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168glhs1986
10-07-2013, 04:02 PM
Out with the stock 8 valver and in with the T3

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Rrider
10-07-2013, 04:23 PM
Luckeeeeeee! No details?? How long until the AX vids?

168glhs1986
10-07-2013, 05:17 PM
This is just a mockup head.

Who wants to be bored with the details?

It may fall into the category of too many options to list. :)

Building it for 500 hp but will be limited to t3 tune at this point. I believe 22 lbs of boost will be max from Cindy's latest cal.

If that doesn't float my boat we will throw a big stuff in there to get it done.

blk86trbo
10-07-2013, 05:18 PM
This is going to be a fun build to watch progress...looking forward to some video of the end result!

168glhs1986
10-07-2013, 05:21 PM
Seeing that alms p1 cars have 450 to 500 go and weigh about the same, needless to say I better learn how to drive and get some better brakes on there.

Chassis strengthening strategy in development.

2.216VTurbo
10-07-2013, 05:26 PM
Wow! All that and you're getting a boat too?? Biz must be pretty good in your hood:thumb:

168glhs1986
10-07-2013, 05:35 PM
No way Alan. Unlike turbo mopars and Consulier's boats are money pits.

ShelGame
10-07-2013, 06:27 PM
This is just a mockup head.

Who wants to be bored with the details?

It may fall into the category of too many options to list. :)

Building it for 500 hp but will be limited to t3 tune at this point. I believe 22 lbs of boost will be max from Cindy's latest cal.

If that doesn't float my boat we will throw a big stuff in there to get it done.

There's other places to get a TIII cal :eyebrows:

EDIT: I'm not sayin' I got 500hp TIII cal, but if you want to get started rolling your own, I can help you out. I do have a good 3-bar +40 TIII cal.

Pat
10-07-2013, 07:56 PM
There's other places to get a TIII cal :eyebrows:

EDIT: I'm not sayin' I got 500hp TIII cal, but if you want to get started rolling your own, I can help you out. I do have a good 3-bar +40 TIII cal.


Good as in done or good as currently in development? Is it a turbonator set up?

ShelGame
10-07-2013, 10:21 PM
Good as in done or good as currently in development? Is it a turbonator set up?

Kind of a turbonator setup. It has CE Flash added. It's pretty developed, and working well in the couple of cars running it.

Pat
10-07-2013, 10:28 PM
Very cool, Rob! I will be ready to do some tuning on my t3 shadow soon. I will get in touch with you.

Back to Mikes GTP...

168glhs1986
10-07-2013, 10:55 PM
I will have Brian contact you Rob.

91RT
10-07-2013, 10:57 PM
Wow this is gonna be an awesome build I can't wait to see more!!

wheming
10-08-2013, 01:53 PM
Kind of looks at home in there...
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168glhs1986
10-14-2013, 04:36 PM
TU Tranny Buster mockup...

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I like it because you can hardly tell this car is turbocharged. Very subtle which is what this car is all about. Same with Johnny's Barbie car. Gets lost in a crowd.

Johnny
10-14-2013, 08:55 PM
Yes, lost! Had a guy following me, when I pulled into the ma-pay gas station-store, he pulled up next to me. He said he wanted to know what it was and what powered it as he heard the turbo while following me.

ShadowFromHell
10-14-2013, 10:04 PM
Out of curiosity why are you going T3 instead of a 2.4? I love the idea of a 500hp motor in one of these cars I just think a SRT 2.4 would be way more reliable.

1BADVAN
10-14-2013, 10:12 PM
I like the T3 over Srt4 for staying with the same era, and adding to the uniqueness!

A.J.
10-14-2013, 11:33 PM
I like the T3 over Srt4 for staying with the same era, and adding to the uniqueness!

Ya because you want to stand out from all those other SRT-4 Consuliers. ;-)

I agree with staying with the same era though.

168glhs1986
10-15-2013, 07:56 AM
Out of curiosity why are you going T3 instead of a 2.4? I love the idea of a 500hp motor in one of these cars I just think a SRT 2.4 would be way more reliable.

I believe Warren himself said the series 2 cars were going to have the t3 motor. Probably due to lack of sales this never materialized then 2 years later he went v8 with the limited production run of 4 with the intruder / raptor.

I heard he built a 16 valve much later and i heard he used the neon motor probably because it was new / easy and cheaper.

I will shoot him an email and see if the neon motor rumor is accurate.

Johnny
10-15-2013, 08:26 AM
Yes it is, his own car. I posted photos of it.

Rrider
10-15-2013, 12:15 PM
I agree its way cooler having the 'period correct' motor in this. I just re-read wiki and it says he built two T3 cars back in the day? Maybe they got cannibalized for the V8 cars? Or wtf happened to them??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consulier_GTP

168glhs1986
10-15-2013, 09:10 PM
I agree its way cooler having the 'period correct' motor in this. I just re-read wiki and it says he built two T3 cars back in the day? Maybe they got cannibalized for the V8 cars? Or wtf happened to them??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consulier_GTP

Just talked to a longtime friend of Steve's and he is only aware of one Shelby 16 valve Consulier ever being built. It now belongs to Warren's daughter.

If thats the case im not sure who owns the neon 16 valve car.

I sent an email to Steve asking if he wouldnt mind if i asked him a few questions about these cars.

ShadowFromHell
10-15-2013, 10:09 PM
I heard he built a 16 valve much later and i heard he used the neon motor probably because it was new / easy and cheaper.

I will shoot him an email and see if the neon motor rumor is accurate.

Im a hardcore turbo guy, IMO everything needs to be boosted lol. But one of these with a built NA DOHC 2.0 probably would have been a lot of fun.

168glhs1986
10-22-2013, 07:06 PM
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T2 motor out. Check out the engine bay tubing setup.

2.216VTurbo
10-22-2013, 08:56 PM
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T2 motor out. Check out the engine bay tubing setup.

Uh oh, it;s getting heavier:p

Johnny
10-22-2013, 09:25 PM
While it's out you might check the rear shocks. If they are as bad as mine, send them out for rebuild.

Wastelands Warrior
10-22-2013, 11:45 PM
Wah, You are SUCH a show off! Lol

168glhs1986
10-23-2013, 04:05 PM
^^^ haha. I always have been, lol

Block being tapped for main caps

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168glhs1986
10-24-2013, 09:22 PM
So apparently common blocks just wont drop in. Good thing Slowe Racing can modify and customize just about anything on a car.

cordes
10-24-2013, 10:15 PM
What stops them from going in vs. the older style bock?

168glhs1986
10-24-2013, 10:26 PM
Something about the engine bay bracing getting in the way

Johnny
10-25-2013, 12:44 AM
What???? Really?....I don't know!

francois
10-25-2013, 12:03 PM
That's not a problem. I'll relieve you with that small headache. I'll tell Brian that it's ok when I put that engine on the trailer.

Johnny
10-25-2013, 12:17 PM
Something about the engine bay bracing getting in the way

i really have my doubts on this.

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I want to build a 2.5 someday for a future install, so YOU should check to be sure. :)

168glhs1986
10-25-2013, 12:42 PM
i really have my doubts on this.

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I want to build a 2.5 someday for a future install, so YOU should check to be sure. :)

You doubt Slowe Speed :confused:

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That's not a problem. I'll relieve you with that small headache. I'll tell Brian that it's ok when I put that engine on the trailer.

It would look pretty good in that Silver GLHT of yours.

Johnny
10-25-2013, 02:40 PM
I did post photos of his neon engine car.

minigts
10-25-2013, 02:49 PM
It's gonna take a lot more than a TIII to win at the auto cross next year. Better bring your A+ game my friend. :)

168glhs1986
10-25-2013, 03:22 PM
I did post photos of his neon engine car.

Do you know if they just dropped their engine in?

In our case we need to notch the oil pan.

