Factory Consulier/Mosler RACE cars

[Johnny]

I'll start this out with tis one…..(kind of a before and after)

[168glhs1986]

Love that car. I think Radical mag have copied it. And shocker radical is one of the fastest cars on the planet.

[Rrider]

Thats a shame if those bodies got trashed. I would have paid to ship them here if I knew they were going to do that..

Here is the slick 50 GTP from a supercar series race in '92.

[Johnny]

Here is the slick 50 GTP from a supercar series race in '92.

Interesting, the stock style mirrors are gone and a little one on the upper part of the door added. Guess they didn't worry too much what was behind them.

[Millerman340]

Here's a few for you.. I have a few cool ones but apparently I just cannot download them on turbo mopar I have to put them in Photobucket or something else I hate that about this site

[Johnny]

Just hit "go advanced" to add a photo!

[Millerman340]

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o32/millerman340/Mobile%20Uploads/20140308_125050_zpsdf832908.jpg (http://s116.photobucket.com/user/millerman340/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140308_125050_zpsdf832908.jpg.html)

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[168glhs1986]

Wow that Raptor is rare. Assuming it was Warrens car? Was this taken in Florida?

[player1up]

I saw the write up in the local paper the day after the show, yes local Orlando owner. It's Ronnie's car.
I had mine at the "Taste of Oviedo" show, otherwise there would have been another Consulier at that show.

[Reaper1]

Were those recent pictures or from "back in the day"? They look recent given the wheels.

[player1up]

Pics of the Raptor and Targa are from this past weekend.

[Chris W]

The red one is for sale for $40k.

Chris-TU

[GTP#44]

The blue Raptor is beautiful...!
I remember the time Jacob (Warrens son) set up all the old Consulier frames up in the parking lot to use as corner markers.
Then turned the lot into a race track.
He was racing his Chump cars ,Mt 900's and Consuliers around the parking lot....till the city got wind of it Mosler is not very hidden away.
You can find some video of them racing in the parking lot on You Tube.
Kind of sad that they all got trashed.

[Millerman340]

yes that was last weekend, the owner of the cars is a very cool guy a real car guy my new best friend!

[Millerman340]

just a heads up they will be in the Speedway show in Daytona this coming weekend. Will be in the RV parking lot in the infield that has the fence around it....

[player1up]

What show is that? I can't find any reference to it on the web. I thought the spring turkey rod run is 28-30th

[Reaper1]

Man...you guys are making me jealous. I wish I could afford to fly out. Of ALL the time I lived in Florida, it figures that now that I'm gone all this cool car stuff is happening.

[player1up]

What?, 2 car shows in 3 weeks! Man am I getting sick of this...:evil:

Yeah, you'd think with how nice the weather is most of the year that FL would have had tons of car stuff going on forever. Seems like it's taken off over the last 4-5 yrs, but even more so in the last year. When I finished my Duster 7yrs ago I searched relentlessly and there were only 3-4 major events a year and most seemed to fall on some weekend when I had "previous commitments" lol

"previous commitments"= plans the wife made that I couldn't get out of.

[Millerman340]

yes the spring run.

[jacob mosler]

someone email me about florida car shows with mosler cars! i would love to come out!

yes it is true about the "race track" ( very technical track ! )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5C1oeZlMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwxrwZYxMlQ

[player1up]

Jacob, Super cool to see you're on the forum! Ronnie had his cars out at the Winter Park Concours last November ( blue raptor and red targa )
I've had mine out to some shows, but I'm staying pretty local to Orlando. Seems like whenever I have it out for long hauls , I break stuff.
Last time it was the cat rattling around and turning sideways in the exhaust, time before that was the alt locking up. Right now I've got a weird squeak that sounds like a dry u-joint and I sure don't want that thing coming apart on the hwy.
I try to get out to the monthly downtown winter park show, but I've been busy fixing stuff lately.
I'll definitely let you know when I'll be out at the next fairly large show.

[Rrider]

This is a screen cap from the Motor Trend Mosler interview showing some of the GTP race cars. Wonder where this is..

[jacob mosler]

This is a screen cap from the Motor Trend Mosler interview showing some of the GTP race cars. Wonder where this is..

super top secret location

[168glhs1986]

super top secret location

Take you shoe off and dial 825 for the password.

[Reaper1]

Nah...more like "561" ;)

[WoodyShadow]

Anybody else see all the composite van bodies in the videos?

[GTP#44]

This is a screen cap from the Motor Trend Mosler interview showing some of the GTP race cars. Wonder where this is..
Look at #19 and #69 close .
It looks like #19 has some kind of connection for headlight covers.
I have been dreaming of how to make some that blend in well....they will have to be removable, my dream does not see clear covers.
Sheet fiberglass is made in many thicknesses easily cut and finished.
I am having the car painted soon and it would be good to paint them at the same time.
A trip to this warehouse is in the near future I have a good connection to get in.
I will be sure to take lots of pictures.

[GTP#44]

Anybody else see all the composite van bodies in the videos?
Warren wanted to make UPS electric powered in the early 90's.
The van bodies were made for that purpose it did not go to far ...great idea they leave from one spot and could return for charging.
Watch (Death of the Electric Car) and learn a lot and be pissed off at the government at the end of the movie.

[Rrider]

Early nineties was too early for decent batteries.

If you're going opaque on the covers, make them big so they overlap the light cutout on every side. Maybe some 1/32" lexan that can flex along with the body curve. I was thinking adhesive some mounting tabs on so you don't have to drill the body.

PICS!!!! Waiting for pics.

[Johnny]

Randy sent this photo to me to post. Race car with headlight and signal covers.

http://www.consuliergtp.com/photos/gtpracecar.jpg


My notice was also where the circles are....same as mine.

[OmniLuvr]

^is there a crap load of rear camber on that race car?

[Johnny]

I saw that too, was thinking it was a photo distortion.

[GTP#44]

I saw that too, was thinking it was a photo distortion.
I dug it out and looked they look better in the photo.
I was mostly interested in the cool covers .
Not loving the screws but that does make them removable...easily.
And an extra sweet porn stash.....in that pic.

[Rrider]

Heres a silver one, don't know if its been posted before in one of the other pics. There is a dark blue one in the pack in the Miami 1992 race but its hard to see.

There is some video on youtube of some of the 93 and later supercar series stuff after the GTPs left if you want to see the guys they ran against in action.

[Rrider]

Here is a side view of the slick 50 car. I tried doing 964/lotus/callaway video searches for 92 and prior supercar races but no dice.

[Reaper1]

I wonder if that car has a TIII in it? I noticed that it has the same scoop on the engine cover as Warren's TIII car.

[168glhs1986]

Great pcs guys. Does the Shelby 19 car have air jaks? Or is tt the battery cutoff?

Looks lie the Slick50 car is T3. I heard there were 3 race dars with the t3????

[player1up]

warning... zombie thread :)

So...does anyone out there have photoshop skills? and does said person want to come up with some ideas for race livery?

I'd love to see one that's setup like a factory sponsored car with some awesome graphics. hint hint, just sayin

One thing that's better than seeing a race car on the street is seeing a race car on the street in full race garb.

[Rrider]

Slick50 car.. not a big fan of yellow, but that series2 with the big logo on the side looks great!

[polopharm]

Hey johnny what was the livery of the red IMSA car you saw in Oregon?

[Johnny]

Here is one shot.

