Masi thermostat box GROUP BUY

[acannell]

This is for the Masi Thermostat Box machined by acannell

For the R&D discussion of this new product see here:

This thermostat box for the Masi engine will feature:

-CNC machined out of billet 6061-T6 aluminum
-compatible with stock oring, thermostat, thermostat housing, bleed valve,and bolts
-mounts in stock location with no modifications required to anything
-same heater nipple diameter as stock
-same internal bore diameters as stock
-deletion of blind small nipple next to heater nipple
-shape will be similar to stock

I'm asking $145 shipped to USA or Canada.

The plan for the group buy is as follows:

-Get at least 10 people to verbally (on the forum) "commit" to buying one. This may take weeks or months. During this time the technical discussion can continue and the features or specific changes can be requested.

-Once at least 10 people have committed, I'll need to receive a 50% down payment from all of them. Hopefully that only takes a few days.

-Then I will finish the design, make a prototype, send it to someone in the forum to verify fitment (I dont have a Masi engine).

-If the design needs to be tweaked for fitment, I'll do that, then I'll machine all the ordered thermostat boxes and ship them out within 4 weeks, and thats when the remaining 50% would be due.

The models pictured below are based on measurements I made of a stock masi tstat housing. I think they are 90% correct. The final model and finished part WILL look somewhat different for machinability reasons and if any other changes are made in the design thread, but overall it will basically be a stock replacement that looks fairly stock.

Also pictured is something I made for the 2.2/2.5 community, which only took 72 hours from project start until machined working prototype, as an example of my work.

So if you would like to purchase one of these, just say so in this thread, and I'll keep a running list in this thread. Please only commit if you actually plan on putting the 50% down when the time comes and the rest when I ship them.

Thank you!


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Current list is:

1. iTurbo
2. iTurbo
3.
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[4 l-bodies]

Asa,
You or Jeremy or someone should post this on AACA and TC yahoo forums for more exposure. That is where the TC enthusiasts hang out. I'll give it a couple days and if no one posts I'll post a link to get them here or TD forum.
Todd

[iTurbo]

I did post a thread on the AACA TC forum about the new thermostat housing, with a link to the group buy on TD.com.

http://forums.aaca.org/f144/16v-thermostat-housing-365322.html

Not sure about the TC Yahoo forum though. I'm not a member there yet.

[Reaper1]

Just wanted to add that I'm on this list, too...if this is incentive for anybody to jump on seeing more names on the list....

[vipernbox]

Hmmmm. I have two housings. Put me down for a half of one. LOL. Love to see things like this happen

[iTurbo]

Really hoping you 16v guys get in on this. Maybe you have a Masi 16v project you're working on. Or maybe you have an all original Chrysler TC by Maserati with the 16v engine. Perhaps you are thinking of getting in on the Masi 16v thing because of the mad potential this engine has. Or just maybe you're like me and have a 16v head or two that didn't even come with a thermostat housing. Maybe your thermostat housing is experiencing corrosion issues or is just plain broke. Maybe you just really think billet aluminum CNC parts are just plain cool:)

Now is the time to get in on this Group Buy! They might not ever be available again, unless another GB comes up which is highly unlikely. Consider for a moment, the Group Buy that Todd helped put together for the Masi 16v adjustable cam sprockets...there hasn't been another one since and there probably never will be. I missed out on that GB unfortunately, and probably a few other things. Thankfully I was able to get in on the thermostat outlet piece that lengel did while they were available.

If this Group Buy is successful, it's possible other products for the Masi 16v may be available in the future. Who knows for sure, but support from this crowd can only help!

[GLHNSLHT2]

I'd buy one if I needed one for sure.

[Reaper1]

I'd buy one if I needed one for sure.

Oh, you NEED one! Trust me! If not, well, I'll drive out there and make sure you do! :evil::eyebrows:

[4 l-bodies]

I'd buy one if I needed one for sure.


Oh, you NEED one! Trust me! If not, well, I'll drive out there and make sure you do! :evil::eyebrows:

Send Guido over to check on Jay! One "accident" away from needing one (lol). That is why I have two NOS windshields sitting in my basement for 4dr L-bodies. Don't need one at the moment, but one stone throw away from needing one. Lots of my buddies here in MN have 4 dr L-bodies, and they will be cryin when they find out even aftermarket windshields are becoming very tough to find.
Todd

[GLHNSLHT2]

Someone can buy me one, I'm currently having a difficult time scrounging enough money together to get this project into a running state let alone buying spare parts.

[Reaper1]

Someone can buy me one, I'm currently having a difficult time scrounging enough money together to get this project into a running state let alone buying spare parts.

Me too. I'm doing it little by little. As I can afford parts to make the build even better, I get them. I'm still fabbing stuff up for it, so the bottom end still isn't sealed up, so it gives me the opportunity to do this.

[Reaper1]

I got a PM from Larry Carlson (AZOrion) that he wants 2 of these. Unless something bad happens I think this puts us at 10! :D I'll need to contact Acannell so he can directly contact Larry, but I figured I'd update the group. :thumb:

[acannell]

I got a PM from Larry Carlson (AZOrion) that he wants 2 of these. Unless something bad happens I think this puts us at 10! :D I'll need to contact Acannell so he can directly contact Larry, but I figured I'd update the group. :thumb:

im on it..i've PM'd him and im waiting to hear back.

i still havent heard back from sctc on AACA, so we might still be short three.

[acannell]

looks like AZOrion is onboard for two!

So if sctc confirms, then we are on. But its been more than a week so I think maybe he wont, although he seemed pretty clear in the thread that he wanted three.

