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DOG-DID-IT
01-06-2006, 01:03 PM
If possible wouldn't this intake be nice for a 16v Conversion!

http://www.cosworth.com/shop_item.php?productid=72

Cost $695:faint:


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turbovanmanČ
01-06-2006, 01:12 PM
Thats awfully expensive. Wallace's are cheaper I think and you can buy ones for the 2.4L head for less.

Frank
01-06-2006, 01:17 PM
Yeh... especially since you can't view the internals... I know I would want to for a cast manifold.


Frank

Russ Jerome
01-06-2006, 02:20 PM
Queer looking inlet bellyfeed's the small plenum for
packaging reasons. I have seen the inside of the
Lonewolf intakes and it would be VERY difficult to
make one nearly as nice as there's.

Frank
01-06-2006, 02:29 PM
Exactly. There are few that have nice internal plenums and runners. Venom, LW, and the Indy. However they each have their downfalls... LW not as popular, Indy is too small of plenum, and venom is just plain massive.


Frank

87csx2.4
01-12-2006, 07:47 PM
Indy is too small of plenumNot true the indy plenum is huge I just finished mine it has an average ID of 6 inches.Plus it has built in 55mm velocity stacks.

87csx2.4
01-15-2006, 01:13 PM
Not true the indy plenum is huge I just finished mine it has an average ID of 6 inches.Plus it has built in 55mm velocity stacks.Wasn't trying to be a smarta** frank I thought the same thing til I actually measured one the runners are awesome looking we will find out in the spring if it shows a gain.

Frank
01-15-2006, 04:33 PM
No problem. I personally like the intake. My thoughts were just that the plenum, not the runners, was too small (the other half of the intake then what you posted in the picture). However I never have seen good pictures of the inside of it. In theory, with large runners and velocity stacks, you want a large plenum... in theory... which can be laughable sometimes.


Frank

87csx2.4
01-16-2006, 12:12 PM
Originally I took a 2 piece neon intake added 1 inch to the plenum the most you can do without hitting the starter.It worked very well but the runners are about 6 inch longer than the indy.The plenum on the indy is about two times the size of the neon 2 piece with an inch added to it.I think it will compliment my setup for a high rpm street strip car, Ive also put some crane #18's in.I will be going to the dyno with this as soon as the drivetrain is finished being setup to handle hopefully around 550 to 600 whp with stephane's help.I will take some installed pics so you can see exactly how big the plenum actually is.Let me tell you this thing was a pita to install everyone was right about that especially if you are running the stratus style alternator.

Frank
01-16-2006, 12:24 PM
Wow.... the other pictures I have of the indy intake are deciving! I didnt realize the plenum was that big! Nice! Those runners have always been impressive.


Frank

87csx2.4
01-16-2006, 12:38 PM
Yeah they are,it measures like 9 inches on the tb end and 5 inches on the #1 end and width wise its like 3 1/2.So volume wise it should be great,I cant wait to see what kind of gains I get.I talked to a guy at Indy cylinder heads they say they can cnc port your head (16 valve)and get 320 cfm on the intake side.I should have a nice dyno plot to put in the dyno section soon.

Frank
01-16-2006, 01:31 PM
Wow!!!

turbovanmanČ
01-18-2006, 01:55 AM
.I talked to a guy at Indy cylinder heads they say they can cnc port your head (16 valve)and get 320 cfm on the intake side.I should have a nice dyno plot to put in the dyno section soon.

Double WOW!!!!

What about the exhaust side?

87csx2.4
01-18-2006, 03:12 AM
Double WOW!!!!

What about the exhaust side?All he would say was 70% of the intake which would be great.The best part is the price I believe it was 350.00 to do your bare casting.

Frank
01-18-2006, 08:11 AM
Damn!!!! I have been planning out a V6 turbo car, but man... I want to do a 2.4L just so I can have an efficent, high hp motor. I already have a SC6152S.... hmmm.


Frank

87csx2.4
01-18-2006, 09:42 AM
Now your talkin,that daytona would look good with a 2.4 in it.These sc-61 turbos kick but.

Frank
01-18-2006, 10:21 AM
Well the daytona is staying 2.5L Turbo... to much done and too sweet. The Shadow that I have was getting a 3V6 motor. The problem is pistons, rods, and such cost twice as much. In addition, even though Steve Menagon has a set of heads for it, they suck worse then the 2.2/2.5L. I am going to have him finish, then sell them. I may be out of a little money, but I will make it up big time by not having to construct both a turbo exhaust manifold or an intake manifold from almost scratch. Here I can buy some of it. Plus with solid lifters, and other stuff, it will be sweet.

Whats the largest bore you can go on the 2.4L????


Frank

Frank
01-18-2006, 10:46 AM
Oh, what is your redline currently at on the 2.4L? I heard with head work and cam, 7k rpm is no sweat.


Frank

87csx2.4
01-18-2006, 06:12 PM
Oh, what is your redline currently at on the 2.4L? I heard with head work and cam, 7k rpm is no sweat.