[polopharm]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/011d66d763877ec55bda7009b02777a8.jpg
Thats from an Italian car magazine. Similar scheme to mine. I like those mirrors, I grabbed a pair from rossion

[polopharm]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/7da4811c49cfc488d24235a42a4ff20a.jpg

And another similar
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/2e9c55a8288486c99a336166c0464193.jpg
They like number 19

[168glhs1986]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/011d66d763877ec55bda7009b02777a8.jpg
Thats from an Italian car magazine. Similar scheme to mine. I like those mirrors, I grabbed a pair from rossion

T3 baby! And look at those meaty tires

[player1up]

T3 baby! And look at those meaty tires

Are those staggered sizes? Fronts looks smaller, but it's probably just being hidden by the front fender.

Does anyone else think it would be freaking awesome to have one of those shirts she's wearing?

[polopharm]

I was thinking the same thing about the shirts , gotta see if randy ' s girlfriend knows what was on the front.
It looks the the wheels are staggered in size and maybe offset too

[168glhs1986]

That's it, I'm bringing back the challenge. 100k for any stock production car built in 1991 or before to anyone who beats my "stock" GTP around the track

Great idea about the shirt.

[GTP#44]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/011d66d763877ec55bda7009b02777a8.jpg
Thats from an Italian car magazine. Similar scheme to mine. I like those mirrors, I grabbed a pair from rossion


I see helmets on those guys and it looks like there is plenty of room above them.
Wonder what seats they have..?

[GLHNSLHT2]

no sunroof is why???

[Rrider]

That looks to be a VERY late car also, with the intruder squinty eyes. Revised moulds, possibly changes in the seating area?

[GTP#44]

Maybe they are sitting on the floor.
there is no way I could wear a helmet in my car set up the way it is.

I am sending a copy of that picture to my friend at Country Tees in Jupiter they should have enough to remake that shirt
I plan to put the red Consulier logo with "CONSULIER" under it in black on the front pocket area.
Only thing is how many to order...?
I was thinking about 24 or so .
Pretty sure I can sell a few to someone here.
if you are interested let me know the size you want.

[polopharm]

I will take 4. Preferably not white!!
Let me know if you want a better copy of the picture or if you wanna borrow the original.

[OmniLuvr]

Maybe they are sitting on the floor.

or short? driver looks pretty close to the steering wheel also. im 5'3", i can fit in any car with a helmet on, but reaching the pedals sucks for me sometimes... thats why i drive l-bodys.

[168glhs1986]

I'm 5'10 and fit ine in my series 2 with stock seats and helmet. Im thinking series 1 and 2 molds have different roof line clearences.

What shirts Randy?

[onerippinturbo2]

That's it, I'm bringing back the challenge. 100k for any stock production car built in 1991 or before to anyone who beats my "stock" GTP around the track

Great idea about the shirt.
the new fuel filter removed it from it's "stock" status......

[jacob mosler]

T3 baby! And look at those meaty tires

that car is on st croix

i believe it is the shelby knock off. im not sure off the top of my head.

[Rrider]

Here is an action clip showing unnamed driver in the hammerhead race car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w-n03lmXRdk#t=307


(https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w-n03lmXRdk#t=307)

[jacob mosler]

Here is an action clip showing unnamed driver in the hammerhead race car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w-n03lmXRdk#t=307


(https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w-n03lmXRdk#t=307)


yeah yeah...

[Rrider]

Just teasing because I'm jealous as hell.. but seriously I think that is the only video clip I've ever seen of a GTP on track.

[player1up]

Just teasing because I'm jealous as hell.. but seriously I think that is the only video clip I've ever seen of a GTP on track.

Seriously who's had their car out to the track and recorded it? You'd think that at least one of us has a go-pro or something.

[jacob mosler]

Just teasing because I'm jealous as hell.. but seriously I think that is the only video clip I've ever seen of a GTP on track.

ill be posting another soon, its of me spinning going into 10a at road atlanta last weekend.

[polopharm]

My footage shows my freeze plug blowing and the tow truck coming...

[jacob mosler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZS4nTS6Yg

[polopharm]

It's hard to see that turn even coming up.

[player1up]

...got an action cam for Christmas...now I have to get out to a track

[jacob mosler]

Update on the consulier intruder GT1 restore. Trying to be ready for a Daytona track day in April.

Trans out

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160204/a3c542aad107e27b04c86c1d5d374ac5.jpg

And the engine out

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160204/470000fd2bb3d60d130a91734d7c3c2b.jpg

[MPI_duster]

Looks good

[Oggie Fisher]

What kind of FI on the LT1?

[jacob mosler]

What kind of FI on the LT1?


i believe it was wired for a motec m8, but i rewired it for m800.

the block is a Rodeck, im not sure of the internals yet, when it comes back from TEC ill post it. we think its around 420 CI, and puts out 750-800 hp.

the trans is a hewland VGC. They were built for GTP and CANAM cars of the early 90's i believe.

[polopharm]

Starting to work on this now. Build thread to follow. Factory built IMSA car. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160327/8ba6959b72ad7d089b4a34a05c2752cd.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160327/30eacc97c5eef1487b6ed0c65e93bfad.jpg
On the way home , and then getting some respect.

[polopharm]

Stuck some new cheapo Chinese tires on so I can roll it around shop easier.

Not sure what to start first ,
will be doing - full suspension rebuild, all new brakes , re-wire,

Choose and install engine. Likely do a t2 for parts availability, gonna run to rossion n check out the NOS engines left.

Down the road,- replace fire system , seat- gotta see which seat sits lowest for more helmet room.
Obviously the list will grow.

Taking blue car to track tomorrow night.

[player1up]

That's quite a stable you have there . Consulier looks right at home. Sounds / looks like that series 2 has some interesting options ( fire system, dual wipers, engine cover intake ). Congrats!

[polopharm]

The note in car says "Chet Filip" , has full roll cage etc.
The stable of cars is part of a business venture - high end car storage and rental.
Need to store your Lambo? Only use it 2 days a year? We store them and also offer some as short term rentals ( with a very very large insurance policy)
The Gtp get more attention then all the rest.

[polopharm]

Took blue car out for a track day tonight. Super powerful with the t3. Had boost way down to start -8 lbs. Moved it up to 18 at highest
What a blast. Steady at 135 mph. Great brakes.
Very neutral handling.
Had one spin/off track incident. Trying to push it too hard on street tires.
I keep waiting for the over steer and it was nothing like the bmw in that regard. Also easy to correct when you start to slide.

All in all it was a super positive experience. Thanks johnny for all the bushings etc.

[polopharm]

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[wheming]

Nice!

[player1up]

....is the front inside tire off the ground in that first pic? Looks like you had a blast!

[polopharm]

Yes and yes. it was a lot of fun.
Car was pretty easy on tires too. My Bmw burns thru them much faster.

[polopharm]

Started plugging away on red race car. While blue car is apart , made molds of the belly pan and engine cover http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160421/92be57a221ed4b148181618c1fd8d852.jpg

Going to Rossion to grab a couple of the NOS engines and tranny ' s
Also think I found the original engine to this car , and feshly rebuilt ( circa 1992)http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160421/f63cd226b45680eee3a768f7dfbf28eb.jpg

[bfarroo]

Are those freshly molded parts then?