So we are still waiting for three more from sctc or someone(s)

update

1. iTurbo
2. iTurbo
3. Reaper1
4. 4-lbodies
5. Argosy1430Z
6. AZOrion
7. AZOrion
8. sctc (PENDING from AACA)
9. sctc (PENDING from AACA)
10. sctc (PENDING from AACA)

[acannell]

i would be interested in one thx roger

awesome!

okay im taking sctc off the list for now..i think he hasnt logged in in a few weeks and might actually want to join in but i dont have any way to confirm this so..we need two more!

Heres the latest list! I havent heard back from sctc confirming he wants three, so we are still looking for 3 more to make 10..then its on!

1. iTurbo
2. iTurbo
3. Reaper1
4. 4-lbodies
5. Argosy1430Z
6. AZOrion
7. AZOrion
8. rofly1
9.
10.

[acannell]

the requirement for 10 people has been met! and then some!


1. iTurbo
2. iTurbo
3. Reaper1
4. 4-lbodies
5. Argosy1430Z
6. AZOrion
7. AZOrion
8. rofly1
9. sctc
10. sctc
11. sctc

standby list
12. 'Lil_omni

AND

the prototype has been machined!!

wow..that was a TON of work

it took me 5 days, about 12 hours a day, to get the CAM toolpath designed and the first prototype machined.

if I include the time it took to draw up the original model in solidworks, its about 7 days total I think.

thats more than twice as long as it took me to do the reverse cooling mod for the 2.x engine...this should have been both easier and similar in complexity but it wasnt..there were alot of 3 axis toolpaths and I broke some end mills from stupid mistakes. also I had to alter the design and experiment with two completely different 3 axis finishing strategies.

so, some important technical info:

ive deleted the large heater hose connection nipple. instead, it will be a 1" NPT threaded hole. this will allow people to have a choice of what they put there. a 1" stainless NPT fitting is less than $10 and should fit the stock hose.

the bleeder port is a large rectangular boss on the top, which I will tap to fit the stock bleeder valve. I should not that iTurbo's bleeder valve broke off when i tried to unscrew it by hand (sorrry!!), so if these rot away perhaps a different bleeder valve would be a good idea, and I can thread the hole to whatever size would be appropriate (preferably not NPT)

the prototype has two different finishes. the "bottom" with the smooth fillets is the side I will be doing for the production pieces. the fillets are smooth, and the main body surfaces have a 10 thou ridged surface..i think it gives it a nice industrial look! the last picture is the finish that the production units will have.

other than the above its basically the same as the stock one.

so now this prototype needs to have all the threading done (screw holes, 1" NPT) and then get sent to a forum member for fitment testing, since I dont have a masi engine

the tester should:

-have a masi engine with all the surrounding hardware (hood, manifold, whatever else goes in the immediate vicinity of the tstat box, including hoses and all stock hardware to bolt the housing to the head and the housing to the tstat)

-have a fresh oring or at least not a rock hard oring, for the head connection

-a good way to take lots of pictures

-preferably a pair of cheap dial calipers or at least a steel rule to measure distances, since i will be depending on those measurements to alter the design if needed

-time to do this..i.e. you have a spare hour on any day within the next week or so

-ill probably put the prototype up for auction or for sale once fitment testing is done, assuming it fits. so id ask whoever is doing the testing to drop it in the mail if it sells. i can email you a prepaid shipping label and you can tape it to the box it came in, and put it in your mailbox with the flag up. that easy!




If you are on the group buy list please chime in right now with your thoughts!! Once I start machining the production batch I dont want to be tweaking the design so speak now please!!





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[iTurbo]

Very nice! No problem at all with the bleeder fitting breaking. I'm very appreciative that you've come this far with it!! I like the idea of a 1" NPT threaded nipple to give people the choice of heater hose size connections. Seriously quick on making a prototype here, I wasn't expecting something for quite a while and it's just been days!

I wonder who would be up for the testing/fitment? I wish I was, but I'm just not that far yet. I have a complete engine on a stand, but nothing in the car and running at this point.

GREAT WORK!!!

[acannell]

Very nice! No problem at all with the bleeder fitting breaking. I'm very appreciative that you've come this far with it!! I like the idea of a 1" NPT threaded nipple to give people the choice of heater hose size connections. Seriously quick on making a prototype here, I wasn't expecting something for quite a while and it's just been days!

I wonder who would be up for the testing/fitment? I wish I was, but I'm just not that far yet. I have a complete engine on a stand, but nothing in the car and running at this point.

GREAT WORK!!!

thanks!

im not sure if anyone will be willing to take the tstat housing apart/off on a running engine, so you may be the best one yet..if it doesnt hit the intake then it should be pretty clear that the oring is sealing, and that the hoses will fit, so that might be good enough (i.e. engine on a stand)

[Reaper1]

I think it looks pretty darn good! I also like having the threaded heater hose. It makes it a lot easier to fit a standard hose as the stock Masi hose that goes on there is a funky tapered thing.

I'm looking VERY forward to seeing the end product and using it on my project! :thumb:

[iTurbo]

I've recieved the prototype part and have done some test fitting. First I installed it onto a bare head and it fits great! Slides right down over the studs and the 'odd' rhombus shape of the O-ring'd flange jives with the cylinder head nicely.

However, tonight I tried to install it onto a complete engine and could not install it due to clearance issues with the intake manifold. It just wouldn't fit down over the studs before hitting the manifold. I think this problem can be easily corrected though, and that is what prototype parts and test-fitting is for after all. We are getting close!

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[iTurbo]

I've received the thermostat/head O-ring from Asa in the mail (fits perfect) and also got the 1"NPTx5/8" hose nipple stainless steel fitting from eBay. I thought I would post some pics of these on a bare cylinder head. So far it looks like the only issue is the intake manifold clearance.