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168glhs1986
10-25-2013, 05:23 PM
It's gonna take a lot more than a TIII to win at the auto cross next year. Better bring your A+ game my friend. :)

Is that anyway to speak to the defending autox champion?

I always bring it. In fact next year I hope to bring it twice. Hopefully Jules and Franksnstein with both make an appearance.

minigts
10-25-2013, 06:27 PM
Is that anyway to speak to the defending autox champion?

I always bring it. In fact next year I hope to bring it twice. Hopefully Jules and Franksnstein with both make an appearance.

lol, I hear ya. I'm coming back with a vengeance, just so you know. The only thing I MAY do is swap out hubs and run a 15" road race tire so I get some traction. My weaknesses were acceleration and traction and I'm taking care of one of those as we speak. ;)

GLHNSLHT2
10-25-2013, 09:38 PM
Do you know if they just dropped their engine in?

In our case we need to notch the oil pan.

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Or looks like rip out the balance shafts and put a 2.2 T2 non-balance shaft pan on it?????

Johnny
10-25-2013, 09:47 PM
So the engine fits, it's the pan that needs a mod....that works!

GLHNSLHT2
10-25-2013, 09:58 PM
Looking at the pic again I say rip out the Balance shafts and put a non BS pan on it and it looks like it'll fit no probs. Unless you've got one of those big Ishihara-Johnson baffle setups.

ShelGame
10-25-2013, 10:55 PM
EDIT: ^DOH! What he said...


Do you know if they just dropped their engine in?

In our case we need to notch the oil pan.

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Are you keeping the balance shafts in the TIII? Or were the GTP's using non-CB motors? I would think a 2.2 CB Oil Pan should fit. It's not that different from the '88 T2 pan.

Johnny
10-25-2013, 11:11 PM
Would be cool to make an aluminum pan!

Johnny
10-26-2013, 01:39 AM
A couple photos for you.

168glhs1986
10-26-2013, 04:32 PM
Thanks for posting this. So this is a race car t3.

Turbo is a bit smaller than the gt30

wheming
10-26-2013, 10:18 PM
That's the one with the srt4 engine by the looks of it.

Johnny
10-27-2013, 12:07 AM
This is Mosler's personal car.

168glhs1986
10-27-2013, 12:50 AM
That's the one with the srt4 engine by the looks of it.

Oh yea now I see it. Been on phone all day traveling back from Chicago.

So does anyone have the pic of the supposed lock ness t3 monster?

168glhs1986
10-29-2013, 06:19 PM
This should tighten up the shift a little.

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Thank you Sir Jackson!

MPI_duster
10-30-2013, 09:54 AM
Oh yea now I see it. Been on phone all day traveling back from Chicago.

So does anyone have the pic of the supposed lock ness t3 monster?

Only images I've seen of the engine bay on the T3 car were in Moslers interview on Youtube a couple months ago. They pan the engine for 3-4seconds

Rrider
10-30-2013, 02:05 PM
T3 sighting?

Johnny
10-30-2013, 06:16 PM
Where did you see this?

168glhs1986
10-30-2013, 06:39 PM
Right back into the stock location.

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Because you know I'm all about stock.

Johnny
10-30-2013, 06:42 PM
Room for something larger?

168glhs1986
10-30-2013, 06:43 PM
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Oh man, how did this photo get in here? Come to Papa!

168glhs1986
10-30-2013, 07:10 PM
Room for something larger?

The new ic is on the right. Over 2x as big as the stock ic on the left.

Rrider
10-30-2013, 07:21 PM
Where did you see this?
The nessy T3 jpg is a screen cap from the Road and Track feature vid on Mosler. I'm guessing its the white series two car with windshield decal also shown in that section of the video.

A big top mount IC 911 styles would go well with a trunk scoop..

contraption22
10-30-2013, 08:55 PM
Right back into the stock location.

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Because you know I'm all about stock.

Where is the stock location on these cars?

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Oh man, how did this photo get in here? Come to Papa!

Is this a new addition to the fleet?

168glhs1986
10-30-2013, 09:54 PM
Where is the stock location on these cars?

IC and oil cooler is behind drivers door in open body panel. The other side has the AC condensor and a fan.

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Is this a new addition to the fleet?

Yes it is. Finally found my red Omni.

GLHS069
10-31-2013, 08:53 AM
that's a nice looking red Omni, love the wheels on it.
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Oh man, how did this photo get in here? Come to Papa!

168glhs1986
10-31-2013, 10:39 AM
^^ Thanks. 16" wheels.

francois
10-31-2013, 12:25 PM
Really you bought it?

My guess is that Spiro got you the contact?
We both spoke about it on our return trip from Brian`s garage. I did touches the R1R but kept my hand away from those boxes thought.

I didn`t know there was 5x100 in smaller size then 17''

168glhs1986
10-31-2013, 01:57 PM
Yea we have the enkie rfp1's in 16 x 7 with the toyo's. Looks like the red omni wheels would also fit nicely in the Consulier.

As for the red car. I just paid for it. Spiro played negotiator and is now playing hauler for me. He gets all the credit for this deal.

In all actuality I'm pretty sure he will end up with the car when I'm ready to sell.

Have you seen the car in person? I hope she is as advertised.

You and Spiro didn't get your sweaty balls on the Recaros seats in the Consulier did you? I gave Brian orders not to allow such filthy acts. Haha

85boostbox
10-31-2013, 06:15 PM
Sweaty balls will give the car character :)

francois
10-31-2013, 11:13 PM
Me? Are u nuts! ;)

I think the Greek did something around your car but I wasn't looking at him. I was contemplating an aluminum pan and a merge collector! They have strange habit and it has nothing to do with being French Canadians...

As for the red car, I heard so much from Spiro's mouth, man that guy can talk! lol!
But seriously, I trust him. I never had the chance to see that car. The po never showed up! But I'm sure exterior wise, you should be proud!

So I guess he's going down with a trailer, again. So he won't fly in and come back. It's probably better like that since the r888 aren't perfect for the rain and snow...

You'll have to pop a few pics when you get her!
Cheers!

Frank

168glhs1986
11-01-2013, 05:52 PM
Picked this up from Advance Auto today. Can't believe they had it in stock!

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Slowe Speed - enough said!

168glhs1986
11-01-2013, 05:54 PM
Finished and ready for installation.

Awesome Jackson!

One is going into Frankenstein

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And one is going into my new ride without a name

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A big thanks to Spiro for doing everything possible to get this car to me. Appreciate it brother!

Rrider
11-01-2013, 05:54 PM
Picked this up from Advance Auto today.

Part # pls k thx.

168glhs1986
11-01-2013, 05:56 PM
Part # pls k thx.

Lol..

Johnny
11-01-2013, 06:47 PM
Open the engine cover and see that….wow!


Picked this up from Advance Auto today. Can't believe they had it in stock!

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Slowe Speed - enough said!

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Part # pls k thx.

Not for an 8 valve engine.

168glhs1986
11-02-2013, 03:56 PM
What should my vanity tag say?

NOTAKIT
NADAKIT
CGTP90
CONSULR

Any other suggestions:

rx2mazda
11-02-2013, 04:01 PM
"UGLYASF"


















:evil:

Nice work so far!

Johnny
11-02-2013, 04:03 PM
I like NOTAKIT
or just GTP

168glhs1986
11-02-2013, 04:05 PM
"UGLYASF"

:evil:

Nice work so far!

So not true....Thanks Bra

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I like NOTAKIT
or just GTP

I'm liking NOTAKIT also

That will at least eliminate 1 question.

Johnny
11-02-2013, 04:10 PM
I always get the question "what is it….is it a kit!"

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I answer, no it was made by Consulier in Florida.

168glhs1986
11-02-2013, 04:14 PM
That was the most popular question while I have been towing it.

