Might Be It for TIII Power in The Rampage RT

[2.216VTurbo]

:(

Went to Lowes to grab a few pieces of Sod for where I had a tree removed in the front yard, it was brown and crispy-no thanks. So decided not to make a nice drive in the Rampage RT less than a total loss so I took the canyon route home. a couple nice blasts in a safe area it's running great tho still puffing a little smoke on decel(and after a hot restart) Just crusing along in 3rd gear at 50 in what I *thought* was a 45 zone. Nope, CHP lit me up and pulled me over informing me that its a special enforcement zone set at 35:mad: I have nothing against Law Enforcement, I just don't like D!CK cops and he was a top shelf one. Made me pop the hood because he saw the wideband AF gauge and hood pins. As I was opening I was explaining that I've owned it 20 years and spent at least 10 of those doing a by-the-book motor swap and had visited 3 different BAR referee stations in the process. He was unimpressed and noticed the FWD adjustable cam gears right away(heck I bought them in black so they'd be Low Pro:() Informed me in his best a$$hole voice that they are not emissions compliant. I explained that the head had been milled and crack repaired and they are they only way to bring the timing back to stock specs. He was unimpressed, wrote me for no front plate and incorrect license address just to pile on some more insult. Anyway, it means the BAR state referee has to revalidate the conversion and since the AFPR, divorced WG downpipe, hybrid turbo, oversize IC and about 10 other things aren't gonna fly with the state inspectors that need to fail just such conversions to keep their jobs, looks like the TIII will have to come outta there. Not going back to carbureted tho, I have an all stock appearing Masi 16V set up that should get thru the process. The great state of KommieFornia for ya...

[Pat]

That is ridiculous...

[minigts]

Reason #13,934,943 not to live in CA as a resident. Alan when I move in, I will be retaining my permanent address here in TN for just such reasons of stupidity with enforcement.

[Vigo]

Reason #13,934,943 not to live in CA as a resident

Well put.

Hard to believe actually doing a motor swap to please the government, regardless of whether they 'require' it. Can you register it in another state? You can put it in my name if you want, and i wont even try to take off in it.

My county doesnt even have emissions testing. OR inspections of any kind if you choose to register it as an antique. :)

[ajakeski]

Register it here in Wisconsin as a collector vehicle. No emissions or renewal. It's a lifetime plate.
Use my address.
Better yet, I can rent you a condo and you can leave the Rampage in it's garage.

[Lotashelbys]

Register it here in Wisconsin as a collector vehicle. No emissions or renewal. It's a lifetime plate.
Use my address.
Better yet, I can rent you a condo and you can leave the Rampage in it's garage.

Yes,even better yet a WI Hobbyist plate. "sell" it to me and I will register it as that and you can not be touched as it says right on the title "vehicle is street modified" Then if anyone asks I had it shipped out to you to have you build it and tune it for me. If you get stopped just say its a long process to tune it and you have to drive it alot lol

[2.216VTurbo]

All good ideas and great offers guys:grouphug: Problem is if I get pulled over on a CA license and an outta state vehicle (you only have 5 days in CA to register a vehicle upon 'entering' the state) it raises a red flag as to where you live and why your car doesn't 'live with you' :( Active duty military and full time students are about the only exemptions I know of for these rules and neither of which I can provide proof of:mad: CA is just so tuner unfriendly, unless you have pre 1973 cars or less than 6 years old and don't need a smog certificate, you're F'd:mecry:

[j4278h]

time to find an inspector that is willing to take donations for his kids little league uniforms.

[cordes]

Man I'm really sorry to hear that Alan. I know that you've had that for a long time and did a lot of sweet custom work initially to make it happen in the first place.

[turbovanman²]

What a load of crap, sorry man, that really blows.

[SactoShadow]

What an -------. He obviously knows a little about cars, why is he trying to target enthusiasts???

[83scamp]

Reason #13,934,943 not to live in CA as a resident. Alan when I move in, I will be retaining my permanent address here in TN for just such reasons of stupidity with enforcement.


+1. I may not like Indiana winters, but at least I can modify my truck to my hearts content without worrying about the emissions Nazis..

Sorry about your situation Alan. I was really hoping to see that beast in person one day...

[contraption22]

This really gets me fired up.

[168glhs1986]

If you have family in another state just register it there and in their name.

There is no law in California saying you cant drive an out of state car that isn't yours is there?

F them you can figure this out...although the Masi sounds cool, I wouldn't risk it....they would likely ban that also.

[cordes]

If you have family in another state just register it there and in their name.

There is no law in California saying you cant drive an out of state car that isn't yours is there?

F them you can figure this out...although the Masi sounds cool, I wouldn't risk it....they would likely ban that also.

