WOW! A decent SRT-4 header!!!

[Frank]

http://www.amsperformance.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=1200

I think I know who I am going to use for my 2.4L Shadow! Very nice setup! I will just need them to make it work for a normal neon head.


Frank

[8valves]

Martin at AMS can't even hire enough people to keep up with demand for their headers right now, they're hugely popular in the Evo/dsm world.

If you really want one like that I'm sure I could suit your needs :)

AM

[Frank]

Well you can be sure I will hit you up when I get closer.


Frank

[BadAssPerformance]

What other headers are out there "off the shelf" for the 2.4L? Anyone got pics of the Forward Motion one? Any others out there?

[Frank]

There is the AGP (casted unit) and the Hahn racecraft one. Both are log style. The Hahn is a much nicer unit.


Frank

[BadAssPerformance]

I beleive FM's is equal length... want to see pics.

[Frank]

AGP
http://www.turboneonstore.com/product_image.php?imageid=171

Hahn
http://www.modernperformance.com/dcx/srt_hrc_turbokit_mani2.jpg

Now AGP is supposidly out with a non cast header, however I can't find any pics. In addition, the flange for the Hahn setup is designed for the 15G and 16G mitsu turbos. I am sure you can order it from Hahn with a T3 flange.

I have never seen the FM header.

[BadAssPerformance]

Hahn and AMS are both local so i might have to stop by and talk to them.

Really want to see the FM header. Might have to go chill on SRTForums.

[DodgeZ]

Now AGP is supposidly out with a non cast header, however I can't find any pics.

I'll take one when I get home.

[DodgeZ]

http://www.turbochargers.com/Images/tccmani_01.jpg

http://www.slowboyracing.com/img/sbr%20srt%20manifold.jpg

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Catalog%20Images/nsrt/vsrt007-01.jpg

[TurboGLH]

AGP
http://www.turboneonstore.com/product_image.php?imageid=171

Hahn
http://www.modernperformance.com/dcx/srt_hrc_turbokit_mani2.jpg

Now AGP is supposidly out with a non cast header, however I can't find any pics. In addition, the flange for the Hahn setup is designed for the 15G and 16G mitsu turbos. I am sure you can order it from Hahn with a T3 flange.

I have never seen the FM header.

The non-cast unit was out first, they discontinued it for their new cast one. Also the Hahn unit uses standard t3 flange with their mitu's. They use turbine housings based on the syclone/typhoon 17c that used a standard t3 flange instead of the mitus standard flange.

[Garret]

Wow a 1000 dollars for a header. Ridiculous but most guys who modify SRT-4s have money lol

[Frank]

Ahh gotcha. Well I think the equal length above is awesome.

[Birddog]

The first equal length is flippin nice, making me re-think the log I got now....

[WVRampage]

thats a nice looking header,but why are there so many log headers and not equal length ones?Is it just the price and ease of production?

[DodgeZ]

thats a nice looking header,but why are there so many log headers and not equal length ones?Is it just the price and ease of production?

because you can easily make over 500whp with the log.

[Ubmbass]

What about people who want to make more than 500 LOL.

8 valves, what kind of things can you provide? You have some info on your header? maybe some pics? how about a nice intake? let me know, thanks.

[turbovanman²]

Kinetic makes a dual purpose header, fits both old and new heads. Will try to find pics as they were here but got lost during The Great Crash of 2006, :lol:

That first header is unreal, damn, :thumb:

[dodge80_89]

http://www.turbochargers.com/Images/tccmani_01.jpg

http://www.slowboyracing.com/img/sbr%20srt%20manifold.jpg

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Catalog%20Images/nsrt/vsrt007-01.jpg


The second picture is the one I'm planning on getting from Slow Boy for my car. I going to be running a holset without the internal wastegate. Just need to wait till my engine gets assembled finally.

DodgeZ where on the turbochargers website did you find the pic of the first manifold. I can't seem to find it, wondering how much it is.

