Consulier GTPs up for grabs...

[Daytana]

A guy from TD just recently purchased two Consulier GTPs. They are all stored in a large warehouse at Mosler Automotive with prices ranging from $5k-$12k. Just thought I would post this up here incase anyone is interested. If I had $5k right now I would make the trip to Florida and scoop me one up. Donations? :p

http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f11/f68/501506-2-consulier-gtps.html

http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee355/fuel_injected_duster/Consuliers_for_sale_001_zps0a496769.jpg

[Directconnection]

awesome!

[shackwrrr]

Ive seen the ad for them for a while in GRM, thought it was cool they were TII. I could only imagine one with a crazy built TIII or Masi, would bring it back to supercar status.

[Keito]

Or SRT-4 power

[Oggie Fisher]

I recall seeing an ad for them in GSM as far back as November 2011. The post on TD contains insight into pricing.

[wheming]

Now that would be cool!
Man I need a bigger garage...or a warehouse!

[Ondonti]

Would be cool if they had vin numbers and were registerable.

[168glhs1986]

Op on td said he was going to dd one. I will call Mosler and see if they can be registered. Some where built with ac

[wheming]

Would be cool if they had vin numbers and were registerable.

Oh? They don't?
Guess I couldn't justify having one and never being able to drive...
Edit: see 2 posts down.

[85boostbox]

Could probably get it tagged as a kit car. That is what it is basically anyways.

[wheming]

Actually if you search google for pics they practically all have registration plates.

[Tempted]

Oh wow. I'm about to inquire now. I sold my Iroc R/T and will be happy to put my wagon on the back burner for one...

[cordes]

How big can you be and still fit in one of those comfortably?

[Khajjathefang]

Damn, wish I'd seen this when I sold the NSX. Def food for thought

[168glhs1986]

Owner was there but never called me back. Must not want to sell them that bad. I will call again tomorrow.

Not going to have M3 and this car and probably won't sell the m3 but who knows where the conversation will take me.

The fact that it can be a street car is just insane. Not sure I can handle all the attention the car would get.

For a awesome car im thinking $10k for car and then $15 - $20k in mods. Then when it's all said and done i would have have another car that's impossible to sell. Not sounding very reasonable right now.

[cordes]

Owner was there but never called me back. Must not want to sell them that bad. I will call again tomorrow.

Not going to have M3 and this car and probably won't sell the m3 but who knows where the conversation will take me.

The fact that it can be a street car is just insane. Not sure I can handle all the attention the car would get.

For a awesome car im thinking $10k for car and then $15 - $20k in mods. Then when it's all said and done i would have have another car that's impossible to sell. Not sounding very reasonable right now.

With what I've read about the GTP's on track performance I'm not sure that you would want to sell it? Can you imagine a car weighing hundreds of lbs. less than your S with the aerodynamics and lower CG to go with it? That would be unreal.

[Rrider]

Not sure I can handle all the attention the car would get.
Big dark sunglasses and a low cap every where you drive. And ignore all the looks. It will be worth it! Man I wish I wasn't broke.. $10k for the car and $5k after should do it.

[Tempted]

Apparently a few of those cars made it out of the shop with TIIIs dropped into them. According to Wiki there were also some modded for V8s. They are downright nasty with a mid mounted 2.2 TII, imagine what it would do with an LS4 stuffed mid-ship. Even a Caddy Northstar. But the flat out ultimate option would be the H1V8. Its essentially a pair of Busa motors chopped up and mounted to a custom built block(built to handle heavier than bike duties). Naturally aspirated it only makes about 500hp but with turbos they claim 800hp is possible. And it weighs less than 200 pounds loaded. The coolest part about it is the sound. Listening to it sing at WOT with your eyes closed makes you think you're at an F1 event. A 15k+ rpm 2.6 liter V8 makes one of the sweetest noises you can hear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YAFMZyBPI4

[thedon809]

I would rather have a turbo 4 than a big heavy v8 in a car like the gtp.

[Oggie Fisher]

They put an LT1 and LS1 in the later Intuder and Raptor. I agree, I'd rather have a 4 than a 8 in that car.

[Tempted]

That H1V8 weighs half of what our 2.2s weigh and can make double the power.

[blk86trbo]

Here's a couple neat pics!

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[SebringLX]

I want one! Don't know where I'd put it. Also should spend the money putting my car back on the road first. :P

[Rrider]

Hrmmm.. some spray tint and a few $2 reflectors from pep boyz.. :P

[thedon809]

That H1V8 weighs half of what our 2.2s weigh and can make double the power.I'm talking in reference to the GM v8's.

[Oggie Fisher]

There is a You Tube video mentioned in the TD thread that is really good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y45i0Yi8oo

There is also a copy of the article from Car and Driver that lambasts the car on the net as well, and another article about the Sebring challenge referenced in the video.

