TIII lifter alternatives

[Force Fed Mopar]

Since actual TIII lifters are getting hard to come by, and often have issues when you do find them even new, what's the other options? We have a rebuilder looking at some for a Spirit RT I'm working on, and I found mention of some successfully using a Mercedes V8 exhaust lifter on the other site. My thoughts were that if Lotus designed the head, seems like they'd have used a lifter they or a supplier already had in use, maybe in an Elise or Espirit. How critical is it to have the little foot on the bottom, could a lash cap be used on the valve stem instead?

[Wastelands Warrior]

FWD was supposed to be working on a new run of lifters. The thread in their section just kinda died out even though there was interest...

[Force Fed Mopar]

Here's what I got from the other site, pretty sure lengel is who is running these.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/470837336021517153/

[Wastelands Warrior]

That's pretty cool. Hopefully Lengels will drop in with some wisdom.

[Pat]

I've been running them for years. They work.

I'd get the Mercedes disks also instead of modifying the lifter the way I did.

[rx2mazda]

This is great. I got these lifters maybe 3-4 years ago....meant to post about them but never followed thru. My friend works at MB parts so got a good discount!

[Wastelands Warrior]

Anyone have a part number or Benz application for the lifters and caps?

[rx2mazda]

washers #113-055-00-76
lifter #113-050-03-80 (intake), 113-050-00-80 (exhaust)

order 16 intakes, the exhaust have a restrictor inside.

[Wastelands Warrior]

washers #113-055-00-76
lifter #113-050-03-80 (intake), 113-050-00-80 (exhaust)

order 16 intakes, the exhaust have a restrictor inside.

Cool! Thanks

[Force Fed Mopar]

So we don't want the restrictor? Was kinda unclear about that on the other site. Wonder why the exhaust has a restrictor and the intake doesn't?

[Turbo Joe]

washers #113-055-00-76
lifter #113-050-03-80 (intake), 113-050-00-80 (exhaust)

order 16 intakes, the exhaust have a restrictor inside.

upon looking up those part numbers i'm finding that the 03-80's are exhaust and the 00-80 are intake?

[spirit1991]

I'm using BGA hl6312 lifters from rock auto. They're a drop in direct replacement, exactly like the original.

[rx2mazda]

I'm using BGA hl6312 lifters from rock auto. They're a drop in direct replacement, exactly like the original.

Interesting! 11mm Fiat Panda lifter. $8.95 a pop. Gonna order 1 a compare.

EDIT: These look to be the exact same as stock, including the little black plastic caps and sealing ring. I like the build of the mercedes lifter better but these can use stock lifter disc. Also, they ship from UK so its like 25$

[zin]

Very interested in how this plays out...

Mike

[spirit1991]

Very interested in how this plays out...

Mike

The BGA HL6312 type, (actual genuine Fiat ones are installed in my R/T) are perfect. I tested the BGA's and they're working great as well.

I do have to disclaimer that they were hard to get. The test batch had a mix of the Mercedes lifters and Fiat lifters. The Fiats are 100% percent identical. And the only difference in the BGA's is the look of the machining. Overall I'd say there is no difference, but figured the Fiats were a touch nicer, but its probably just me being picky.

[iTurbo]

How can I order these from Rock Auto? I would need an application to look it up.

After buying at least 5 sets of these from FWDP I kinda wonder. I've shared hard to find part numbers before (like cheap Cometic gaskets for the Masi 16v). Jeez.

[HSKR]

How can I order these from Rock Auto? I would need an application to look it up.

After buying at least 5 sets of these from FWDP I kinda wonder. I've shared hard to find part numbers before (like cheap Cometic gaskets for the Masi 16v). Jeez.
DO a part number search on RockAuto. They came right up but are showing $9.57 for me and only 7 remaining.

[karlak]

The BGA HL6312 type, (actual genuine Fiat ones are installed in my R/T) are perfect. I tested the BGA's and they're working great as well.

I do have to disclaimer that they were hard to get. The test batch had a mix of the Mercedes lifters and Fiat lifters. The Fiats are 100% percent identical. And the only difference in the BGA's is the look of the machining. Overall I'd say there is no difference, but figured the Fiats were a touch nicer, but its probably just me being picky.

What s the part number for the OEM Fiat brand?

[spirit1991]

What s the part number for the OEM Fiat brand?

fiat 7660771

[Dan15]

Awesome information to have! Thanks for sharing. I'll be putting a fresh set in my TIII that has had them replaced fairly recently yet they're noisy again.

[iTurbo]

I think I have a few sets available. Just be sure to send some vaseline my way.

[karlak]

Just got a set from Rock Auto. Delivered from Great Briton in 2 days. Received 12 that will drop in and 4 that need the Mercedes disk.

[Pat]

Just got a set from Rock Auto. Delivered from Great Briton in 2 days. Received 12 that will drop in and 4 that need the Mercedes disk.

Are the sending different kinds or did you order 12 of one and 4 of the other?

[karlak]

I ordered 16. Got a split shipment of 12 and 4. Two different suppliers. Part number was the same for both types.

[spirit1991]

I ordered 16. Got a split shipment of 12 and 4. Two different suppliers. Part number was the same for both types.

This is what happened to me. A few times actually. The ones your getting that are Benz style are misboxed bga hl5313s.

[karlak]

Ahhh.......... Wonder if Rock Auto will exchange them?

[glhs727]

Ahhh.......... Wonder if Rock Auto will exchange them?

I ordered a couple of hundred directly from the manufacturer. They are schedule to arrive from overseas next Friday. If anyone wants to buy a set of 16, they will be on our site for $220 a set

[karlak]

Now you tell me.

[billk]

Hey guys,
I know this is an old thread but since it looks like a few of you have replaced these lifters .............

Does anyone have any hints as to getting the lifters into the rocker arms ? I have a head I am working on for a customer and he bought a set of lifters from FWDP but I am having a tough time getting them to go in to the rocker arm without hanging up on the teflon ring at the bottom of the lifter.

Any thoughts ?

Thanks,
Bill

[iTurbo]

I use a small C-clamp and a couple rags to cushion the rocker arm to prevent it from getting scratched. With the C-clamp, you can squeeze them in and not worry about the lifter disc doing a summersault in the lifter bore and ending up upside down.

[Force Fed Mopar]

washers #113-055-00-76
lifter #113-050-03-80 (intake), 113-050-00-80 (exhaust)

order 16 intakes, the exhaust have a restrictor inside.


So we don't want the restrictor? Was kinda unclear about that on the other site. Wonder why the exhaust has a restrictor and the intake doesn't?


upon looking up those part numbers i'm finding that the 03-80's are exhaust and the 00-80 are intake?

Any verification on this, and why we would or would not want the restrictor in the lifter?