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EDIT: Just so everybody knows, the radiator hose outlet piece is made by lengel and was part of a previous group buy.

[Reaper1]

That is looking SWEET! Where was it hitting the intake at? I looked at the picture that showed it, but I still couldn't tell really where the problem was.

[iTurbo]

It was hitting the intake manifold at the very lower edge of the radiator outlet piece. The only radiator outlet piece I have on hand to test-fit is the lengel made piece, but I really doubt it would matter if it was stock or lengel-made.

I have another stock Masi 16v thermostat housing that I can use to check/compare, and I also have a stock 16v intake manifold showing up next week that will help me figure out what will need to be changed. I will be sure to share pics on the forum so Asa and I (and everybody else) can come to the best solution for this.

[acannell]

That is looking SWEET! Where was it hitting the intake at? I looked at the picture that showed it, but I still couldn't tell really where the problem was.

glad you like it!

the production version will have a much smoother finish and proper fillets. ive already designed the toolpath, im just waiting to see how much it needs to be modified to clear the intake. ill probably have to clock the flange and/or increase the angle of the main body versus the head flange. heres the latest model, not yet corrected for fitment

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[iTurbo]

I've recieved prototype #2 from Asa and took some pics tonight. These pictures are from test-fitting on a bare cylinder head and intake manifold. The intake manifold was installed onto the head before attempting to install the thermostat housing.

The view in the pictures is looking straight down the head from the cam bore on the front (sprocket) side of the motor.
The first pic is of no thermostat housing installed.
The second pic is of prototype #1 and shows that it hit the intake before being able to go all the way on.
The third pic shows prototype #2 and that it is 99% on before hitting the intake manifold.
The forth pic shows the clearance issue with prototype #2.
The fifth pic shows the passenger side view of prototype #2 installed.
The sixth pic shows a close-up of where prototype #2 hits the intake manifold.


SO CLOSE!!! I could sand off an tiny bit from proto #2 and it would work. I wanted to post these pics to show progress on the development of this part and help Asa decide what is needed further. TOMORROW I will be posting additional pics when I attempt to install prototype #2 onto a complete Masi 16v engine on a stand in my garage.

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[acannell]

I've recieved prototype #2 from Asa and took some pics tonight. These pictures are from test-fitting on a bare cylinder head and intake manifold. The intake manifold was installed onto the head before attempting to install the thermostat housing.

The view in the pictures is looking straight down the head from the cam bore on the front (sprocket) side of the motor.
The first pic is of no thermostat housing installed.
The second pic is of prototype #1 and shows that it hit the intake before being able to go all the way on.
The third pic shows prototype #2 and that it is 99% on before hitting the intake manifold.
The forth pic shows the clearance issue with prototype #2.
The fifth pic shows the passenger side view of prototype #2 installed.
The sixth pic shows a close-up of where prototype #2 hits the intake manifold.


SO CLOSE!!! I could sand off an tiny bit from proto #2 and it would work. I wanted to post these pics to show progress on the development of this part and help Asa decide what is needed further. TOMORROW I will be posting additional pics when I attempt to install prototype #2 onto a complete Masi 16v engine on a stand in my garage.

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wow that is close...

can you try seeing if it fits okay if its installed before the intake manifold is bolted on? i think it might work that way (fingers crossed)

does the intake manifold have a gasket? because the gasket would push the intake out further and make give that little bit of extra clearance needed, especially for installation before the intake is bolted on

[iTurbo]

The intake is just lightly bolted down with no gasket, but having a gasket would help a bit. I will try that tonight. I'll also see if it makes any difference if the thermostat is installed first, then the intake, although it would be much more desirable to be able to remove/install the thermostat housing without touching the intake.

I'll post more pics of it on the complete motor that's on the stand in my garage after work tonight.

[acannell]

The intake is just lightly bolted down with no gasket, but having a gasket would help a bit. I will try that tonight. I'll also see if it makes any difference if the thermostat is installed first, then the intake, although it would be much more desirable to be able to remove/install the thermostat housing without touching the intake.

I'll post more pics of it on the complete motor that's on the stand in my garage after work tonight.

hmm

heres some ideas, tell me what you think:

1) increase or decrease thickness of head flange, thus moving the point that hits further and closer and maybe allowing it to not hit. you could simulate this by adding washers/shim between it and the head, or using a belt sander to make it thinner. the oring groove would, of course, be machined to the appropriate depth in the production version.

2) reduce size of tstat flange overall. if its made smaller than the tstat housing by say 2mm overall, would that look okay? it would be a "step" but maybe thats not big deal? maybe it would look cool who knows. it probably doesnt mate up perfectly with the tstat housing anyways does it?

3) combine 1 & 2. i.e. something like 1mm reduction in overall tstat flange dimensions, and increase/decrease head flange by 2mm, and suddenly the point that hits is in the valley where it doesnt ..

4) add a flat spot to tstat flange where it hits. id like to avoid this for aesthetics,however its not really that out of the ordinary for parts to have features like this that we take for granted and never notice.

5) and of course, raising the body. as the model stands right now, raising the body up would mean the lower surface of the head passage would no longer be tangent to the body outer diameter and so a hump would need to form, or the body diameter would need to further increase to maintain tangency. the body dia has already been increased from prototype #1. perhaps its not that big of a deal to make it bigger. but its already bigger than stock, if that matters. also, the head coolant passage will be below the inside surface and start to get ugly and not smooth. as it currently is its tangent to the inside main bore diameter as you can see and if that bore moves up then the head passage goes below the surface and no more smooth transition


so perhaps you could try this tonight:

-bolt the prototype #2 to the head, then see if you can install the int. mani. gasket and the intake mani.