I want to put:

1990consuliergtpnotakit but apparently that's too many characters

Johnny
11-02-2013, 04:18 PM
Mine was the first to be titled in Oregon. Even the DMV wanted to know what it was.

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Why not…..1990 GTP….is that okay?

168glhs1986
11-02-2013, 04:28 PM
First to be titled in Oregon not a surprise.

Does your manufacturer read CONU ?

Did you take a picture in with you?

As for the tag:

If you research 1990 GTP would it come up?

I want to be a smart a$$ thou.

NOTAKIT is leading so far

Johnny
11-02-2013, 04:45 PM
Title not made and mailed to me yet, so not sure what it will say.
Photo and the car.
They had to come out and look at it to make sure it was not a kit car and had the epa sticker on it.

168glhs1986
11-02-2013, 05:03 PM
Wow your state is brutal.

I take title and bill of sale is optional.

Registered historic so don't have to have inspected or smog test.

Johnny
11-02-2013, 05:28 PM
A had the MSO is all. They mail the title to me in "about 3 weeks" from when I went in and gave them the MSO.
They treated it as a new car, as I am the first owner.
No inspections or smog checks here anyway.

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After this, they never want to see the car again, just pay for tags.

spiro440
11-03-2013, 09:41 PM
And one is going into my new ride without a name

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A big thanks to Spiro for doing everything possible to get this car to me. Appreciate it brother![/QUOTE]

Your welcome buddy, You would do the same.
Poor windstar, I think I'm a little over it's max towing with all the parts in th back !Love it!!

francois
11-03-2013, 11:50 PM
How about, Google it?

2.216VTurbo
11-04-2013, 01:24 AM
Picked this up from Advance Auto today. Can't believe they had it in stock!

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Slowe Speed - enough said!

Wierd, I thought spiders had 8 legs??:lol: Sexy tho:eyebrows:

168glhs1986
11-04-2013, 09:11 AM
Ram Horn

168glhs1986
11-04-2013, 10:57 AM
4 months and 2 weeks to get a title and tags. Well worth the wait IMO.

I do have 1 regret.

When I called mike back in early June about acquiring a Consulier, he said how many do you want?

I said well just 1. In retrospect i would have bought about 10 of them.

2.216VTurbo
11-04-2013, 11:33 AM
4 months and 2 weeks to get a title and tags. Well worth the wait IMO.

I do have 1 regret.

When I called mike back in early June about acquiring a Consulier, he said how many do you want?

I said well just 1. In retrospect i would have bought about 10 of them.

Uh, better catch an episode or two of "Hoarders" and "Burried Alive" Mike:lol:

168glhs1986
11-04-2013, 04:49 PM
Haha. I hear you. They would have been flipped to rich guys like you for twice what I paid. Lol

168glhs1986
11-05-2013, 12:20 PM
IMSABAN is looking strong also

francois
11-05-2013, 01:25 PM
nice!

168glhs1986
11-05-2013, 05:03 PM
Been doing some thinking.....

And I just hung up the phone with Leo at Motorcepts in New York.

So after seeing this car which is practically new

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I'm pretty sure in going to "trade" this car

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into Motorcepts in New York who did all the work on it. He will paint this car...

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The same Estoril blue. They will block it, prime it and get it smooth.

So that's about $13k worth of paint and body work and I don't have to go thru the hassle of selling a car.

Thoughts from the peanut gallery?

spiro440
11-05-2013, 05:36 PM
I kind of like the Frakenstein look. Natural as it is. Although some people pay 10k for boob jobs and I like them too:o

168glhs1986
11-05-2013, 05:39 PM
I kind of like the Frakenstein look. Natural as it is. Although some people pay 10k for boob jobs and I like them too:o

Good stuff. Thanks Buddy.....but could you get $10,000 enjoyment our of your girlfriends boobs?....or do you keep the (let's say) motorcycle and enjoy the smaller boobs?

banger68
11-05-2013, 06:11 PM
I think it would be awesome on the GTP. Give it a bit more flash. The stock colour is a bit subtle. I dont think these cars were meant to be subtle. ;)

168glhs1986
11-05-2013, 06:41 PM
Results:

Keep Stock Paint and Keep M3: 4.5

Paint it and bye bye M3:( 3

85boostbox
11-05-2013, 07:48 PM
I would keep it stock color. Keep the m3

2.216VTurbo
11-05-2013, 09:37 PM
Dude, you love that M3, don't do it!! You have your Consulier to fill your race niche, another one isn't gonna fill the cool occasional DD/weekend driver niche that the M3 does, Don't do it:amen: Oh wait, I already said that. Just in case you missed it, don't do it. See, I know this guy that thought a collection of one 16V TC Masi in each color made was a good idea:confused: If I could talk to that guy 5-6 years ago, I woulda told him it was a dumb idea:lol:

Johnny
11-05-2013, 10:05 PM
I think you need to get a second estimate on a paint job. That is way too high.

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Guy here said he could paint mine in the factory colors for under $2000. AND I have seen his work, it is fab!

168glhs1986
11-05-2013, 10:18 PM
Dude, you love that M3, don't do it!! You have your Consulier to fill your race niche, another one isn't gonna fill the cool occasional DD/weekend driver niche that the M3 does, Don't do it:amen: Oh wait, I already said that. Just in case you missed it, don't do it. See, I know this guy that thought a collection of one 16V TC Masi in each color made was a good idea:confused: If I could talk to that guy 5-6 years ago, I woulda told him it was a dumb idea:lol:

Good stuff Alan... I will mark that arguement down as a 1.5 for Dont Do It!

You also made me think 7 years down the road which is not something i always do when it comes to cars and my passion for them.

168glhs1986
11-05-2013, 10:23 PM
I think you need to get a second estimate on a paint job. That is way too high.

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Guy here said he could paint mine in the factory colors for under $2000. AND I have seen his work, it is fab!

I havent gotten an estimate or five yet but I would have the body sanded down and get rid of the waves in the body.

I would guess but excellent paint jobs on the east coast by a top shop run about 10 grand. Add the body work and the difficult color of Estoril Blue and my guess is its about 13 grand.

For that I would expect perfection and a super car like quality job. For $2000 i would expect much less.

Johnny
11-05-2013, 11:36 PM
ASK!!!!!

I know, but I saw 2 jobs this guy did, and they were great. When I asked him about painting a car for me, he said "not interested".
But then he saw the car and said yes. He said that looks interesting, and wants to do it.

168glhs1986
11-05-2013, 11:52 PM
ASK!!!!!

I know, but I saw 2 jobs this guy did, and they were great. When I asked him about painting a car for me, he said "not interested".
But then he saw the car and said yes. He said that looks interesting, and wants to do it.

Go for it. Sounds like a great price.

Johnny
11-06-2013, 12:05 AM
I will, when I have the $, broke right now.

Rrider
11-06-2013, 09:02 PM
Keep the waves and the bimmer. What would the frankenstein monster be with smooth skin.

168glhs1986
11-06-2013, 11:59 PM
A lot of support for keeping it original paint and factory flaws.

Johnny
11-07-2013, 01:10 AM
Me too, I like it!

168glhs1986
11-07-2013, 01:18 PM
Headed to Philly tomorrow to mount the wheels and tires and hit the Simeon auto museum if I have time .

Hopefully will have some pics of the Consulier's new shoes mounted.

mcsvt
11-07-2013, 01:31 PM
Keep M3, you'll just end up wanting another after you sell it. But paint the Consulier, a flashy color would be great on that car!

168glhs1986
11-07-2013, 02:05 PM
Lime Green

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/08/asa3ute4.jpg

Ferrari Yellow

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/08/8y2a8yza.jpg

Why do I like blue so much?

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/08/yryjusud.jpg

Flat black may hide some of the "questionable" body lines

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/08/pasa7y3a.jpg

contraption22
11-07-2013, 02:17 PM
ASK!!!!!