[polopharm]

Yes. Took them off blue car. My buddy builds bodies for Honda factory tube framed cars. ( they have a mid engine tube framed " prius " he is finishing!!)

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[jacob mosler]

some passes in the Hammer Head at daytona at a track day/ ferrari club event about a week ago.



https://www.instagram.com/p/BETNB26SIOm/?taken-by=jacobmosler (https://www.instagram.com/p/BETNB26SIOm/?taken-by=jacobmosler)

[Johnny]

Nice...must feel good passing Ferrari's.

[Reaper1]

Looks like a blast!

Jacob, what ever happened to your custom Dakota? I remember seeing it on one of the car shows on TV a LONG time ago (it was blue IIRC).

[Chris W]

nice...must feel good passing ferraris in a vehicle with your family name on it

fixed!

[jacob mosler]

Looks like a blast!

Jacob, what ever happened to your custom Dakota? I remember seeing it on one of the car shows on TV a LONG time ago (it was blue IIRC).


its here at my shop. it now has a 528 hemi with an 871 blower :D

[Reaper1]

Nice! Didn't it use Caravan taillights positioned kinda wonky? Got any current pics? (although maybe this is the wrong place for them...so maybe I start a different thread if so?)

[jacob mosler]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160427/a247f88b6bcb70542e55237f0ffc711f.jpg

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[Johnny]

^^^ Interesting mezzanine!

[polopharm]

Grabbed 2 NOS series 2 engine/a555 from Rossion today. Was a ----- , upper container , pallet broke on fork lift ,,,

Also found a NOS with automatic.

Did not have a chance to scavenge too much else today.

Plus I think we found original engine for the red race car. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160427/21c8c681b489140b0daf8e05ccedc055.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160427/0f09ab4dea653fc53fc60d6f7d50c67a.jpg
Original Mopar receipt/warranty ,
And a rebuild tag on the other. ( fresh engine in 1990!)

All turn freely and look perfect inside head n oil pan.



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[wheming]

Great score!
Curious, What did they want for one of those drivetrains?

[polopharm]

Getting engine bay sorted. Going to drop subframe, paint it etc.
Sorting out engine n plumbing to follow. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160430/bc11006b9d73adb7070b6b818040aa90.jpg

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[polopharm]

Trial fitting some body panels. Easier said then done. But I guess thats to be expected with a hand made custom car.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160501/77935070553786ff34f37a801573196b.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160501/073c0e989b37d0dcb0940a96b8ab1a5e.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160501/acbea10f92ae495e824a92d836683cf5.jpg
To me , thats the money shot. Tell me that is not a great, aggressive looking car!

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[GLHNSLHT2]

so what's the scoop supposed to feed???

[polopharm]

Thats for the intercooler. All the race cars had them to move more air. The side vent below is cold air, the opposite side is the oil cooler.


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[GLHNSLHT2]

so they moved the intercooler???? cause I thought the factory lower scoop fed the intercooler???

[polopharm]

It did. But this got more air flow to intercooler, more air to intake and more cool air to the oil cooler.
With no a/c condensor, it freed up more space.

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[polopharm]

I know its silly but after fitting the panels we compounded , buffed and waxed car. I dont think the car will need any paint at all. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160502/6d757ab12412baf30638a67fbd392c19.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160502/9e59b62049fbf0884ea42ac46a9f6f98.jpgbefore

Now -http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160502/ca47b07f4f6fd150462d2fb4147a4df2.jpg

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[Johnny]

Looking good!

[wheming]

Love it!
The pics finally came up for me!
BTW, does it not have a radiator in those shots?

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[polopharm]

Radiator is out getting recored , and a second row of fins.

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[polopharm]

Revolution 3 piece wheels - bead blasted, ready to polish barrels and paint magnesium centers http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160502/a71b3e89e396a23b3ed4eb24af526375.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160502/f4ccdc758ea5e96d50669bf7b9e9e722.jpg

Before http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160502/005c22b8a651a25d53aaeb7676455453.jpg


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[Johnny]

Where did you find those rare gems?
What size are they?

[polopharm]

They are 15"x8 , fronts and 15x 9 rears. They ran 225 /15 all 4 corners.

Those are from the deepest darkest recesses of the worst container at Rossion
They were on the factory race cars.

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[GLHNSLHT2]

225's on a 9" rim??? going for the Hella Flush look? seems like too narrow of a tire for that rim width IMO.

[polopharm]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160503/c77324486b9decee95270206ca642d47.jpg

225 -8" , 9" look at how much rubber is on the road.

Look at the hammer head same deal

This one is 205 on 8's , 225 on 9"
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160503/77528fffb32e3a4520d9a5604b9183bf.jpg

Standard racecar deal. Maximize contact patch with road.

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[cordes]

three piece wheels? Magnesium? Holy moley. I'm a bit jealous. I can't wait to see the finished product.

[Johnny]

I have 4 Revolution wheels in the 8 inch wide I have autocross tires on.

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225x50x15 tires.

[jacob mosler]

They are 15"x8 , fronts and 15x 9 rears. They ran 225 /15 all 4 corners.

Those are from the deepest darkest recesses of the worst container at Rossion
They were on the factory race cars.

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he aint kidding.

[GLHNSLHT2]

If you could take some pics after they're installed I'd love to see the tire-wheel sidewall ratio you end up with.


http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160503/c77324486b9decee95270206ca642d47.jpg

225 -8" , 9" look at how much rubber is on the road.

Look at the hammer head same deal

This one is 205 on 8's , 225 on 9"
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160503/77528fffb32e3a4520d9a5604b9183bf.jpg

Standard racecar deal. Maximize contact patch with road.

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[polopharm]

Will do. This is one of the 8" wheels with the original slicks on it. 225 50 15.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160504/da5259ef73c1ba399650122d8e7423c3.jpg

[polopharm]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160504/dae8feea2d64af188dc47f92ef8734e9.jpg

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[polopharm]

Wheels done http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160504/1808c9a22b6d9d1aadf4b6ef4eab03ad.jpg

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[Johnny]

Mine are Revolution wheels but are a one piece design.

[Rrider]

Nice, jealous here too. Those are way cooler than anything made recently could be.

I had 14" 1 piece revolutions years back. Strong & light wheels, wish I kept them..

[polopharm]

Yeah johnny those are cool.
Thats why i am a hoarder. Todays trash tomorrow's treasure. Or as my wife thinks - tomorrow's trash too.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160506/44348daf10392f726126cec8d2b8aae7.jpg
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This from a rotten box at Rossion.
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[polopharm]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160507/27901253262e629ab5ab1f0ae689580e.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160507/372e5dda46dfe62186ec730857509f39.jpg
Nice cart. Too bad i dont have that car to go with it.

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[polopharm]

Started pulling apart Suspension on the red race car.
Couple quick differences to note - the a arms front and rear and the rocker arms are all aluminum. They do not have typical rubber/poly bushings. The are sleeved metal bearings. All points are hard fixed to eliminate any slop, surprisingly the motor mounts are not solid , i am debating going to a solid mount , or go with johnny's poly mounts. and it maintains the stock bobble strut.
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Stock on the right , aluminum on the left , next picture stock, last picture from race car.
Weight on aluminum with the bearings and bolts is still lighter then the stock rocker alone.
Brakes are stock but have all stainless lines. Master cylinder is stock.

Steering rack is a quick turn limited turning radius non-power rack.

