T3 GTP build

[wheming]

Saw your car at the shop Sat. I really like it. They do look better in person as opposed to pictures.
I should have sat it it, to try it on, but i didn't.

[168glhs1986]

Thank you. You should have. They are very comfortable. Car has 5 months of garage dust on it. Hasn't been driven since nov last year

[2.216VTurbo]

Not sure I understand the issue, 6 thou clearance in the valve to guide or head to seat or? Was it smoking/using oil?

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Not sure I understand the issue, 6 thou clearance in the valve stem to guide or head to seat or? Was it smoking/using oil?

[168glhs1986]

Guide to valve. Was smoking from day 1.

Just got around to diagnostic. Pistons and turbo are fine. Brian took head off and found the culprit

[GLHS069]

yea it smoked a lot when you stomped her down when we went to Quaker Steak at Carlisle last year.

[168glhs1986]

^^ I remember you saying that. That was on the highway approaching the exit ramp iirc

[168glhs1986]

Head is ready for install. Complete valve job and new valves on the exhaust side.

Ordered double adjustable front shocks to replace my non adjustable street front shocks.

Cant wait for the first track day now.

[168glhs1986]

After a complete valve job by Slowe Speed, Im happy to report the head is perfect. No more burning oil and smoking out the tailpipe.

Im also happy to report is appears the trans issues have been solved.

Thanks to advice help in my thread, Brian swapped out the 1-2 stuff from a 568 into the existing 555 case and used an 89 and up shaft. It was then filled with ATF fluid.

After a spirited test drive is appears the grinding issues are only a memory. I will update this again to confirm.

The double adjustable shocks have been installed, the drivers axle repacked and the welded shaft replaced.

At this time the only outstanding concern is the passenger window. It wont operate and Brian is looking into this tomorrow.

With any luck I'll be taking it to Mont Tremblant in 2 weeks and joining Spiro for some road course fun.

[wheming]

Good news to hear!

[Reaper1]

It was then filled with ATF fluid.

That's interesting. What was the reasoning here? I thought ATF was determined a very long time ago from multiple sources to not be a good fluid for our manual transmissions.

[168glhs1986]

That's interesting. What was the reasoning here? I thought ATF was determined a very long time ago from multiple sources to not be a good fluid for our manual transmissions.

Castrol AFT +4. Has better friction properties or something like that.

[Reaper1]

Hmm...BITOG here I come!

[168glhs1986]

^^ haha. Let me know what you find out.

[168glhs1986]

So ill make this post short as i have 3 hours to clean our house beore its shown by our agent.

I picked up Frank last night and went for a test drive with Brian.

The first thing I noticed was the buttery smooth 1/2 shift. When not at WOT Every time i shift to 2nd i smile.

Brian said get on it....i said im scared :) but i quickly obliged.

Holy balls this car is insane. The smile i had before was quickly replaced with concentration as i rowed thru the gears hearing the unusual exotic sound of the T3 right behind me.

I know its been a while since driving it but it feels much quicker than before. Im thinking the engine and turbo really likes the change to synthetic oil and i gained some torque and quicker spool.

Call me crazy but thats what i have to be to drive this car all out on the road course :)

Repair list done:

Axle swap
Passenger window motor replaced
Oil swap to synthetic
Trans refreshed with new style 1/2 gears and hardware
Trans fluid replaced to Castrol ATF +4
Complete valve job on head
Double adjustable front shocks installed
Rpm gauge reset with integrated 7200 rpm shift light

Thank you Brian

[wheming]

Sounds exciting!

[Reaper1]

So I tried to read up on the ATF +4 thing in the manual tranny. Nothing I could find said it would be a bad thing. The only issue is that it's not good for metal parts wearing on each other. It's meant for wet friction surfaces. I will say I found out that GL5 gear oils will cause problems with yellow metal...I didn't know that (shamefully).

Personally, I wouldn't run ATF. I would go with a standard oil or a specialized manual transmission lube. Mitsubishi supposedly has one of the best manual tranny fluids out right now because they had to find a way to get the trannies to live in the Evo X. Maybe look into that? I'm sure it's not cheap, though.