-then, try adding a washer or some kind of shim between the prototype #2 head flange and the head, and see how that works out. maybe the combination of the intake gasket and the shim will give enough clearance.

i would hold off on using the belt sander at the moment though.

[acannell]

any news?

[4 l-bodies]

Asa,
My .02 cents. You have already put in a huge amount of time into this project. It certainly wouldn't bother me in the slightest to put in a small flat spot on flange so it clears. No one is going to see it anyway as it is already on the bottom. I'm pretty picky on how stuff functions and looks too, so I can't imagine anyone getting their panties in a bunch over this.
Bottom line; fix the issue easiest way possible that you personally can live with. IMO, not worth spending much more time reconfiguring the cad design.
Todd

[acannell]

Asa,
My .02 cents. You have already put in a huge amount of time into this project. It certainly wouldn't bother me in the slightest to put in a small flat spot on flange so it clears. No one is going to see it anyway as it is already on the bottom. I'm pretty picky on how stuff functions and looks too, so I can't imagine anyone getting their panties in a bunch over this.
Bottom line; fix the issue easiest way possible that you personally can live with. IMO, not worth spending much more time reconfiguring the cad design.
Todd

i'm considering the flat spot..but I'd like to see what happens when iTurbo does the fitment with the intake off first and the intake gasket installed..maybe we get really lucky and it fits!

if i do the flat Ive gotta get all the group buyers on board..im not sure they would be expecting that..and i dont think they are watching this thread..but who knows

[iTurbo]

So sorry for the wait! We've had a big 'push' to get caught up at work lately and I've also had to delve into fixing my brother's '82 Impala SBC intake/carb problems.

I just took some pictures of prototype #2 on the complete Masi 16v engine..

Here is a picture of the thermostat flange with no thermostat housing installed.
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And here is a picture of attempting to install prototype #1. As you can see it had a ways to go before meeting the head flange because of intake manifold clearance.
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Here are some pictures of attempting to install prototype #2 onto the complete engine. As you can see, it is VERY close to fitting perfectly. Even better than test fitting this part with the bare head/intake I posted in my previous post! There is barely a gap at all on the bottom side if the thermostat housing where it meets the cylinder head. I've posted a close-up shot of where it hits the intake manifold. Either a slight flat spot there, or a slight reclocking of the thermostat outlet flange would be all that is needed to provide necessary clearance. Looking at the thermostat outlet flange from the front side of the motor, if the flange was reclocked just a few degrees counter-clockwise it would make all the difference and negate the need for a flat spot at all.

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I agree with Todd's thoughts on this. I don't think anybody is going to be up in arms if a flat spot is needed on the bottom side as it would be completely out of view on an assembled engine anyway. I am beyond pleased that you've decided to take this project on in the first place! I know you have a lot of irons in the fire right now and I don't want you to be too stuck on making this absolutely perfect in light of that because it's such a niche product.

If I can do anything else, just let me know. Certain views etc... I have not done any sanding to either prototype housings yet and can send them back as soon as you want.

[GLHNSLHT2]

What's the issue causing the interference? A stock 1 sits approx .125-.250 (I just eyeballed it) above the stock intake 1 think I noticed is that the t-stat flange is rotated counter clockwise so the flat is parallel with the intake runner on the stock piece vs not on the prototype. But that still wouldn't give you the amount of clearance a stock one has vs the pics Jeremy is posting.

[acannell]

I agree with Todd's thoughts on this. I don't think anybody is going to be up in arms if a flat spot is needed on the bottom side as it would be completely out of view on an assembled engine anyway. I am beyond pleased that you've decided to take this project on in the first place! I know you have a lot of irons in the fire right now and I don't want you to be too stuck on making this absolutely perfect in light of that because it's such a niche product.

If I can do anything else, just let me know. Certain views etc... I have not done any sanding to either prototype housings yet and can send them back as soon as you want.

Wow thats close. Thanks for the awesome pics Jeremy!

So, which would be better. A flat? Or making the entire outer profile of the flange smaller by about 2mm?

Whats weird is when you clock the flange, that area where its hitting never really changes. It stays pretty much the same depth as the geometry rotates. Hard to explain but you can see it in SW when you rotate it. I rotated it in this #2 prototype as much as possible until it actually started to get deeper.

And how about if I cut the head flange thinner, so the whole thing is moved towards the head a bit more? Along with the flat/smaller flange?

It might be a good idea for you to send it back to me so I can precisely modify it and then send it back to you again. Do you still have the box it came in? If so I can just email you a shipping label to tape to it and you can put it in your mailbox or hand it to your mailman. No post office!

Of course lets finish our discussion about all this before sending it..

[acannell]

What's the issue causing the interference? A stock 1 sits approx .125-.250 (I just eyeballed it) above the stock intake 1 think I noticed is that the t-stat flange is rotated counter clockwise so the flat is parallel with the intake runner on the stock piece vs not on the prototype. But that still wouldn't give you the amount of clearance a stock one has vs the pics Jeremy is posting.

On the stock one, the coolant passage to the head is angled and not normal to the head flange. So it allows the main body and the flange to be angled up and away. Since they cast it that was no big deal. But if I want to do that on a 3 axis i've got to add some complexities I'd rather not add.

[iTurbo]

What's the issue causing the interference? A stock 1 sits approx .125-.250 (I just eyeballed it) above the stock intake 1 think I noticed is that the t-stat flange is rotated counter clockwise so the flat is parallel with the intake runner on the stock piece vs not on the prototype. But that still wouldn't give you the amount of clearance a stock one has vs the pics Jeremy is posting.