Some of the race cars have straight cut gears , but i have no idea about that yet.
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[polopharm]

The door hinges are like the series 2 , double hinges but they have been machined to remove as much metal as possible.
It appears the cage is chromoly due to wall thickness.
More pictures to follow.

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[bfarroo]

You'll be happy with Johnny's mounts. I have them on few of my cars and they eliminate 95% of the engine movement but still allow a little bit of give to keep vibration down over a solid mount. Plus way easier to install than fabbing up solid mounts. I have a set for my consulier but it will probably be a year before they get installed.

[speeddemon]

Please tell me more about the process for disassembling/reassembling the revolution wheels. I have a set also that need some cleanup. Was afraid to take them apart.

Did you use new hardware?
Torque values for the hardware?
Torque pattern?
Balancing?

Thanks in advance.

[polopharm]

So mine were totally rusted.
I used pb blaster, an impact gun , and an allen wrench to loosen hardware.

Once all the hardware was off , i used a rubber mallet to separate the 3 sections.
I removed all gaskets and silicone.

Bead blasted centers, polished barrels n lips.
Powder coating is not recommended.

I used all new BBS hardware , it is slightly bigger then the original, so i drilled out the holes(m6 vs m8) used clear rvt silicone to seal centers , and applied between barrel and lip. Masking tape around barrels/lips to keep rtv in place.

Bolts applied in a star pattern , first torqued all to 10 , then start again and go to 20.
Allow rtv to dry, then pull off masking tape.

Thats it. I had someone else paint and polish them.

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[jacob mosler]

hammerhead will be racing this weekend at road atlanta. come out and say hi!

[polopharm]

Just got a wilwood big brake kit from Tce( what Mike put on blue car) , for the race car. They are amazing. Will be even better with some cooling ducts.

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[polopharm]

Plan is to strip car completely apart , rebuild everything back to make it a roller - all Suspension brakes etc.
Simultaneously going to strip all stock wiring and run a completely new harness,
Then start on engine n tranny.
The car came w tranny but no engine.
I found the original engine for this car ( freshly rebuilt in 1992)
Plan is stand alone engine management, individual coil packs , n see how we do.
I have 4 of the NOS stock engine and tranny's for when this one blows up on me.

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[polopharm]

Big brake kit - a couple people asked why bother , and what are the benefits when stock brakes are pretty good -
1- no race compound pads are available , only semi- metallic street pads.
2- these pads glaze and fade under consistent hard braking.
3- with the wilwood it takes longer to pull a wheel then to change pads.
4- brake bias is adjustable , my car had too much up front not enough in back.
5- the big brakes stop way better. Period.
Cost is high , relatively, with adaptor to bolt onto knuckles and with stainless lines it just under 2k.

But with the weight of the car , and in the case of the blue car , with so much power, it's nice to be able to out accelerate and out brake the other drivers.

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[DaveSkrab]

I will add to the "stock brake pad" statement, you can order pads in multiple different compounds from porterfield.

[Reaper1]

You can also get pads in different compounds from Carbotech. I have run both Porterfield and Carbotech

[polopharm]

I couldn't find them , so that's good to know. I know I couldn't get hawks , but I remember something like I could get for the front but not back or vice versa. I could be totally wrong.

So maybe outside of track use , it's not necessary.
When my friend the scca gtl national champion drove the red car his only real complaint was brakes.
The difference between my old red car to the blue car was extreme.
You can't argue with bigger discs and calipers.
But again it depends on use.

I do know that stock I could flat spot front tires(fully lock the wheels) but have minimal rear wheel brake, and there is no bias adjustment.

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[MPI_duster]

Plan is to strip car completely apart , rebuild everything back to make it a roller - all Suspension brakes etc.
Simultaneously going to strip all stock wiring and run a completely new harness,
Then start on engine n tranny.
The car came w tranny but no engine.
I found the original engine for this car ( freshly rebuilt in 1992)
Plan is stand alone engine management, individual coil packs , n see how we do.
I have 4 of the NOS stock engine and tranny's for when this one blows up on me.

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Currently getting Fueltech Ft500 stand alone installed on my car. Down the road probably coil packs, but this system is supposed to work with the stock reluctors in the distributor. Will report back when it's done.

[polopharm]

Sounds good. Keep me posted on how it works. Are u able to diyno tune it?

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[DaveSkrab]

Totally agree on larger brakes, and only suggest the porterfield, and as Reaper mentioned Carbotech, as options to help close the gap a lil.

[Johnny]

I installed the larger mini van front brakes on mine. Now the rears need a little more. Sure, the daytona or mini van front brakes work back there too but then you don't have a parking brake.

[Reaper1]

I will say this, that in order to get the pads for our cars from Porterfield or Carbotech, I had to call. It wasn't something they advertised.

I do agree that larger brakes are almost always better. I was just throwing out options for stock...just in case.

[MPI_duster]

Sounds good. Keep me posted on how it works. Are u able to diyno tune it?

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Yes, it will be dyno tuned with numbers when i get it back.

[jacob mosler]

for what its worth, i race the hammerhead with cheap semi metallics from carquest, and have no fading or glazing problems.

[player1up]

for what its worth, i race the hammerhead with cheap semi metallics from carquest, and have no fading or glazing problems.

I don't race my car, but drive the car hard enough to have only gotten about 4000 miles out of the last set of tires. I've also yet to have any sort of problems with the brakes aside from the tendency to lock up the front if jabbed.
I was going to ask some of the guys what specific problems they were having or trying to overcome with the brake upgrades.

[polopharm]

My first car would have brake fade , especially at a track with a long straight, then a 90" turn at the end.
So going from say 155 mph down to 65 , each lap.
I would over heat the brakes, burn the fluid etc.
I had a ball clencher moment when the fade + burnt fluid caught up to me and I was thankful for a long run out

Jacob's car has excellent cooling ducts to the brakes. So this helps a lot.

With the blue car I have no fade and can make my breaking distance much shorter and really stomp on the pads.

On a long straight I could dust all the Honda s2000 for example but would get out braked as they were going slower but braked much later and carried more speed thru the turns.
That is no longer the case.

When my friend the scca champ drove the red car his only complaint was the brakes- " inadequate for the handling ability " but realize that this is compared to modern race cars.

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[polopharm]

Help! Trying to identify my knuckles to mount the wilwood kit.
Here are mine from the race car
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Held up next to it is the adaptor that was used on the blue car
Below is the correct knuckle.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/e0d014a593a33dd8085d3a0ca929a26b.jpg
This is the knuckle and brake kit from the blue car. I need help identifying which knuckle this is.
I was told that the blue car had 1989 daytona's
But I was also told that the ones on the race car were also from a Daytona of similar vintage.
(In the blue car they used the same knuckles front and rear)

Can anyone identify them?
Thanks in advance.

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[player1up]

That top pic looks like the one Johnny used. ( minivan? Gbody? )
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?71887-1990-Consulier-GTP-Targa/page5

[jacob mosler]

My first car would have brake fade , especially at a track with a long straight, then a 90" turn at the end.
So going from say 155 mph down to 65 , each lap.
I would over heat the brakes, burn the fluid etc.
I had a ball clencher moment when the fade + burnt fluid caught up to me and I was thankful for a long run out

Jacob's car has excellent cooling ducts to the brakes. So this helps a lot.

With the blue car I have no fade and can make my breaking distance much shorter and really stomp on the pads.