First they came for the TIII motor...

[OG_SRT4]

I think 1975 is the cut off now for emissions testing in Cali. One of the reasons I don't really want to mess with any big conversions on my Daytona. Would rather keep it simple like use water injection that I can easily pull off instead of adding an intercooler etc.
Even when I had a car with a 50 state legal supercharger kit I had trouble finding smog places that would inspect it.

[Ondonti]

California reminds of of Dave Chappelle's bit about Washington D.C. during the crack era. White people were looking at D.C. from Virginia with binoculars and saying "That looks dangerous, noooooot yet." So when I think about Califonia car laws....Nooooooot yet!

[Reaper1]

This is the number 1 reason I refuse to even look at a job in California. My wife doesn't understand this. At least in Washington if the car is 25 or older there are no more inspections.

[Ondonti]

This is the number 1 reason I refuse to even look at a job in California. My wife doesn't understand this. At least in Washington if the car is 25 or older there are no more inspections.

Well, there are no "looks" inspections or safety inspections at all. Just the sniffer and a pressure test which they may not do anymore. That and our cars will ALL be hitting the 25 year mark around the time CARB rolls into town and gets rid of our tailpipe sniffers. I don't see California giving the fun people out there a pass on their cars in the next 5 years. Your chassis is already legal right?

[OG_SRT4]

Isn't looking under the hood the same as a vehicle search, in which case you have to agree to it unless he thinks there is enough cause and makes you stand near his car while he goes thru yours?

[BadFastGTC]

Kommiefornia, that is funny, but true. Good luck comrade.

[turbovanman²]

Its going to get worse. Obama aparantly has banned the sale of Ex Military vehicles citing emissions and pre 2009 diesels are next.

[supercrackerbox]

This is another reason why I love Nebraska.

[Reaper1]

Its going to get worse. Obama aparantly has banned the sale of Ex Military vehicles citing emissions and pre 2009 diesels are next.

Not to start a political war (it's been done and there are other places to do it), however I love how 1 person is the catch-all for making stupid laws. Now I don't know when this legislation was written, how it's worded, etc. However I'm willing to bet that there were a WHOLE LOT of people with their fingers in that pie and it would have never happened if there wasn't money flowing into somebody's pocket.

Not selling used military vehicles to the public actually kind of makes sense to me. Why would you want to sell something that has armor on it, lax safety, lax emissions (yeah, I know...), has been beat to h#ll and back, and a lot of the time have unique parts that are not available to the general public? There are still going to be those that get out. Really, unless you are some sort of collector there really isn't any good reason to even want to own one of those vehicles.

I don't know jack about the diesel thing...something sounds fishy about that. Again...money flowing like the Amazon into somebody's pocket...

[cordes]

Not to start a political war (it's been done and there are other places to do it), however I love how 1 person is the catch-all for making stupid laws. Now I don't know when this legislation was written, how it's worded, etc. However I'm willing to bet that there were a WHOLE LOT of people with their fingers in that pie and it would have never happened if there wasn't money flowing into somebody's pocket.

Not selling used military vehicles to the public actually kind of makes sense to me. Why would you want to sell something that has armor on it, lax safety, lax emissions (yeah, I know...), has been beat to h#ll and back, and a lot of the time have unique parts that are not available to the general public? There are still going to be those that get out. Really, unless you are some sort of collector there really isn't any good reason to even want to own one of those vehicles.

I don't know jack about the diesel thing...something sounds fishy about that. Again...money flowing like the Amazon into somebody's pocket...

That is a dark and treaturous path to travel down. I don't recommend it.

[contraption22]

Not to start a political war (it's been done and there are other places to do it), however I love how 1 person is the catch-all for making stupid laws. Now I don't know when this legislation was written, how it's worded, etc. However I'm willing to bet that there were a WHOLE LOT of people with their fingers in that pie and it would have never happened if there wasn't money flowing into somebody's pocket.

Not selling used military vehicles to the public actually kind of makes sense to me. Why would you want to sell something that has armor on it, lax safety, lax emissions (yeah, I know...), has been beat to h#ll and back, and a lot of the time have unique parts that are not available to the general public? There are still going to be those that get out. Really, unless you are some sort of collector there really isn't any good reason to even want to own one of those vehicles.

I don't know jack about the diesel thing...something sounds fishy about that. Again...money flowing like the Amazon into somebody's pocket...

I have the a very good reason to own a former military vehicle. I have what should be considered the best and only reason I should need to own one in a free republic. That reason is... because I want one.

[Oggie Fisher]

DoD has never allowed surplus Humvees to be sold to civilians. If you wanted one you had to buy a civilian one from AM General.