It is really tough to say at this point because the clearance is so tight, even on the stock cast piece. If I remember right, the clearance on the stock cast piece was only about 1mm away from the intake manifold. Much less than the .125-.250 you've seen, but every setup is different. I have another production motor I will check this on.. You are right on the T-stat flange 'flat' being parallel with the intake manifold runner though. As you can see in the pics I posted, the 'flat' on prototype #2 is not quite parallel with the intake manifold runner as it is with the stock cast piece.

Kinda funny to think that ~30 years ago there must have been some engineer racking his mind over how to get this to fit just right!

[acannell]

It is really tough to say at this point because the clearance is so tight, even on the stock cast piece. If I remember right, the clearance on the stock cast piece was only about 1mm away from the intake manifold. Much less than the .125-.250 you've seen, but every setup is different. I have another production motor I will check this on.. You are right on the T-stat flange 'flat' being parallel with the intake manifold runner though. As you can see in the pics I posted, the 'flat' on prototype #2 is not quite parallel with the intake manifold runner as it is with the stock cast piece.

Kinda funny to think that ~30 years ago there must have been some engineer racking his mind over how to get this to fit just right!

if there is variability in that gap distance that could be a big problem..I'm already scrounging to get a few mm's more

btw have you tried the new nut reliefs on the #2 proto? do the nuts clear and rest entirely on the flat surfaces? and can you actually get the nuts in there and tighten it down? with the intake off of course)

[iTurbo]

Wow, I didn't even notice that until just now! I've been so concerned with just getting the housing to fit up against the head flange that I didn't even notice the updated nut reliefs in proto #2 versus proto #1. They are much better and I can see how it would aid in tightening the nuts down (with intake manifold removed).

I will try installing the nuts, but with the ever-so-slight clearance issue that still exists with #2, I don't want to break it. This proto #2 is like 99% fitting it is so close! I will be checking my other stock 'production' Masi 16v engine for variances in that thermostat/intake manifold clearance tomorrow. I have no less than 3-4 production engines lying around and I will check them all for variances.

[acannell]

Wow, I didn't even notice that until just now! I've been so concerned with just getting the housing to fit up against the head flange that I didn't even notice the updated nut reliefs in proto #2 versus proto #1. They are much better and I can see how it would aid in tightening the nuts down (with intake manifold removed).

I will try installing the nuts, but with the ever-so-slight clearance issue that still exists with #2, I don't want to break it. This proto #2 is like 99% fitting it is so close! I will be checking my other stock 'production' Masi 16v engine for variances in that thermostat/intake manifold clearance tomorrow. I have no less than 3-4 production engines lying around and I will check them all for variances.

you can test the nuts with the intake manifold off so there is no danger of bending it right? it will definitely bend if you try it with the intake on and its hitting

[iTurbo]

With the intake manifold removed, yes..no danger or bending/flexing the proto thermostat housing. I will try this as I have a fully disassembled 16v engine and also assembled engines to try just about anything on.

[acannell]

With the intake manifold removed, yes..no danger or bending/flexing the proto thermostat housing. I will try this as I have a fully disassembled 16v engine and also assembled engines to try just about anything on.

Okay I think I have a plan. If you send the proto #2 back I can modify it to have an undersize tstat flange (maybe 1 or 2mm), and also shorten the head flange.

Do you still have the box? I'll email you a shipping label you can slap on it and just put it in your mailbox.

One thing: can you ballpark how much further the studs can stick out? If I make the head flange thinner, the studs will get closer to the main body, and I want to make sure they dont hit and that there is room for the nuts. Or can I tell this from pics you already took?

Also, it says your PM box is full

[Reaper1]

I also agree that having a flat on the bottom to clear the intake is no big deal. I'd do that along with the other mods just for margin of safety from manufacturing tolerances.

[iTurbo]

+1, the clearance needed to fit the new thermostat housing *and* clear the intake manifold would be next to nothing to make it fit. Prototype #2 was 99% of the way fitting perfectly on stock production parts. Although I would feel better if the new thermostat housing would bolt up to the head and I could still fit a .025" feeler gauge between the housing and intake manifold. Prototype #2 would require VERY little material to be removed to make everything happy. Good luck with prototype #3. I would love to try it myself but I am under the gun here at work. Testing these on even more engines is a good thing for everybody.

[Reaper1]

Quick update:

Simply put: it fits! I'll post pictures hopefully tonight. I only found 1 thing that is sort of annoying, but it can be worked around and I don't think it's any worse that the OEM part.

Stay tuned for more info. :thumb:

[acannell]

Quick update:

Simply put: it fits! I'll post pictures hopefully tonight. I only found 1 thing that is sort of annoying, but it can be worked around and I don't think it's any worse that the OEM part.

Stay tuned for more info. :thumb:

YAY!!

BTW is the annoying thing that its hard to get the nut on the stud? cant wait to see the pics !

[Reaper1]

Yup, the lower nut is a giant PITA! A wrench might be able to get it all the way if it's thin enough. I did find that if you use a 1/4" drive short 13mm socket with a u-joint and extension you can get to it from under the intake manifold, but the fuel rail most likely will be in the way. I didn't try that, but I can if somebody needs me to.

