4door l body window bushings.

[thedon809]

Anyone ever find a solution to 4 door l body window tilt because of worn bushings? It looks like the upper one takes the most abuse.

upperhttp://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj197/thedon809/IMG_20150719_121842_zpsreeoyz2w.jpg (http://s272.photobucket.com/user/thedon809/media/IMG_20150719_121842_zpsreeoyz2w.jpg.html)

lowerhttp://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj197/thedon809/IMG_20150719_121848_zpslppbo9na.jpg (http://s272.photobucket.com/user/thedon809/media/IMG_20150719_121848_zpslppbo9na.jpg.html)

[TheCanadian007]

I would also like to know of a solution for this. Usually I lubricate the window track in the spring and fall with a heavier lithium based grease. Seems to help it slide and reduce the amount of play.

[thedon809]

I managed to find a NOS window guide plate on eBay for $10 so I snatched it up. I might send it to someone who does plastic and see if they can recreate the bushings.

[Keito]

3d printer, should be cake

[thedon809]

Can a 3d printer do any kind of plastic? I wanna say these are nylon maybe?

[ShelGame]

Something like this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CRL-1978-Chrysler-Omni-and-Horizon-Front-Door-Window-Guide-Repair-Kit-/171411596381?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e8ed645d

Or this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-Chrysler-Omni-and-Horizon-Front-Door-Window-Guide-Repair-Kit-/261805022700?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf4cb9dec

[bamman]

I wrap zip ties fore and aft to recreate the bushing and eliminate play. It helps if your bushings are non existent. It does not solve the problem though, but it does help make rolling up the window a one hand operation.

[thedon809]

Something like this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CRL-1978-Chrysler-Omni-and-Horizon-Front-Door-Window-Guide-Repair-Kit-/171411596381?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e8ed645d

Or this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-Chrysler-Omni-and-Horizon-Front-Door-Window-Guide-Repair-Kit-/261805022700?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf4cb9decThat is interesting indeed. Here is the plate I bought. I'm trying to imagine how those install.
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODk5WDE2MDA=/z/fucAAOSwU9xUUqRJ/$_1.JPG

[black86glhs]

I was looking at McMaster-Carr last night and thinking of some wear resistant nylon blocks and make my own. That will be later on after I do soooooo many other things.

[ajakeski]

3D printers use either ABS or PLA.
PLA is water soluble, and probably not a great solution.
When I have time, I'll look into printing some of these in ABS.
If someone wants to make the CAD drawing, it would speed up the process.

[thedon809]

Something like this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CRL-1978-Chrysler-Omni-and-Horizon-Front-Door-Window-Guide-Repair-Kit-/171411596381?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e8ed645d

Or this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-Chrysler-Omni-and-Horizon-Front-Door-Window-Guide-Repair-Kit-/261805022700?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf4cb9decI just placed an order for one of these. Will report back when I get them.

[contraption22]

I just placed an order for one of these. Will report back when I get them.
Thank you.
Please do report!

[tryingbe]

Yes, please do.

[thedon809]

I just got this in today. I might install that kit on the old plate or maybe the passenger side. My passenger side window is ok but not great.
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj197/thedon809/IMG_20150723_175658_zpsrc8mzt5e.jpg (http://s272.photobucket.com/user/thedon809/media/IMG_20150723_175658_zpsrc8mzt5e.jpg.html)

[contraption22]

Any updates?

[thedon809]

I tried ordering the parts from both those vendors and they say they aren't available.

[rx2mazda]

I can 3d print these in nylon if I can get one to copy. Should last a long time!!! LMK

[thedon809]

I could send you the new one. Would you have to remove the bushings?

[rx2mazda]

Maybe, maybe not. I could test fit it on my window track.

[glhs49]

any update?

[rx2mazda]

any update?

PMed thedon, he PMed me back and said he will ship them in a couple days. Still waiting to get them, will update!

[rx2mazda]

Thanks theDon! Got them and working on reproduction. Will update

[Dominic]

This is SO awesome!!

very happiness....


:dancingbana:

[rx2mazda]

Done. Does anybody have a spare window track laying around they could send me? I will pay shipping and return it to you. thedon's bushing are attached with a rivet and I'm sure he doesn't want me to take them off. I want to test fit these to the track first before I call them good. Thanks!