On a long straight I could dust all the Honda s2000 for example but would get out braked as they were going slower but braked much later and carried more speed thru the turns.
That is no longer the case.

When my friend the scca champ drove the red car his only complaint was the brakes- " inadequate for the handling ability " but realize that this is compared to modern race cars.

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yeah..the HH doesnt go 155 either. i also wont put anything in any of my cars except motul 660. ive had a pedal drop to the floor at the end of strait. its definitely clenching, especially in a mt900...

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Help! Trying to identify my knuckles to mount the wilwood kit.
Here are mine from the race car
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/344dad51d864f041a90aecad687222ef.jpg
Held up next to it is the adaptor that was used on the blue car
Below is the correct knuckle.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/e0d014a593a33dd8085d3a0ca929a26b.jpg
This is the knuckle and brake kit from the blue car. I need help identifying which knuckle this is.
I was told that the blue car had 1989 daytona's
But I was also told that the ones on the race car were also from a Daytona of similar vintage.
(In the blue car they used the same knuckles front and rear)

Can anyone identify them?
Thanks in advance.

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yeah, looks like the standard consulier upright.

[GLHNSLHT2]

top pic is 89-90 Shelby Daytona, Lebaron GTC and 87-90 minivan with 15" wheels. They're 11" brakes with the molded in caliper bracket.

Bottom pic is 90 and older 10" front brake stuff with press in hubs.

[polopharm]

Thanks a lot for the help. Did you mean the bottom one 1990 and newer?

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[GLHNSLHT2]

No, 90 and older. 91+ got bolt in bearings. The 90 and older 10" brakes used press in bearings and bolt on calipers brackets.

The 90 and older 11" stuff used the bolt in bearings and molded caliper brackets.

Not sure how the willwood kits work per say but if that's the route I were looking for I'd look for a kit that bolts onto the 91+ spindles. The 91+ spindles locate the ball joint farther down for a better roll center/camber curve. They also use bolt in bearings and the bolt on caliper brackets. So they're the cats meow for geometry and ease to bolt stuff onto and maintenance when swapping bearings out if needed. Might also allow you more wheel selection as the big 5x114.3 bolt pattern hubs bolt right in.

[Reaper1]

What is that adapter bracket for (application wise, I know it's for a caliper! LOL)

[polopharm]

Thanks for the info. The adaptor brackets were made by TCE racing for this application.
Mike Wah had them made. Tce also put together the Willwood kit based on a Neon brake kit he sells.
I made the mistake of assuming all Consuliers had the same knuckles. (Matt's gtp had the correct knuckles for this kit also. )

I already bought the kit , so I think I will have to find some used knuckles. The kit is designed to use front knuckles on the rear as well.

As of now I am in the market for 2 sets of front used knuckles , pre- 90 , 10" rotor type.
Hit me up if anyone has some floating around
Thanks

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[polopharm]

Another quick question- after reading the post above again- is the bolt spacing for the caliper brackets the same on the 91 and newer stuff with the bolt on bearing vs the 90 and older with the press in bearing?
If spacing is the same then obviously the bolt on bearings are the way to go.

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[GLHNSLHT2]

yes, you could get small bolt pattern and large bolt pattern hubs for the 91+ stuff. Small bolt is 5x100 and larger is 5x114.3. Now the brake caliper brackets will not switch between old and new the bolt spacing on them is different.

[polopharm]

Turbo Mopar people come thru - Rick, T3 guy got me 4 of the correct knuckles http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/9b224b40e451a22cb7cb388e609179cb.jpg
This will get project back on track.

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[polopharm]

Tranny pulled. All plumbing out. Dropped subframe.
Going to powder coat subframe.
Run a new wiring harness for entire car. Painless wiring kit.

Now that I have the knuckles can get big brake kit installed. After installing new bearings.
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Going to open up the tranny, some of the race cars had straight cut gears and LSD , not sure yet on this one.
Meanwhile the original engine is being refreshed
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[Reaper1]

Steel or aluminum subframe?

[polopharm]

Steel subframe , aluminum suspension components, solid bearings not bushings.
Additional engine bracing.

I was told that they had some cracking in the aluminum subframes.

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[player1up]

What's the e-brake setup like on the wilwoods? or is there any provision for the e-brake?

[polopharm]

Zero provision for e brake. Because it's 4 front knuckles.

But if you want to have some form of e-brake, you could use the line lock/ brake bias adjuster and lock the front or rear wheels.

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[polopharm]

Have also just pulled out fuel cell and fuel system.
It had a giant Holley fuel pump at the tank and then a secondary walbro tank in line.

The fuel cell foam had turned into "dust" and the bladder had literally melted into a rubber pool.
Pictures to follow.

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[Johnny]

But if you want to have some form of e-brake, you could use the line lock/ brake bias adjuster and lock the front or rear wheels.

But doesn't a line lock take electricity to function...draining the battery?

[player1up]

Have also just pulled out fuel cell and fuel system.
It had a giant Holley fuel pump at the tank and then a secondary walbro tank in line.

The fuel cell foam had turned into "dust" and the bladder had literally melted into a rubber pool.
Pictures to follow.

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hmm, dual pumps, interesting...ugh, all that crap in the tank...

I'm interested in any other "race" mods that have been done to the engine and what kind of coilovers it has. I just found out that my block has a threaded plug in the rear galley port behind the flywheel ( yes, I've had the trans/engine apart...again ) and the turbos unleashed puck clutch still looks new after about 5k miles.

[Rottie]

The ones Karyn has one the vette are flip valves. Once it's switched to LOCK, it stays there till she switches it back (it takes electric to flip them, but not to hold). So a line-lock setup like that would work.

[Johnny]

This should work as a parking brake.....?

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Products/555/63028/10002/-1

[jacob mosler]

hmm, dual pumps, interesting...ugh, all that crap in the tank...

I'm interested in any other "race" mods that have been done to the engine and what kind of coilovers it has. I just found out that my block has a threaded plug in the rear galley port behind the flywheel ( yes, I've had the trans/engine apart...again ) and the turbos unleashed puck clutch still looks new after about 5k miles.

holly reds are very common on the race cars. i can rebuild them if anyone needs!

[Rottie]

This should work as a parking brake.....?

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Products/555/63028/10002/-1

It would, of course they warn that it's not intended to be a parking brake. It would hold pressure till you hit the pedal again (or something fails).

[Johnny]

They say not as a emergency brake. Parking is different.

[Rottie]

LOL, I'm not going to be the one to argue that in court :)

Of course they do call it a Park Loc in the instructions.....

[Johnny]

Park Loc is what I want it for.....
Then I can get rid of the Fiero brakes and use the same as I have on the front.

[polopharm]

While dicking around with the blue car , progress being made on race car.
Fuel cell , bladder and foam removed http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160729/adf72ccbbf0ed4da4034851d3a9df2f6.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160729/ed286dd8009e39e09b3e8a4c2d37f9ec.jpg
Bearings pulled, new ones going in http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160729/9216baa50753b1b767666addbcecfb5c.jpg
Knuckles bead blasted , wheel hub assemblies arrived , were ---- Chinese ones. Sent back , waiting on some new American made ones
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Engine bay totally stripped , subframe at powder coater. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160729/601dc1ae5b91f85d8d572ee5fbb657b6.jpg

Ball joints ,tie rods pulled, tie rods need to have longer threaded shafts fabricated. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160729/1a06f20e5b39e3d9e4c170001afb3613.jpg

Next step will be suspension, and get the Wildwoods installed.

