dodge View Post
    thats exactly what i'm interested in
    is that damper a press fit on the crank?
    Yes, its made for the 2.4L so bolts/presses on like a stocker or any of the aftermarket pulleys. I have pics of the installation tool I made too, works awesome! Need to make into KC article...

    Here is my old MSD trigger custom mounted to the old UD pulley:
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    Here is the ATI installed. Note the 3 bolt holes where the trigger ring will mount
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    You can kinda see in the pic I still need to move the pick-up about an inch towards you as the ATI has two belt grooves and the old UD pulley's outer belt groove was removed.

    Quote Originally Posted by cordes View Post
    I really hate how all of those little things add up.
    Yes they do! Got pretty far today... still lots to do...

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    That is looking good. I like how the ATI looks compared to the MSD wheel.
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Thanks. The ATI damper will be covered with the MSD wheel this week LOL

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Looking good JT. If you haven't already keyed the damper to the crank, it would be good to do it now. You don't need another headache down the road.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by glhs0426 View Post
    Yes, even as far as the same longblock. The differences were the accessories and intake manifold. The non-turbo used the same bare block except for the turbo drain not being machined. Same idea as the 2.2 Turbo vs. non-Turbo.
    No oil squirters for the pistons on the NA block either. Doesn't seem to make a bit of difference though. I wish I had the oil return port on the block, but having a return drilled into the oil pan works too.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by turbo2point2 View Post
    Looking good JT. If you haven't already keyed the damper to the crank, it would be good to do it now. You don't need another headache down the road.
    Thanks. ...and I didn't yet, was hoping the press would be enough? I'm guessing you keyed yours? Pics?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    Thanks. ...and I didn't yet, was hoping the press would be enough? I'm guessing you keyed yours? Pics?
    I keyed mine right after I first got it running. It rotated 20* on the dyno and of course threw the timing off. I'll see if I can get a pic of it. I drilled it undersize then used a 1/4" reamer and slid a .001" over dowel pin in. I did it on the car so even with you having the motor in, you should be able to do it fairly easily.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Here ya go...

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Awesome, thanks Brian! Did you use any fixture to line up the drilling or just your mad skillz?

    BTW... I realized after I asked that the BSX has a 2.2L bottom end? Which car is this in?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    Awesome, thanks Brian! Did you use any fixture to line up the drilling or just your mad skillz?

    BTW... I realized after I asked that the BSX has a 2.2L bottom end? Which car is this in?
    No fixture, just measured where I wanted the dowel to be and center punched it. Just took my time and made sure I was nice and straight. The damper was on the BSX until I broke the snout off of the crank.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    So mad skillz it is

    ooooh, I gotcha... so that pic of the timing sprocket includes the end of the crank that broke off? ouch.

    Whats on there now?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    No project is complete without having to fab something up... The ATI has two belt grooves where the old UD pulley had one (I had cut the outer one off on a lathe) so I needed to increase the reach of the sensor bracket... noticed it used to vibrate a tad so I added a rib for good measure
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    Yes, its made for the 2.4L so bolts/presses on like a stocker or any of the aftermarket pulleys. I have pics of the installation tool I made too, works awesome! Need to make into KC article...

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    i've heard that it tends to rotate, resulting in wrong ignition timing when having a trigger wheel on the crank.

    keyed mine also, but had the crank out and did it on a mill.
    http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/ph...ith_pulley.jpg

    i've also opened up the inside of the UD pulley a tad, so that it slides on easier and not having to use a puller every time.
    might also be possible on the ATI damper....maybe brian slowe knows

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Sweet pics JT Hopefully I can check it out in person soon

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Austrian Dodge View Post
    i've heard that it tends to rotate, resulting in wrong ignition timing when having a trigger wheel on the crank.

    keyed mine also, but had the crank out and did it on a mill.
    http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/ph...ith_pulley.jpg

    i've also opened up the inside of the UD pulley a tad, so that it slides on easier and not having to use a puller every time.
    might also be possible on the ATI damper....maybe brian slowe knows
    Thanks for the info/pic! Got some 1/4 dowels... waiting to pin it until after I get it running to make damn sure the trigger wheel is where I want it LOL!

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    Sweet pics JT Hopefully I can check it out in person soon
    Thanks, hope we can meet up too... and Ditto, I want to see the RWD monster!

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Can't you make base ignition offset adjustments in your software? I just checked mine with a timing light and adjusted the MS to match.....though being a stock crank sensor it was pretty much dead on.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by turboshad View Post
    Can't you make base ignition offset adjustments in your software? I just checked mine with a timing light and adjusted the MS to match.....though being a stock crank sensor it was pretty much dead on.
    Yes I can, but it still has to be within a certain range... minimum of 10° before your highest advance, etc... blah blah blah...

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Would have had ti running last night if I had oil pressure... The pump would just not prime... great *sigh* I knew the billet rotor felt a little loose OK, time to take it all back apart and put the powdered metal grenade back in, yay!

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    Would have had ti running last night if I had oil pressure... The pump would just not prime... great *sigh* I knew the billet rotor felt a little loose OK, time to take it all back apart and put the powdered metal grenade back in, yay!
    Is there any OE oil pump for a 2.4 with better construction? I know certain year non-turbo PT's used steel instead of powdered metal, but they are on intergallactic backorder.
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