TM needs your engine setup info!

[Directconnection]

Many of you should have seen the newly implemented Knowledge Center by now. If not, scroll up to the top and check it out! In the never ending quest to expand the info for all of the forum members, we are hoping to add another section devoted soley to key areas of a particular engine combination to attain certain performance goals. (ie: whp or ET)

Lately, I myself, have read alot of threads where people are asking for advice on 250, 300, 350, etc whp goals. And while everyone tries to be very helpful, not everyone sees things eye to eye. So, with your help, if you can post present or past engine/drivetrain combos with ET and/or WHP results, that will be extremelly helpful as this will allow me and others to see the commonly agreed upon hardware for a particular output.

Feel free to list out your setups in detail, and also, please *DON'T FORGET* your raceweight, auto/stick, boost level and fuel setup along with BOOST vs. RPM info as well. (LAG etc..)

14 second ride... or 8 second ride... doesn't matter. We will all learn from this.

Also, please refrain from coulda/shoulda posts... I know even I have a few of those We need "factual data" KJS tm

[Directconnection]

Here's one that I will start with. It's an example that I have mentioned a few times. Sorry I have to put you through this.... 1990 VNT Shadow swap to
T-II.

* '90 VNT common block w/cast crank and stock bore mahles.
* Stock rods sized w/arps.
* Block line honed, decked a few thousandths just to clean up.
* 782 TBI head converted w/782 turbo hardware (stock valves/springs, etc) milled flat w/valve job and new guides. Porting by me with "ok" cfm gains (head had alot of core shift). MP gasket and bolts.
* '89 T-I cam and RP adjustable cam gear (the ones me and a friend used to make)
* Stock new melling oil pump w/block passage massaged
* '90 1-piece intake opened up to 52mm TB and using stock rail w/no mods. Manifold had the backs of the runners welded and the inner humps removed.
* T-II exhaust manifold ported by the new owner along with the 2-1/2" SW
* Full 3" mandrel exhaust... no cat. Straight through mufler.
* AFPR turned down to 49psi base.
* FWDP S5 3-bar cal. w/+40s.
* Stock T-II intercooler (blah... I know)
* 555 tranny w/posi insert
* S60 turbo (S60 compressor wheel, .63 A/R turbine housing)
* Stock ORIGINAL fuel pump.
* Pump gas 93 and stock ignition
* Turbo XS H BOV
* 46mm TB

Car was tuned on a Dynocom by the new owner and have been told by a few people that they report #s a bit lower than dynojets, etc.

Results: 20psi boost, 271 whp.

Full boost at 3,500 rpms.

Large NPR cooler install should be happening in the spring and this along with a couple more psi should easily put this combo over the 300whp mark (along with the 255lph they just picked up) Ooops... I made a shoulda/woulda!

[powermaxx]

Feel free to list out your setups in detail, and also, don't forget your raceweight, auto/stick, boost and fuel setup info as well.

14 second ride... or 8 second ride... doesn't matter. We will all learn from this.

KJS tm

Sounds good but if you're going to list specifics you really need "Altitude/Humidity/Temperature" as part of it. (Density altitude or Corrected altitude would be best. (I race at 5800ft actual but the corrected altitude is usually about 9000ft on a "Good" day.)


There's "Trial Software" for those who don't keep it handy unless you are always racing at "Sea Level" .)

[BadAssPerformance]

