Consulier and Ferrari vs roll back truck

[polopharm]

Bad day. A totaled 328, smashed front of the blue car.
Roll back/tow truck blocking both lanes of a mountain pass on a blind corner.
I was heading north and the Ferrari was heading south.
I was going a decent speed , not too crazy. I came round the corner,s aw the truck, veered hard right dropped off road hit dirt spun, 360, hit the trucks driver side wheel. Bent it in half and destroyed his axle. I walked away fine.
Ferrari tried to swerve , spun first ,slid tail first into the truck bounced off and hit a tree.
Aaaaahhhh
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Gotta give props to the Consulier's strength. I have a bruised pelvis , broken molar and sore shoulders and stomach area from belts.
Now to deal with the aftermath.

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[MILKCARTON]

Wow, that sucks, sorry to hear.

[Rrider]

Ah man sorry, that is no good. Glad that you are not seriously injured. Damage to the car looks pretty isolated to the corner.. let us know what you find.

[polopharm]

Where else but Southern California will you have 2 exotic cars crashing into an F-----ing dump truck!

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[Reaper1]

OUCH! Man that sucks! What was the truck doing in the middle of the road!?

I am glad to hear you weren't seriously injured.

As for the car, that looks like it can be fixed fairly easily....depending on how far the stresses made it through the chassis. The whole car needs to be NDI tested to make sure that the stresses didn't cause delamination or any other damage throughout the tub. More than likely the answer is that it didn't hurt the structure. I don't know how it's built, really, but the repair actually might not be all that bad.

[wheming]

Oh no!
Glad to hear you weren't hurt worse!
Maybe Jacob can chime in about repair procedure. The crash test car they used didn't look in too bad of shape post test, so it appears the structure can really take a beating.

[polopharm]

The truck was attempting to back into a driveway which was on the left side of the road. He was trying to do a 3+ point turn on a mountain road with a 55mph speed limit.

Repair-wise most body gaps appear to be unchanged.
The windshield seems to have been loosened and the seal is not intact.

There is a carbon fiber race yacht builder/repair place in West Palm. Hoping to have him do repair after ensuring the alignment etc.
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The area damaged seems to be primarily Kevlar , the inner fender area has a very small crack. Gaps around front wheels are the same.
Some weird stuff - A/C fan no longer comes on, lights under dash where knocked out of turn signals etc.
Wheel destroyed from going over the side.

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[Rrider]

Is that one of those shiny plastic covers over the truck wheel?

So your fender was able to taco a steel 22.5" wheel?

[jacob mosler]

little bondo and some paint, youll be fine!

but seriously, the car should be fine structurally.

with enough front impact the nose will start to buckle straight across the tops of the front wheels. There doesnt appear to be any signs of that.

Be sure to drop the front sub-frame and check the mounting holes for elongation etc.

[polopharm]

That's an Alcoa aluminum wheel.
And look at the front view of the truck.

I see some minor stress crack above it on the upper fender.
No appearance of buckling. The passenger side door MAY be a little more difficult to close , but I may be being neurotic.


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[168glhs1986]

Glad your ok. I can tell you these cars are hard as F. A normal car would have likely been totaled. I mean you crushed the truck axle and that's all the damage? I will post a pic of the crash test car at 55 mph, small damage only. Your avoidance skills and car setup saved your car. The Ferrari at likely stock setup lost control and is now
Gone. Time for a a full repaint ?

[blk86trbo]

Glad to hear there werent any serious injuries...holy cow. If that trucker didn't have spotters he should have at least put out cones, damn that's disappointing.

[Dr. Johny Dodge]

I was thinking this ^ as I read the first post

on the bright side , now you can get rid of your uneeded front plate mount points ..

glad you're "ok" but I'm sorry to see your nice blue car got a nasty bump
- I was looking at it in another thread thinking how much I really like the colour of it too

[2.216VTurbo]

Crashing sucks, never a silver lining in a crash ever. Great news that you both walked away from it, story would be even worse if either of you hadn't. That 328 is going to make some resto shop a nice front clip.

[wheming]

At least the damaged corner is the fender with that dimple, so that can be addressed at the same time.

[BadAssPerformance]

Ouch! Glad you guys are OK and it was not worse!

[MPI_duster]

Glad your ok bud!

