Re: TIII swap into a daytona
I believe you will probably need the TIII harness and SBEC. There are a lot off differences between a TII and TIII setup wiring/ecu wise from what I have read.
Re: TIII swap into a daytona
Depends which way your doing it. Are you using the 2.2 TIII engine, your original 2.2 block and TIII head or newer 2.2/2.5 CB and TIII head? Are you going 2.2 or 2.5L?
Re: TIII swap into a daytona
You will need the manifolds. There other options then putting the TIII harness and SBEC, you can add a distributor and use a SMEC.
Re: TIII swap into a daytona
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Originally Posted by turbovanman
Depends which way your doing it. Are you using the 2.2 TIII engine, your original 2.2 block and TIII head or newer 2.2/2.5 CB and TIII head? Are you going 2.2 or 2.5L?
I was going to use an original TIII block, which was a 2.2 right? Or I guess find a 2.2 common block
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Originally Posted by banger68
You will need the manifolds. There other options then putting the TIII harness and SBEC, you can add a distributor and use a SMEC.
thanks
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Originally Posted by 1986_turbo_z
I was going to use an original TIII block, which was a 2.2 right? Or I guess find a 2.2 common block
If you use the original TIII engine, you will need manifolds, p/s pump and bracket, all the pulleys, idlers. Some have bypassed the a/c as the belt runs all the accessories sure not sure on that. After that, you have 2 choices, run a distributor off the head and run your stock electronics and have the cal done or run the TIII stuff. If you run the TIII stuff, you will need to run the original A568 trans so you can use the crank sensor otherwise you will need to retrofit one to your trans. If you go stock comp, you won't need to do this.
If you run the 2.2 CB, it needs to be modded.
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Another option for the electronics side of this is megasquirt&spark. I've been talking with a few people that are very familiar with it. It doesn't appear to be too terribly difficult to use a crank trigger and the stock coil pack. Or use a Ford EDIS coil pack, then there's many more aftermarket options. Most likely it would be easier to do the fueling batch fire style, instead of sequential like stock TIII. Fabing up a pickup bracket and modifying the pulley would be the most difficult fabrication involved.
Trying to use the stock cam/crank sensors and signals seemed like it would be quite a bit more intensive on the programming side, and all you could really gain is sequential injector firing.
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Originally Posted by 86Shelby
Another option for the electronics side of this is megasquirt&spark. I've been talking with a few people that are very familiar with it. It doesn't appear to be too terribly difficult to use a crank trigger and the stock coil pack. Or use a Ford EDIS coil pack, then there's many more aftermarket options. Most likely it would be easier to do the fueling batch fire style, instead of sequential like stock TIII. Fabing up a pickup bracket and modifying the pulley would be the most difficult fabrication involved.
Trying to use the stock cam/crank sensors and signals seemed like it would be quite a bit more intensive on the programming side, and all you could really gain is sequential injector firing.
Another good idea.
Re: TIII swap into a daytona
I'm pretty sure that if you use 8v 2.2/2.5 pistons, you'll have high compression issues with the T-II head. You'll need pistons with the right dish to keep compression under control.
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Originally Posted by Pat
I'm pretty sure that if you use 8v 2.2/2.5 pistons, you'll have high compression issues with the T-II head. You'll need pistons with the right dish to keep compression under control.
Huh? If you use 2.2/2.5 pistons with a TIII engine, you get low compression, I think around 7:1 as there deeply dished. If you use TIII pistons with an 8 valve head, you get around 9:5:1 or more due to the lack of dish. TIII pistons are more flat top.
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so I am assuming I need TIII pistons?
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Originally Posted by 1986_turbo_z
so I am assuming I need TIII pistons?
You are correct sir, :nod:
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Originally Posted by turbovanman
Huh? If you use 2.2/2.5 pistons with a TIII engine, you get low compression, I think around 7:1 as there deeply dished. If you use TIII pistons with an 8 valve head, you get around 9:5:1 or more due to the lack of dish. TIII pistons are more flat top.
You're right...I had it mixed up!
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Originally Posted by Pat
You're right...I had it mixed up!
:lol: :lol: :thumb:
Re: TIII swap into a daytona
I believe Cindy at FWD Performance, just completed doing a TIII swap into a 86 Turbo Z. I think she used all Stock TIII parts and electronics from a Spirit R/T.
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Let's do a Neon swap my Son, I will guide you along the path
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Originally Posted by Garret
Let's do a Neon swap my Son, I will guide you along the path
I might do that instead, I just found a 89 2.5 common block for cheap:thumb:
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I can give you a parts list and a place to get them from. Next time I'm in the peg I'll give ya call and we can chat about it, or shoot me an email and we'll figure out exactly how you wanna do it :) I learned a few things to keep the swap as cost effective as possible. I did mine including a rebuilt bottom end from Corey for 1200
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Originally Posted by 1986_turbo_z
I might do that instead, I just found a 89 2.5 common block for cheap:thumb:
I think he means the complete 2.4L engine, :confused: :p