www.ConsulierGTP.com

[Johnny]

I registered this web site.
starting in January I'd like to start adding info...history, about the cars, etc.
maybe even a couple of photos of each car I can get owners to submit photos
and the last two digits of the vin. And a little about the car.

any input is welcome.

It will NOT have a forum, I will direct people to this site for that.

Johnny

SEND info and photos to: GLHS289@hotmail.com

[168glhs1986]

Looking forward to this site. Its going to be a lot of work but i will help byposting plenty of stuff in it.

[Johnny]

Anyone can start….send me two photos of their GTP, some info and last two digits of the car.
And name? Maybe people don't want there full name out there…maybe just the first name published.
Ideas?

Anyway, I'll start saving.

[2.216VTurbo]

Namechange? 82BuiltConsulierGTPCars.com;)

[Johnny]

83BuiltConsulierGTPCars.com

depends who you talk to.

[player1up]

What kind of format will the site have? Maybe kinda like allpar ?
Home page with some pics and base info, then maybe links for History, Specs, and maybe a sub page for each car made with individual car history?

Ooooo I'm geekin out over here!!!! ( btw I work in IT ;) )

[Johnny]

That is the very thing I was thinking.

Oh, send info and photos to: GLHS289@hotmail.com

[player1up]

I was thinking it might be cool to have an events schedule on the site. For example if I were to be planning to take the Consulier to a track day event or a car show we could post it up.
Maybe to keep the owners in touch and/or to let visitors to the site know where they could go see one in person if there is an event in their area.
Not really sure what that would look like or how to implement that, but just thinking out loud.
Johnny, Will the site be interactive? like have "members" ? I'm asking that because we could input our own items into a web calendar object if we had logins.
I know there are a few places that offer online calendars for web pages.
One thing I learned really early about personal projects is that I wanted to build as much automation into it so I'm not spending huge amounts of time "managing" the site or application.

[BadAssPerformance]

Great idea for a site Johnny!

[Johnny]

Good ideas, thank you for the input.

[85boostbox]

Johnny I have some vinyl that matches the color of your pink very closely. It is a brand new roll. 50 yards. Would sell it for cheap if interested

[Johnny]

When I repainted it, it will not be a match of the faded looking pink on the car right now. I want it darker.
so....keep that in mind.

[85boostbox]

It's magenta. I'll get you a picture tomorrow of it

[Johnny]

http://www.consuliergtp.com

Time to email me your info if you have a Consulier GTP
need one photo (for now) the last two numbers of your VIN
and what every you want to say about the car.

[Johnny]

Got started on the site.
Need your info please!!!

[Reaper1]

Another site to add to my favorites!! :thumb:

[Johnny]

Come on Consulier owners, I need your help. Adding your car to the gallery section.
No one is responding. (well couple did) You hate the idea? Am I doing it wrong?

Let me know!

[Johnny]

Added a few cars today.

[Reaper1]

I haven't had any issues at the house but I figured I'd let you know I can't pull up the website at work because the security system thinks there's a virus. I honestly don't think that's the case, but I thought I'd give you a heads up in case somebody out there decided to try and muck up our fun.

[Johnny]

I dont think there is….I sure didn't put one there.

[Johnny]

What kind of a girl rides in a GTP?

http://www.consuliergtp.com/gallery2.html

[Reaper1]

She could ride in a Pontiac Aztec and it would look good! LMAO!

[168glhs1986]

Johnny, very good artile about Fitch and his true beliefs on the Consulier

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/09/22/an-afternoon-with-john-fitch/

[Johnny]

How embarrassing! :)

[168glhs1986]

Johnny, trying to PM you, your inbox is full.

[Johnny]

Use my email:
GLHS289@hotmail.com

[Johnny]

Started a new page for the site…Consuliers in Print.

http://www.consuliergtp.com/gtpinprint.html

[SactoShadow]

Wow, never knew about these! Whats the price range on one?

[Johnny]

About a Consulier?

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They seem to sell for about $16 to $21 thousand in the last ebay auctions.

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New they were $54 to $69 thousand back in the early 90's.

[2.216VTurbo]

About a Consulier?