[cordes]

So I tried to read up on the ATF +4 thing in the manual tranny. Nothing I could find said it would be a bad thing. The only issue is that it's not good for metal parts wearing on each other. It's meant for wet friction surfaces. I will say I found out that GL5 gear oils will cause problems with yellow metal...I didn't know that (shamefully).

Personally, I wouldn't run ATF. I would go with a standard oil or a specialized manual transmission lube. Mitsubishi supposedly has one of the best manual tranny fluids out right now because they had to find a way to get the trannies to live in the Evo X. Maybe look into that? I'm sure it's not cheap, though.

What's a 555 or 568 going for these days? I'm all for an expensive fluid vs an expensive rebuild. I'll be looking forward to reports of the Metric Racing out of CAN. If that pans out I may go with ATF eh?

[contraption22]

There are some high quality ATF's that offer a API rating of gear oil protection.

http://www.redlineoil.com/content/files/tech/ATF%20PDS%202-10.pdf

[168glhs1986]

Drove Frankenstein another 300 miles to Slowe Speed for some adjustments.

My drive was filled with the usual super model attention the car gets on the road. I obliged one video taker with a few 5th to 4th 65-90 mph pulls.

So the short plan yesterday was:

Out with 225 45 16 front and 225 50 16 rear
In with 205 45 16 front and 225 45 16 rear

Lowered front to 23 1/4" and kept rear at 23 7/8.

After 5 attempts: REAR shocks to 13 (single adjustable) and FRONT shocks to 8 compression and 10 rebound.

Welded on a new exhaust tip as the old one cracked. Brought it out a litte further past the license plate.

Car handles night and day different. Frank loves RAKE.

Getting it corner balanced and aligned on Tuesday. Then off to Canada to visit Spiro and Mont Tremblant.

This car keeps getting better and and is becoming quite addicting.

[168glhs1986]

:hail:

[wheming]

Looks good Mike!

[Pat]

Awesome. Looks great.

When do you leave?

[spiro440]

Can't wait to have you up hear. Car looks fantastic. We are going to have a blast. Unfortunatly the Red Baron and Frankenstein will not play together being that he's out of order. I'll find something to use for that weekend.
See you soon.

[black86glhs]

Can't wait to see what numbers it puts down. Awesome!

[Chris W]

Car looks FANTASTIC! Kudos to Brian for all his hard work.


So what you are saying is the M3's are no longer at the top of your favorite list? You still looking to sell it? ;)

Chris-TU

[spiro440]

Can't wait to see what numbers it puts down. Awesome!

This isn't 1/4 mile. It's a wonderful track that's about 3 miles long. I was pushing speeds of 110mph on long sweeps and topping at around 125mph with the GLH. With the GTP it will be just nuts Here is a link:
http://www.lecircuit.com/circuit.cfm

Aerial photo: http://www.lecircuit.com/circuitDocuments/CMT%20areal.jpg

We will be timing ourselves just the same but don't expect sub 11 sec. !!

[black86glhs]

This isn't 1/4 mile. It's a wonderful track that's about 3 miles long. I was pushing speeds of 110mph on long sweeps and topping at around 125mph with the GLH. With the GTP it will be just nuts Here is a link:
http://www.lecircuit.com/circuit.cfm

Aerial photo: http://www.lecircuit.com/circuitDocuments/CMT%20areal.jpg

We will be timing ourselves just the same but don't expect sub 11 sec. !!
I know, that is what I meant by the numbers it puts down...lap times man.....lol.

[2.216VTurbo]

I'm gonna say it if nobody else will, the guy in the pics is sexy too:eyebrows::evil:

[ForzaV12]

Drove Frankenstein another 300 miles to Slowe Speed for some adjustments.

My drive was filled with the usual super model attention the car gets on the road. I obliged one video taker with a few 5th to 4th 65-90 mph pulls.

So the short plan yesterday was:

Out with 225 45 16 front and 225 50 16 rear
In with 205 45 16 front and 225 45 16 rear

Lowered front to 23 1/4" and kept rear at 23 7/8.

After 5 attempts: REAR shocks to 13 (single adjustable) and FRONT shocks to 8 compression and 10 rebound.

Welded on a new exhaust tip as the old one cracked. Brought it out a litte further past the license plate.