[8valves]

Here is one we made... top mounted T72 stuffed into an Integra chassis next to an H22.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/h22turboteg/908f8577.jpg

I'm working on a plenum piece to go with a two piece lower right now.

AM

[Ondonti]

This is apparently an r/t ernie srt-4 manifold. Looks sorta funny in the pictures.....I think its because of some shading.
t66 P trim .83 a/r on there. Local srt guy decided 11.4 on his stage 3 was too slow.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/jstaneon/DSC_1116.jpg

[DodgeZ]

I don't understand why he stuck the wastegate on that side???

[turbovanman²]

I don't understand why he stuck the wastegate on that side???


My guess is more room and it wont' hit the right strut tower?

[DodgeZ]

My guess is more room and it wont' hit the right strut tower?


http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m68/daemion_af/IMG_0307.jpg

it is right where the CAI goes :confused: there is alot of room on the other side.

[turbovanman²]

Hmmmmmm, interesting. Holy nitrous batman, :wow1:

[bansheenut420]

This is apparently an r/t ernie srt-4 manifold. Looks sorta funny in the pictures.....I think its because of some shading.
t66 P trim .83 a/r on there. Local srt guy decided 11.4 on his stage 3 was too slow.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/jstaneon/DSC_1116.jpg

Now thats a nice header! I can't wait to see that thing run next season! :thumb:

[DodgeZ]

Hmmmmmm, interesting. Holy nitrous batman, :wow1:



That's just the way I roll!

[turboweasel]

I don't understand why he stuck the wastegate on that side???

The coolant over flow tank is on the other side and also about the intake, the turbo is about 6" lower than a stock or most of the other kits for the srt out there. I don't see a cold air intake working on that setup but thats me.

And for one i have seen the header Aaron put up in person and its top notch and the integra it is on is one of the nicest hondas i have ever seen not come from a big name shop.

Rob

[DodgeZ]

yeah the other turbo kits move the overflow. You can see mine in the button right of my picture. The waste is in the way of it stock. Once you move it there is a lot of room on that side. I'd also say that header prolly needs the overflow tank moved as it sticks up and out pretty far.

[Scott]

what about...

http://www.ultimate-racing.com/Products2/NeonSRT-4/srt-4-turbo-manifold1.jpg

[BadAssPerformance]

what about...


Who sells that header?

[Scott]

http://www.ultimate-racing.com

not bad...i concidered it, but they never responded to my emails about dimensions (firewall clearance).

[DodgeZ]

http://www.ultimate-racing.com

not bad...i concidered it, but they never responded to my emails about dimensions (firewall clearance).

I'd also ask them why they don't sell stuff for the 03 srt only 04-05......

[BadAssPerformance]

Another header...

http://xtremeboost.com/cubecart/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=23

http://xtremeboost.com/cubecart/images/uploads/srt_turbo_kit.jpg

[BadAssPerformance]

XtremeBoost
http://images6.theimagehosting.com/25z1gtd.th.jpg (http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=25z1gtd.jpg)

http://images6.theimagehosting.com/25z1jza.th.jpg (http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=25z1jza.jpg)

[BadAssPerformance]

RT Ernie (Horsepowerfreaks.com)

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/cowboychuckie/RTErniepics002.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/cowboychuckie/RTErniepics005.jpg

http://www.project-neon.com/PN2006/10162006001.jpg

[BadAssPerformance]

Anyone have any more? any opinions on these?

[Frank]

The wastegate dump tube is horribly placed....

Also, if you can due to room etc, there should always be a short tube after the merge collector to smooth out the flow. In addition, if possible, the collector should always be a burns stainless collector for perfect volume merge.

http://www.users.qwest.net/~be9/images/DSC03063.JPG

[BadAssPerformance]

The wastegate dump tube is horribly placed....