[Johnny]

Nice progress.

[polopharm]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160801/b8022bbf064c149294c012538a68ffef.jpg
This is the area behind the fuel cell. Note pump and braided lines.

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[GLHNSLHT2]

where's the T2 upper intercooler hose in the upper left of the pic go???

[polopharm]

Boring answer...it was sitting on top of fuel cell when I pulled it out. So it goes nowhere, but perhaps into the trash.

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[polopharm]

Prior to getting blasted and powder coated.

Subframe needed some minor repairs - all the nut-serts that hold on the belly pans had been snapped off.
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[player1up]

I'm drooling over that removable drivers side lower cross member....would make taking the trans out of the car possible without pulling the engine. Would have been nice to have when I did my clutch. I had thought of making a modification like that, but decided against it for originality's sake, but seeing as yours has it, I'm rethinking that.

I'm guessing the belly pan has cutout slots for the round mating plates.?

* For those not familiar with the car, we're looking at the bottom of the subframe, passenger side is on the right of the pic.
Front motor mount is at the bottom of the pic and the bobble strut tabs are at the top

[polopharm]

That's 100% correct. I saw 2 of the cars with that removable brace made out of aluminum also.
And this car didn't have any belly pans when we got it ( it had some broken remnants) , but that's what we did.
We did a mold off the blue car belly pans and did some modifications.
There are pictures of them somewhere on this thread.

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[polopharm]

Back from powder coating http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160811/9d80d557dea3cef45d325b1aae16788c.jpg

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[bfarroo]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160801/b8022bbf064c149294c012538a68ffef.jpg
This is the area behind the fuel cell. Note pump and braided lines.

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So what's the aluminum cylinder for?

[polopharm]

It's a surge tank. It is designed to keep car from ever having fuel starvation.
Fuel cell also had foam in it. I imagine that they either had issues due to high g-forces, or were just trying to prevent starvation.

The tank holds +/- a liter of fuel.

In the blue car with under 1/2 tank I get starvation at the track and even on high speed mountain passes.

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[polopharm]

Work continues - front end going back together. The correct knuckles made the Wilwood brake install a snap.

New tie rods and ball joints all the way around. Tie rods continue to be a pain as they are modified Daytona ones. The need the shaft extended , and the threads cut.
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Waiting for the qa1 double adjustable shocks , and we have a bunch of different spring rates. Will start with 450 front ,550 rear.


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[polopharm]

Rear subframe back in. This car does not have bushings , it has sealed bearings. New ones installed.
Shocks I ordered were not the right length. The mounting points are different then the street cars.
It will also need 8" springs as opposed to 10". The longer ones won't allow any adjustments on the coil overs.

Biggest bummer so far - the Revolution 3 piece wheels I restored will not clear the new brakes ! Sh-t!!
I test fitted on the blue car but did not have the barrels bolted together. The inner barrel is too narrow.

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Car was set up with 325lb front and 450lb rear springs. Will stick with that for now.

Replacing fuel cell as the bladders are NLA , will still have the original aluminum box around it. It will also have an internal Bosch fuel pump, built in fuel gauge sender and not require the surge tank. But is very pricey.
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[Reaper1]

What's different about the shock mounting points? I thought they were simply in another position for better suspension geometry in the lowered state?

[Johnny]

The early and late cars had them in different locations.

[polopharm]

You are both right , the race car has multiple shock mounting points all of which are at a more horizontal angle then either the blue series 2 or the red series 1 I had before.

Pictures to follow. I am waiting on the correct shocks to arrive.

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[polopharm]

Suspension is in.
Waiting on fuel cell.
Clutch and flywheel purchased- clutch master 6 puck and aluminum flywheel.

Striping out all chassis wiring now.
Simplifying dash - going to have - tach. Oil pressure, coolant temp , oil temp, and afr. Add a shift light and oil pressure light. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160902/3c9e8feebfb0d50f81b792fea942bc98.jpg
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[Rrider]

Looks like the different race cars were running much different setups.

[polopharm]

Wow , where did you get the red car picture!!!!
I have never seen a picture of it in action.


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[jacob mosler]

i might have some pics of that car too polo. ill check the shop.


https://youtu.be/--DPczj8MPc

second shakedown

feels good! back on the banks of daytona soon!

[Rrider]

That thing sounds nasty. Vid looks like its in fast forward!

[Rrider]

Behold the splendor that is the revs. digital. library. Over a century of motorsport awaits within.


https://revslib.stanford.edu/?commit=Limit&page=4&per_page=100&q=imsa+bridgestone&range%5Bpub_year_isim%5D%5Bbegin%5D=1991&range%5Bpub_year_isim%5D%5Bend%5D=1992&search_field=dummy_range&search_match=any&utf8=%E2%9C%93
91 92 supercar series photos courtesy Geoffrey and William Hewitt.


Nelson 24 hours car photo below.

I went to the spot google says is the address for "Consulier of Calif" (Gardena not Santa Monica), but its the Shelby building.
https://www.google.com/search?q=consulier+of+calif

[Rrider]

Here is what the pins in the hood are for.. more Nelson 24 hour action shots are in there. Not tagged "Consulier" or "GTP" though so search 1988 1989 for "nelson 24" or similar. Looks like a red car ran Longest Day of Nelson too. Any insight on these cars Jacob??

[polopharm]

That car is at Jacobs shop. It also appears in a bunch of the early advertising stuff.

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[MPI_duster]

i might have some pics of that car too polo. ill check the shop.


https://youtu.be/--DPczj8MPc

second shakedown

feels good! back on the banks of daytona soon!

Let me know next time you make it out this way Jacob, I'm in Ocala. I'd love to see the cars run.

[jacob mosler]

Let me know next time you make it out this way Jacob, I'm in Ocala. I'd love to see the cars run.

we should be at the firm in starke again this Saturday morning for some more testing.

[polopharm]

Are you driving the intruder? Or hammerhead?
Nelson Ledges.
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[jacob mosler]

Are you driving the intruder? Or hammerhead?
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intruder GT1/GTS

[MPI_duster]

I'm working till 11 Saturday, if I can get up there I will.

[polopharm]

Fuel cell just arrived. Will fit under stock aluminum cover. Baffled with surge tank and fuel pump all internal. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160917/fa1763eff6975724796ab4665a66ad27.jpg
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[polopharm]

Started pulling apart the original, rebuilt engine from this car.
Compression is perfect , spark plugs look brand new but...under valve cover it looks like mud daubers started building a nest. Going to try n clean it all , pull oil pan and reseal everything. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161012/8d348e2aa00d3bfedf12e33dad8421f5.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161012/4e7ad2d2ac15575f5dcd622e5f2103db.jpg

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[Reaper1]

How much was that fuel cell...if you don't mind sharing?

Sucks about the mud daubers...those little buggers will build a nest ANYWHERE they can fit!

[polopharm]

The fuel cell was ridiculously expensive. 2k!! But was the only one that fit and met my needs.
Boroscope of block looks fine.

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[Reaper1]

The only thing that goes through my head on that fuel cell is "ouch ouch ouch!!!" :(

[jacob mosler]

The only thing that goes through my head on that fuel cell is "ouch ouch ouch!!!" :(

though somethings aint worth cutting corners one :D

the price tag on the custom sized enduro tank for the gt1 really hurt. :(

[Reaper1]

Yeah, I know. I'm going to have to go through this for my own car in the future to do the type of racing I want to do. Just not looking forward to it.

