Rebuilt TIII Won't Fire

[mratliff86]

So after my oil pumped locked up and I have had everything hot tanked, polished, etc. she has been put back together and rewarded my brother and I with not starting. Has fuel, spark, and everything appears to be hooked up properly. It will turn over and catch for a split second and then shut down. I did upgrade the clutch with the stage 3 from Spec, I am just curious as to if that is the problem. I checked the new PP against my stocker and noticed no differences. I also in that quite a few other TIIIs are running Specs as well. Any help would be awesome.

[HSKR]

Double check your timing alignment. I had a problem with mint not wanting to start after replacing intermeidate shaft bushing and seal. Went back and completely re-did the timing belt alignment just to make sure I did it right(took belt off and re-installed) and second time around it fired right up.

[mratliff86]

Double check your timing alignment. I had a problem with mint not wanting to start after replacing intermeidate shaft bushing and seal. Went back and completely re-did the timing belt alignment just to make sure I did it right(took belt off and re-installed) and second time around it fired right up.

Thanks, have done so multiple times, it is correct. Vacuum looks good when it catches for a second.

[mratliff86]

Have also tried different computers and coil packs just to troubleshoot. Also have no codes showing.

[Force Fed Mopar]

You didn't change the flywheel did you?

[rx2mazda]

Sounds like the PP blocking the crank signal marks on the Flywheel.

[mratliff86]

Didn't change the flywheel, did remove the crank sensor and what do I see? Some of the windows are blocked by the PP. So now I have a few questions, who has run a Spec clutch, specifically the stage 3 (SD 773)? Also, can you clock the PP?

[ShelGame]

Sounds like the PP blocking the crank signal marks on the Flywheel.

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[DaveSkrab]

I just took a SPEC stg3 out of my wife's RT. Will take a look at it tonight.

[mratliff86]

I just took a SPEC stg3 out of my wife's RT. Will take a look at it tonight.

That would be great, pic would also help. How did it perform in he car?

[DaveSkrab]

Will snap a picture or two, I came into the picture at the tail end of the clutches' use able life. It was still grabby, but lacked the clamping power to hold more than stock power.
The previous owner ran it over 20 psi and had no issues.

[DaveSkrab]

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Here's what I've got, the PP, goes to the depth of the timing marks on this one.

[mratliff86]

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Here's what I've got, the PP, goes to the depth of the timing marks on this one.

You are the man, that really helps. Does the PP fit on the flywheel in different orientations? I am wondering if you can get it to fit in a manner which partially blocks a window like what I have. I have clearance like yours, it is just that one of the sections of the PP where it sets flush with the flywheel encroaches into the crank senso rvalley.

[HSKR]

Talking to Chris at TU when I ordered my clutch, he says here shortly all of his clutches will need to be machines to work with the TIII crank sensors. He had to switch suppliers cornhusker pressure plates and new ones cover up the timing windows. Forget what supplier he said he had to switch ch to.

[DaveSkrab]

Yeah, taking a much closer look, the slight protrusion into the timing mark valley is present to some degree in any of the 3 orientations I placed it in. . I can imagine how frustrating this can be for you.

[Chris W]

Talking to Chris at TU when I ordered my clutch, he says here shortly all of his clutches will need to be machines to work with the TIII crank sensors. He had to switch suppliers cornhusker pressure plates and new ones cover up the timing windows. Forget what supplier he said he had to switch ch to.

We are not switching clutch builders so no worries folks. Marc, our clutch guy, will continue to build our line of performance clutches.

Just to clarify, Sachs pressure plates come pre-clearanced for magnetic pickups. These plates are used on our Stage I Hybrid, Stage II (blue) and Stage III (yellow/gold) clutch packages. Unfortunately they are drying up in the industry. Once we have depleted our inventory there will be an additional machining charge for TIII applications. Our most popular Stage IV (Purple/Black) clutch has always required magnetic pickup clearance for TIII applications so no changes there.

We are not sure which Pressure Plates Spec uses for their clutch kits. If it is Sachs they may have run out of those plates and were not aware that the new brand of plates requires pre-machining.

Chris-TU

[DaveSkrab]

This is great information Chris. Thanks for the input.

[Chris W]

We don't advertise it much but we also rebuild clutches. So if you have a worn Sachs plate from your TIII do not discard it.

Chris-TU

[mratliff86]

I just wanted to say thanks to all, I believe the issue has been discovered. When I get it out I will get some pics of it vs the stocker. I will also communicate this to the folks at Spec. Chris, as always, you are a beacon of light for folks in need of information. I would have preferred to use your stuff but ended up getting the Spec for a steal. Thanks for all you and Turbosunleashed have done for our community and me in particular.

[Chris W]

I just wanted to say thanks to all, I believe the issue has been discovered. When I get it out I will get some pics of it vs the stocker. I will also communicate this to the folks at Spec. Chris, as always, you are a beacon of light for folks in need of information. I would have preferred to use your stuff but ended up getting the Spec for a steal. Thanks for all you and Turbosunleashed have done for our community and me in particular.

No problem. Glad we could help. We understand about good deals coming along so no explanation necessary.

If Spec cannot or will not address the issue let me know. Marc can clearance the pressure plate cover then precision balance the complete assembly for you.

Chris-TU

[mratliff86]

No problem. Glad we could help. We understand about good deals coming along so no explanation necessary.

If Spec cannot or will not address the issue let me know. Marc can clearance the pressure plate cover then precision balance the complete assembly for you.

Chris-TU

Thanks Chris, got in touch with the folks at Spec today, they are being super helpful and are wanting the information regarding differences between what I have and the stock. When I get it out I will send it to them and post up here as well. They have already mentioned swapping out the PP for me, just have to provide the info.

[mratliff86]

DaveSkrab, in the name of gathering more data, can you get a measurement of your PP from side to side at the centerline? Also maybe the max height of the PP and thickness?

[DaveSkrab]

I'll see what I can come up with!

[mratliff86]

Hypothesis confirmed, the Spec PP was approximately 11.25 inches vs 11.00 for the stock. Have sent pics to you the folks at Spec and they are being helpful by trying to find a PP that may work for me and also checking there stock to ensure this doesn't happen to anyone else. Thanks to all who helped out, anyone know the dimensions of an SRT aftermarket PP? My brother and I were trying to figure out if that could be an option.

[Ondonti]

We don't advertise it much but we also rebuild clutches. So if you have a worn Sachs plate from your TIII do not discard it.

Chris-TU

Hmm, I have an old modified "+40%" Eurodrive TIII SACHS with single strap :mad: that got bent back in 2007. Hoarding FTW. Not sure about the method of modification or if its just a lie.
4 puck with 25 year old stock plate still holding for now. Really thought slicks would kill it but it survived.

[HSKR]

I have the SACHS PP I just pulled of my Spirit R/T in favor of the TU Stage IV. Not sure who original vender was that sold it. It had a heavier pedal then my new TU one. Would be willing to send it to you for the price of shipping if you want something to compare to.

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[mratliff86]

Thanks to all for the offer, thankfully I had the stock one. The folks at Spec said I should have my new PP today.

[mratliff86]

New clutch came in yesterday, the dimensions are correct. Got the transmission lifted into the car yesterday, time to button it up.

[mratliff86]

Thanks to all who have helped, car runs great, now getting the tune worked out.