Also, if you can due to room etc, there should always be a short tube after the merge collector to smooth out the flow. In addition, if possible, the collector should always be a burns stainless collector for perfect volume merge.

http://www.users.qwest.net/~be9/images/DSC03063.JPG

Is that a 2.4L header? Only think i dont like about it is there is a straight shot to the wastegate and the turbo is on the elbow. Obvioulsy for packaging but not cool imho.

[Frank]

Its for a Honda. As for the wastegate, the wastegate is a restriction, it creates backup of pressure. The air is drawn towards the turbo. Its all good. This guy ran mid 10's on 15psi.

[BadAssPerformance]

I know what yer sayin' but still not prefered in my book. Mid tens in a sub 2000# car should be easy on 15psi ;)

What do you think about the Xtreme Boost one Frank?

[Frank]

While its not prefered in your book, it is way better then any header that has its waste gate tube off of a home made collector. Home made collectors are almost never have proper volume transitions. When you add a wastegate dump to it, it worsens it. Yes wastegate tubes always add volume, but when you add it to an area where flow is already unstable, it isnt wise. Hence why I prefer the other header and actually prefer internal wastegates even more.

So I would say I don't like the XtremeBoost one.

[Frank]

Oh and that one is even worse because the dump tube requires air to make a 120-160 degree turn for the air.


Frank

[BadAssPerformance]

I agree on everything of the honda header except the WG tube. If you're gonna make a cool header, why not go all the way?

So out of the SRT4 headers, which do you think is best?

[Frank]

The best is the AMS one. Less of all the evils. It would be the only equal length I would buy actually buy. If I couldnt get one like the AMS, then I would go with the Hahn log. I like the AMS one because it puts the turbo on the top in a very easy to work on fashion and doesn't have no where near as bad of merge collector.

If someone were to build one of these, the best way to do it is like the AMS, but use the following merge collector.
http://www.burnsstainless.com/MergeCollectors/01100022.jpg

[Speedeuphoria]

What do you think about the Xtreme Boost one?

All I know is that I tried to buy some Pauter rods from them and they would never take my money or get back w/ me so be catuious

[BadAssPerformance]

All I know is that I tried to buy some Pauter rods from them and they would never take my money or get back w/ me so be catuious

Thanks for the warning... I guess that is better than taking your money and not shipping tho.

[8valves]

Frank, I'll be back to reply to this later with some thoughts/ideas. I have to drive home from school in a couple minutes (3 hour drive), but I have some points to bring up that I'd like to hear your input on. So check back later on.

[Frank]

I look forward to it. Oh and sweet avatar... makes me chuckle!

[BadAssPerformance]

More pics of the AMS header & kit ... made 792hp 650tq.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f87/focusonthese/2.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f87/focusonthese/4.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f87/focusonthese/AMSTurboKit002.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f87/focusonthese/1.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f87/focusonthese/3.jpg

[Frank]

Thats about as good as it is going to get. It would be nice to see a burns collector on there, but I think the way the made their collector the gains would be minimal.

[BadAssPerformance]

I'll have to get over to AMS sometime, they are close to my house.

Xtremeboost says during development they made several headers with different runner length and dyno tested them to find out which one spooled the quikest.

Waiting on pics of the FM header which is my original choice since I have other stuff I'll be buying from Mike anyways...

[Frank]

I hear ya. I am sure people have seen gains with even the worse designed one, but if I am going to spend that much money on my 2.4L race car, I want it a certain way.


Frank

[cordes]

Wow, that AMS unit does look nice for sure.

[turbovanman²]

That AMS unit is stunning, its a waste to actually use it, :lol:

[8valves]

The problem with burns collectors is that they're just stainless steel, not thick wall schedule 10, which is what AMS and all the other big name header builders for turbo cars (less domestic appliations like BBC's and such). It's much more suited for the heat and abusive harmonics that high rpm four cylinder produce that like to shake and crack things apart.

I'd like to know what you're referrencing towards about the volume correct collectors. I've got a Shearer fabrications top mount for our race car DSM that is a fully divided equal length pulse manifold that pulls one wastegate off each divided collector, just as you say is bad for turbulence. I can guarentee you that the quality of the merge in both the Shearer, Full Race products, Love Fab headers, etc are just as good as a Burns piece. It looks difficult, but a degree wheel'd chop saw works wonders with a nice jig for it. This I know for a fact.

