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168glhs1986
10-17-2013, 12:17 PM
I have established a direct link to Warren and will start sending questions soon.

What questions do you have for Warren?

ForzaV12
10-17-2013, 12:42 PM
alignment specs, procedure to have him sign my dash panel, would he be OK with us establishing a GTP registry, parts listing with part numbers, archival photo access, what does racecar welded plate on our chassis mean, 'shelf life" of carbon tub, etc

Rrider
10-17-2013, 12:47 PM
If somebody were to say want to do a hellaflush stanced-out gtp, would this person have Warren's stamp of approval?

168glhs1986
10-17-2013, 01:22 PM
^^ he said he'd stretch the tires for you and light em up with a match whatever that meant.

Seriously thou, he said a 4 x 4 Consulier would make a killer mud bog car! As far as he knew they were not banned from International mud bog competition.

player1up
10-17-2013, 01:28 PM
Ask if there is a "build book" or something like that. The procedure used to assemble them.
Also, to further one of Forza's questions, The lower suspension setting vs higher suspension , why was one used vs the other? or is the lower setting for racing?
I'm also curious about the race car plate as mine has one as well.

How does he feel about "improvements" ? Either to the interior or exterior.

ForzaV12
10-17-2013, 02:21 PM
school let out early today

wheming
10-17-2013, 11:41 PM
You can ask him if he has any extra Consuliers so I can have one...
Don't mind if it needs a bit of work.
Since I missed out... :(

168glhs1986
10-18-2013, 07:59 AM
^^ he wouldn't know this as he sold his company unless he was willing to sell his daughters 16 valve car (doubt it) or maybe he would part with his Raptor but that would likely be $100k +

Just call Ian and see what scraps are left.

Rrider
10-18-2013, 11:25 AM
Good idea, chassis might make a great base for a track project. Instead of the typical stripped out 2000 pound race car that started life as a 3000 pound steel production car... Forza you got a bare tub right?

I 2nd the question on Mr. Moslers feeling about modifications. How far is ok?

ForzaV12
10-18-2013, 11:51 AM
i didnt get a bare tub, just a fully equipped LX with the race car ID plate

Rrider
10-18-2013, 12:00 PM
Ah ok that was Deryk with the other red one.

I'm not sure how much it would help knowing, but I'm also curious about how the composite tubs age.

168glhs1986
10-18-2013, 12:53 PM
He did only keep 1 car for himself and that happened to be a 16 valve car. That should tell you something there.

As for aging. I know the dent on my front fender is from the body getting heat cycled via sun and collapsing. The p.o.said many other cars had this issue as well. He also went on to say it's done heat cycling and is a strong / safe structure.

Johnny
10-18-2013, 01:53 PM
Why was the "Barbie Car" never re-painted or sold?
(it sat for maybe 18 years with masking tape on it)
AND tell him thank you for the autograph!

Johnny
10-19-2013, 11:13 AM
Does he know where this car went?

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?72730-1994-US-Electricar-Consulier-GTP-Sport-Electric-Car

Reaper1
10-19-2013, 06:10 PM
I'm curious as to if/how mono-directional tape was used and if aluminum or phenolic hexcell-type core was used in any of the main structure.

MPI_duster
10-20-2013, 07:10 AM
He did only keep 1 car for himself and that happened to be a 16 valve car. That should tell you something there.

As for aging. I know the dent on my front fender is from the body getting heat cycled via sun and collapsing. The p.o.said many other cars had this issue as well. He also went on to say it's done heat cycling and is a strong / safe structure.


I'm pretty sure he has at least 2. The 16valve TIII and the car with the SRT4 drive train.

168glhs1986
10-20-2013, 09:51 AM
^^ interesting. I will add that as well as...

What does GTP stand for ?

I will compile the first list of q's and will be sending them to his son Jacob.

MPI_duster
10-20-2013, 04:34 PM
I don't know if GTP has a meaning, seeing as Consulier doesn't mean anything? GTP=Giant toppling prototype?

GLHNSLHT2
10-20-2013, 04:42 PM
pretty sure in Racing GTP= Gran Touring Prototype. ????? GTU= Gran Touring Unlimited

Reaper1
10-20-2013, 06:18 PM
GTU = Gran Touring Under 3.0L displacement.

Johnny
10-20-2013, 08:40 PM
GTP= Gran Touring Prototype..........correct.

ForzaV12
10-21-2013, 03:39 PM
GTP= Gran Touring Prototype..........correct.

I thought you said it stood for..."God That's Pink!"