[polopharm]

So I have been going through the engine that came out of the red race car.
It appears to be a non-common block .
It has a date on it of 1987, it has a fuel pump block off plate.
But it does have roller rockers,
Any thoughts?

It appears that everyone of the engine/tranny's I picked up are the same.
I am no Mopar expert - so is this a non-common block?

Anyone else have an idea what block is in their GTP??
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[Thrillz]

Mine had a non-common block as well, common block is now in place.

[MPI_duster]

My understanding is they are all '87s. I think he bought all the engines in one batch, based on pre-orders, but when all the pre-orders backed out he was stuck with what he had and never completely used them all. That's why there were still so many spares.

[polopharm]

Thanks for the info.
I thought that non- common blocks did not have the roller rocker heads ?


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[cordes]

Thanks for the info.
I thought that non- common blocks did not have the roller rocker heads ?


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88 was the first year for them. It's a pretty small change over all, in the cam and followers.

[polopharm]

Yeah. These engines here all have the roller rockers. But maybe it was an in between year switch?

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[polopharm]

Engine about to go back in , wiring for the standalone management system.

Had to go with the 16" enkei wheels like on the blue car to clear brakes. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161223/f02639ca23fcffb348a2e8d487d8c6d6.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161223/67b1ff59fc68560a6871aaa4d91017cb.jpg

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[polopharm]

Progress has been slow , due to working on the blue car. But we are back at it.
Installed willwood pedal cluster.
Began fabricating new steering column,
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[Johnny]

Installed willwood pedal cluster.

The stock one was gone?

[polopharm]

Wanted adjustable pedals to allow seat position change. Also the willwood brakes require a different bore master cylinder.

And the stock gas pedal linkage is a rube Goldberg set up.

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[Thrillz]

Looking good! Even found a 2 piece intake I see, or was that on the engine already?

[polopharm]

2 piece intake courtesy of Chris and turbos unleashed. Will go with better turbo etc once we get things dialed in more.

When putting drivetrain back in , we found the tranny mount was cracked https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170222/68cb0fb67d821691ebd20809ec5ba9b9.jpg
Welded and reinforced it. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170222/370da81c507ea52018125335a9052321.jpg

Mocking up a dead pedal https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170222/2f7b11f3236a8ff68db607c10e24b5fe.jpg

Waiting for stand alone ems to arrive.


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[Thrillz]

What are you using for EMS? I was thinking of going either Haltech or Megasquirt depending on how well I got mine up and running.

[polopharm]

Used megasquirt with a turbo Volvo, while cheap and tuneable it was super inconsistent and required constant tweaking.
I haven't used haltech
But have only heard good things.

We are using "electro-motive", my race tuning Guy uses this system in all his race cars including his Honda factory cars. So that's the reason. I would rather have a tuner that knows and likes the ems


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[MPI_duster]

If you've got a dealer in your area, Fueltech will run utilizing the factory Hall effect sensor. I'm running fueltech in my car, get a FT350 or higher if you go this route.

[polopharm]

Steering column done , Heim joints. New steering wheel and quick release. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170311/1006a1349229665e519b1bdfbe810bb0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170311/7e8cc0929dad8d56cfa8c2374550e7d6.jpg

Rebuilt axle shafts installed. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170311/5b1f4dddaab4145152b2abf96fa690ef.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170311/3cfbcd0b6482bacf89dc193a1d12d175.jpg
Suspension is rigidly mounted on bearings , not bushings.
Working on wiring, dash and plumbing

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[player1up]

After seeing what you're doing with the pedals, are you going to move the shifter forward / up a little if the cables reach?

[polopharm]

Yeah raising the whole mechanism about 2" higher. The steering column is actually longer then stock so will be pulling shifter back closer to rear of car , by a few inches.

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[bfarroo]

Did you happen up upgrade to PT lifters and shims while going through the engine? Definitely worth while if you plan on continuous high RPM driving. Allows air to escape and keeps the lifter from collapsing like the stock ones do. I had issues with my shadow after about 5-8 laps of circle racing loosing power. The PT lifters made a seat of the pants noticeable difference.

[polopharm]

What are Pt lifters ? This first engine is just a pretty stock set up. Going to use it as a test mule. I have like 4 more NOS ones to build up.

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[GLHS60]

Generic term for 2.4 lash adjusters used in P.T. Cruisers.

Sold under M.P. P5007440

They have a bleed hole in the tip to allow air to escape the lifter.

Also they are shorter and need to be shimmed slightly to achieve proper height.

Thanks
Randy

[detobias]

"PT lifters" dfined: in '99 ChryCo updated the 2.0 and 2.4 4V lifter with the bleed valve, eliminating 'lifter collapse' due to aerated oil; to make it easier for us TDers to remember which lifter to get, if you asked for "PT Cruiser" lifters you were sure to get the '99+ updated version (PT was introduced '01) the newer style lifter was marketed as a Mopar Performance upgrade for the pre-'99 DOHC 2.0 and 2.4 as part P5007440 it looks like the aftermarket has commonalized the upgraded lifter for the pre-99 too IMNSHO you should also upgrade to conical valve springs .. both for power (reduces valve float) and durability (less likely to break a spring) if yur on a budget get OE 3.3/3.8 springs , or there is a (IIRC) Compcams spring, either uses GM 'enhanced' 3100/3300 retainer (or theres an aftermarket Titanium for a bit ore $) (haveto search here to find the thread with part numbers / year applications) if yur on a super budget like me then get junkyard PT lifters, 3.3 springs, and 3100 retainers for free ;) (these parts don't really "wear"...) then you can afford the +1 exhaust valves ;) also upgrade to dual spring teflon valve seals (e.g. OE 5.7 hemi) .. also very cheap and WAY better than the 80s umbrella seals

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sorry I don't know why my "carriage returns" arent working.. making my post one big hard to read paragraph .. dam Mac

[polopharm]

Working on dash now , have a painless wiring harness going in, new switch panel , and fuse/relay box.
The aluminum panel will have a big tach , the other open space to the right will have oil pressure , coolant and oil temp , Afr meter https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170405/a0f0f8be4af248eccbda1edf2803c214.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170405/ffa1cba447307980eb245765638d35b8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170405/52c3b8cc8efb10ef9279822686d4f39d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170405/e9924b3d5743a9af3683cefd67f47358.jpg

Installing fuel cell , https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170405/d3d3425e480f50c89839619d9caf8b2a.jpg

And working on shifter height and fore/aft location.
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[bfarroo]

just another FYI. The 89 shifter has a shorter throw and sits a little lower than the 88 and earlier. I'm pretty sure they all had 88 shifters from the factory.

[DaveSkrab]

Agreed with Benji, looks like a taller shifter stalk.
Keep up the inspirational work! I am installing my lift this weekend, so progress will start soon for me.

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[polopharm]

I am trying to get the shifter mechanism higher by lifting the entire assembly up. So it is closer to the steering wheel.
But a shorter throw would be great.

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[DaveSkrab]

If the knob is at a good height for you, and a shorter throw is desired, the shifter can be modified. Lengthen the levers between the cable attachment points and the pivot ball.