[DaveSkrab]

Glad nobody was injured, hope there aren't too many headaches on the repairs.

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[Reaper1]

I thought I read someplace or heard through the grapevine at some point that the Kevlar used in the car was in the rear bulkhead/firewall area and that most everything else was some form of fiberglass. Dunno if it's E-glass or S-glass. I also don't know if they used structural foam, honeycomb, metal sandwich. I'm fairly sure there's structural foam in it, but have never gotten a full answer.

Jacob, I'm very interested in this sort of thing. Are you at liberty to discuss the structural build of the car as far as the composite build-up is concerned? The other thing I don't know...were these autoclaved or just vacuum bagged?

[polopharm]

On way to CHP to get the accident report.
I was thinking the same thing about the "dimple".

Hopefully this report is favorable and we don't have to sue the company etc.

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[GTP#44]

Where else but Southern California will you have 2 exotic cars crashing into an F-----ing dump truck!

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Glad your injuries sound minor.
When I read the title I thought racing..?
Then after seeing your story I said exactly what you said two exotic cars crash into a dump truck…how strange.
Could you imagine the truck drivers call to his boss..
You are going you turn into the man to go to with any Consulier issues.
See you back in WPB soon.

[Johnny]

Damn!!! Glad you are doing okay. Sorry about your car.

[polopharm]

Police report finally done. I am officially not at fault. Ferrari guy not so lucky , he got cited for excess speed.
Now to see what the adjuster will say....

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[2.216VTurbo]

It's possible the adjuster is in for an 'education' when he discovers the value of the GTP vs the Ferarri:nod:

[bigbarneycars]

Just don't let your insurance co. say they need your title no matter how they want to settle your claim. If you do they're trying to settle and have your state issue you a title with that dreaded "SALVAGE" word on it. Been there done that, Jer

[Johnny]

Never have it appraised?
ALL special cars should be before something happens.
i did have my Consulier appraised, if you need a copy I can send one to you.....if it will help.

[polopharm]

Work started on blue car today. The formula car fabricator was very impressed with how the car did in the wreck. No damage to subframe mounting points. Suspension undamaged. No misalignment of body panels.
After driving it , he liked it even more!

Picking up a front clip from Rossion, may use it to graft on the outer skin or use it to make a mold. Will be making a mold for the front bumper as well if anyone needs a bumper.

Many different materials and methods found in the construction so far and we have only be dealing with one corner!

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Thats the clip in container at Rossion.

[polopharm]

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[polopharm]

Most the damaged area has been cut out. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161117/988bac668c0a90612a7c733dd9e406df.jpg
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[player1up]

I can't even begin to express how sick seeing a wrecked Consulier makes me, but on a good note, this is very good insight on their construction.

[2.216VTurbo]

Worlds first cut away Consulier Andy! Not fun for you but good for the community right?;)

[polopharm]

Its tough to see, but honestly I feel better now that work has started. And note that in the pictures with the "cut away" , there are inner fender panels which were fully intact and have been removed.

Front bumper repair almost done , then making a mold off of it.
Then 2 new bumpers.
Any one need a front bumper? http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161118/ad70a9a716133188af97d45f80e30578.jpg

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[OmniLuvr]

dang! late to the party, but glad everything is "looking" good and being fixed, such a bummer this even happened though... subscribed for updates!

[polopharm]

Got the series 2 partial front clip from Rossion today. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161119/bce23f15f070fc916c196d3f8b88474c.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161119/1a4ebf2f4f5411a21841c8e789395b4f.jpg
Not sure if it will be used as a graft, or just to make a mold.
Or it would make a nice arm chair.

[polopharm]

Decided that best course of action was to graft on the other "fender" http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161122/aea9fafbc0e385e75a25c87d35bdc381.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161122/457085ee25c2a534c9c48fabe8de82fe.jpg
New bumpers being made now , waiting on a price to make extras for those that need them. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161122/74b159ecd0279ab38efe29bb80c2a17e.jpg

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[polopharm]

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[polopharm]

The "fender" is now bonded on. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/382786fbdd8af24e17add38e5e14352d.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/e37833d5ed6cb8b332eca24de0e2d835.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/580729a81b2be916bb4fae34a22fc336.jpg
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The green epoxy is from Sikorsky Aviation. It is what they use in the repair and manufacture of carbon fiber rotors.
The edges of the cuts were beveled and the patch panel bonded in place.
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[Wastelands Warrior]

Looking good!