While I agree on the wastegate positioning not being optimal off the collector, I disagree whole-heartedly that an internal is a better situation. They have less overall control of big turbos in high boost applications, and it's pulling wastegate gasses right from the turbine volute as it's supposed to be accelerating the wheel!!!

I wouldn't mind a wastegate that pulls from individual primaries instead of the collector, but this prevents and even GREATER worry to me. If you're not on a standalone capable of cylinder-cylinder tuning, then how do you compensate for the two cylinders that now don't have a turbine wheel to provide a pressure in that runner? All of a sudden you have two cylinders trying to primarily support the shaft speed you need, and you have two other cylinders that are free flowing like an NA car. Can you say unstable combustion events? You're going to have two cylinders that act totally different than the other two, and without individual EGT's and AFR's for those two holes... you'd have no idea.

Thus you're back to pulling off the collector, which, is what every top manufacturer of headers does, unless they prioritize wastegate flow rather than turbine flow such as the sidewinder headers... it's a theory I'd love to experiment on an AWD car that could benefit from a broader powerband, not a FWD car that with more bottom end grunt is just going to spin it's tires harder.

For reference, I will take some pictures of my brothers header (the DSM race car) that is an engineer's dream for efficiency. You think 10's on 15 psi is impressive? How about a car that makes 580 AWHP at only 19.6 psi on a GT4202R... something you know doesn't get real happy until 30+ psi. From our calcualtions the car has UNDER 1:1 pressure ratio intake/exhaust.

Not only that, but with hellacious cams for 6000+ range only power (it idles at 1800 rpms to give you an idea) the wastegate's are fully open by 5500 rpms, running just wastegate spring pressure too! Once the AEM solenoid is operating the gates you'll see it drop by another 200 or so RPM.

The design of this particular header is quite similar to what I have cooking up, if that gets your hopes up at all :)

EDIT: I just had to add- my fingers now hurt. Time to go party a little and keep up that college spirit! I'll check back later on, let me know what you all think.

[8valves]

Alright, had all my fun last night and nobody got back to this... c'mon now! Tear into it, see what you can pick apart and let the discussions begin!

[Frank]

Sorry. ;)


I think we are mostly on the same page Aaron, just missing each other somewhat due to the way we explain and lack of pictures.... stupid internet.

The only way I will use an external waste gate, is if it is connected to the header off of a short secondary runner that goes between the turbo and the collector. Stabilizing the flow is key from the collector. Or we do what the AMS header does about... which is to have a dual pipe swingvalve flange, where it is an external setup, but uses the hole on the exhaust housing. Any other methods requires flow reversal or flow falling on its face in the collector.

My infatuation of the burns collector is mainly because of how well the collector is build and properly sized. The AMS's collector is as close as your are going to get to a properly built collector with out buying a predone one.



Frank

[DodgeZ]

I think you guys are wasting your time and money. They are making over 500whp on the "crappy" log manifolds. Do you really plan on needing more then that? do you? IMO this is one of those things where money is better spent elsewhere. It if funny that the "good" header is on the high horsepower "dyno queen" which isn't good for nothing but dynos (right frank?). I could understand if you where in a class where you could only mod certain things on the car and the header was one of them. But when there are many more options to make the extra power why waste the time and money? Looks cool but do spinners, bling bling yo.

[BadAssPerformance]

I agree with Kevin on the "how much better could it possibly be" comments for sure.

AMS definitely knows how to make whp with their setup, and their header looks really nice, made out of thick wall 316SS, etc. Plus, it is easier to make more power elsewhere with the header being as good as possible.

The real question is how much better is it than the other manifolds that cost half as much?

And by other manifolds I mean equal length runner tubes, I am not a fan of a log manifold at all...