I know, but I saw 2 jobs this guy did, and they were great. When I asked him about painting a car for me, he said "not interested".
But then he saw the car and said yes. He said that looks interesting, and wants to do it.

Finding a good guy that's willing to do fiberglass is tough. There are some good shops in my area that refuse to do Corvette work for this reason. It alsy allows the Corvette specialists to charge a premium.

And stop showing me pictures of that M3. :)

168glhs1986
11-07-2013, 02:34 PM
^^ this is true and true.

Which m3? This one?

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contraption22
11-07-2013, 02:38 PM
Ahh and the lemon juice on the paper cut is 168 in the background.

Johnny
11-07-2013, 03:35 PM
My choice of color "IF" I had to paint mine something different would be this.
I think a Consulier would look great this color.

rx2mazda
11-07-2013, 07:08 PM
Its ugly either way so, I vote to paint it something flashy like lime green to add to the uglyness! BTW, every post I make in a Consulier thread will include the word "ugly". I hope you don't mind. :evil:

Speidz
11-07-2013, 07:19 PM
I have to say a flashy blue would look awesome IMO. But I also don't know if its worth getting rid of a car for.

168glhs1986
11-07-2013, 08:44 PM
Its FAST either way so, I vote to paint it something flashy like lime green to add to the FASTNESS! BTW, every post I make in a Consulier thread will include the word "FAST". I hope you don't mind. :evil:

Fixed it for ya.

cordes
11-07-2013, 09:12 PM
Its ugly either way so, I vote to paint it something flashy like lime green to add to the uglyness! BTW, every post I make in a Consulier thread will include the word "ugly". I hope you don't mind. :evil:

I'm sure that Mike will understand. A guy driving an Omni who can call something else ugly must do so at every possible opportunity.

rx2mazda
11-07-2013, 11:04 PM
Fixed it for ya.

WINNING!


I'm sure that Mike will understand. A guy driving an Omni who can call something else ugly must do so at every possible opportunity.

No Doubt! lol

168glhs1986
11-08-2013, 07:36 PM
47516

47517

Nice fit for the intercooler

168glhs1986
11-08-2013, 07:41 PM
47518

More mockup pictures

168glhs1986
11-08-2013, 07:42 PM
47519

168glhs1986
11-08-2013, 07:43 PM
47520

Love the exhaust

cordes
11-08-2013, 08:02 PM
THose are some fancy valve covers. Nice work.

banger68
11-08-2013, 08:31 PM
This is awesome!

168glhs1986
11-08-2013, 09:37 PM
Figured it out. Best of both worlds. Color change and keep exterior paint.

47522

47523

And rocker panels will be chrome black to match wheels

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/zarehu7y.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/y5a6umu6.jpg

Or I can just chrome black wrap the rockers and call it a day. Either way something has to be done about the wheels and the current paint.

This is what happens when I'm working on 3 hours sleep with no sleep in the near future.

2.216VTurbo
11-09-2013, 07:04 PM
IC cores mockup looks like that location was made for those:clap: Looking good:eyebrows: Is that exhaust tip 1/2 of a mid 90's supercharged Olds Bonneville or Trofeo set up;)?

168glhs1986
11-09-2013, 07:55 PM
Thanks Alan. Pleasantly surprised how big of a cavity was back there.

eBay ad said it was a single center exhaust from Camaro. It shall continue to be a true Frankenstein car.

Need to find it in stainless steel thou and maybe a little wider.

francois
11-11-2013, 01:22 PM
Sleeping is soooo overated! :p

The wrap idea is a good one.

Ouf, chrome RPF1... Orange, would teach owners of the Porsche RS3 some manners! :thumb:

168glhs1986
11-22-2013, 06:16 PM
I think I'm going with the Aeromotion R Static wing with 17" supports.

GLHNSLHT2
11-22-2013, 08:28 PM
Maybe you should drive it before you add aero mods.

Reaper1
11-22-2013, 09:05 PM
Thanks Alan. Pleasantly surprised how big of a cavity was back there.

eBay ad said it was a single center exhaust from Camaro. It shall continue to be a true Frankenstein car.

Need to find it in stainless steel thou and maybe a little wider.

That would be the SLP "Loudmouth" exhaust for the 4th gen Camaro and Firebird.

168glhs1986
11-22-2013, 09:34 PM
Maybe you should drive it before you add aero mods.

Thats what people said about replacing the t2 with the t3. Most Intuders and Raptors have wings so Im assuming the research has shown it helps at speed.

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That would be the SLP "Loudmouth" exhaust for the 4th gen Camaro and Firebird.

Thanks for that nugget.

minigts
11-22-2013, 09:51 PM
Thats what people said about replacing the t2 with the t3. Most Intuders and Raptors have wings so Im assuming the research has shown it helps at speed.

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Thanks for that nugget.

You can add a hover conversion kit to it, not going to make a difference next year at SDAC. :)


If you are referring to the turbo when you say T2 to T3, that's a whole other story. Upgrading a turbo or engine component is time consuming, but it wouldn't take anything to drive the car without the wing vs. getting it, installing it and then finding out whether or not you like it. And while I have to agree about driving the car before, haven't you already done that since the upgrades? I may be behind a little.

168glhs1986
11-22-2013, 11:08 PM
You can add a hover conversion kit to it, not going to make a difference next year at SDAC. :)

If you are referring to the turbo when you say T2 to T3, that's a whole other story. Upgrading a turbo or engine component is time consuming, but it wouldn't take anything to drive the car without the wing vs. getting it, installing it and then finding out whether or not you like it. And while I have to agree about driving the car before, haven't you already done that since the upgrades? I may be behind a little.


Who asked you anyway? :). Haha

I would be installing the wing for appearance reasons as well as function.

T2 vs t3 Referring to the head. I havent driven any Consulier, let alone mine. I will be upgrading brakes as well. Basically everything will be modified except for the chassis. Will it be better than stock? Tons! How do i know?

I will offer the 25k challenge to any stock Consulier around the race track of my choice. Only difference is you have to put up 25 k also. Winner takes all. Sound familiar?

Rrider
11-23-2013, 12:50 AM
If you want to angle that sucker down you may have to balance it out with a splitter or something up front. For balance. But either way, it will look dope!

Johnny
11-23-2013, 01:07 AM
I havent driven any Consulier, let alone mine.

That must be hard on you…and the others that haven't. It was hard for me to wait to drive mine just the short time I had to wait.
Stop on by, I'll let you drive…...

minigts
11-23-2013, 02:37 AM
Man I totally forgot this was for the Consulier, I was thinking the Omni for some reason. My bad!

168glhs1986
11-23-2013, 10:10 AM
If you want to angle that sucker down you may have to balance it out with a splitter or something up front. For balance. But either way, it will look dope!

Would be super easy to add a splitter....would have to be removable for street driving thou.


That must be hard on you…and the others that haven't. It was hard for me to wait to drive mine just the short time I had to wait.
Stop on by, I'll let you drive…...

Thanks Johhny. planning a road trip,to Washington DC i hope :). Its not easy but imdo have a few other toys to enjoy in the meantime.


Man I totally forgot this was for the Consulier, I was thinking the Omni for some reason. My bad!

Yea, Omni is finished except for k frame and control arm install. Need some weight savings to try to get into the 10's.

player1up
11-23-2013, 01:34 PM
I'd tend to agree that it might need a front air dam, maybe like just at the corners that wrap from the front around the side. kinda like sideburns LOL
ok, so I'm having a hard time understanding what I wrote... have a look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AquilaCR1_Box_Hockenheim2011.JPG). The little black things just under the headlights

I've had mine on the hwy a few times and it seems to feel more planted when it's got some downforce. I had the spare tire out of mine for the first few days of driving and it seemed to under steer more with even that little amount of weight removed. Maybe it's all in my head.

168glhs1986
11-23-2013, 01:53 PM
I agree this would add straight line stability but there comes a point where it street car looks turn into race car looks.