ENGINE (block/internals/bolt-ons)
'87 2.2L Turbo I Long Block out of Shelby Lancer (stock)
FM Steel Underdrive Pulley
BadAssPerformance Solid Front Motor Mount
DRIVETRAIN (Trans/Diff type/FD-ratio/axles/etc)
A-555 Transaxle (3.50:1) with OBX Torque Biasing Differential
'87 Equal length turbo axles
INDUCTION (head/intake/TB/IC/IC pipe size/bov/etc)
'87 2.2L Turbo II Head
'87 slider turbo cam (centerlined to stock makrs)
'87 2.2L Turbo II 2-pc intake (stock and not cut to fit 52mm TB)
52mm Throttle Body
1/8" plastic TB/intake spacer with slight bevel filed on it
BadAssPerformance Smooth Pipe Kit (IC to TB only, stock lower IC hose)
FM 2.5" pipe Powerstack Air Filter
'87 Daytona Shelby Z Radiator/Intercooler (Stock)
Turbonetics (Bosch) Street Blow Off Valve
BadAssPerformance (Grainger style) Boost Controller
TURBO & EXHAUST (turbo/exhasut pipe size/type/muffler
'87 2.2L Turbo II Exhaust manifold (stock)
'87 2.2L Turbo II Garret T03 Turbo (stock)
Stock 2.25" swingvalve into stock 2.25" downpipe
3" muffler shop bent system from downpipe to rear
3" Dynomax Race Magnum Oval Muffler - stock location
No converter
FUEL INJECTION (injectors/pump/regualtor/rail)
Mopar Performance 42#/hr (+20%) Fuel Injectors
DMS Adjustable Fuel pressure Regulator (Set to stock fuel pressue)
100 Octane Sunoco / Cam 2 Unleaded
ELECTRONICS & IGNITION (computer/cal/ignition)
Mopar Performance CSX Stage II Computer
Champion RN9YC Plugs (.035 gap)
Magnecor KV100 Race Ignition Wires
MSD 6-AL Box
MSD Blaster 3 Coil
CHASSIS & SUSPENSION (shocks/struts/springs/bars/etc)
Koni Struts & Shocks
Mopar Performance Road Race Springs
ROLLERS (wheels/tires)
23" M&H Racemaster Slicks
25" Moroso DS-2 Skinnies
Bogart 15x8" and 15x3.5" Drag-On-Fly Stars
WEIGHT REDUCTION (unbolted and/or cut-off)
Remove Power Steering Pump & Belt / Hoses looped together
Removed A/C components under the hood
BadAssPerformance 'Modified' Alternator Bracket
Removed Spare Tire
Removed charcoal canister

TRACK RESULTS
Best time@mph: 12.89 @ 104.5mph
Boost: 19psi (launch at 5000 rpm, full boost by 60' mark)
Race weight: ??? FULL Interior & FULL Exhaust
Track: Great Lakes Gragaway - Union Grove, WI (Altitude ???)
Temp: Approx 70*F
Barometer: ???

DYNO RESULTS
Dyno WHP: ???
Dyno WTQ: ???
Temp: ???
Barometer: ???

[Frank]

1991 Dodge Daytona Shelby

Stock Engine
Stock Intake Manifold and Exhaust Header
T3/T04E 50trim Turbo with T3 Cover
2.5" Large Swingvalve
3" Exhaust, no cat.
Cummins Intercooler
255l/hr pump
52lb/hr injectors with AFPR
413 tranny with extra clutches
RP SevereDuty TQ
RP Calibration
Slicks on Crab Wheels

13.08s@105mph at ~25psi.

Above was done at SDAC-13 under the previous owner, Andy.


Frank

[Directconnection]

Frank, you forgot to mention boost level.

Would like to see people post what rpm you see full boost at, as well. For the 2.2 car I posted about, it was approx. 3,500 I was told, but looking at the torque peak.... looks a bit higher possibly. I'll verify. See the dyno result here:

[ssheen]

88 Daytona Shelby Z 2.2L

Stock turbo
eBay FMIC
3" SV
3" Mandrel exhaust
Cone Filter
D-Valve
G-Valve MBC
No cat
Hooker Muffler
.20 over
Back cut valves / 3 angle
88 tbi cam
PT Lifters
Matched opened exhaust mani by me
Local shop mild port on the head
Underdrive pulley
Opened oil pick up
Cleaned up flow for water pump
RR adjustable cam gear - stock setting
AFPR - 54
Magnecor 8mm wires - with short coil wire
Crane Fireball coil
Modified AC 64 Spark Plugs
12 degrees timing
Crank Case Evac Kit

May 2006
Eval - ~2500FT
Dyno temp ~20+C
Dyno - 195whp / 213 wtq @ 10-11psi
Max Torque at ~2800RPM
Max WHP at ~5300RPM
No track times