[rx2mazda]

Here it is....Made out of strong Nylon. May beef it up just a touch more but need to check fitment.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/_20151002_141137.jpg (http://s93.photobucket.com/user/rx2mazda/media/_20151002_141137.jpg.html)

[Dominic]

Oh boy....

There be some MAJOR sexiness in this thread....

[contraption22]

Yes!!!

[rich tideswell]

Here it is....Made out of strong Nylon. May beef it up just a touch more but need to check fitment.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/_20151002_141137.jpg (http://s93.photobucket.com/user/rx2mazda/media/_20151002_141137.jpg.html)

I have a design improvement suggestion: current industry practice is a minimum 5mm of material around a fastener hole, i suggest you make that change if space allows..

[rx2mazda]

I have a design improvement suggestion: current industry practice is a minimum 5mm of material around a fastener hole, i suggest you make that change if space allows..


.....May beef it up just a touch more but need to check fitment.


Yes, this is the area I was referring to.

[Dominic]

Any updates?




Thank you,
Dominic

[johnl]

I'm in need . . .

[going4speed]

did this ever come to anything? I really need new bushings

[fishcleaner]

Same here, I need a set.

[rx2mazda]

anybody have their window apart that can test it? I've been too busy with other stuff on my car. I was gonna test in the spring

[contraption22]

anybody have their window apart that can test it? I've been too busy with other stuff on my car. I was gonna test in the spring

I have a spare door I can test on.

[rx2mazda]

I have a spare door I can test on.

PM me your address

[going4speed]

did a fitment test happen? I have my doors apart now and would LOVE some of these :nod:

[black86glhs]

I have a set of window tracks that are brand new in the basement. I can test the fit on them and possibly one on my car? Interested in sending me a set to also try?

[thedon809]

You would probably have to grind the rivets off your factory ones to try these.

[black86glhs]

Not a problem.

[Dominic]

Good Morning,

Have these been tested yet? Would LOVE to have an update... Would REALLY LOVE to buy meself a set....

[rx2mazda]

Just shipped them to Marra, he's gonna test fit them for me. Stay tuned!

[MILKCARTON]

very interested

[ajakeski]

Any plans to make the .stl file available for others with 3D printers?

[black86glhs]

Any plans to make the .stl file available for others with 3D printers?he won't be able to sell them at $50 a set if he does. :eyebrows:

[ajakeski]

I would print a set and try them on one of my cars.


For anyone interested, all my designs are available for free to anyone who wants to download the file and print them.

L body dome lens: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1160539

Shelby Lancer certer cap: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:566126

Shelby Dakota center cap: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:525681

[rx2mazda]

Once I get the "they fit", I will post it up. I'm not trying to make money on window bushings(or anything TD lol). I will make some nylon sets for people but would be better to just upload to shapeways and buy from them.

[ajakeski]

I made these up tonight. Modeled from NOS window regulator guides.
I'll bolt it into a car this week and see how it works. I can add meat where needed, if it looks like it will help.
As soon as I know they will work, I'll put them into production.

Prototype Green

[black86glhs]

How durable is the plastic?

[ajakeski]

Thicker version 1:

[ajakeski]

How durable is the plastic?

I'm just printing test pieces in ABS. It's cheap so I can make continuing changes without wasting expensive material. Th eoriginals apear to be ABS or something similar.

The final produt can be in any other printable material from Plastic to Gold.

[black86glhs]

Gotcha....I was just curious. I haven't work with the 3D printer plastics so wasn't sure if you were using a cheap one for mock-up or a higher grade.

[ajakeski]

Thicker yet:

[going4speed]

dang..I need these so bad for 313

[ajakeski]

I tried all three tonight. The first design works best. I need to make some setting changes on the printer and I'll try a double sided version of the first design.
I should have news by the end of the week.

[thedon809]

The thick ones have too much friction? That would be my concern.

[going4speed]

is there such a thing?:eyebrows:

[ajakeski]

Preparations A-G were abysmal failures…

But now we have Success!

The window glides up and down perfectly with only a little penetrating oil for lubricant. These are ABS prototypes. I'll have some done in nylon and see if they work as well.

If you can't wait, nylon bushings are available here:

https://www.shapeways.com/product/RQPKRLLAY/l-body-window-regulator-pack?key=66b1016b2b88f3b08dfcc69d771c6848




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlHcEKiEQlY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDdHVw6I20E&feature=youtu.be

[rx2mazda]

so glad you decided to make these...i really didn't have the time. Are you going to put the .stl files up like your other projects?