All out race car and they are getting installed for sure.

Johnny
11-23-2013, 02:12 PM
I had mine to 120 and it felt wonderful.

player1up
11-23-2013, 03:49 PM
I agree this would add straight line stability but there comes a point where it street car looks turn into race car looks.

All out race car and they are getting installed for sure.

Street car, Race car... same car LOL
I say full on race gear and paint!!!

Johnny
11-23-2013, 04:19 PM
Here is some ideas….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmscSzFurwg

GLHNSLHT2
11-23-2013, 04:19 PM
Thats what people said about replacing the t2 with the t3. Most Intuders and Raptors have wings so Im assuming the research has shown it helps at speed.




There's a difference when just adding more power and then F'ing with the aero balance of the car. It's easy to add or take away power if/when you need/want it. But with the aero if you upset the balance that's hard to do. Plus you're installing something not as easily reversible and really unless it's on a track might just look like a Honda boy add-on. Just saying I think you should wait till it's driveable and get it on a track or whatever you're going to do with it 99% of the time and see how you like it. With it's underbody ground f/x, and it's rear spoiler it might be fine. Have you seen any other GTP's out there over all these years with add-on wings? Gotta ask yourself why that is. Take it out, get a baseline and then go from there.



I'd tend to agree that it might need a front air dam, maybe like just at the corners that wrap from the front around the side. kinda like sideburns LOL
ok, so I'm having a hard time understanding what I wrote... have a look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AquilaCR1_Box_Hockenheim2011.JPG). The little black things just under the headlights

I've had mine on the hwy a few times and it seems to feel more planted when it's got some downforce. I had the spare tire out of mine for the first few days of driving and it seemed to under steer more with even that little amount of weight removed. Maybe it's all in my head.

Front winglets. Probably too much unless going for every second.

It's not in your head, remove the spare, the front is lighter which changes the handling balance of the car, at speed the nose will also be higher causing more air to go under it and either have less downforce or more lift on the front end. 911's suffer from understeer because the front is so much lighter than the back. That could/can be a good thing though because as long as you don't drop the throttle on turn in the back won't pass the front on a 911.

168glhs1986
11-23-2013, 05:16 PM
There's a difference when just adding more power and then F'ing with the aero balance of the car. It's easy to add or take away power if/when you need/want it. But with the aero if you upset the balance that's hard to do. Plus you're installing something not as easily reversible and really unless it's on a track might just look like a Honda boy add-on. Just saying I think you should wait till it's driveable and get it on a track or whatever you're going to do with it 99% of the time and see how you like it. With it's underbody ground f/x, and it's rear spoiler it might be fine. Have you seen any other GTP's out there over all these years with add-on wings? Gotta ask yourself why that is. Take it out, get a baseline and then go from there. .

The wing might look like a Honda tuner add-on ? This is a GTP we're talking about. Unless I get my competitive license....considering it....I'm sure for what type of driving I'm doing I don't even need a wing. But with my cars it's never been a matter of needing.

As for performance improvements, this is going to be my first question to Warren (if I ever send the questions...) Why didn't the GTP's get wings.

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Here is some ideas….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmscSzFurwg

Good find Johnny. I want a twin charger setup but I'm afraid my pockets aren't that deep.

I need to take the Consulier out to the Canyons when it's ready.

2.216VTurbo
11-23-2013, 10:01 PM
The wing might look like a Honda tuner add-on ? This is a GTP we're talking about. Unless I get my competitive license....considering it....I'm sure for what type of driving I'm doing I don't even need a wing. But with my cars it's never been a matter of needing.

As for performance improvements, this is going to be my first question to Warren (if I ever send the questions...) Why didn't the GTP's get wings.

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Good find Johnny. I want a twin charger setup but I'm afraid my pockets aren't that deep.

I need to take the Consulier out to the Canyons when it's ready.

Track days are about $125-$185 around these parts and there are at least three diferent organisations I have run with. You don't need a comp license or anything crazy, just a car that has good tires, seatbelts and some groups need a fire extinguisher. Much more fun than risking life and limb in the canyons:amen:

168glhs1986
11-30-2013, 10:06 AM
From what I've read you need a competitive license to run the 1 lap of America AND the ultimate street car challenge. If driven properly this car could be competitive in both of these events.

I run local track day events also, although haven't been in a couple years :(

Johnny
11-30-2013, 11:10 AM
1 lap of America

Thought they were banned from this.

spiro440
11-30-2013, 11:59 AM
From what I've read you need a competitive license to run the 1 lap of America AND the ultimate street car challenge. If driven properly this car could be competitive in both of these events.

I run local track day events also, although haven't been in a couple years :(

If all works out on this side of the border. I can tell you this much, we will be running together.
Oh! and BTW next year autoX is mine:thumb:

2.216VTurbo
11-30-2013, 12:11 PM
Thought they were banned from this.

Nothing is banned from OLA, it's run whatcha brung tho you are responsible for all tools/parts/spares so you may be putting a hitch on Frankenstein Mike;)

Check out the OLA history page to see who won their class in 1995 and placed 36th out of 118 starters in an 85 Shelby Charger:thumb:

Johnny
11-30-2013, 01:04 PM
I looked through the results and found that NO Consulier ever won…
so they could not be banned for winning AS WAS WHAT A NUMBER OF ARTICLES SAY!

I see a Raptor one twice.

I looked at the rules and don't see where anyone was ever banned….at least what I could find.

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OH and if any of you enter your Consulier GTP and need/want a co-driver…I raise my hand!

168glhs1986
11-30-2013, 02:08 PM
From what I've read you are correct Johhny. As far as nelson ledges I think that was the Consulier but working right now and don't feel like researching it.

168glhs1986
11-30-2013, 03:11 PM
Autox 24 could be epic. I will need to step up my game a bit.

85boostbox
11-30-2013, 04:26 PM
Hopefully I will have my Kim Lyons SCCA tube Daytona done by then :cool:

Johnny
11-30-2013, 04:38 PM
I will be auto crossing mine this coming season. This winter, new/rebuilt shocks. New suspension bushings.

spiro440
11-30-2013, 07:18 PM
New bushings! Realy?:lol:

GLHNSLHT2
11-30-2013, 08:27 PM
They were BANNED from the IMSA supercar cup only. They were out there smoking 911 Turbo's, vettes, Supra's, RX-7's, NSX's. Obviously as a 2000lb race car basically beats a 3000lb+ street car.

Johnny
11-30-2013, 11:36 PM
New bushings! Realy?:lol:


Sure am…when I do I hope others want them too.

168glhs1986
11-30-2013, 11:49 PM
Sure am…when I do I hope others want them too.


I need a set Johhny. Mine are shot and even iftheywerent iwould replace them anyway. When can you ship them?

Johnny
12-01-2013, 12:04 AM
I won't even have them apart to do the R&D til after Christmas

spiro440
12-01-2013, 03:03 PM
Sure am…when I do I hope others want them too.

There you go! Such a great business man. Great to have you around:thumb:

168glhs1986
01-17-2014, 06:25 PM
First Interior mod. Have a feeling gonna need the 8k rpm gauge. Built in shift light. Picture came out black and white but has orange/red needle to match stock

48563

Slowe Speed has been making great progress.

Intercooler fitted and done. Over twice as big as stock T2 intercooler and fits in stock space when removing oil cooler and cross brace

Want Slowe Speed to make you an intercooler for your Consulier or anyother car for that matter? Shoot him a pm.

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For the intake we couldn't make fully custom due to something or other in the way.....but hopefully this will support our modest HP goals

Turbo224
01-17-2014, 06:30 PM
Awesome progress, that's going to be a fun car!

168glhs1986
01-17-2014, 06:30 PM
Johhny how are the bushings coming along ? Gonna need those soon.