April 2005 - Different dyno out of bus.
8 degree timing
Stock IC
No D-valve
@ 10 psi at 2750 rpm creeping to ~12psi at 4800rpm - 188WHP and 192Ft/Lbs
@ 10 psi at 2850 rpm creeping to ~12psi at 4900rpm - 190WHP and 192Ft/Lbs
@ 12+ psi at 2850 rpm creeping to ~13.8psi at 4500rpm - 198WHP and 196Ft/Lbs (overboostcutout )
@ 10 psi at 2900 rpm creeping to ~12+psi at 5250rpm - 180WHP and 170Ft/Lbs (not sure what changed)
@ 5 psi at 2750 rpm creeping to 8psi at 4750rpm - 135WHP and 140Ft/Lbs
@ 7 psi at 2750 rpm creeping to ~8psi at 4000rpm - 140WHP and 150Ft/Lbs

[crazy1eye]

1985 Dodge Shelby charger
2850lbs full interior, 3/4 tank gas & me

'88 T2 block .040" over
JE pistons
Sealed Power rings
Clevite 77 bearings
ARP bolts
FM steel underdrive pulley
stock oil pump matched to block
MP big valve G-head 190's/160's @ .500"
MP 005 head gasket
ARP studs
Taft S2 cam
Fidanza adj cam gear
modified 1 piece intake
52mm TB
large open air filter in front of the tranny
ported stock exhaust manifold
FM E3 turbo (50 trim/stage 3 exhaust)
2.5" swingvalve
3" exhaust, Dynomax Ultraflo muffler
custom made FMIC
Turbo XS RFL BOV
RP custom 3bar cal
'87 electronics (LM)
57pph Siemens injectors
modified stock T2 fuel rail
3/8" fuel line from tank to rail
5/16" return
Walbro HP 255 lph fuel pump
FM adj fuel psi regulator
Crane hi-6 ignition box
Crane LX92 coil
NGK BPR7ES @ .028"
Magnecor KV85 wires
Mopar cap & rotor
A555
custom made axles
MP autocross springs
Monroe Formula GP shocks
M&H 23" slicks on 6.5" crabs
pump gas, 94 octane
grainger valve (mbc)
21 psi
16° base timing

Only been to the track twice since '04, once at SDAC 14, I had oil spewing out the pcv because the oil restrictor was left out after machining & the second time at home which I had issues trying to run higher boost & didn't get a chance to really try for a better time in street trim, 21 psi, pump gas. Judging from what I've had the chance to play with on the hwy, I know the car is quick

12.6 @ 114mph (1/8 mile was crap) summer weather
312whp on a Dynapack dyno, summer weather
full boost @ 4400rpm

[johnl]

Great idea, and great data so far.

Easy for me to say - but - how about a checklist format that can be filled in so that no data point is overlooked and from set up to set up, each data point appears in the same place.

[Directconnection]

This isn't going to be the be all, end all. At this point, it is just data collection for a final revision and submission to the new Knowledge Center.


I think JT was on the right track with a format. Hopefully he can post a newly revised one that people can enter in their info.

[BadAssPerformance]

This isn't going to be the be all, end all. At this point, it is just data collection for a final revision and submission to the new Knowledge Center.

I think JT was on the right track with a format. Hopefully he can post a newly revised one that people can enter in their info.

Thanks... I got an idea, will post tonight.

[TurboGLH]

ENGINE (block/internals/bolt-ons)
Stock 2003 SRT-4 2.4l Turbo

DRIVETRAIN (Trans/Diff type/FD-ratio/axles/etc)
Stock T-850

INDUCTION (head/intake/TB/IC/IC pipe size/bov/etc)
QW Bar and plate large FMIC - 24"x12"x3.5", Stock head, Stock intake/exhaust manifolds, Stock TB, Stock IC piping (2.5") Mopar BOV plate

TURBO & EXHAUST (turbo/exhasut pipe size/type/muffler
Stock TD04, BDJ 3" Dump, 1 Resonator, no cat, no muffler