[ajakeski]

Eventually.

[going4speed]

Ordered! Awesome. Thanks so much for doing this. :nod:

Edit: did not realize my tracks were so bent up. I need to take them out the door and fix them first. Never a dull moment. :eyebrows:

[rx2mazda]

Eventually.

nevermind, i just ordered a set! thx again

[ajakeski]

Ordered! Awesome. Thanks so much for doing this. :nod:

Edit: did not realize my tracks were so bent up. I need to take them out the door and fix them first. Never a dull moment. :eyebrows:


The bracket that holds the bushings bends like tissue. I've always had problems with them bending, especially at the top.

[ajakeski]

Thanks!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4OZWG78njo

[black86glhs]

I ordered 2 sets for mine. If I'm going thru all the crap to replace flooring, might as well make the windows work like new.....er....better than new.

[going4speed]

got my parts in. they look so small and so many pieces!

[ajakeski]

The top bushings will probably need some file fitting. They can't be printed any thinner.

I was going to install my set today, but my dogs ate the Shapeways box...

[going4speed]

dang what type of mammoth hounds do you have? :eyebrows:

[ajakeski]

Big nosey ones that got up on my desk. I should have brought the parts out to the shop right away.

Lesson learned. By me.

[going4speed]

Any tips on drilling these bushings? Dont want to break them. Thinking 1/4-20 bolts and locking nuts.

[ajakeski]

1/8 inch rivets should do fine. I think the hole in the metal bracket is 9/64 or so.

The head of the rivet should be against the plastic.

[minigts]

Preparations A-G were abysmal failures…

But now we have Success!

The window glides up and down perfectly with only a little penetrating oil for lubricant. These are ABS prototypes. I'll have some done in nylon and see if they work as well.

If you can't wait, nylon bushings are available here:

https://www.shapeways.com/product/RQPKRLLAY/l-body-window-regulator-pack?key=66b1016b2b88f3b08dfcc69d771c6848




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlHcEKiEQlY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDdHVw6I20E&feature=youtu.be

Is there a reason why this post and control mechanism cannot be swapped to a 2 door L body? I mean, why are we talking about the 2 doors if we can use these and be done with it? Asking because I've never seen or messed with the regulators on a 4 door.

[ajakeski]

I'm pretty sure that the Two doo regulator works the same way but all or the parts are different. The vertical part is oval shaped if I remember right. Looking at the photo, it looks like the small bushings are similar.

I have one somewhere...

[minigts]

I guess I'm wondering how the tracks mount. Do they mount the same or can they be adapted? If so, I can't imagine the regulators can't be fit in place but again, maybe I'm over simplifying things. That or too hopeful. I think the rectangular design is better than the round design.

[ajakeski]

The track bolts in the same, one bolt on top, one through the bottom of the door shell. I'm pretty sure the 2 door track is longer than the four door track and the angle is different.

[ajakeski]

"I want bushings for two door cars..."

Fine, here you go:

[minigts]

Damn skippy. Link? I'll buy today!!

[ajakeski]

Not for sale yet. It's still in the R&D phase. I'll send you a couple to test since I don't have a 2 door L body lying around. PM me your address.

[ajakeski]

Really close to production. Thanks to Jon Trotter for helping to test prototypes.

I'm working to have these available to order by the end of the week.

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/glh

[tryingbe]

Just installed mine today. Works as advertised!

Had to get a small drill bit to drill holes in the new bushings and then used rivets to hold the bushings in place. Everything else was straight forward, I took the tracks out of the car so I can clean all the old grease off.

[ajakeski]

I'm closing the Shapeways store on December 31 2017. These and all other printed parts will no longer be available after that date.

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/glh

[tryingbe]

Noooo, not enough demand?

[ajakeski]

Demand for bushings has been consistent, but I can't continue to operate at a loss every year.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?82420-Closing-Great-Lakes-Hot-Rod-in-2018

[ajakeski]

Two and 4 door window regulator bushing files are available here:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2803031

Free to use per the license agreement listed on Thingiverse. If I find license violations, I'll delete the files.

[2.216VTurbo]

Oh man, I shoulda just bought like 10 sets of these before you closed the Shapeways store! Oh wait. Nevermind ;-)

[ajakeski]

Now you have a reason to buy a 3D printer.