[cordes]

DoD has never allowed surplus Humvees to be sold to civilians. If you wanted one you had to buy a civilian one from AM General.

I haven't looked into the original claim in this thread, but I assumed that they were talking about the duce and a halfs etc. that have become popular over the last couple of years. It's a bit of a crap shoot, but you can score a really nice one for about 1500. You could also get one that leaks from every orifice for the same price. Guys are snapping them up to use on the farm or just to run in parades etc. There is a guy here in town who looks to have one of the 5 ton trucks that he's turned into a tow rig for his business.

[Reaper1]

I have the a very good reason to own a former military vehicle. I have what should be considered the best and only reason I should need to own one in a free republic. That reason is... because I want one.

We may be arguing a moot point because unless someone actually knows what the law actually says. If they are talking about tanks, armored personnel carriers and such, to me that makes prefect sense. If it includes stuff like Malibu's or Caravans, then yeah, that's pretty dumb.

[contraption22]

I'd like to have a tank. I should be allowed to buy one.

[cordes]

I'd like to have a tank. I should be allowed to buy one.

A friend of mine's father has always had a host of tanks and armored vehicles. IIRC there are several collector's associations for them. He also had machine guns lying all over the house when we were kids too. Good times.

[Reaper1]

I know there are tanks and such in collections. Heck, I have one not too far from where I live! I think those have to be registered to a collector or museum. (I'm speculating here...being perfectly honest) I know old Arnold Schwarzenegger has his own tank, but I think it's one from Austria that he imported here (I'd have to watch the videos again). Anyway, point being: so it's totally cool for absolutely anybody that meets the gun ownership laws to be able to buy serious heavy ex-military equipment. Hmmm....what about that just screams "HORRIBLY BAD IDEA"!! If people can make civilian planes, rental trucks, backpacks, etc into mass destruction devices against the innocent masses, what is going to happen when some nutjob gets a hold of something way more serious that was purposely built to exact deadly, devastating destruction against an enemy and turns it on Anywhere, USA? Does anybody remember the episode of COPS where the guy stole a tank and just demolished everything in his path...and would have kept going had he not high-sided the tank. What happens when that is a privately owned vehicle? I think you should be able to have whatever gun collection you like, you should be able to carry those guns, you should be able to protect yourself and your property with force (within sane reason). I do NOT think anybody can just go to an auction for surplus military equipment and drive out in a supposedly "neutered" heavy, armored vehicle is a good idea.

Of course this is my sole opinion and does not reflect the opinions and beliefs of Turbo-Mopar or any of its other members, supporters, advertisers, or vendors. YMMV

[contraption22]

You bring up a good point. If somebody wanted to they could kill thousands of people using a backpack or envelopes.... so why not allow me to have a tank?

Anyway, this thread is about ridiculous emissions laws...

[cordes]

You bring up a good point. If somebody wanted to they could kill thousands of people using a backpack or envelopes.... so why not allow me to have a tank?

Anyway, this thread is about ridiculous emissions laws...

And ridiculous laws gets what we have here. No need for a tank when you've got access to a kill dozer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA

[83scamp]

Anyway, this thread is about ridiculous emissions laws...


You're absolutely right. Because we all know that Alan's TIII Rampage puts out far fewer emissons than that "Legal" Suburban that pulls up next to him(or the cop car that pulled him over). They are laws put in place by tree hugging fruit cakes that think we should all be driving a Prius, or Tesla...

[cordes]

You're absolutely right. Because we all know that Alan's TIII Rampage puts out far fewer emissons than that "Legal" Suburban that pulls up next to him(or the cop car that pulled him over). They are laws put in place by tree hugging fruit cakes that think we should all be driving a Prius, or Tesla...

How much energy to we use to mine the platinum for the catalytic converters so supposedly lower emissions? Sometimes what feels good isn't really good for you.

[83scamp]

How much energy to we use to mine the platinum for the catalytic converters so supposedly lower emissions? Sometimes what feels good isn't really good for you.


Absolutely! My Scamp hasn't had a cat in at least 15 years. It idles a little rich, and barks like a mad dog when you romp on it. I love hearing the echo of my rappy exhaust when I get on it going through town...

[86Shelby]

Best of luck, Allan! I'd love to see CARB allow it back on the road. I've love it even better if vehicles 25+ years old could have more lax requirements, perhaps more like the midwest where nobody cares.

[going4speed]

Anyone measure the emissions a Tesla puts out when it catches fire? Bet its more than 10 TD's worth.