FUEL INJECTION (injectors/pump/regualtor/rail)
Stage 1 Injectors, 1/4" Return line, AEM 1:1 Regulator, 03' Fuel Rail, Walbro 255lph

ELECTRONICS & IGNITION (computer/cal/ignition)
Stage 1 Computer, Stock Ignition w/ 5.7l Hemi Plugs, Map Clamp (no more peak power, good under the curve gain)

CHASSIS & SUSPENSION (shocks/struts/springs/bars/etc)
Stock

ROLLERS (wheels/tires)
Stock

WEIGHT REDUCTION (unbolted and/or cut-off)
Ummm....Stock?

TRACK RESULTS
Best time@mph: XX.XX @ XX.XXmph
Boost: XXpsi
Race weight:
Track: (Altitude ???)
Temp:
Barometer:

DYNO RESULTS
Dyno WHP: 285
Dyno WTQ: 356
Temp: 63.05
Barometer: 30.05 in/hg

[Whorse]

Stock VNT Lebaron, all stock engine and transmission.

Mods:
Porsche 944 Intercooler
Cold Air Intake

no dyno numbers, but best time on a well used clutch and all season tires was 15.605 at 88.88mph.

[glhs875]

ENGINE (block/internals/bolt-ons)
'87 2.2L Turbo I Long Block out of GLHS
Underdrive Pulley
2.5 rods/JE pistons
custom windage tray
cast crank
DRIVETRAIN (Trans/Diff type/FD-ratio/axles/etc)
413 auto RMVB 4000 stall 8" converter
3.22 final drive
INDUCTION (head/intake/TB/IC/IC pipe size/bov/etc)
445 G head highly ported bigger than 655 casting ports
44mm intake 36.8mm exhaust valves
Taft S3 cam 7200 RPM shift point
ported 2 piece intake
52mm Throttle Body
custom intercooler 3" inlet/outlet
TURBO & EXHAUST
SC 6152 turbo
4" custom down pipe
4" exhaust
Dynomax muffler
FUEL INJECTION
Mopar Performance 42#/hr (+20%) Fuel Injectors Adjustable Fuel pressure Regulator
SMC progressive alky kit (105pph nozzle/15gph nozzle)
ELECTRONICS & IGNITION
custom 86 2 bar cal
MSD digital 6 box
CHASSIS & SUSPENSION
Stock suspension
weight reduction not sure how much
300 treadwear street radials (225/50/15)
TRACK RESULTS
Best time@mph: 8.33 @ 89.77mph (1/8th) 2.04- 60'
Boost:10psi at launch staged to 20psi
full boost 100 feet out
Race weight
Approx 2500lbs
Temp: 90deg +

[ShelGame]

With the right tune a near stocker can smear many of the big turbo cars we see on here....

On that note...

My '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker:

Engine:

Blueprinted/balanced bottom end with 0.04" over Mahles.
Crank is offset ground to equalize and maximize stroke (0.01" longer stroke)
Deck was machined just to clean it up
Head is all stock, blueprinted to equalize chamber cc's
TBI cam, set a 122* CL (stock)
Stock, unported intake manifold
Stock, ported exhaust manifold
Stock Mitsu turbo
+20 injectors
3-bar cal (my own custom cal)
Accufab AFPR (55psi base)
14* base timing
CR = 8.1:1 (not my target, just what it came out to)
2-1/2" downpipe that immediately flares to 3"
no cat, single 3" in, dual 2-1/2" outlet muffler, dumps just under back seat

Car:

Total car weight ~2650lb (w/o driver)
No P/Steering
No P/Brake
No A/C
No Windsheild wipers
Shadow front seats
Airbag delete
5gal Fuel cell (fuel tank delete)
Full interior

Trans:

Race prepped A413 auto, 3.05 final drive
Turbo Action RMVB
Un-equal axles
Phanton grip
22" slicks on 15 x 6.5 Crabs
"Drag race" front end alignment



Best ET was 13.77 at 97mph @ 18psi boost
At 15psi boost, it runs 14.1 ET
2.0x 60' times

Calcualted HP at 15psi ~200hp

[Directconnection]

It's simply a buildup guideline for those people who constantly are mis-construed. Not an exact "you need this" formula.