Car handles night and day different. Frank loves RAKE.

Getting it corner balanced and aligned on Tuesday. Then off to Canada to visit Spiro and Mont Tremblant.

This car keeps getting better and and is becoming quite addicting.


Looks great! Can't wait to hear how you do on track.

[CoolV300C]

This your car?
http://hooniverse.com/2015/06/01/hooniverse-asks-what-automotive-unicorn-would-your-most-like-to-own/

[GLHNSLHT2]

no, pretty sure that's the targa that was for sale.

[168glhs1986]

Yes that was the targa for sale in Florida over a year ago.

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Had car corner balanced. I was 47 front and 53 rear. He raised the right front and now we are at 50/50.

Car weighs 2207 lbs without me and with a half tank.

Alignment specs are rear maxed out at .08 negative. Front .06 negative. Front toe zero and rear toe is 1/16 in.

At least now we officially know how much one weighs :)

[Reaper1]

Seems like 2200#'s was right. ;)

[168glhs1986]

I called them back and they now said the 2208 included the 190 lb driver and 180 lb passenger. Can this possibly be right?

[DaveSkrab]

I can start to believe it, being I have an empty monocoque my wife and I could move. They said 300 lbs for the shell.

[168glhs1986]

Ok...so I called back....twice.

Then ensured me the car was corner balanced with the 370 lbs of weight in the seats.

This would mean the car with 1/2 tank weighs 1838 lbs. So........I guess this means I'll have to have it weighed again to double check.

Oh and my brand new passenger side window motor decided to stop working again....Man sometimes I hate old cars and I just want to sell them all and buy a Porsche GT3 and actually save money :)

Mike

[ForzaV12]

Ok...so I called back....twice.

Then ensured me the car was corner balanced with the 370 lbs of weight in the seats.

This would mean the car with 1/2 tank weighs 1838 lbs. So........I guess this means I'll have to have it weighed again to double check.

Oh and my brand new passenger side window motor decided to stop working again....Man sometimes I hate old cars and I just want to sell them all and buy a Porsche GT3 and actually save money :)

Mike

Better check the price on that GT3 again ;)

[168glhs1986]

There you go bringing reality into my daydream.

Alright, how about a GT4 and pocket $20 grand. Whats that? Gt4 sold out....

Guess ill stick with my current garage of old junk for now.

Good news is took the window motor out and it started working again, reinstalled and good for the trip to canada.

On a side note. Talked to a guy at ptuning for 4 hours while waiting or my alignment. He was getting his stock f20 2.0 s2000 motor with new turbo tuned. 10 psi made 380 hp and 290 torque. Nice!

[cordes]

Wow. 380HP and 290tq; those things rev.

[ForzaV12]

Wow. 380HP and 290tq; those things rev.

They have to-they only have the torque of a butterfly wing stock.

[2.216VTurbo]

Every time I'm on a Roadcourse with the S2K's they are annoying as ish! On the straitaways I turn them into a dot in the rear view mirror, in the corners they are all up my arse. It's pretty universal with my cars, the Crossfire, Rampage, 87 GLHS, and 86 GLHS have all experienced it:( But heck, a quick Miata does the same thing to me:o. Now if I had a Mid engined GTP I'm sure it would be a different story:evil:

[ForzaV12]

Every time I'm on a Roadcourse with the S2K's they are annoying as ish! On the straitaways I turn them into a dot in the rear view mirror, in the corners they are all up my arse. It's pretty universal with my cars, the Crossfire, Rampage, 87 GLHS, and 86 GLHS have all experienced it:( But heck, a quick Miata does the same thing to me:o. Now if I had a Mid engined GTP I'm sure it would be a different story:evil:

Not to burst your bubble-but most of the newer stuff handles really well. My ATS easily out handles the last M3s I owned.

[168glhs1986]

Steve is right. Cars just handle better and brake better than our low (no) technology cars. They keep momentum and even the newer turbos dont have lag.

To Alan's point, I am getting comfortable in the GTP coockpit. With a few more mods and years of seat time I'll be ready for the ultimate street car challenge.