[acannell]

Yup, the lower nut is a giant PITA! A wrench might be able to get it all the way if it's thin enough. I did find that if you use a 1/4" drive short 13mm socket with a u-joint and extension you can get to it from under the intake manifold, but the fuel rail most likely will be in the way. I didn't try that, but I can if somebody needs me to.

hmm..but its basically the same problem with the oem housing,right?

if so, is it reasonable to say that replacing the tstat housing is probably something you want to do with the engine fully disassembled?

cant wait to see the pics...if you can please post some of the wrench issue too

[Reaper1]

I believe it is the same problem as with the OEM housing. I honestly don't remember and I didn't think to try. I can if you need me to. I would think that there would be very few instances where you would want or need to take the housing back off once the engine is together. I think it might be easier to put the thermostat housing on before the intake manifold. Again, I can try if needed. :thumb:

OK, enough talk...here's the pictures! (This is the 1st post...there are a lot of pictures!)

Proto #3 looks like jewelry!
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21205748_zps4a8ac8ef.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21205748_zps4a8ac8ef.jpg.html)

Clearance between Proto #3 thermostat housing with stock inlet and the intake manifold.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21205953_zps44efd753.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21205953_zps44efd753.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21205935_zps05bd8b06.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21205935_zps05bd8b06.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21205959_zpsd959bd0f.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21205959_zpsd959bd0f.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21205947_zps068c4f21.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21205947_zps068c4f21.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21205637_zps9f8dc965.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21205637_zps9f8dc965.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21205628_zps79916f79.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21205628_zps79916f79.jpg.html)

OEM thermostat installed in Proto #3.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21205301_zpsf096a4bf.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21205301_zpsf096a4bf.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21205255_zps5748f5d4.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21205255_zps5748f5d4.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21210606_zpsb1927f4f.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21210606_zpsb1927f4f.jpg.html)

OEM cap o-ring against Proto #3 with OEM thermostat.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21210541_zpsbf3d225d.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21210541_zpsbf3d225d.jpg.html)

Proto #3 with OEM thermostat housing-to-head o-ring. (That is the original o-ring out of my own housing. It was already split before I even took it out of mine. I think it goes without saying that it's not supposed to be like that! LOL)
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21212413_zpsfc13a8ae.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21212413_zpsfc13a8ae.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21212425_zps4794cbab.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21212425_zps4794cbab.jpg.html)

Proto #3 with new OEM thermostat housing-to-head o-ring
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21212802_zps022b1e12.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21212802_zps022b1e12.jpg.html)

This is showing how much the new o-ring is proud of the mating surface.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21212720_zps43acaf72.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21212720_zps43acaf72.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21212727_zps5bb81959.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21212727_zps5bb81959.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21212749_zps972f8781.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21212749_zps972f8781.jpg.html)

[Reaper1]

OK, 2nd post with pictures:

Showing Proto #3 is flush with the head (it did not move even with the lower nut not pulled down.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204450_zpse6c71daa.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204450_zpse6c71daa.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204523_zps23c2af04.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204523_zps23c2af04.jpg.html)

The valve cover with OEM gaskets in place. It might not look tight in the picture, but I could lift the head by the intake manifold and it didn't budge.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204500_zps81038c43.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204500_zps81038c43.jpg.html)

These next pictures are showing how a wench fits on the nuts while working with Proto #3.
Top nut
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204757_zpsa00d9f56.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204757_zpsa00d9f56.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204811_zps666e7561.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204811_zps666e7561.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204819_zps83457406.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204819_zps83457406.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204824_zpsd94118c2.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204824_zpsd94118c2.jpg.html)

Bottom nut. This is the one that has clearance problems, but as already discussed, this is a problem with the OEM part as well.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204848_zps972ae5ef.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204848_zps972ae5ef.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204857_zpsffb34443.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204857_zpsffb34443.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204917_zps823db980.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204917_zps823db980.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204924_zps3b42948c.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204924_zps3b42948c.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21205004_zps632417af.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21205004_zps632417af.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21205023_zpsc315e815.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21205023_zpsc315e815.jpg.html)

This is how I was able to get to the bottom nut with the intake manifold on the head.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21211354_zps68308bb5.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21211354_zps68308bb5.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21211500_zpsf4e8a7a4.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21211500_zpsf4e8a7a4.jpg.html)

I also happen to be lucky enough to have a billet thermostat housing cap. These were made a while ago by another person. So, I tried it on Proto #3 as well.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21205055_zpsb8cb26b2.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21205055_zpsb8cb26b2.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204440_zps213ad231.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204440_zps213ad231.jpg.html)

Here is a .025" feeler gauge between Proto #3 and the intake manifold. It fit snugly with fair drag.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204702_zps2acb2d99.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204702_zps2acb2d99.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204654_zps8d1ca21e.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204654_zps8d1ca21e.jpg.html)

These are really good views of the gap.
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204638_zpsac6a00d6.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204638_zpsac6a00d6.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204624_zps77f66432.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204624_zps77f66432.jpg.html)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/2014-04-21204605_zps7953a4c6.jpg (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rcktsrgn/media/2014-04-21204605_zps7953a4c6.jpg.html)

I hope I covered enough for everyone. If you want to see something, please ask me. I'm going to hold onto the part for a few more days so people have the opportunity to ask for something I might not have shown and then I'm going to send it back. I think this thing is friggin awesome! I can't wait to get one! :thumb:

[acannell]

pics look great! thanks Reaper1!

And I'm officially re-opening the group buy list, as it stands its:

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If anyone else would like to join in now is the time!

[iTurbo]

Looks like a winner! Thanks for the pictures and I am relieved that a .025 feeler gauge fits in between the housing and manifold now.

Payment sent in full today for two housings. Thanks for taking on this project Asa.

[acannell]

iTurbo has purchased 2 adapters! Huge thanks to you Jeremy for all your help and support and $$! I will begin machining your adapters immediately! :D

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[4 l-bodies]

Asa, Make mine too. 100% payment sent.