[turbo2point2]

Interesting discussion between this thread and the other one about header preferences. Just wanted to chime in with my current turbo header project. I am building one for my Shadow over the winter. I have most of the pieces needed for completion except a stainless flange for the head :( I have tried to order one, but the company has yet to get back to me.

[Frank]

Dude, that is an awesome looking collector.

[rdnoel86]

Hi,
I hope I'm not going off topic, but does anyone have any opinions on the new DCR twin turbo manifold? I am waiting to see some numbers on cost and dyno numbers but it does look intriguing from the aspect of quick spooling and using 2 inexspensive(per say) turbos. I was always under the impression that a 4 cylinder didn't push enough air to run 2 turbo's, unless their in series with each other. I haven't been able to figure out how to get the pic up yet....I'll keep working on it, but I'm sure someone else can post it from DCR's page. Thanx

[8valves]

I think you guys are wasting your time and money. They are making over 500whp on the "crappy" log manifolds. Do you really plan on needing more then that? do you? IMO this is one of those things where money is better spent elsewhere. It if funny that the "good" header is on the high horsepower "dyno queen" which isn't good for nothing but dynos (right frank?). I could understand if you where in a class where you could only mod certain things on the car and the header was one of them. But when there are many more options to make the extra power why waste the time and money? Looks cool but do spinners, bling bling yo.

I wholeheartedly disagree. That's like the old statement that a 52MM TB is big enough for anyone, and that the stock intakes can go 10's so why would you use anything else.

500 WHP is great... but doesn't do a whole lot of good if the car is pushing 35+ psi to force air through a restrictive header. Go put a log manifold on the SRT4 being built by AMS right now and I bet you'd see it lose over 100 WHP, instantly. The pressure ratio will all of a sudden go through the roof, and that pressure ratio is what allows the creation of more power.

You're also speaking in reference from the SRT4 world of them making good power on logs... that's great, except most people don't have an 8V head that comes close to a stock multi-valve. Therefor, and I will stand by this till I see it disproven, I don't forsee an 8V car making over the 500 WHP barrier without the aid of nitrous on a log header.

I do plan on needing more than 500 WHP. Why? Maybe don't look at the number so much but think about how you're getting there. I'd be more than happy to drop boost and stay at the same power I was before a certain mod. With the intake manifold, small head changes, IC setup and some mre porting on my old TU header I picked up 35 WHP all while dropping a full point of AFR's, and at 4 psi less boost. That's what I go for.

On top of that, I will stand here loud, but not entirely proud, that I am an avid street racer, and highway pulls are the name of our game. When you live in the metro-Detroit area a 120 mph car is MAYBE mid pack, maybe. To run with any of the solid cars you're talking 130-145 mph. Some of the faster are in the 160's.

Yes I know I will never be the fastest, but to push an old chassis and drivetrain this far gains more respect from the guys that are a fender ahead of you than being 2 cars in front with a car that SHOULD be 2 cars in front. I enjoy it, and I will continue to do so until I grow up I suppose.

The point is more so that this is the next step for most of the fast 8V guys out there. The amount of people springing up with new header setups shows this... 2 years ago nobody was running anything but factory manifolds, both intake and exhaust, now we've got people making fire extinguisher's into plenums! Creative? Certainly, and while I may not agree with the methods, at least people are trying to push the envelope.

I remember when GT turbos were reffered to be needed only by "Gold-Chainer's". Guess I've been part of club bling for a while now and others are following suit. I love it, this sholw platform is making leaps and bounds in the past year, and it isn't going to stop yet.

I know I've strayed away from topic a bit, but something I continue to keep in the back of my mind when people, including myself, just say switch to a 16V and be done is that the quickest and fastest 1/4 mile cars on the planet are all 2 valve heads too... I guess it gives people something to shoot for. :D

Frank- I think you'll be very pleased with what we come up with for a header, keep your eyes peeled for the next month or so.