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They seem to sell for about $16 to $21 thousand in the last ebay auctions.

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New they were $54 to $69 thousand back in the early 90's.


Or$3.5K at the firesale prices...

[Johnny]

Or$3.5K at the firesale prices...

Or $4,500 to $15,000 I think this was more like it.

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http://www.consuliergtp.com/gtpinprint.html

I added a few cool items today.

[Johnny]

Added one from Motor Trend called "Consulier HARDCORE".

...and one from CAR Austrialia called Mosler's Misfit".
"Make an ugly women your wife, you'll be happy the rest of your life"

[5DIGITS]

Johnny,
Checked it out and that's a very cool site.

[Johnny]

Checked it out and that's a very cool site.
Thanks!


http://www.consuliergtp.com/gallery2.html (http://www.consuliergtp.com/gallery2.html)

Added 3 more photos, a couple I have never seen before.

[GLHNSLHT2]

I wouldn't be washing your car where that --- was Johnny :) mmmmmm

[Johnny]

Got my old issue of AutoWeek in the mail today. December 30th, 1991 issue.
I am now sharing it with you.

There is a three page article "Proving a Point".

All about the $100,000 Challenge put on by Mosler.

http://www.consuliergtp.com/gtpinprint.html

This link will take you to the GTP's In Print page.
The pdf links you want for this are in the lower right corner.

[Rrider]

Thank you for sharing all these articles!

So an RUF turbo on slicks can beat a T3 GTP on intermediates.. I think I'm OK with that. :P

[168glhs1986]

How do we donate articles or money to your website?

[Johnny]

Email a pdf to me or mail the magazine…then I'll scan it and mail it back.

[Johnny]

Added a page on front coil-over removal and install.

http://www.consuliergtp.com/consulier3.html

[jacob mosler]

nice!



Added a page on front coil-over removal and install.

http://www.consuliergtp.com/consulier3.html

[Johnny]

Added another car......

http://www.consuliergtp.com/gallery.html

also organized the PARTS page to make it easy to find things....

http://www.consuliergtp.com/parts.html

[Johnny]

Added a couple more cars to the gallery section. Have one more to add, as soon as I get the number.
One added was a black one. Also updated ones of the 16V car.

[168glhs1986]

^^ Thanks Johnny. It's nice to have them displayed like that....

So I do see some consistency on the front wheel well design......somewhere between Steve's car #15 and your car #19 the design changed.

I'd be interested in seeing where the dash board change took place. But it doesn't look like there is any consistency at all there. Except for maybe NO TARGAS got the series 2 dash.

How many series 2 dash boards are out there? I know my car #45 and car #46 have them. I'm so confused, lol.

[Johnny]

I do hope to get many cars on this. Maybe see some day which car had what first.
Like first wheel opening change
First 2 fan car
First dash change

Like this...early car because of round wheel opening, but two fans.
This is one of the cars waiting to go on the gallery section.

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A really different rear end.

[168glhs1986]

Nice! What car # is that? Haven't seen that rear before. I guess it may not have cooled as well so they changed it to fully vented?

[Johnny]

I don't know the number yet, that's why it's not on the web site yet.
he said he would get back to me.

[GLHNSLHT2]

I bet it's between #36 and #44.

[168glhs1986]

^^^ I would disagree.

I would say its one of the early cars. Guessing right around 8-11 due to the fit and finish.

The early cars received ALL the attention as hopes of sales were high.

Once they realized sales were flat they tried to jump start with series 2 and when that didn't work the fit and finish suffered.

Have you seen my stock engine bay?

Compare my engine bay to the early cars engine bays. The early cars are clean / neat and tidy.

Mine looked like a birds nest.

Also compare early interiors to later interiors. They started out with tufted door panels and finished with molded plastic.

Could have also been some for weight savings but I digress.

Also for this particular car it has series 1 front wheel arches.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/30/juhetege.jpg

[Johnny]

It is 009!

[168glhs1986]

Ha! Who knows there Consulier's Baby!

Nice looking car. I like the Consulier Industries logo.

[GLHNSLHT2]

wow, I was basing it on the rear end of all the early #'s cars on Johnny's gallery page. They all have that just weird designed openings and single fans.