[Rrider]

Don't call it a comeback!

Epocast 1652?

[polopharm]

I am excited as the work progresses.

I will find out what epoxy it is.

He guarantees that i will be able to jump and down on it like i used to do. ( to show people how strong the body is )

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[polopharm]

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[Pat]

Looking good!

[wheming]

Can't wait to see the finished product! It's getting close ;)

[Pat]

Going to repaint the whole car or just the repaired area?

[Fox]

nice looks like you chose the right guy to fix it

[polopharm]

The guy is doing a great job for sure ,

We are going to paint the front clip for sure , i really dont want to paint the whole car , but i am going to have further talks with the body guy.

I enjoy not having to worry to much about nicks , rock chips etc.

I would have kept it all original but hitting the truck did not figure into my original plans...

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[Johnny]

Did the truck guys insurance pay for it?

[polopharm]

Waiting for that. We are likely going to be suing them. Damage of cars exceeds there maximun pay out.

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[polopharm]

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Losing the terrible license plate holes , and the dent as well.
Car will be painted on thursday.

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[player1up]

Wow, That's coming along nicely.

[bfarroo]

Did you end up making a mold the of the whole front end?

[polopharm]

No. We used a front clip they had a rossion.

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[polopharm]

Need to get headlight buckets. Cant find them on the parts list. Thanks

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[Johnny]

Parts list was for items they bought from other places. (I think) They made these. So even if there was a parts list number, only place to get them is Rossian. You ask them if they have any? Or is it container diving time?

[player1up]

For clarity:
Headlight Bracket: Thing that holds the bucket to the car.
Headlight Bucket: The actual bucket that the headlight sits into. ( Bolts to the bracket. Also used to aim the lights )
Trim ring: the ring that holds the bulb into the bucket.
Headlight surround: Fiberglass thing that covers the gap between the car and the headlights ( only the series one cars have these )
I'm guessing that the bracket is different between the series 1 and 2 cars...

Andy, Do you need the bracket or the bucket or both?

The aluminum brackets are custom but look pretty simple to recreate.
The parts list says something like st161,st162,st171,st172 for the assemblies, but I'd guess that was a part number from a supplier that includes the bucket and trim ring.
The actual buckets should be the same as any car that had the h4701 / h4703 sealed beams ( like the 89ish suburban ). I'll see if I can confirm that tomorrow.
There was a crate of headlights in one of the storage containers and the lights had the buckets/ trim rings with them. Not to be confused with the headlight surround.

[polopharm]

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And here she is in primer.
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[polopharm]

These are the buckets i am referring to, i dont think they are Consilier specific

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[Johnny]

OH, was thinking you were talking about the fiberglass that went behind them.
Series 2 the same as series 1? (headlights)

[player1up]

yep, looks just like the suburban bucket from this site:
http://ck5.com/forums/threads/89-91-suburban-lmc-headlight-and-wiring-upgrade-write-up-with-pics.301212/

[polopharm]

We ordered them but I think they will be too big.

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[OmniLuvr]

so what are you doing with the rest of the fiberglass front end, hanging it on the wall in your garage and make it look like a consulier is crashing through... :)

[polopharm]

That's a good idea. Not sure my wife will like it but hey...

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[polopharm]

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Off to paint.

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[bfarroo]

Does the bottom of the car have a lip where the bumper attaches?

[polopharm]

Yes it does. If you look at pictures of my red race car , it is easier to see.

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[bfarroo]

Is it an actual lip that dips in or a body line? I looked at a few different pictures on johnny's site and it seem like there are a few possible different front ends. My car is the unfinished roadster #34.

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[polopharm]

Hi mine has a kind of recessed lip, i will try n take some better pictures of it.

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[polopharm]

Some pictures of the lip where bumper mounts http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161216/6111592a22d41ce5a31d6367239c31e6.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161216/a0ff1f324587acba250d93b1ea326c3b.jpg



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[Rrider]

They look better without. Kind of like the back of an Omni or 240z. Car looks amazing in matte black primer. Reminds me of the Redux Intruder.. sinister.