[8valves]

Brian- divided tang T4 eh? Sounds like someone is stepping up quite a bit, good to see! The divided collectors are SO much easier for welding puposes.

[DodgeZ]

I was talking about the SRTs. If you are trying to push 500whp or more on a 8 valve you'll need all the help you can get. You remind me of Steve Calders (sp?) He is about making lots of power at lower boost also. I think it really comes done to how much money you have. SRT's run 155 right out of the box ;) I've gotten a couple of the street racing 400-500 dollar tickets and lots of points. It isn't worth it to me. I'll save it for the track and put my dollars in to traction mods and reliably.

[DodgeZ]

look at this while we are talking about manifolds

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316848

[rdnoel86]

This one too!

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316842

:D :thumb: :eyebrows:

[8valves]

I'm guessing by the smiley you realize I'm talking about trap speeds, if not I figured I would reiterate that fact when I'm talking about MPH indications.

I'm visiting the GF right now who only has dial up, so I'm trying to check out that link. Although, SRTforums makes my head spin sometimes... I wish some of the guys that are fortunate enough to have one of those would just donate it to me instead of paying people to have a CAI installed... or a BOV installed on one ;)

AM

[turbo2point2]

"Brian- divided tang T4 eh? Sounds like someone is stepping up quite a bit, good to see! The divided collectors are SO much easier for welding puposes."

Yep, I decided to make the upgrade after the traction upgrades seemed to work so well. I didnt want to make any more power if I couldn't use what I already had!! The divided collector was easy to weld, stainless rocks!!

[turboweasel]

I'm guessing by the smiley you realize I'm talking about trap speeds, if not I figured I would reiterate that fact when I'm talking about MPH indications.

I'm visiting the GF right now who only has dial up, so I'm trying to check out that link. Although, SRTforums makes my head spin sometimes... I wish some of the guys that are fortunate enough to have one of those would just donate it to me instead of paying people to have a CAI installed... or a BOV installed on one ;)

AM

You almost have one it sits in the drive way and you know were the keys are. And as you know i don't pay people to get anything done on it;)
Rob

[DodgeZ]

I'm guessing by the smiley you realize I'm talking about trap speeds, if not I figured I would reiterate that fact when I'm talking about MPH indications.

I'm visiting the GF right now who only has dial up, so I'm trying to check out that link. Although, SRTforums makes my head spin sometimes... I wish some of the guys that are fortunate enough to have one of those would just donate it to me instead of paying people to have a CAI installed... or a BOV installed on one ;)

AM

No I wasn't sure what you where talking about, the 160 got me. You race cars on the highway that trap 160 in the 1/4? You are going to die. :D

[8valves]

No I wasn't sure what you where talking about, the 160 got me. You race cars on the highway that trap 160 in the 1/4? You are going to die. :D

Some of the stronger guys right now are the twin'd LS1 or LS2 cars. A particular Firebird used to go 8.88 @ 156 on twin 35R's, and is now on twin 40's. People are serious up here.

I know the car will never be there, but 500 WHP should do wonders and push nearly 140 traps by my math in a 2500 lb w/ driver car.

Brian, any particular choice yet on the turbo? If you're undecided still and are maybe looking for a slightly cheaper alternative I have a Borg Warner S300 series in the basement that we were going to use on my brother's truck. If you're interested I can get you some more info on it.

[Directconnection]

Go put a log manifold on the SRT4 being built by AMS right now and I bet you'd see it lose over 100 WHP, instantly. The pressure ratio will all of a sudden go through the roof, and that pressure ratio is what allows the creation of more power.


100whp on a 500whp car?

The pressure ratio is more indictive of the turbo and not so much as the manifold/header.

[BadAssPerformance]

100whp on a 500whp car?

The pressure ratio is more indictive of the turbo and not so much as the manifold/header.

The AMS SRT is pushing 800whp...

EDIT: 792hp 650tq

earlier (less hp) video here (http://media.ams-evo8.com/videos/srt4/Neon772.wmv)

EDIT x 2: Build sheet

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=109704&postcount=48

[8valves]

100whp on a 500whp car?