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[player1up]

If the knob is at a good height for you, and a shorter throw is desired, the shifter can be modified. Lengthen the levers between the cable attachment points and the pivot ball.

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I did this in addition to shortening the stalk. Made the 1-2 and 3-4 shifts go from a 12 inch throw to just over 5 inches.
Just be careful if you're going to lengthen the bottom. The levers/cable ends can hit the bottom plate if you go too far down.

[polopharm]

I am raising the entire unit , base cables everything together.

Great tip on shifter throw. Will check that out today

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[polopharm]

Running lines now. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170419/70533a686eb7ec996b94ee84152ede7c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170419/91a2e98ffec6e661591e73c021e1710a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170419/f0828cbd86416059b4beebacef667a05.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170419/17d05daebc8d77b8ccd500039af217f3.jpg

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[polopharm]

Stand alone Ems underway. Nightmare of spaghetti begins https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170430/5eac7da25b4eb4c6134c897b2b47efd8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170430/17664411fa1de5af8d027741d67cb797.jpg

Going with the Electromotive because the shop has most experience with it , and their dyno communicates directly with this system. Should make tuning easier. They are also known to be less "fussy" then many stand alones and not require constant tweaking.
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FYI- gauge cluster will not remain as it is in picture. Trying a couple different mock-ups thus the Skippy peanut butter lid( same size as a tach) taped to the aluminum panel.
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[jacob mosler]

cant wait till its finished so i have someone to race against!!!

[wheming]

Would be great to see video of the two of them on the track together!

[Johnny]

What about entering the Grassroots Motorsports ultimate track car competition????

[polopharm]

Havent spoken to Jacob yet but
Grass roots motorsports was interested in coming to Florida and doing an article on all the Consulier/ Mosler race cars. We would go to track have the red car , hammerhead , intruder, mt900 ( will bring blue car too, as I think its fastest of all the Gtp's. ) We would drive them all( GRM would drive them) and do a write up.
To me sounds like great idea.
Gotta ask Jacob -
Hey Jacob - you up for it ?
Anyone who wants to bring their cars would be welcome.
I have not gotten far enough to know when or where. Many tracks to choose from and maybe try and coincide with another event.

And Johnny great idea - what are the rules for that event ?

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[polopharm]

We got the shfter tower built , goal is to raise the entire mechanism closer to the steering wheel.

Also finished plumbing the fuel filler ( goes to stock location)
Also fitted the original fuel cover, a requirement for fuel cells located in the cabin of the car
Autometer gauges arrived and will go in this week.
Working on plumbing inner cooler which mounts on the drivers side of the engine compartment with a scoop in engine cover
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[polopharm]

Been slow going but some progress. Electromotive ems is wired in , coil packs in place, on rear fire wall.
Gauges temporarily installed. Will paint the aluminum backing plate to make it easier on the eyes in the sun.
As noted on another post battery and bracket installed https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170718/f3d61b5a7fb136f4a46c9628edbfe58e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170718/ed4893d7020f6dd7e64a3f041b2e2f93.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170718/cdd7af74b31eda7a6699040e970def64.jpg

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[polopharm]

We had a bit of a problem modifying the throttle linkage to fit the new pedals.
Ran all hydraulic lines , master cylinders are floor mounted , reservoirs in frunk.
Also got the relays etc for the standalone ecu mounted. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170803/c3304ca5dc37473896765608209c3375.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170803/4d2f9f81082de0ba940a62746a8d7cef.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170803/bea379910243060d71a26bbc040f5ca9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170803/9b372d5b80c381bae67d3e2f8c0e02c5.jpg

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[Johnny]

Grass roots motorsports was interested in coming to Florida and doing an article on all the Consulier/ Mosler race cars.
I have had my car in their magazine, as you might know. SO I was asking them why don't you do a real article on the Consulier?....they said great idea....guess they are following through...great!



And Johnny great idea - what are the rules for that event ?

I don't know, the Grassroots magazine web site should have it.

[polopharm]

Johnny - scan and post the article , its a good one.

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[polopharm]

Got power to the stand alone , now running the engine wiring harness. Serious spaghetti. Laptop and program on the system makes it much easier. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170804/d37aea1eb6b47de8a55881f0c1330028.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170804/d5be476d66fca6ccf5724352a72fe0d3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170804/115330417007e9a4ec34f96b389f91ed.jpg

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[polopharm]

Had to machine a trigger wheel to go on to crank. Rather then put it on the outside of the pulley and have it possibly have more wear and tear, ( more distance out from the crank)
Instead machined one to fit inside of the pulley. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170819/4a79c8079200f9c41f3f1b6e1ad3de9a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170819/f5cecb0dcd5e2784fdfe95f65a8e4537.jpg

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[Dr. Johny Dodge]

now that's how it should be done ^

I think you might even be able to sell a few of those pick up wheels

if I were looking to add a pick up wheel I'd likely be hounding you for one right now ..

[polopharm]

Funny , that you mention that.
I was just saying that to my buddy the machinist.
Let me ask him how much he would want to make a couple extras.

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[wheming]

Would be sweeter if we could get some pulleys made from Aluminum and just a bit smaller diameter, but not quite as small as the previous underdrive pulleys.

[polopharm]

Working on getting the innercooler scoop and engine cover fitted. ( they came from a different car)
We had to cut off one bar on the roll cage to aid in fitting it. We will bend a new tube to fit and weld it back into place
Had to trim engine cover- note its full carbon fiber.
And then re-shape the scoop.

Also roughing in the other gauge "pod".

Engine wiring is all roughed in , and doing some plumbing work with goal of firing her up next week

Wires running thru window but once its all set , we are going to add a plug on the bulkhead so that engine harness can simply just unplug from body harness , facilitating the inevitable emergency engine swap.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171013/d4beab437efb9f6d62ec8fd31b4045e9.jpg note the drivers side part of the roll cage. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171012/963df0460918b3a09a70d44a4277ae10.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171012/7695c7e8a83dca7f8d01b729e96b0ae1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171012/eabc8db7c9eac31635340b4965bb5c20.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171012/15bd54aefb72439d823d80321f23c0c7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171012/d0d5c854016d9c51efdbda915786b1bf.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171012/e501300e1f049af0ca6ffe91fbe8d15b.jpg

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[polopharm]

During this cars last outing back in the day it suffered some body damage, and I believe a blown engine.
Drivers side rear 1/4 made some contact
Some on track use of duct tape was used.
We have now repaired it properly

The rear tow hook was not mounted to anything substantial , so when tow truck jerked it , it tore up the ridges in the monocoque the blend into the belly pan. Pictures to follow. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171014/2c14406a5b43207aa30463caa67b0dae.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171014/83c530d7515e8d6d5c2887bc6686dda9.jpg

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[GLHNSLHT2]

excuse my ignroance but the intercooler is buried in the body in front of the left rear tire and get's its air from the side scoop in the door correct? How is the scoop on the engine cover working as a scoop for the intercooler??

[polopharm]

The race cars have a different set up. The innercooler is inside that side scoop on the engine cover. ( its significantly bigger than the stock ones.
The endurance cars also had plumbing to suck air from the back side of the innercooler.
Drivers side scoop behind the door is air intake.
Passenger side scoop is the oil cooler.

Stock versions have innercooler on drivers side scoop , a/c and oil cooler on passenger side and the air box is in the engine bay.

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[GLHNSLHT2]

got ya, can't wait to see pics with it all set up.