Manual rack options for 2 door L body
Looking for a manual rack for my car. Is there anything out there newer that would work? Neon rack or even newer? I'd settle for something outside our make if it works. Need to replace the one I've got since I'm not running power steering anymore, tired of muscling it on road courses.
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Pity, I just gave two away for change a few months ago, one was reman.
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Well interested in seeing what other racks will directly mount, although not opposed to running the stock rack.
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I had the stock one with lines looped in my Omni. I had 205 Dunlop direzza z2 tires with 200 treadwear. Pretty sticky but it was still manageable.
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I think the Omni manual rack is still used in a lot of conversions for older cars. I would think that tracking one down wouldn't be too difficult.
On the other hand, have you considered what the ratio change in the rack will do to your steering wheel movement? It's going to be a huge difference going from the quick ratio rack to a manual one. Having seen a few videos of you in car while on course, I would think that would be something you would want to think about given your style of driving.
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I'd drive with power steering on a road course, all F1 cars have power steering and 24 hours of Le Mans car uses power steering as well.
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Alfa Romeo 4c has manual steering.
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Doing the looped lines now, would prefer a manual rack. Had too many issues with leaks regularly, unrelated to the header I'm running. But I did have a leak one time that almost caused a fire and on a road course the manual steering is easy to manipulate.
Cordes, not sure about the ratio, was hoping the sites would identify that and I don't know what ratio I have in the car now, so it may not be different since I replaced the stock unit.
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What about converting to hydro electric?
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thedon809
What about converting to hydro electric?
Not sure about that, but I did see an electric assist setup from the Pontiac Ion (or other small car) that is placed in between the column and the rack. I could go for something like that for sure. Will do the manual rack for now and plan for that in the future.
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minigts
Not sure about that, but I did see an electric assist setup from the Pontiac Ion (or other small car) that is placed in between the column and the rack. I could go for something like that for sure. MY do the manual rack for now and plan for that in the future.
I've thought of those also but not sure on how much space is needed.
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I double checked myself, and it seems like my memory was correct. The stock rack should be 14:1 and the manual rack is 22:1. That's is a huge difference indeed.
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keep the fast ratio power rack and add an electric pump
grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/list-of-cars-with-electric-power-steering-pumps/76956/page1/
good thread ^ , link works if you copy/paste
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cordes
I double checked myself, and it seems like my memory was correct. The stock rack should be 14:1 and the manual rack is 22:1. That's is a huge difference indeed.
Do you know the lock-to-lock for the power and the manual? I see one on Rock Auto that is 3.63 for the manual, the power is 3.13. Not sure what is in the GLHS right now.
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Dr. Johny Dodge
keep the fast ratio power rack and add an electric pump
grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/list-of-cars-with-electric-power-steering-pumps/76956/page1/
good thread ^ , link works if you copy/paste
Good stuff! Would like to do electric only at some point, glad to see there are a number of cars that are going to the electric assist for options.
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lost for the time being in the thousand shortcuts saved in my 2.2 file was a place here in toronto that sells "parts for electric cars" - they had either an electric power steering or brake pump
I can't remember off hand which now but it was about 7 hun
thinking it was a PS pump because an image of a pump with a canister style reservoir on top comes to mind now - something that looked like it could fit easily in the firewall / strut tower corner where the PS pump is now - so plumbing might be easy too
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You can get LX electric pump for about $400 used. They run $900 new.
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Jon, the fast ratio L-body racks (out of vehicle) were between 2.25 & 2.4 turns lock to lock depending on TRW or Saginaw. Many times the lock to lock will be different in the car vs. out of car due to the steering stops built into either the rack or the knuckles.
Todd
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4 l-bodies
Jon, the fast ratio L-body racks (out of vehicle) were between 2.25 & 2.4 turns lock to lock depending on TRW or Saginaw. Many times the lock to lock will be different in the car vs. out of car due to the steering stops built into either the rack or the knuckles.
Todd
Great information and always. Thanks Todd! A question I have now as I think about buying tie rods, any way to ID the different racks? TRW or Saginaw. How do you tell the difference? Noticed the inner tie rod ends look different in design.
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I think there is also a manual Neon rack that should also be adaptable. I think looked into this a long time ago and I think I posted about it.
-Rich
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rbryant
I think there is also a manual Neon rack that should also be adaptable. I think looked into this a long time ago and I think I posted about it.
-Rich
Do you happen to know the ratio for that rack? Guessing the one I am running will still be the best ratio.