The pressure ratio is more indictive of the turbo and not so much as the manifold/header.

I'm going off of their 770-790 numbers. Perhaps it's a bad example since their dyno numbers are always a good bit generous from their shop, but regardless, a 700 plus car will be pushing enough airflow that I'm confident enough to say that it would lose as much as a 100 hp from an equal length tubular header in good design compared to a log style.

True enough about the PR and turbosize... but any restriction will play a role in that number. If it can't get through to the turbo well enough, then you're already on a downhill slope before you even hit the larger restriction of the system, which you poitned out is the turbo.

[turbo2point2]

"Brian, any particular choice yet on the turbo? If you're undecided still and are maybe looking for a slightly cheaper alternative I have a Borg Warner S300 series in the basement that we were going to use on my brother's truck. If you're interested I can get you some more info on it."

I am pretty set on a GT40R. I have looked at many maps and have had a few recommendations as to what the car might like, and I think that the 40R gives the best of what I would like. I do appreciate the offer very much Aaron.

[8valves]

"Brian, any particular choice yet on the turbo? If you're undecided still and are maybe looking for a slightly cheaper alternative I have a Borg Warner S300 series in the basement that we were going to use on my brother's truck. If you're interested I can get you some more info on it."

I am pretty set on a GT40R. I have looked at many maps and have had a few recommendations as to what the car might like, and I think that the 40R gives the best of what I would like. I do appreciate the offer very much Aaron.

No problem. A 40R would be my choice for you combo. If you're looking for some more boost, try to find anew 4094R instead of the 4088R. It uses the GT4294 compressor wheel instead to give some more cfm output and keep spool damn near the same. If you need more air than a straight up 40 can offer that's an awesome setup to fall back to.

Keep everyone updated for sure too!

[turbo2point2]

"No problem. A 40R would be my choice for you combo. If you're looking for some more boost, try to find anew 4094R instead of the 4088R. It uses the GT4294 compressor wheel instead to give some more cfm output and keep spool damn near the same. If you need more air than a straight up 40 can offer that's an awesome setup to fall back to.

Keep everyone updated for sure too!"

I did see that the 4094R had appeared recently, a friend is buying one for his DSM car,(galant VR4)he wants to upgrade from his GT40R. I did consider it an option, however I may be able to pick up his turbo quite cheap! Updates will follow, there are a bunch of changes coming.

[BadAssPerformance]

Another SRT-4 header...

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30054764/Images/EBAYPicture%20145SRT4-2.jpg

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30054764/Images/EBAYPicture%20144SRT4.jpg

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30054764/Images/EBAYPicture%20147SRT4-4.jpg

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30054764/Images/EBAYPicture%20149SRT4-6.jpg

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30054764/Images/EBAYPicture%20148SRT4-5.jpg

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30054764/Images/EBAYPicture%20146SRT4-3.jpg

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30054764/Images/EBAYPicture%20150SRT4-7.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Neon-SRT4-stainless-turbo-manifold-T3-new_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33632QQihZ003QQitem Z130067342191QQrdZ1

[Frank]

Gross! Heck, you could hibernate a bear in that collector.

[rdnoel86]

nevermind....:)

[turbo2point2]

Hey All, just wanted to show what I have been up to lately. I put a pic up of the collector last month. Now its time to show the whole header. Overall I am pretty happy with how it turned out. It's not optimal, but I think it will be worlds better than a mexican mani. I did my best on making it as equal length as I could(within 1 inch) as far as the runners go. I wanted to keep velocity pretty high so I went with 1.5" i.d. pipe. The cross section of the pipe is pretty close to what the 16v exhaust port is. But If I were shooting for a very lofty goal, I might have gone up a bit in i.d.

It is not totally finished, I still need to fit some dual wastegates in there somewhere, and some finish blending.