Johnny
10-21-2013, 04:07 PM
My daily chuckle!!!!:lol:

168glhs1986
11-18-2013, 09:31 PM
How did you choose the name Consulier

GTP#44
11-19-2013, 06:56 PM
GTP= Gran Touring Prototype..........correct.
GTP=General Technology Platform
From what I heard

Johnny
11-19-2013, 07:52 PM
GTP= Gran Touring Prototype

This is correct.

168glhs1986
11-23-2013, 06:17 PM
Why no rear wing on the GTP ?

Johnny
11-23-2013, 06:53 PM
It has a wing, right above the radiator. Just not a high wing.

GLHNSLHT2
11-23-2013, 08:32 PM
It has a wing, right above the radiator. Just not a high wing.

+1 and doesn't need it to be higher IMO

168glhs1986
11-23-2013, 09:29 PM
It has a wing, right above the radiator. Just not a high wing.


Thats not a wing, its a lip.

The rad kind of acts as a wing thou.

168glhs1986
11-25-2013, 06:43 PM
Answers:

This from a current owner of Consulier #046

Someone asked about tires. I have used Falken...not the highest performer model...a more basic model...THey have been fabulous. No need to
spend super big dollars...Falken had great grip in dry and wet and sidewall stiffness was super!!! Comfortable ride-superb. Quiet! They lasted almost forever.

He also wanted to warn about going too big on the front due to tire rubbing chassis near full lock right and left.

Answers which Warren has generously listed for us are below: :hail:



1) Q: Alignment specs ?

A: *and pickup points were sometimes moved to accommodate different tire
diameters *

2) Q: Procedure to have him sign my dash panel,

A: *happy to! *

Follow up to question #2: If anyone needs the mailing address I'm sure we can get that, just ask.

3) Q: Would it be OK with us establishing a GTP registry, parts listing with part numbers, archival photo access,

A: *sure! *

4) Q: What does racecar welded plate on our chassis mean,

A: *Not sure? *

5) Q: 'shelf life" of carbon tub,

A: *continues to cure with age. consulier tubs mainly eglass/sglass over pvc/phenolic hardspots, kevlar in door skins- glass and kevlar far better
than carbon under impact*

6) Q: If somebody were to say want to do a hellaflush stanced-out gtp, would this person have Warren's stamp of approval?

A: *i have no objection! *

Question #6 followup: Good one Eric ! Just make sure the questions are sincere and on point because Warren himself may be reading them :thumb:


7) Q: Ask if there is a "build book" or something like that. The procedure used to assemble them.

A: *maybe still in the shop somewhere *

8) Q: The lower suspension setting vs higher suspension , why was one used vs the other? or is the lower setting for racing?

A: *I think for different tire diameters *

9) Q: I'm also curious about the race car plate as mine has one as well.

A: This answer was unclear I'll try to get a clarification........


10) Q: How does he feel about "improvements" ? Either to the interior or exterior.

A: *no problem! *

11) Q: I'm not sure how much it would help knowing, but I'm also curious about how the composite tubs age.

A: *keep curing and getting stiffer *

12) Q: He did only keep 1 car for himself and that happened to be a 16 valve car. That should tell you something there.

A: *I kept several consuliers, especially those raced *

13) Q: As for aging. I know the dent on my front fender is from the body getting heat cycled via sun and collapsing. The p.o.said many other cars had this issue as well. He also went on to say it's done heat cycling and is a
strong / safe structure.

A: *we had one car where the hardener wasn't added and the resin never cured. We used it for a race car (gumby) and you couldn't tell the difference *

14) Q: Why was the "Barbie Car" never re-painted or sold?

A: *no buyer * (it sat for maybe 18 years with masking tape on it)

15) Q: Where did this car go... 1994 US Electricar Consulier GTP Sport Electric Car

A: *georgia power along with a van but it had the 'hammerhead' nose, not shown below *

47836


16) Q: I'm curious as to if/how mono-directional tape was used

A: *no *

17) Q: If aluminum or phenolic hexcell-type core was used in any of the main structure.

A: *phenolic blocks in hardspots *

18) Q: What does GTP stand for ?

A: *grand touring something... *

Question 18 follow up: Gran Touring Prototype seems to be the match here. GTU he said was Gran Touring Unlimited

19) Q: How did you choose the name Consulier

A: *it was a word my brother and I thought we heard our father use once when we were kids *

20) Q: Why no rear wing on the GTP ?

A: *extra drag and weight and top speed was only maybe 135mph or so *

To forum members: Please post questions as you have them.

The more we know about the great Consulier GTP the more the legend will continue to grow.