[Johnny]

It has two fans, so maybe it was updated later? I'll see if I can find out.

[Johnny]

Added a couple more cars....

http://www.consuliergtp.com/gallery.html

[Johnny]

Added one more. Maybe someday will have all? :)

[GTP#44]

Added one more. Maybe someday will have all? :)
Unless you email Warren for pictures of his stash I doubt you will get them all.
Do you know how to contact him ..?
If no call me ..I will set you guys up he LOVES the Consuliers they are his babies...!

[Rrider]

That #1 car being racecar 22 makes me think the first 21 cars never saw VINs or the streets. The math is almost right on to 100 cars if that is the case 82 VIN'd cars plus 21 or so race cars. Unless of course those 21 race cars were added in that 82 number already.

Did that number come from somebody was there all the way from the start to the finish of GTP production?

If that ebay ad has the vin right, there are two #8 cars.. one 1988 and one 1990.

[wheming]

Unless you email Warren for pictures of his stash I doubt you will get them all.
Do you know how to contact him ..?
If no call me ..I will set you guys up he LOVES the Consuliers they are his babies...!

How many did he keep?
I know that white one with the titanium stripe is one of my favorites.

[Johnny]

All I have heard is "he has a few".

[GTP#44]

All I have heard is "he has a few".
I keep dropping hints to my "connection" that I want to go see all the cars in the double secret storage area.
I believe there is at least one Raptor that counts as a Consulier right..?
Not sure how many Consuliers either I bet 4..... he did make the offer to buy any one that went for sale.
Jacob would be able to say for sure or even get some info for you.

[wheming]

It is at least 2 if he kept the red one with the srt4 motor and the white striped one he keeps in St. Croix.
I'm guessing he'd have at least another driver in the states.

I don't know when, but I hope to see and experience one some day.

[Johnny]

don't know when, but I hope to see and experience one some day.

Not going to SDAC this year?

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Jacob would be able to say for sure or even get some info for you.

I have asked, but no response on this.

[wheming]

Not going to SDAC this year?


I wish I could, but sadly no.
Getting married in Sept and have a pile of work to do before then. And neither car is ready. :(
(<<< that's for the cars, not the wedding! ;) )

[DaveSkrab]

Congratulations! I have the exact same excuse for missing SDAC this year.

[wheming]

I think there's at least a few of us in the same boat then.
A buddy just married yesterday, so I don't think he had plans to go this year either.
And congrats to you too! :beer:

[Johnny]

Added a 2 page AutoWeek article about the Consulier.
July 17th 1989

http://www.consuliergtp.com/gtpinprint.html

It is the link at this page on the bottom right.

[Johnny]

Added car #012.
Car 11 and 12 are almost the same color.

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Sure wish I could find 17 and 18!!!!!
Someplace in this area is where the front wheel arch changed.
And would help to see if 19 was the first targa.
Maybe it was, maybe designed for the calendar promo.

[168glhs1986]

Website is great Johnny.

Does anyone know how many series 2 cars they made? I know of 2 with the series 2 dash. Mine ( used to be Dr. Steves) and Steves current car.

[player1up]

There was at least one ( silver car ) at the shop that I saw that was a series 2 with the curved dash. I also know that Deryk's car ( red ) is a series 2

Seems like there were a few that were half way between like the targa cars that have the series 2 front wheel opening shape but have the flat dash. Who am I kidding? Every one of these are different so that theory might not hold up.

[168glhs1986]

So that's four that we know of with curved dash's.

Who here also thinks that only 40 ish cars were ever made

[Rrider]

How many are out there in the hands of non car peeps or non internet people.. maybe in storage or something. Not everybody digs using the web/email, and not everybody is like us, all in to these automobiles.

[MPI_duster]

So that's four that we know of with curved dash's.

Who here also thinks that only 40 ish cars were ever made

It's hard to say how many were made, maybe on 40 were ever for the street. There was certainly a pile of them at the mosler factory. I've found between 3-5 through my searches online that were/are privately owned that are separate from the sale we all got in on. Those plus, the wrecked ones, plus all of ours should be around 40. There are also the cars that were never completed full, which I know of 3-4. A buddy of mine has one of the original crash test cars. I think it would all come down to when and how they started counting.