FrankThe way it sits now mild port and polish done to the head and 2.0 cams and the neon 2 piece intake it will go to 7000 but feels like it starts to fade about 7200.But ive already installed the indy and Ive got some crane #18's that are going in,it should pull 7500 no problem.
Whats the largest bore you can go on the 2.4L????
Im not really sure I went 20 over with mine and it didnt really need that,I would stay as close to the stock bore as possible.

Frank
01-18-2006, 06:16 PM
Cool. One last question.... lol. How does your SC6152S spool?


Frank

87csx2.4
01-18-2006, 09:22 PM
Believe it or not it spools like a mitsu on a 2.5,if I want to pull a holeshot there is no brake boost involved just punchit and the tires are blazing.I logged some brake boost's in my drive before going to the track.I was trying different things retard timing etc.to see what would build boost on the line the fastest.It showed on my log as soon as I matted the throttle it took 2.5 seconds to build 12 psi.Stalling converter to 4000 rpm.

glhs875
01-18-2006, 10:02 PM
Cool. One last question.... lol. How does your SC6152S spool?


Frank

Like a stocker!! I liked that turbo so much after riding in Kevin's car, and with it's HP potential, I bought one for my GLHS!:thumb:

glhs875
01-18-2006, 10:06 PM
Believe it or not it spools like a mitsu on a 2.5,if I want to pull a holeshot there is no brake boost involved just punchit and the tires are blazing.I logged some brake boost's in my drive before going to the track.I was trying different things retard timing etc.to see what would build boost on the line the fastest.It showed on my log as soon as I matted the throttle it took 2.5 seconds to build 12 psi.Stalling converter to 4000 rpm.

It does pretty darn good just from nailing the throttle from an idle! So far, all things considered, that is the best performing turbo that I have been around. It's excellent for the street, and has 600+ HP potential.

Frank
01-18-2006, 10:40 PM
Yeh I have one also. I want to mate mine to this....
http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/images/release102705/atp-wgt-023_3.jpg

I might just do the 2.4L instead of the V6.... WAY WAY WAY less fabrication. In addition, the head flow is sick if what you say about the Indy head is true! Mated to my 568 internals and quafe.... hmmm.


Frank

87csx2.4
01-18-2006, 11:05 PM
Thats the setup you need brian looks sweet,mines the same except with an external gate.

glhs875
01-19-2006, 11:15 AM
Thats the setup you need brian looks sweet,mines the same except with an external gate.

That should be pretty close to what I will be getting! Should find out in the next day or so, as they called me to let me know is has been shipped already. And that was within a week!:thumb:

Khajjathefang
01-19-2006, 12:12 PM
have you run the #18 cams yet? thoughts? i was thinking about grabbing the #14s bt if bigger is better...

87csx2.4
01-19-2006, 04:58 PM
No havent ran them yet but hopefully this weekend.

Andre Parker
01-22-2006, 03:16 PM
They make a 2.7 stroker kit for the 2.4 motor. I believe Howell carries them. I had a customer who was going to go this route but a divorce put the hiatus on it and he just stayed with the 2.4 to save some coin.

Frank
01-22-2006, 08:17 PM
A stroker for a 2.4??? Man, that thing is a stroker already! LOL.

Khajjathefang
01-23-2006, 09:31 AM
i remember reading about that kit in car and driver a while back, i think they were claiming over 300 hp NA. dunno if it was at the wheel or supporting mods though

Andre Parker
01-24-2006, 02:04 PM
You think you have torque problems with a 2.5 or a 2.4, that thing would be like a mini diesel. I think it would be awsome in something heavy like a mini van. In a light car, you would need some serious cam, port work and a big time flowing intake to move your power band up where you could even have a chance of using it.

turbovanmanČ
01-24-2006, 05:10 PM
All he would say was 70% of the intake which would be great.The best part is the price I believe it was 350.00 to do your bare casting.

Do you think they could do the Lotus head?

$350 is a wicked deal, I would consider going back to the Neon head route just because of that.

87csx2.4
01-24-2006, 06:57 PM
You could call and ask them they may do it,but it may cost more because they would probably have to create a new program for the cnc.

turbovanmanČ
01-24-2006, 07:04 PM
You could call and ask them they may do it,but it may cost more because they would probably have to create a new program for the cnc.


I will give them a call one day.

Frank
01-24-2006, 09:07 PM
It would cost way more... see you are a one off setup. All of the port walls have to be sonic tested for thickness to determined how much can be removed. If you knew of a bad head, then things would be easier because they could cut up that old head to get a good idea.


Frank

turbovanmanČ
01-24-2006, 11:00 PM
It would cost way more... see you are a one off setup. All of the port walls have to be sonic tested for thickness to determined how much can be removed. If you knew of a bad head, then things would be easier because they could cut up that old head to get a good idea.


Frank

Funny you mention that, I have a bad one. It was too badly cracked, then someone tried to weld it and totally fubared it.

Frank
01-25-2006, 11:32 AM
Funny you mention that, I have a bad one. It was too badly cracked, then someone tried to weld it and totally fubared it.

Well based on typical one of costs, you need some one who does this. You need to cut up the old one into cross sections, then send it and the good head off to someone like the Steve Menagon type.


Frank