Thank you Warren for your time.:clap:

francois
11-26-2013, 01:20 PM
I don`t even own one and I feel like I just had a special treatment reading the questions and the answers!

Wow!
Awesome!!

Johnny
11-26-2013, 02:00 PM
Is this still being made?
On the back it says "Manufactured for: Consulier Engineering Inc
Made in Ecuador

jacob mosler
02-07-2014, 11:24 AM
Is this still being made?
On the back it says "Manufactured for: Consulier Engineering Inc
Made in Ecuador

no, but it still cleans like crazy!!!

2.216VTurbo
02-07-2014, 12:00 PM
There was this other car manufacturer guy, Carroll Shelby IIRC, he was into odd offshoot businesses as well. Chickens, Chili, heart transplant foundations:)...

Johnny
02-07-2014, 01:27 PM
I just read a law suite, where Consulier and the insurance company were fighting it out.
The warehouse where the soap was got WET from some hurricane and destroyed all the soap.
Insurance didn't want to pay.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Consulier+Engineering+Reports+Win+of+Insurance+Sui t+in+Summary...-a073528665

168glhs1986
02-08-2014, 10:18 AM
Johhny seams your really into the Consulier soap. Maybe Warren will sell the rights to his cleaning formula. Polybushjngs and MORE has a nice ring to it.

Johnny
02-08-2014, 10:57 AM
I bought a couple bars. One to save and one to try. It is good stuff. I had some black grease of some type
that would not was off with dish soap. This crazy stuff worked great. Wish I could still buy more!
It seems spendy, but the bar is laying longer than you would think.

GTP#44
02-08-2014, 06:04 PM
The soap company was GIVEN to Bobby Kurlander...porn king.
You can look it up it in his profile Consulier Industries is says......if you dare.

168glhs1986
02-08-2014, 06:11 PM
How could you possibly make that up?

Reaper1
02-08-2014, 06:29 PM
Maybe you CAN wash off some things previously thought impossible! LOL

Johnny
02-08-2014, 06:56 PM
The soap company was GIVEN to Bobby Kurlander..
So is he going to make the stuff and sell it?

Johnny
02-08-2014, 07:48 PM
Interesting……..
http://www.secinfo.com/dsVsf.74h8.htm


Robert Kurlander has been hired to lead the CRA-Z Soap sales efforts worldwide.
He commenced employment in January of 1998. He has been working closely with
Bernardo Davila, the CEO of Southeast.

Mr. Davila and Mr. Kurlander have determined that the focus of Southeast with
regard to CRA-Z Soap is to build a brand name and get the product in the hands
of distributors as quickly as possible. The first course of action was to create
the CRA-Z Soap Web Site (http://www.secinfo.com/$/SEC/Registrant.asp?CIK=846718&View=Sites).

Secondly, Southeast is in the process of hiring up to four salespeople who will
focus solely on CRA-Z Soap. Southeast expects this to be completed within the
next 45 days. The salespeople will be hired to follow up on the "leads" from the
Web Site (http://www.secinfo.com/$/SEC/Registrant.asp?CIK=846718&View=Sites), trade shows, magazine advertisements, and other related business for
CRA-Z Soap.
========================
In 1990, Consulier sold its automobile manufacturing business to Mosler Auto
Care Center, Inc. ("MACC"), a company wholly- owned by Mosler. As consideration
for the purchase, MACC executed a promissory note for $750,000, which note was
personally guaranteed by Mosler.
======================================

On October 31, 1993 (http://www.secinfo.com/dsVsf.74h8.htm#Dates) MACC sold the automobile business to U.S. Electricar, Inc.
("Electricar") of Santa Rosa, California in exchange for 1,000,000 shares of
Electricar restricted common stock, and production royalties payable over a
fifteen year period. At the time of the sale, Consulier held an option to
repurchase the automobile business at net book value.

GTP#44
02-09-2014, 02:28 PM
Johnny,
You have always been wondering about the electric Consulier.
I think the last paragraph will give you most of the answers you need.
Next see if you can find anything about the Conoesulier the carbon fiber canoe......good luck.
You need to post the lifeguard stand pic I sent you.

Johnny
02-09-2014, 03:10 PM
I know they went out of business.
But also found this of interest….
http://zapglobal.wordpress.com/2010/11/

Johnny
02-12-2014, 11:20 PM
Question for Mosler…
On the Consulier cars, the whole body was a structure for strength since there is no metal frame.
But the targa has no roof, so was there something in the floor that was done to make it stronger?
Also is the targa bar strong like a roll bar would be?…or just for looks and strengthing of the chassis?