[acannell]

Asa, Make mine too. 100% payment sent.

Thank you!! The bandsaw is already cutting your guy's stocks!!

iTurbo has purchased 2 adapters! Huge thanks to you Jeremy for all your help and support and $$! I will begin machining your adapters immediately!

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[Reaper1]

Money sent!!!

[acannell]

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[acannell]

okay I figured out who William Bab---- was. Thank you!!

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[acannell]

okay I figured out who William Bab---- was. Thank you!!

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Thank you AZOrion!! :D

[acannell]

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Thank you rofly1!!

[acannell]

iTurbo and 4Lbodies, your housings will ship on Monday :)

tracking numbers emailed! thank you!!

iTurbo has collected quite a bit of bling here...

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff197/acannell/photobucket-2661-1398553435428_zps65dbf2fe.jpg

[iTurbo]

Ha, you have no idea...

Asa, you rock and I would love to be able to send you more parts if you are interested.

[acannell]

Ha, you have no idea...

Asa, you rock and I would love to be able to send you more parts if you are interested.

Indeed I am! I'm going to spend some time trying to finish the 2.2/2.5 intake manifold, but I definitely want to have another Masi part cooking up. If you have another part you'd like made and you think would have a similar level of interest let me know, I'm up for it.

[iTurbo]

Well, I did buy the Masi 16v intake manifold flange that was recently on eBay. So I have that, and also some valve cover vent ports that were on a prototype engine I bought last year. These wouldn't take much aluminum to do, and 'should' work on production heads as well. Just food for though, and no problem with you wanting to finish the 2.2/2.5 intake manifold first!

[Reaper1]

Asa, I need to get you my oil filler cap. I keep meaning to get pictures for you. My head is kind of buried.

I'd be down for an intake manifold flange. I'd rather not cut up my stock one.

Another part would be exhaust manifold flanges. The one I have is very nice, it is stainless and is water jetted out, so I don't know if that would be something you could do. There are a few that have been able to make the stock manifold work with a larger turbo without this spacer flange, but using that flange is one of the better/easier ways to do it.

I still would like to have a stock-sized crank pulley, but made out of aluminum. Maybe include a mounting provision for a 36-1 tone ring.

[acannell]

Asa, I need to get you my oil filler cap. I keep meaning to get pictures for you. My head is kind of buried.

I'd be down for an intake manifold flange. I'd rather not cut up my stock one.

Another part would be exhaust manifold flanges. The one I have is very nice, it is stainless and is water jetted out, so I don't know if that would be something you could do. There are a few that have been able to make the stock manifold work with a larger turbo without this spacer flange, but using that flange is one of the better/easier ways to do it.

I still would like to have a stock-sized crank pulley, but made out of aluminum. Maybe include a mounting provision for a 36-1 tone ring.

Sounds juicy. Before we start shipping stuff though, lets test the waters to make sure there is interest. I'd say a couple new-item-specific threads would be in order. One for the oil cap, and one for both the intake and exhuast flanges. Id probably steer clear of the crank pulley at the moment though, but perhaps return to it later.

[iTurbo]

Agreed, and I would certainly be interested an intake manifold flange. I have a couple flanges that I would be happy to send if/when the time is right. Hell, I'll send a whole cylinder head if it warrants it. The Masi 16v head is surprisingly light/compact compared to the TIII head.

[Reaper1]

Yup. Masi head is around 44#'s. I'd have to re-look it up in my build thread because I know that number is close, but there was something that wasn't on the head, so it wasn't fully dressed IIRC.

[iTurbo]

Just weighed the new casting I have here, which only has valve guides and seats, and all of the many studs for the intake/exhaust manifolds, thermostat housing, and cam caps. 27 lbs.

No valve cover, cams, valves, springs, buckets, shims, retainers, etc.

[acannell]

1. iTurbo (shipped)
2. iTurbo (shipped)
3. Reaper1 (delivered)
4. 4-lbodies (shipped)
5. Argosy1430Z (50% deposit rcvd)
6. AZOrion (50% deposit rcvd)
7. AZOrion (50% deposit rcvd)
8. rofly1 (50% deposit rcvd)
9. sctc (50% deposit recvd)
10. sctc (message sent)
11. sctc (message sent)
12. 'Lil_omni (message sent)
13. AZOrion (50% deposit rcvd)

this update is a little late..the ones listed as shipped actually shipped a few days ago.

I have 4 more machined and they just need some tapping. I will try to ship them tomorrow.

[acannell]

1. iTurbo (shipped)
2. iTurbo (shipped)
3. Reaper1 (delivered)
4. 4-lbodies (shipped)
5. Argosy1430Z (50% deposit rcvd)
6. AZOrion (shipped, waiting for remaining 50%)
7. AZOrion (shipped, waiting for remaining 50%)
8. rofly1 (shipped, waiting for remaining 50%)
9. sctc (50% deposit recvd)
10. sctc (message sent)
11. sctc (message sent)
12. 'Lil_omni (message sent)
13. AZOrion (shipped, waiting for remaining 50%)

some more have been shipped, please send remaining 50%! thank you!

[iTurbo]

Just got my new housings in the mail today, thanks again Asa.

You can send the stock housing back whenever you want....no rush.

[acannell]

1. iTurbo (shipped)
2. iTurbo (shipped)
3. Reaper1 (delivered)
4. 4-lbodies (shipped)
5. Argosy1430Z (50% deposit rcvd)
6. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)
7. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)
8. rofly1 (shipped, waiting for remaining 50%)
9. sctc (50% deposit recvd)
10. sctc (message sent)
11. sctc (message sent)
12. 'Lil_omni (message sent)
13. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)

thank you AZOrion!!

