.63 housing vs stock housing

[turbovanman²]

20-30 whp on just a turbo swap? wow.

I have no idea what stage wheel or any of the details because I haven't bought anything. Have you ran 20-30 whp difference before and after turbo swaps or just guessing?

Or more,

A popular hybrid is the T3/T4 turbo, 50 trim compessor wheel, stage II wheel and .63 housing.

If you just want a bit more and want a bolt on turbo, the S60 is a wicked street turbo.

[moparzrule]

Right Simon, I was being conservative with 20-30. I had a S70 on my daytona with .63 stage 1, about a 15 WHP increase at the same boost level over the stock T2 turbo. So a 50 trim with .63 stage 2 is gonna be more than that.

[john1320]

Ok, I had some issues with power fallout up top on my Daytona (rip).
It was running a stock garrett (T2 setup).

Due to the outstanding feedback, I have decided to order the .63 housing and have it thermal coated locally.

Thanks to all and of course, Simon

Will be going to dyno in a month, hoping for 250whp playing with fuel pressure on +20s, stock I/C.

Will post pics this week before engine goes back in.

[MiniMopar]

I have the S70 with a .63 housing and S1 turbine in the Daytona. It's laggy below 3000rpm, which took some getting used to on the street. I was used to the stock Garrett on the CSX, which spools like a Mitsu with a ported manifold and 3" exhaust.

I get a smooth spool up to 20psi by 4000rpm with the S70 and it pulls hard to cutout. I am thinking about going with TU's new manifold to see if it makes the spool up any quicker. I'm running an FM ported manifold right now, just like the CSX. I think the manifold is my cork at the moment.

[turbovanman²]

Ok, I had some issues with power fallout up top on my Daytona (rip).
It was running a stock garrett (T2 setup).

Due to the outstanding feedback, I have decided to order the .63 housing and have it thermal coated locally.

Thanks to all and of course, Simon

Will be going to dyno in a month, hoping for 250whp playing with fuel pressure on +20s, stock I/C.

Will post pics this week before engine goes back in.

250 WHP should be attainable, I got close with a crappy IC,

[moparzrule]

I have the S70 with a .63 housing and S1 turbine in the Daytona. It's laggy below 3000rpm, which took some getting used to on the street. I was used to the stock Garrett on the CSX, which spools like a Mitsu with a ported manifold and 3" exhaust.

I get a smooth spool up to 20psi by 4000rpm with the S70 and it pulls hard to cutout. I am thinking about going with TU's new manifold to see if it makes the spool up any quicker. I'm running an FM ported manifold right now, just like the CSX. I think the manifold is my cork at the moment.

Weird, I had 22 PSI at about 3200 RPM with my S70 from TU on my setup....G headed 2.2 which should be even laggier.
The FM manifold is some of your problem, they actually reduce spool. My manifold increased my spoolup by about 300 RPM over the FM unit I was running.

[MiniMopar]

Weird, I had 22 PSI at about 3200 RPM with my S70 from TU on my setup....G headed 2.2 which should be even laggier.
The FM manifold is some of your problem, they actually reduce spool. My manifold increased my spoolup by about 300 RPM over the FM unit I was running.

Thanks for that bit of info. It confirms what I am thinking. Does anyone know the status of the new cast TU manifold? I may go to a hybrid someday on this car (I think it really needs a 57trim or similar), so I'm thinking of doing a get-ahead by using the better TU-style manifold and get the oil/coolant lines and downpipe mods sorted out now.

[moparzrule]

Thanks for that bit of info. It confirms what I am thinking. Does anyone know the status of the new cast TU manifold? I may go to a hybrid someday on this car (I think it really needs a 57trim or similar), so I'm thinking of doing a get-ahead by using the better TU-style manifold and get the oil/coolant lines and downpipe mods sorted out now.

Well, looking at the FM manifold I was running is what got me into porting manifolds actually. I was looking at it one day, comparing it to a stocker, and thought well WTF I can port it a lot better than that myself LOL. But seriously, the flowbench test that Direct Connection did on the manifolds confirmed everything for my real world testing. The FM manifold actually has less flow than a stocker in some ports, I'm not sure how they even accomplished that.
The consensus is the Super 50 compressor wheel in a .50 A/R TO4E housing combined with a .63 stage 2 for a 2.2 and stage 3 for a 2.5 is about the best turbo you can use for these 8 valve engines up to 450 HP or so. Pretty much 300-450 WHP is a good range for it.

[MiniMopar]

Well, looking at the FM manifold I was running is what got me into porting manifolds actually. I was looking at it one day, comparing it to a stocker, and thought well WTF I can port it a lot better than that myself LOL. But seriously, the flowbench test that Direct Connection did on the manifolds confirmed everything for my real world testing. The FM manifold actually has less flow than a stocker in some ports, I'm not sure how they even accomplished that.

Hmm...well I'd like to think it flows better than stock overall, but who knows. It's hard for me to take flow bench results too seriously on a log style manifold when they are only flowing one port at a time. If I buy another ported stock log, I'll get one of yours.

The consensus is the Super 50 compressor wheel in a .50 A/R TO4E housing combined with a .63 stage 2 for a 2.2 and stage 3 for a 2.5 is about the best turbo you can use for these 8 valve engines up to 450 HP or so. Pretty much 300-450 WHP is a good range for it.

Super 50, thats what I was trying to think of. I've notice too that there are a lot of people that are happy with that hybrid setup. I have a ported intake, Steve M head, and triple core IC, so I know an E housing would be a great match. I went with the Super 70 strictly for packaging reasons and it was the biggest turbo that I could get in a T3 using a Chrysler housing. I had already exceeded my budget with the project and could not afford an expensive exhaust manifold.

[turbovanman²]

Chris is close with it being in production. There is a thread in his section about it,

[cordes]

Hmm...well I'd like to think it flows better than stock overall, but who knows. It's hard for me to take flow bench results too seriously on a log style manifold when they are only flowing one port at a time. If I buy another ported stock log, I'll get one of yours.



Super 50, thats what I was trying to think of. I've notice too that there are a lot of people that are happy with that hybrid setup. I have a ported intake, Steve M head, and triple core IC, so I know an E housing would be a great match. I went with the Super 70 strictly for packaging reasons and it was the biggest turbo that I could get in a T3 using a Chrysler housing. I had already exceeded my budget with the project and could not afford an expensive exhaust manifold.

Oh, yeah a Menegon head will love the S50 hybrid. Heck my setup which is probably a little behind yours in every aspect loves the regular 50 trim hybrid.

[Directconnection]

I think the manifold is my cork at the moment.

Should read: "I think my manifold is my cork soaker at the moment."

[jdizon]

I really like the .63 housing, especially in a 2.5. I honestly think that any decent setup would actually benefit from the larger housing since traction becomes such an issue so quickly. luxury home builders az

[elle bawdy]

+1
really wakes up a 2.5 after 4500 rpms

[Vigo]

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[Mike_Shepard]

Well I've got my car on the road again and SHAMWOW I get 20PSi at 2800 RPM then the clutch lets loose haha 63. stg 1 thanks guys

[Warren Stramer]

Speaking of hybrid turbo's, this will be for sale soon if anyone is interested, its a good unit, just not big enough anymore. I freshened it up last year and put about 20 runs on it since. 50 trim T04E, Chrysler flanged .63 AR stg.III. PM me if interested.