[Johnny]

Added a car to the gallery...the (one of ?) electric GTP
car #21

http://www.consuliergtp.com/gallery.html

[Johnny]

Added the GTP Consulier owners manual in pdf form.
(Thanks to new GTP owner "Rottie")

http://www.consuliergtp.com

then look at the top left, click and you got it.

[Johnny]

"Parts" section updated.

[Johnny]

Added a pdf of one of the last ads that Mosler/Consulier put out there to try selling the Consuliers off before they sold to Rossion.

http://www.consuliergtp.com/pdffolder/gtpforsale.pdf

[Johnny]

Here is an enlargement of the text section.

http://www.consuliergtp.com/pdffolder/gtpadtext.pdf

[Johnny]

Had this Consulier factory parts list shared with me by a couple guys.
Finally added it to the web site.

Facory Parts List
This is the factory parts list that was shared with me.
Not sure it it will help anyone, but it is interesting to see.
The "CH" numbers are Chrysler and the "CR" ones are
Consulier made ones.

http://www.consuliergtp.com/parts.html

The link near the bottom of the page.

[player1up]

Awesome, Thanks!!!!! Lots of interesting stuff on that list
I'm gonna start typing that into a spreadsheet for searchability's sake.

[Johnny]

ADDED 4 pdf pages of a 4-page, 12"x8" pamphlet that I acquired.
Thought I would share it here.

Look here at this link, then go to the very bottom-right.
There you will find the links to the 4 pages of the pdf's.

http://www.consuliergtp.com/gtpinprint.html

[bfarroo]

Had this Consulier factory parts list shared with me by a couple guys.
Finally added it to the web site.

Facory Parts List
This is the factory parts list that was shared with me.
Not sure it it will help anyone, but it is interesting to see.
The "CH" numbers are Chrysler and the "CR" ones are
Consulier made ones.

http://www.consuliergtp.com/parts.html

The link near the bottom of the page.

I was reading through the parts list again and noticed the rubber muffler bearing on page 9 and got a chuckle!

[Johnny]

Added car vin 34 here......

http://www.consuliergtp.com/gallery.html

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Added three more photos here...

http://www.consuliergtp.com/gallery2.html

[Chris W]

Johnny,

You need to update on Steve's car now that it lives in FL again.

Chris

[Johnny]

Was contacted today from a fellow Oregonian that has a former IMSA race car.
Added it to the gallery section...down, second from the bottom.

http://www.consuliergtp.com/gallery.html

[168glhs1986]

Nice Johnny. Cars are coming out of the woodwork. Glad to hear he is prepping it for road duty again.

[Johnny]

Track day duty.

[GTP#44]

Johnny,
I am so proud of you for starting to keep track of our cars.
You deserve a HUGE thanks for the time and effort you put into keeping this part of history alive and organized.
I heard Warren put a 250K price on any of his collection......should we be driving these things.??

[168glhs1986]

Agreed Randy. Johnny is a terrific ambassador.

[Johnny]

Well, thank you! :)

[Johnny]

Just up loaded the service manual, owners manual and "info on corporate at the beginning" here on the lower left of the home page.
Links are to pdf pages.....

http://www.consuliergtp.com (http://www.consuliergtp.com/)

[player1up]

The owners manual actually has some part numbers included for "wear" items....and finally, There's info on what all the A/C knobs do ;) I could have used that a couple of years ago but by now I've got it figured out lol I didn't actually know that the knobs have alternate functions when only pulled part way out.

[polopharm]

Such as ?

[player1up]

Such as ?

oh, like making the defrost and foot vents work at the same time.

[polopharm]

Wow. A miracle of technology! They just open and close flaps in the ducts, no?

[player1up]

Wow. A miracle of technology! They just open and close flaps in the ducts, no?
Hey, don't laugh at my naivety lol
yes, but I just assumed they were on / off type things. Either dash vent on or defrost vents on. I don't remember seeing floor vents...

[2.216VTurbo]

GTP's have heat?? The things I'm learning here;)...

[Johnny]

Mine does and works well. Might even feel it if I ever put the top on or the back window in.....