[Dr. Johny Dodge]

How much energy to we use to mine the platinum for the catalytic converters so supposedly lower emissions? Sometimes what feels good isn't really good for you.

cats don't lower emissions they just burn the byproducts into smaller particles that rise higher in the atmosphere thus createing acid rain

but this does reduce ground level smog

air pumps blowing freash air into the exhaust to thin the exhaust gasses always seemed a bad joke to me to

[Reaper1]

Emissions laws are made by people who have found a way to grab more money out of the pockets of regular Joe's (aka us). It's wrong to say that vehicles don't add much to the overall emissions around the world, but they do contribute. If the people who draw up these laws really actually cared about the climate they wouldn't focus so much on the small stuff, but more on the large stuff...aka big manufacturing, etc. The problem with doing that is it takes money out of THEIR pockets, hence why even if these huge companies make a gigantic mess someplace they get a small slap on the wrist (comparatively).

The absolute perfect proof that emissions tests and laws are total money grabs is what happened to my dad (he lives in Maryland). He took his car in for his testing and forgot he had put in some injector cleaner in the tank of gas he was running at the time. The car failed the test and they gave him a ridiculously long list of repairs that were "mandatory" and had to be done by a state licensed repair shop. The repairs were estimated over $1500. He ran that tank out, put new gas in, retested the car and it passed with flying colors...no repairs. What a bunch of BS.

Anyway, we all agree that emissions laws are total crap, and the way they are enforced is a total racket.

[Vigo]

Not to start a political war (it's been done and there are other places to do it), however I love how 1 person is the catch-all for making stupid laws. Now I don't know when this legislation was written, how it's worded, etc. However I'm willing to bet that there were a WHOLE LOT of people with their fingers in that pie and it would have never happened if there wasn't money flowing into somebody's pocket.

There is a very abbreviated way to convey that paragraph. It's called the "Thanks, Obama!" meme and it is ubiquitous.

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[johnl]

The manufacturers of the smog test equipment lobby the regulators to force smog test shops to buy/lease new equipment that costs 10s of thousands of dollars long before their old equipment needs to be replaced.


I imagine that the salesmen give token/nominal "credit" on the old machines toward the new mandatory machine and then the manufacturer re-furbishes and re-sells the now "ex-CA" machine to smog shops/techs in other states, those other states being 5 years behind CA in the cycle of the smog machine racket.

http://www.bestbuyautoequipment.com/Smog-Machine-s/298.htm#

Notice - the latest CA certified machine is sold on a "call for pricing" basis and many of the rest of them, sold in other states, run $15K.

http://www.bestbuyautoequipment.com/worldwide-smog-machine-calif-cert-2012-windows-7-p/worldwide-eis-5000.htm

That link is for a discounted 2012 CA model - only $30K - presumably because the "we are only acting in the public interest dontcha know" angels at the state will outlaw it effective 1/1/17.

Anyone who swallows the "public servants are less corrupt than profit seekers" line is poisoned.


Then there's all the other wasteful junk that gets sold too -

http://smogqueen.com/


Thanks to the watermelon statists. Green on the outside, Red on the inside.

I got money that says the manufacturers donate to one party . . . . . any takers?

[cordes]

They donate to the libertarians right?

[tommyturbo]

I wanted to share my thoughts if I may. First I am all about seeing carb, epa, smog checks go away. At the same time I am curious....why not hide your mods and not invite suspicion? Like put the timing belt cover on, use vac or other lines that look stock, avoid the braided colorful anodized stuff, etc. Same thing with the hood pins.

[cordes]

I wanted to share my thoughts if I may. First I am all about seeing carb, epa, smog checks go away. At the same time I am curious....why not hide your mods and not invite suspicion? Like put the timing belt cover on, use vac or other lines that look stock, avoid the braided colorful anodized stuff, etc. Same thing with the hood pins.

I'm guessing that you haven't seen Alan's stuff in real life. He's all about stock appearing stealth looks.

[tommyturbo]

I have seen some of his stuff, not all of it. But in his own words he says the cop noticed the hood pins and the adjustable cam gears...so obviously it is not totally hidden. I'm just saying why draw suspicion? Trust me I hate smog Nazi's.

[2.216VTurbo]

Fiberglass hood from the IMSA race team FTL?

[Ondonti]

This thread started to suck real bad but I would point out that.....

If its an executive order, don't bother looking up a law the legislature passed. Its all Obeezy. Most of the stuff he is involved in is not signing of bills but of sending out memos that he is tired of checks and balances.

Some people here give a thumbs up to it but would actually be annoyed if they lived in an urban area. On a fun mass transportation note, some cousins were visiting 2 weeks ago and had to get a ride to the airport instead of their planned mass transit salvation when a Seattle cop murdered another person which shut down a station. No problems in paradise!

[bakes]

Alan why not put a 3.0l v6 5sp in almost a bolt in . then when repassed put a power adder on it