Last week sliding it around on dry pavement at low speeds was a thrill. However there is a big difference between sliding around at 30 mph and sliding around at 100 :)

On the short list of mods are better seats. Also considering a roll cage or at least a bar.

On the long list of mods are proper wheel offset and width and possible body mods to accommodate that.

[mopar-tech]

They keep momentum and even the newer turbos dont have lag.



If you have lag, you are not driving it right ;-)

[168glhs1986]

If you have lag, you are not driving it right ;-)

I wish that were the case.

I wanted a twin charged GTP but Brian talked me out of it. It would have sounded similar to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARvesNfkXAs

[ForzaV12]

Steve is right. Cars just handle better and brake better than our low (no) technology cars. They keep momentum and even the newer turbos dont have lag.

To Alan's point, I am getting comfortable in the GTP coockpit. With a few more mods and years of seat time I'll be ready for the ultimate street car challenge.

Last week sliding it around on dry pavement at low speeds was a thrill. However there is a big difference between sliding around at 30 mph and sliding around at 100 :)

On the short list of mods are better seats. Also considering a roll cage or at least a bar.

On the long list of mods are proper wheel offset and width and possible body mods to accommodate that.

I'd love to see your car at USSC. It will be capable of some serious speed so a proper cage is not a bad idea. When I had mine, I also looked into a custom set of wheels. Lighter and perfect offset will help, but we both know you have more power than any tire that will fit the stock body can handle!

[player1up]

So. I went to find out if there are any USCA events close to FL.. and wouldn't you just know it...Aaron ( green targa ) lives about 10 min from this weekends USCA event in KY...
I'm trying to talk him into going. I'm not sure his is race ready yet, but still would be cool to show up in something like the GTP, even as a spectator.

[168glhs1986]

Did you end up going Matt?

[player1up]

Did you end up going Matt?

Unfortunately not. Timing was too close to line up travel.
I told Aaron, but he too had other commitments...something about a new house and moving and boxes and not wanting to leave his pregnant wife alone to move while he was out at the track... I quit listening when he started saying he was too busy... LOL

[polopharm]

While Car is apart having head rebuilt , freeze plugs replaced. And a few other issues addressed ,

Just sent headers out to "jet-hot" to thermally coat them. It protects the metal, comes in many colors. stays cooler both inside and out. Www.jet-hot.com


Awhile back in the build thread there were pictures of the powder coated headers and other " hot parts " , the powder coating did not last. Flaked off in big pieces.
Header also got hot! Hot enough to melt the shock eyelet. , and the starter turned to molten lava.

This process seems to be the best option.

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[polopharm]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160422/c20e5aa2ac281bbbffe4a9459334c7f5.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160422/1fac9ab48e4a77069604cb5f6d3a5120.jpg
Corner of number 4 cylinder leaking through porous weld.
Evidently this welding of the oil port or plug with an npt fitting is a common on t3's. This weld did not hold up.

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[rx2mazda]

Nice to see this beast getting love from somebody in the community! Tell me you're going to paint it. :)

[polopharm]

Noooo to paint. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160423/e64ade5a0d9097c3b7dbfb12c219e9f4.jpg

That's why http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160423/58babb0f3340328d8a759da166e57c18.jpg

This all discovered after I got it.
it was fitted with t3 then removed when they could not source enough.

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[Reaper1]

That's AWESOME!!

[contraption22]

While Car is apart having head rebuilt , freeze plugs replaced. And a few other issues addressed ,

Just sent headers out to "jet-hot" to thermally coat them. It protects the metal, comes in many colors. stays cooler both inside and out. Www.jet-hot.com (http://Www.jet-hot.com)


Awhile back in the build thread there were pictures of the powder coated headers and other " hot parts " , the powder coating did not last. Flaked off in big pieces.
Header also got hot! Hot enough to melt the shock eyelet. , and the starter turned to molten lava.

This process seems to be the best option.

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Can you post some pics of the flaked off coating? I had my exhaust pieces ceramic coated at the same place with the same stuff.

[polopharm]

I already sent it to the other company. I will check n see if they have started.

I was stupid n didn't take any pictures , but I also wasn't sure who had done it.

How is yours holding up ?

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[contraption22]

It's fine, but I only have about 20 minutes of run time on them.

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