[BadAssPerformance]

Looking good :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Wow, looks good. :thumb:

You said you wanted to keep up velocity so wouldn't going 1.5" be too big? I know its a different beast but most hipo SBC's etc, they only use 1 5/8" otherwise they lose power down low? Just curious.

[Russ Jerome]

I wanted to keep velocity pretty high so I went with 1.5" i.d. pipe.

Like everything I have read as of recently always err to the small
side for port velocities on a forced induction setup:

http://hometown.aol.com/russjerome/images/turbohood.jpg

1.5" ID weld els, cheap and they hold in massive amounts of
heat to keep the rapidly expanding gas's ready to explode at
the turbine. I'll be coating and wrapping this setup. I am just
dying to get some shots of the collector online. Looking inside
your looking at a pyramid in the center of the 4 runners (not
divided for 1/4-2/3 but with a single feed turbo I see no gain.

Im surprised to hear any log vs runner debate here, runners
not only outperform at high RPM but are proven to spool
sooner?

Here is $60 in elbows (spares not in site):
http://hometown.aol.com/russjerome/images/coltheader1.jpg
Both flanges turbo and manifold made from 1/2" scrap :)

Im on the car steady again, will edit my post with updated
pics this week. The 4" tailpipe out the front fender looks great :)

[Frank]

Well I think the only debate on long runner is space, cost, and time.

[glhs875]

I really like Brian S's header alot! AWESOME!! Should flow really well and built like a tank. I would want to have it coated though. I will have a custom header on my 8V one day soon! The power level some people are getting to is mindboggling! I love it. I want to break the 500WHP level with an 8V!

[1985ShlbyChrger]

I'm picking up an OBX srt-4 header this weekend. What are your opinions on these?

[DodgeZ]

I'm picking up an OBX srt-4 header this weekend. What are your opinions on these?

http://boostedmopar.com/temp/josh%20002.jpg

[DodgeZ]

http://dnperformance.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/33

[DanSRT-4]

because you can easily make over 500whp with the log.

Too true, and ill prove it next month when I order and install my AMS built motor/race head!:thumb:

[DodgeZ]

Too true, and ill prove it next month when I order and install my AMS built motor/race head!:thumb:

We are on a lot of the same forums!

[DanSRT-4]

We are on a lot of the same forums!

Im not who you think, I am Dan_3kvr4_srt4 on SRTForums lol, he just stole my good name first, but I got it here!

[DodgeZ]

Im not who you think, I am Dan_3kvr4_srt4 on SRTForums lol, he just stole my good name first, but I got it here!


CarolinaRides, BoostedMopar. You have an orange srt with the bling bling wheels?

[DanSRT-4]

Ohhh, yeah thats me for sure lol. I get around, ima player.

[Dasmopar]

Im not who you think, I am Dan_3kvr4_srt4 on SRTForums lol, he just stole my good name first, but I got it here!

The guy who "stole" your name has done alot for "your" name. He's been as fast as you on a stock turbo. Not to mention all the help he has handed out to all the newbs.

[DanSRT-4]

Duuuuur haha, not dising him or anything, just a thing between me and Dan haha.

He has taken that stocker to the heights for sure. But, he only got it to 11.8 I believe right? Any new progress with his car? I should be hoping for 11.45 or better next track appearance.

[Dasmopar]

Duuuuur haha, not dising him or anything, just a thing between me and Dan haha.

He has taken that stocker to the heights for sure. But, he only got it to 11.8 I believe right? Any new progress with his car? I should be hoping for 11.45 or better next track appearance.


No he is not as hot to trot as he use to be. he came up to norwalk this year but wasn't really into it. Your right 11.8 is his best so you are 0.0XX faster than him. I didn't think your where dising him but I didn't want people who don't know you or him to get the wrong idea about him. He helps out more people and tries to stop people from fighting online more than anyone I have ever met. he is good people.

[Ondonti]

so what manifold is the 9.6 3 speed auto trans srt-4 running (its in SFWD).

[Dasmopar]

I don't know but I'll bet it COST ALOT!!!