This is not much more than what I am sure you have done for people when they ask for buildup info. If this were true, then Turbonetics should stop posting their compressor maps as people are being let down that their turbo of choice will support "X" HP at "Y" boost.

Remember... just a simple collection of data.

[shadow88]

There have been a few set-ups, but I'll go with the 2 that have dyno #'s and track #'s for.

1st 88 non-cb 2.2l 0.030 over hyperutectic pistons.
K&N drop in filter
stock t2 turbo @18 psi
stock ic from 88 shelby daytona
52mm tb with enlarged 1 piece
super 60 cam in swirl head and back-cut valves with minor port matching
804 injectors
mildly ported t2 manifold
2 1/4" downpipe into 2 1/2" exhaust no cat
a-520 trans with centerforce clutch
no weight removed 88 shadow es
koni front struts
passenger battery and solid bobble strut
mopar turbo intercooled performance smec.

dyno 205 whp and 251 wtq at 18 psi
ran 14.0 at 98.9 mph. Best mph was 101 both on 205/50r15 bfg drag radials

current set-up.

same block and head
same weight
cold air intake with cone filter.
same turbo at about 21 psi
custom made intake and exhaust manifolds
srt-4 intercooler mounted up front and low
88 tbi cam
2.5" swingvalve and complete 2.5" exhaust with cut-out
+40 injectors afpr and 2 cold starts 255lph walbro in tank
socketed smec and 3 bar
shelby daytona springs cut 1 coil off front

dyno 262 whp and 337 wtq at 21-18 psi with cut-out removed
best 1/4 mile 13.4 @ 108 (not alot of traction in 1 and 2) same dr's

[86Shelby]

---shortblock---
'89 2.5
Balance shafts removed
Everything else was stock specs

---head---
stock 782 casting
fresh valvejob
'88 TBI camshaft

---intake---
stock TII 2 piece
stock throttlebody

---exhaust---
2.5" mandrel bent system
straight through magnaflow muffler
no catalytic converter
ported exhaust manifold

---turbo---
stock Garrett TII
2.25" swingvalve
large wastegate can

---fuel---
255 L/hr Walbro pump
52PPH (+40) injectors
adjustable regulator
92 octane pump gas

---engine management---
Mopar Performance GLHS StageII logic module
4* base ignition timing
16 PSI

---intercooler---
Stock GLHS

---transmission---
A-555, Phantom Grip LSD
TII/TIII clutch


---peak numbers---
WHP-- 200 ~5000 RPM
Torque--294 Ft/Lbs ~2700 RPM

EDIT:
I didn't need the +40s because of fuel demands. +20s did the job at 14 psi; I simply wanted to be able to raise the boost and not have to worry about running out of fuel. I do not remember offhand what the fuel pressure was; though it was a little lower than 55 psi to keep the O2 cycling at part throttle.
The base timing of 4* is not a typo. The MP GLHS spark curve was simply a little too hot, I had to dial the timing back to stay out of knock retard while on pump gas. A couple gallons of 110 mixed in solved all knock issues.
The turbo spools great. When in this state of tune 16 psi could be reached around 2300 rpm when in 5th gear. I never had to downshift on the highway to pass someone or go up a steep hill.

[Directconnection]

16psi and 200whp on a 2.5 that is essentially stock is very good. I don't understand the +40's being able to adapt yet give enough fuel for 16 psi... but it is working and I am learning something here...which is the purpose of this thread. BTW... 4 degrees base timing, or was that a typo for 14 degrees?

Also... interested to know how the Garrett spools on a 2.5.

Thanks to everyone sofar for posting! Keep 'em coming!

[GLHS592]

My setup is on my Cardomain page (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/267451/2 - at the bottom) if you are interested. It hasn't realized its full potential yet. I'm pretty pleased that it ran the 12.53 on around 15-16 psi. It ran a 10 psi 8.51 (1/8 mile) on its very first pass at the track.