Johnny
01-17-2014, 07:12 PM
Have not got to it. Thought the wagon would be done and off the lift by now….but many issues.
In fact, heading back to the shop right now to work on it and the oil leak(s).

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Thanks for the update!!!

Reaper1
01-17-2014, 10:42 PM
What tach is that? I wanna see if they have a 10,000rpm version.

168glhs1986
01-17-2014, 10:53 PM
What tach is that? I wanna see if they have a 10,000rpm version.

http://www.speedhut.com/

rx2mazda
01-17-2014, 11:25 PM
Looking Great. I know first hand the kind of work Brian does, your car is in the best hands! You'll have no problem reaching your goals with that intake. I want a ride when its done!

Pat
01-18-2014, 07:12 AM
Amazing work as usual. I cant wait to see the finished product.

cordes
01-18-2014, 11:53 AM
That looks great. I really can't wait to see this monster run.

168glhs1986
01-21-2014, 01:18 PM
More awesome work by Slowe Speed

Turbo224
01-21-2014, 01:50 PM
I like the backwards valve covers!

minigts
01-21-2014, 02:08 PM
I did some welding like that once.

Pat
01-21-2014, 03:20 PM
Eh, so so work....

:-)

blk86trbo
01-22-2014, 09:44 AM
This engine bay is going to look so nice when it's finished

2.216VTurbo
01-22-2014, 09:57 PM
This engine bay is going to look so nice when it's finished

Yeah, too bad its just gonna be in one of dem silly little kit cars:lol:

168glhs1986
01-22-2014, 10:55 PM
Yeah, too bad its just gonna be in one of dem silly little kit cars:lol:

Please defer to my license plate sir.

NOTAKIT

Ayone asking what is it must read the plate before getting a response.

GLHNSLHT2
01-22-2014, 11:31 PM
Please defer to my license plate sir.

NOTAKIT





"No Take It"????


You know, cause it's not worth anything to anyone.

Johnny
01-27-2014, 03:00 PM
I heard he built a 16 valve much later and i heard he used the neon motor probably because it was new / easy and cheaper.

I will shoot him an email and see if the neon motor rumor is accurate.

It is, I posted photos for you once.

Johnny
01-28-2014, 04:52 PM
I need a set Johhny. Mine are shot and even iftheywerent iwould replace them anyway. When can you ship them?

Jan 29th….. for the rears.

I took my rear control arms off today.
Had something that fit perfect, just a little too long. Made a jig to cut them to 20mm and they fit just right.

168glhs1986
01-30-2014, 05:44 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/31/3uvazaby.jpg

Off the shelf oil pan from Autozone. Pepboys was out of stock

spiro440
01-30-2014, 06:16 PM
Nice. What's the part number? I want to order one. This is one insane build. I'm going to have to drive down again.

168glhs1986
01-30-2014, 06:51 PM
He may be able to make one for the Red Baron. Bring it back down here.

168glhs1986
01-30-2014, 06:55 PM
It is, I posted photos for you once.

Apparently he built a T3 Consulier....see post #54. Not a great picture as it's a snippit of a video from what I understand.

Here is a comparison of neon motor / turbo and T3 motor and turbo

Rrider
01-30-2014, 06:59 PM
When do we get to see this thing with its vatozone pan smoke some $250k cars?

168glhs1986
01-30-2014, 07:02 PM
When do we get to see this thing with its vatozone pan smoke some $250k cars?

I have to learn how to drive this thing first.

But we're hoping late March / Early April.

168glhs1986
01-30-2014, 07:05 PM
Todd at TCE Performance is designing the brake setup front and rear.

Probably 12.2" rotors front and rear with 6 piston calipers.

TCE Performance is located not far from Turbosunleashed so Chris is nice enough to help me make sure the brakes fit.

Since it's a mid engine car he said we want a little more brake then normal in the rear and this car should stop "quick enough"

cordes
01-31-2014, 11:57 AM
Wow, this is getting pretty serious. Nice work.

Reaper1
01-31-2014, 01:46 PM
I'm interested to know what size MC is going to be used for the brakes, what the pedal ratio is, and what the piston sizes are. Then, once installed, what the pedal travel is to achieve 90# of pedal pressure (how much force you have to put on the pedal). I know...a lot if information, but I'm trying to get real world numbers to go by as math and theory only go so far. ;)

168glhs1986
01-31-2014, 04:59 PM
^^ why do engineers always get in the way of good old throwing caution to the wind?

Won't apply to your car anyway so information will be next to worthless for you

Reaper1
02-01-2014, 10:46 PM
I fully intend on making it apply to my car! ;) :thumb:

168glhs1986
02-02-2014, 01:04 PM
Nice - congrats on the purchase !!!! Have you posted up pics yet? Masi powered I hope

Johnny
02-02-2014, 01:20 PM
I fully intend on making it apply to my car!

What car?

Reaper1
02-02-2014, 03:25 PM
Nice - congrats on the purchase !!!! Have you posted up pics yet? Masi powered I hope

What car?

No...not a GTP (I wish) :( . '88 Shelby Z. I intend on putting 6-pot calipers in the front and 2-pot ones (at minimum) on the rear. I also know that this is most likely going to require a different master cylinder set-up and possibly an altered or totally aftermarket pedal set-up. No, it's not the same car, but it's the closest I can get to what I'm looking at doing that can yield information that could be somewhat useful.

168glhs1986
02-04-2014, 07:17 PM
I'd like to know if any Consulier "street" car came with a diff...I'd bet money on it that most didn't. I know mine didn't , nor did the NOS motor / tranny I bought.

Warren what say ye?

168glhs1986
02-05-2014, 05:38 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/06/ge2e6ypa.jpg

Johnny
02-05-2014, 06:50 PM
Timing probe?

Pat
02-05-2014, 07:21 PM
looks like a T3 crank sensor in a 555 case

168glhs1986
02-05-2014, 09:16 PM
^^ bingo. Look how well the original tranny cleaned up.

168glhs1986
02-06-2014, 12:13 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/07/6e4a9ygy.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/07/areva6u4.jpg

Trans ready and payment for trans ready, lol

cordes
02-06-2014, 12:18 PM
I'm officially going into the transmission business.

turbo2point2
02-06-2014, 01:20 PM
i'm officially going into the transmission business.

lmao!!

contraption22
02-06-2014, 01:51 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/31/3uvazaby.jpg

Off the shelf oil pan from Autozone. Pepboys was out of stock

I put a call in to Dorman. It was on backorder.

Reaper1
02-06-2014, 02:35 PM
I'm sure it's a joke, but for $9k that tranny better have a custom sequential gearset in it!! LMAO!! :thumb:

rx2mazda
02-10-2014, 10:48 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/07/areva6u4.jpg






Trans ready and payment for trans ready, lol




Meehhhh, old hundreds.

168glhs1986
02-10-2014, 12:54 PM
Motor is zipped up!

Wastelands Warrior
02-13-2014, 10:38 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/07/6e4a9ygy.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/07/areva6u4.jpg

Trans ready and payment for trans ready, lol

I've never met Mike Wah [168glhs1986] in person, but googled his name, and this picture came up:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2011/05/donald-trump-ca-2011-a-p.jpg

So, that explains the unlimited funds...:lol:

black86glhs
02-14-2014, 12:13 AM
Meehhhh, old hundreds.Must be inherited money. If he earned it they would be the newer bills, right?
Liking this build Mike. Looks good. Your so lucky to be able to find all of those "over the counter" parts!! ;)

Reaper1
02-20-2014, 02:59 PM
'Dat HAIR!!! :yuck:

Keito
02-20-2014, 03:34 PM
Mike, you don't have one of these.
http://www.racer.com/index.php/cars-for-sale/item/100977-1991-imsa-gtu-champion-scca-spu-dodge-daytona

168glhs1986
02-20-2014, 03:39 PM
I was looking at that. The 2 spares masi motors are worth the asking price alone, lol.