[polopharm]

On the race car we are going to attach with dzus clips for easy removal, and will add a small splitter. The blue car lifts at speed , can be "cheek squeezing" moment when the front end gets super loose.
Don't know how they drag raced it ,I would have needed a diaper!

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[polopharm]

Back from paint. Looks amazing. Ready for final reassembly.

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[Johnny]

Wonderful!!!

[Pat]

Wow! Looks like the new paint blended well with the old paint.

[DaveSkrab]

Glad to see this progress!

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[2.216VTurbo]

Like it never even happened! Well, other than the 2 months of work and thousands spent to fix it;)

[polopharm]

Now we move onto
Install new bumper, replace headlights, and the small stuff-a/c stopped working as well as some other lights and gauges, but the end is in sight.
I drove it around the block today , first time in months!
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[player1up]

Wow, Looks gorgeous! Let us know if the headlight buckets you ordered are the right ones.

[wheming]

Looks great! So glad to here and see the results are this good. This car deserved a perfect result.
Are you planning to upgrade those lights to the H4 ones? That might be a visual improvement too, or at least improve your vision at night.

[Reaper1]

Looks like it was high density foam and fiberglass construction from the cross section pictures. Am I right?

[Fox]

you should check out these https://www.dapperlighting.com/products/dapper-lighting-4x6-projector-headlight ive heard there pretty good unlike the ebay fake hid stuff that just scatters light everywhere

[Johnny]

4x6 won't fit though

[Fox]

oh sorry not yo up on consulier stuff, looked like 4x6 in the pics

[Thrillz]

4x6 won't fit though

I don't think I've ever measured them.... they aren't 4x6??

[Johnny]

Headlights:
H4703 low beam
H4701 high beam


3.62205 x 5.90551

[Johnny]

Here is some info.......

http://www.gmfullsize.com/threads/tech-88-89-gmt400-quad-sealed-beam-upgrades-bosch-t84-e-code-headlights.182354/

[polopharm]

So we are making some more progress. Flash made of bumper , making the mold now , lights installed ( headlight pillaged from race car till I have time to stop at Rossion)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170117/9f58214293d3328ffe836ba1b5bae621.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170117/861e4d9cde4d435f9a43be899ff810e0.jpg

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[wheming]

That looks great! So glad to see this being fixed up. I nearly cried when you posted your first crash post/pics.

[polopharm]

It's been a long strange trip! Thanks for the support.
On the brightside I think community will benefit from the knowledge on repairing them. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170117/9cd786910fc97e61d7e9f5c04c35e3ff.jpg

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[polopharm]

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All done except for the white pin stripe!
New bumper fresh from our new mold.
Looking forward to being behind the wheel the weekend!

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[wheming]

Nice work!

[DaveSkrab]

Awesome!

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[Thrillz]

Looking sharp!

[mcsvt]

Great to see it back together!

[polopharm]

Soo got it all just about done when Presto....the old Dent in the front fender returned!! But wait , it's an entirely new fender. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170126/14bb6b694ca6c8cb91f5defb5f591b94.jpg
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The ghost of dents past returned.
So it turns out the head light mounting frame is too narrow and when tightened pulled the fender down, and thus the dent!!

Headlight pulled out Dent goes away , thank God. New headlight mounting hardware being fabricated now.


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[wheming]

Damn!
Glad it released when you removed the light.

[DaveSkrab]

For how strong that section of the fender is, it almost sounds like someone over torqued the mounting hardware to be able to distort the fender. Interesting either way!

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[polopharm]

You would think, but the car had that Dent from back when it was new.
The head light mounting bracket is different on this side compared to the other side. And different from the red race car.

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[Vigo]

Glad to see it back in shape and that that dent popped out on its own!!

[polopharm]

It was a sh_tty moment, seeing that Dent come back!!

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[polopharm]

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Pin stripes done.
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Dent gone (again!)

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[polopharm]

Drove her home tonight. Did a few extra miles (146 to be exact)
Felt great. Now tucked in safely for the night. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170209/5f0e1746f4f31026996d62ff77771a61.jpg

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[Johnny]

Bet it sure felt good to drive it again.

[polopharm]

Wow. It took about 50mi just to remember the power band, and the feel of the car.
Big smile. Remember what all this effort has been for !

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