[iTurbo]

I checked the two housings I bought from Asa tonight on the 'mock-up motor' and a production engine that has never been apart on an engine stand. They seem to fit great!

[acannell]

I checked the two housings I bought from Asa tonight on the 'mock-up motor' and a production engine that has never been apart on an engine stand. They seem to fit great!

great to hear, thanks for doing that

[acannell]

1. iTurbo (delivered, paid in full)
2. iTurbo (delivered, paid in full)
3. Reaper1 (delivered, paid in full)
4. 4-lbodies (shipped, paid in full)
5. Argosy1430Z (50% deposit rcvd)
6. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)
7. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)
8. rofly1 (delivered, paid in full)
9. sctc (50% deposit recvd)
10. sctc (message sent)
11. sctc (message sent)
12. 'Lil_omni (message sent)
13. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)

thanks rofly1!!

[acannell]

1. iTurbo (delivered, paid in full)
2. iTurbo (delivered, paid in full)
3. Reaper1 (delivered, paid in full)
4. 4-lbodies (shipped, paid in full)
5. Argosy1430Z (shipping tomorrow, waiting for remaining 50%)
6. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)
7. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)
8. rofly1 (delivered, paid in full)
9. sctc (shipped, waiting for remaining 50%)
10. sctc (message sent)
11. sctc (message sent)
12. 'Lil_omni (unable to reach. removing from group buy)
13. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)

Another two shipped, please send the remaining 50%!

I have been unable to reach Lil_omni for weeks. I dont have enough material left to machine any more without buying enough for at least 4, so I am removing Lil_omni from the group buy, sadly. I may machine more of these in the future but I'm done for the moment. If anyone is interested in one please post here.

[acannell]

1. iTurbo (delivered, paid in full)
2. iTurbo (delivered, paid in full)
3. Reaper1 (delivered, paid in full)
4. 4-lbodies (shipped, paid in full)
5. Argosy1430Z (shipping tomorrow, waiting for remaining 50%)
6. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)
7. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)
8. rofly1 (delivered, paid in full)
9. sctc (shipped, paid in full)
10. sctc (message sent)
11. sctc (message sent)
12. 'Lil_omni (unable to reach. removed from group buy)
13. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)

thank you sctc!

Also, NEWS FLASH:

I am selling prototype #1 and prototype #2 at steep discounts!

Both of them will require modification in order to fit. The tstat housing you end up using with them will also likely require modification.

I have no way to verify or test whether or not modifiying them will work, and I cant accept returns for them for any reason, so please carefully read the R&D thread to see what the fitment pictures showed about them before you decide to purchase either one!

Prototype #1 has a very rough finish with some machining errors on the head flange. It will also likely need more heavy modification to fit than prototype #2, so I am selling it for only $50 shipped!

Prototype #2 has a production quality finish, and will likely require more minor modification than prototype #1, so I'm selling it for $99 shipped!

If you are interested just send the paypal to acannell@gmail.com. Make sure to send your shipping address in the paypal notes!

Again, please do your research in the R&D thread before considering spending your hard earned money on these risky prototypes!

The R&D thread is here:

http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f321/f337/633513-masi-thermostat-box-9.html#post3241362

The pictures show some untapped holes, but all holes will be tapped when you receive either one.

The first picture is prototype #1, and the second is prototype #2. There are many more pictures including fitment test pictures in the R&D thread.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff197/acannell/photobucket-9564-1392222260200_zpsaf161a97.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff197/acannell/photobucket-8505-1395198189468_zpsea368c1b.jpg

[acannell]

1. iTurbo (delivered, paid in full)
2. iTurbo (delivered, paid in full)
3. Reaper1 (delivered, paid in full)
4. 4-lbodies (shipped, paid in full)
5. Argosy1430Z (delivered, waiting for remaining 50%)
6. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)
7. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)
8. rofly1 (delivered, paid in full)
9. sctc (shipped, paid in full)
10. sctc (shipped, paid in full)
11. sctc (shipped, paid in full)
12. 'Lil_omni (moved to next group buy)
13. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)

Thank you sctc!!

[iTurbo]

Awesome! Looks like this has been a successful Group Buy to me! Thanks to all for supporting this!!! I seriously appreciate having this part in hand and ready to go.

[acannell]

Awesome! Looks like this has been a successful Group Buy to me! Thanks to all for supporting this!!! I seriously appreciate having this part in hand and ready to go.

Yep looks like it was a winner! Big thanks to iTurbo and Reaper1 for doing the testing, and to everyone who bought one! :D

[acannell]

1. iTurbo (delivered, paid in full)
2. iTurbo (delivered, paid in full)
3. Reaper1 (delivered, paid in full)
4. 4-lbodies (shipped, paid in full)
5. Argosy1430Z (delivered, paid in full)
6. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)
7. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)
8. rofly1 (delivered, paid in full)
9. sctc (shipped, paid in full)
10. sctc (shipped, paid in full)
11. sctc (shipped, paid in full)
12. 'Lil_omni (moved to next group buy)
13. AZOrion (shipped, paid in full)

Thank you Argosy1430Z!!

And thank you everyone else too! This group buy is officially a success, oh the memories, we laughed, and we cried.

Anyone who missed out is welcome to join the next group buy, just post here and you shall be added! I found a place to get a big block of 6061 that can make 4 housings so thats the new threshold! Price is still just $145 shipped.

1. Lil'Omni
2.
3.
4.

And dont forget, I'm selling the first two prototypes at big discounts. See previous post!

[acannell]

i was able to get a chunk of 6061 enough for 4 at a deal, so I am machining 4 right now!

if anyone wants one now is the time!