I would want the RWD version and I know the current owner put a lot of time and money into bringing it back to life but at $80k you would have to love Dodge a little more than I do :)

If I were to spend $80 k on a dedicated race car it would more than likely be one with a Porsche badge on it.

86Shelby
02-20-2014, 04:28 PM
How is the shifter mechanism arranged on the transmission? I notice that there are 2 inputs in the shifter housing with what appears to be a bar on the end where the cables normally attach.

168glhs1986
02-20-2014, 04:34 PM
That's a good question. All I know is we didn't want to experiment with the 568 tranny because this was already setup to run the 555 and it would have been difficult / if not impossible to change.

ForzaV12
02-21-2014, 12:40 AM
48922

If I were to spend $80 k on a dedicated race car it would more than likely be one with a Porsche badge on it.

Since you mentioned it, here is the new twin plug 3.2 going into my 1750lb early 911. ;)
Love this GTP build btw!

DetroitTurbo
02-21-2014, 11:19 AM
Awesome car, I wish I could have bought one when they went up for sale. I have to say though that I like the old star wheels better than the chrome ones.

c2xejk
02-21-2014, 01:51 PM
If I were to spend $80 k on a dedicated race car it would more than likely be one with a Porsche badge on it.

On that site, the Porsche badged cars go for WAY more than $80k.

http://www.racer.com/index.php/cars-for-sale/item/100979-2006-porsche-gt3-cup-997

zin
02-21-2014, 03:14 PM
48922

Since you mentioned it, here is the new twin plug 3.2 going into my 1750lb early 911. ;)
Love this GTP build btw!

If you stumble upon a set of unwanted (read cheap) carbs like the one's in you picture... let me know, I've got a Falconer intake for a GM V6 (60*) that is awful lonely...:(

Seems like they are quite coveted, every set I've found makes stand-alone Fuel Injection look much more appealing.

Mike

168glhs1986
02-21-2014, 06:33 PM
Awesome car, I wish I could have bought one when they went up for sale. I have to say though that I like the old star wheels better than the chrome ones.

Let me get it out in the light first. The finish is special black chrome and not chrome. I'm not loving them right now but I haven't seen them in the daylight.

They are definitely staying but I think they will look better once in the natural light and with bigger Wilwood 4 pots behind them :)

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/22/huhegamy.jpg

I'm laying the groundwork for the brake setup....so if anyone wants to stop faster just let me know and I'll give you the contact info. Let me prove this setup first thou......it's been a difficult custom build but it should:

Give slightly firmer pedal feel
Give more torque and better efficiency.
Stop on a dime and give you 5 cents back
Out brake those pesky M3's at your local track
Out brake those pesky Z06's at your local track
Out brake those retired F1 race cars are your local track....well let's not get crazy here.

Overall I just want to brake better and look better. All that for under $2500 isn't too bad of a deal.

168glhs1986
02-21-2014, 06:40 PM
48922

Since you mentioned it, here is the new twin plug 3.2 going into my 1750lb early 911. ;)
Love this GTP build btw!

Wow, I'd like to take a spin in that car...well not literally a spin but you know what I mean...I hear those old 911's are tricky :)

What are your plans for the Porsche and when ready? Is it a dedicated track car?

Thanks for the compliment Mr. Forza. Feel free to post some inspiration pics of your car, interior or otherwise. All ideas and pics welcome and I'm sure it looks killer.

168glhs1986
02-21-2014, 08:26 PM
On that site, the Porsche badged cars go for WAY more than $80k.

http://www.racer.com/index.php/cars-for-sale/item/100979-2006-porsche-gt3-cup-997

And this is why id never own one. Because id want a $120 k car for $80 k :)

GLHNSLHT2
02-21-2014, 10:39 PM
I really like 911's. Hell I was almost born in one. But I'd still take the GTU daytona over the GT3. They're like A$$holes, everyone has one. Can't say that about the daytona.

In my experience, 70 911T Targa converted to S specs with a 75 2.7 out back, old porsche's drive kinda like FWD TD's. On the gas understeer, off the gas oversteer. Be smooth, match revs on downshifts into corners, don't be afraid to get on the gas. Use the power and rear end grip to your advantage and they're fine. It's when you throw a person used to a front engine RWD setup into one that things get dangerous. Their 1st inclination when something isn't kosher is to lift off the throttle. This then sends them into a death slide and they're probably going to hit something. But give it some power, the rear end hooks up and away you go.

ForzaV12
02-21-2014, 11:01 PM
Wow, I'd like to take a spin in that car...well not literally a spin but you know what I mean...I hear those old 911's are tricky :)

What are your plans for the Porsche and when ready? Is it a dedicated track car?

Thanks for the compliment Mr. Forza. Feel free to post some inspiration pics of your car, interior or otherwise. All ideas and pics welcome and I'm sure it looks killer.

Thanks! I've owned this 911 since the 80s. I vintage raced in for years and won a few races with it. While it didn't really need it, I decided I'd repaint it and retire it from the track. I found a great 50's Ferrari color and literally had to bribe the guy when he was at the shop that services my Ferrari to give me the paint code. he wouldn't do it, but agreed to bring me a gallon of the paint-not cheap!. 10 years of body shop love, a complete redesign of the interior(think early Porsche 911R style), a Supertech "Ultimate" twin plug beast of an engine and a set of very rare magnesium period race wheels will make for a very entertaining ride. I might auto X a time or two, but its wheel to wheel days are over. The good news is that early 911 prices(even modded cars) have gone through the roof so its all good.

As to the GTP-sheesh, every time I replace or upgrade a piece of the interior, whatever is next to it looks like crap. Today we completely gutted it as some of the original carpet had some rot and discoloring. The headliner was crap too-full dirt in the eyes every time I drove it. I've only driven it a few times as I hate it when a car isn't in alignment with my "vision" for the car. Plus, I really didn't want to expose the car to the brutally high standards of our local Cars and Coffees. The car received enough bad press in its day. I think I can correct most of the aesthetic issues(inside and out) and want its public debut to be positive-not limping in to the lot with some clapped out, dated old "supercar".

I like what you are doing with your car as I believe it will set a very high bar for GTP performance and I'm sure you'll ensure that it shows great as well. Interestingly, we went to the premier the other night for the movie, Need for Speed and one of the main exotic cars(a Konigsegg of some type) looked an awful lot like the GTP!

ForzaV12
02-21-2014, 11:05 PM
48927see what i mean?

168glhs1986
02-21-2014, 11:43 PM
Certainly. Flat side lines. Wish our wheel wells were made for 18" wheels. Heck even 18's look good on a mini cooper but get to 17" on a Consulier and you've gone 1" too big imo.

The angle i like the best with the Consulier is from the front.

I plan on going no carpet or headliner for interior or now. Looks much better that way than with bad wool tan carpet.

Kicking around an exterior restoration and possible color change.

At min this year before SDAC i will paint bumpers, rockers and back black.

I hope the ac works well, i want to drive it quite a bit this summer.

I guess i will wait on the wing also. If i do wing i will need to do front spitter and thats a pain for a street car.

ForzaV12
02-21-2014, 11:57 PM
The floor carpets are easy to replace, all the weird shaped panels, not so much. I went with a Porsche RS type of perlon lightweight black felt. It looks pretty nasty without a headliner, I thought I might leave it off too, but it screams "kit car" with the rough, lumpy surface. I hope to get the alcantera applied to the headliner this week end. The AC on my car works pretty well, although car runs hotter than I'd like-hope I don't have to fab up a new rear panel with additional/newer fans. At least I could produce a better looking set-up if i have to go that route.
There were a couple vented holes in floor pan-must have been missing a plug? I can't imagine they are supposed be left open as every time to went over a puddle you'd flood the carpets-maybe that's what happened to mine.
I agree, can't use much larger wheels on that design-one, they don't really fit and second, they don't look right, IMO.
I actually just painted my front bumper to match the body as I felt the big black blob looked like a safety car or rubber baby buggy bumper. Mine had numerous cracks and splits-took me a while to re bond it and get the shape right again. I'd like to paint mine black as I think that would disguise some of the odd forms and shape transitions. It will stay red for a while though and I employ some visual band-aids.
Still working on Lexan light covers too.

Reaper1
02-22-2014, 09:27 PM
.. old porsche's drive kinda like FWD TD's. On the gas understeer, off the gas oversteer. Be smooth, match revs on downshifts into corners, don't be afraid to get on the gas. Use the power and rear end grip to your advantage and they're fine. It's when you throw a person used to a front engine RWD setup into one that things get dangerous. Their 1st inclination when something isn't kosher is to lift off the throttle. This then sends them into a death slide and they're probably going to hit something. But give it some power, the rear end hooks up and away you go.

It's funny you posted this. I was just reading in one of my Grassroots Motorsports where they interviewed Hurley Haywood about how to drive an older 911 and they had a graphic showing the acceleration and braking zones going into/out of a corner. Driving my car is/was EXACTLY the same.

I wonder if the GTP's drive like that, too?

GLHNSLHT2
02-22-2014, 09:37 PM
More than likely not since they're mid engine.

Reaper1
02-22-2014, 11:17 PM
More than likely not since they're mid engine.

True, and the weight distribution is much different than either the 911 or a typical TM/TD (though mine was pretty good for a FWD at 60/40 front/rear, race scales confirmed).

I know I've heard from at least 2 people that the limits of these cars are so high that to push them on the street is just asking for trouble, but has anybody taken one off the street and really hooned it out just to see where those limits might be? I know it's a crap time of the year to ask that, so I honestly don't expect any kind of answer. Based on their racing history they've got to be pretty darn good...maybe even on the scary side of good...

168glhs1986
02-22-2014, 11:45 PM
How is the weight distribution much different than a 911? Actually its just about identical. 911 is 35/65 and Consulier reports 36/64.

GLHNSLHT2
02-23-2014, 12:38 AM
it's where the weight is. Consulier is in front of the rear axle instead of behind it.

Johnny
02-23-2014, 12:50 AM
it's where the weight is. Consulier is in front of the rear axle instead of behind it.

And that makes a whole lot of difference.

Johnny
02-23-2014, 12:57 AM
And a 1990 Porsche 911 is about 3000 pounds.

GTP#44
02-23-2014, 08:38 AM
Certainly. Flat side lines. Wish our wheel wells were made for 18" wheels. Heck even 18's look good on a mini cooper but get to 17" on a Consulier and you've gone 1" too big imo.

The angle i like the best with the Consulier is from the front.

I plan on going no carpet or headliner for interior or now. Looks much better that way than with bad wool tan carpet.

Kicking around an exterior restoration and possible color change.

At min this year before SDAC i will paint bumpers, rockers and back black.

I hope the ac works well, i want to drive it quite a bit this summer.

I guess i will wait on the wing also. If i do wing i will need to do front spitter and thats a pain for a street car.


On my GTP I am running YOKOHAMA ADVAN 235/40ZR17 tires.
They are mounted on OZ Supreleggera rims.
It is pretty tight and they only rub a touch on real tight turns......tuff, but fun with no power steering.

168glhs1986
02-23-2014, 09:02 AM
And a 1990 Porsche 911 is about 3000 pounds.

Has anyone ever actually scaled their car? Im hesitant to believe all propaganda out of the Consulier camp.

I doubt its possible to see if the monocouque weighs 250 lbs ish but are we even under 2150 without driver?

I was asked by the brake guru and had nothing for him.

Johnny
02-23-2014, 11:18 AM
I did and posted is somewhere a while back. But mine is a targa and no back window or tops in place.
I took it to the steel scrap yard which is very accurate.

Johnny
02-23-2014, 01:34 PM
I can't find the paper from steel yard and can't find where I posted it. Sorry. Will look more…..

Found it….. 2320 pounds.

player1up
02-26-2014, 01:32 PM
The floor carpets are easy to replace, all the weird shaped panels, not so much. I went with a Porsche RS type of perlon lightweight black felt. It looks pretty nasty without a headliner, I thought I might leave it off too, but it screams "kit car" with the rough, lumpy surface. I hope to get the alcantera applied to the headliner this week end. The AC on my car works pretty well, although car runs hotter than I'd like-hope I don't have to fab up a new rear panel with additional/newer fans. At least I could produce a better looking set-up if i have to go that route.
There were a couple vented holes in floor pan-must have been missing a plug? I can't imagine they are supposed be left open as every time to went over a puddle you'd flood the carpets-maybe that's what happened to mine.
I agree, can't use much larger wheels on that design-one, they don't really fit and second, they don't look right, IMO.
I actually just painted my front bumper to match the body as I felt the big black blob looked like a safety car or rubber baby buggy bumper. Mine had numerous cracks and splits-took me a while to re bond it and get the shape right again. I'd like to paint mine black as I think that would disguise some of the odd forms and shape transitions. It will stay red for a while though and I employ some visual band-aids.
Still working on Lexan light covers too.

I want to do the headliner on mine too, but it looks like it was installed BEFORE the glass... Is that the case?

minigts
02-26-2014, 02:05 PM
What? The headliner is removable by taking out the pillar trim, I think that's all for the Omni. for the Lbody you have to pull off the seat belt covers since they are mounted up top. I've done the headliner in my cars before, it's not hard. Just be sure to watch a video or two to get the process down and you should be fine.

player1up
02-26-2014, 02:54 PM
I'm sooo confused, I thought we were talking about the consulier lol

The headliner in the consulier runs all the way from the bottom of the b-pillar over the top and to the bottom of the a-pillar AND it looks like the glass sealant is on top of where the headliner wraps into the window openings

minigts
02-26-2014, 03:03 PM
haha, sorry I forgot this is Wah's Consulier thread. I got it confused with his OTHER car threads. Sorry, my mistake!

85boostbox
02-26-2014, 03:51 PM
^troll

minigts
02-26-2014, 04:02 PM
^troll

hahaha I'll be trollin' at the autocross. ;)

85boostbox
02-26-2014, 05:24 PM
What following people around? Hahaha

minigts
02-26-2014, 05:44 PM
What following people around? Hahaha

Why you....;)

ForzaV12
02-26-2014, 08:01 PM
I want to do the headliner on mine too, but it looks like it was installed BEFORE the glass... Is that the case?

It is a full kit car mess! Mine is even worse because of the sunroof. Nothing really holds it in by the windows except glue, sealer and the windows-front,side, rear. there was no way I was going to risk removing window, so I used Alcantara without foam after grinding off the foam/glue mess. Precise cuts and super duty glue seem to have worked pretty well. Cut new pieces into two parts as trying to install entire thing with windows,sunroof,etc is unworkable. I'll post pics soon as we are almost done.

player1up
02-27-2014, 12:36 PM
It is a full kit car mess! Mine is even worse because of the sunroof. Nothing really holds it in by the windows except glue, sealer and the windows-front,side, rear. there was no way I was going to risk removing window, so I used Alcantara without foam after grinding off the foam/glue mess. Precise cuts and super duty glue seem to have worked pretty well. Cut new pieces into two parts as trying to install entire thing with windows,sunroof,etc is unworkable. I'll post pics soon as we are almost done.

yeah...I was hoping i was wrong...DOH!

Chris W
03-13-2014, 01:11 PM
On my GTP I am running YOKOHAMA ADVAN 235/40ZR17 tires.
They are mounted on OZ Supreleggera rims.
It is pretty tight and they only rub a touch on real tight turns......tuff, but fun with no power steering.

So, all around same tire size? Where does it rub up front? Just wondering if my series 1 would rub worse or the same. What rim width on the OZ?

Chris