I knew that they had the T2, and the later models had the T3 and assumed the references to them as Shelbys was incorrect, but the valve cover on the Series 2 in the video says different.

[168glhs1986]

Only 1 car got a t3 motor and i was told Mosler is keeping that one for himself.

[Oggie Fisher]

There's another video on You Tube of the T3 car chasing their chump car around the parking lot. There are shells and other prototypes in the background.


Only 1 car got a t3 motor and i was told Mosler is keeping that one for himself.

Did they get back you? Given your S, I'd love to see what you could do to one of these.

[SebringLX]

The Consulier Commuter (RamChop) and the other van were kinda neat... ugly, but neat. The MT900 is in Forza, be cool if they added the GTP.

[JuXsA]

What electronics did they use? SBEC?

[168glhs1986]

I will find out soon and let you know

[Oggie Fisher]

What electronics did they use? SBEC?
Since it's a 2.2 TII I'm guessing LM or SMEC.

[85boostbox]

I will find out soon and let you know

Uh oh!!!!!!!!

[Reaper1]

I have been wanting one of these for years! I meant to make the short drive down there when I lived in Fl, but never got the chance. :(

IIRC they used MP SMEC's for control (you can actually see it in the one picture above next to the engine mounted on the left side). A few years back they sold off all the spare drivetrains they had....all brand new TII/A555 combos, never run, on pallets.

I thought they made a few with the TIII for racing purposes, but they were never sold that way. Obviously they made 1, but I thought there were a few more.

I personally agree that putting the NSRT4 driveline in it and making a monster out of it would be the way to go. Sure, all of our engines would be cool if only to keep the car fully retro '80's. If you really wanted to make something of it, a newer, still supported driveline would be the better way to go.

I do have to say, if I got one with no engine....yeah, that Masi would look SWEET under that bonnet!! :D

[cordes]

I have been wanting one of these for years! I meant to make the short drive down there when I lived in Fl, but never got the chance. :(

IIRC they used MP SMEC's for control (you can actually see it in the one picture above next to the engine mounted on the left side). A few years back they sold off all the spare drivetrains they had....all brand new TII/A555 combos, never run, on pallets.

I thought they made a few with the TIII for racing purposes, but they were never sold that way. Obviously they made 1, but I thought there were a few more.

I personally agree that putting the NSRT4 driveline in it and making a monster out of it would be the way to go. Sure, all of our engines would be cool if only to keep the car fully retro '80's. If you really wanted to make something of it, a newer, still supported driveline would be the better way to go.

I do have to say, if I got one with no engine....yeah, that Masi would look SWEET under that bonnet!! :D

Masi power would be the only way to go in one of those. If I had one I would seriously drop a Masi motor in it. Even 400HP out of a well done masi motor should be interesting.

[thedon809]

I would just do a stock turbo 3 bar setup and have fun. The things don't weigh anything. You don't need rediculous HP to go fast.

[Oggie Fisher]

Agreed. The most it weighs is 2200lb. 300hp would give you 272hp per ton. A C6 ZO6 has ~320hp per ton. The Intruder with the LPE LS1 had 330hp per ton.
No sense in having more power then it can put down.

[Pat]

A high revving 16v 2.2 with a very broad powerband (3500-7500ish) making 350-400 whp would make that thing a rocket. Area under the curve for the win!

[168glhs1986]

That sounds like a winner Pat

[85boostbox]

That sounds like a winner Pat

Uh oh again!!!!! So when do you get it and we want pics lol.

[Oggie Fisher]

A GTP @ SDAC would definitely make me regret not attending this year.

[trbowgn]

I would love one of these, it would make such a fun car and are really a forgoten part of Chrysler's turbo history. I could give a F if Time thinks they are ugly.

[168glhs1986]

Don't worry Oggie won't be attending this years SDAC with a Consulier GTP

[BadAssPerformance]

Don't worry Oggie won't be attending this years SDAC with a Consulier GTP

Next year? ;)

[168glhs1986]

^^ well I was just referring to this year ;)

[wheming]

Well pick me up on your way down and we'll both drive one back....

[Ondonti]

I think I would also be scared to enjoy it. At what point do you just build a kit car and put your favorite motor inside?

[BadAssPerformance]

^^ well I was just referring to this year ;)

:thumb:

[168glhs1986]

Cant believe one of these cars will be in my garage by months end.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F2i3g0Z69v8

[Rrider]

Congrats!


I think I would also be scared to enjoy it.

I want one. Shoot its not like its a real Cobra or something. Its quite the opposite of being one of those worrisome cars that is hard to enjoy.

[85boostbox]

So which one are you getting???

[JuXsA]

Cant believe one of these cars will be in my garage by months end.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F2i3g0Z69v8

I wish they would spend an hour and snap a handful of pictures of each car and list the prices. I'm tempted to catch a flight down there to scope out a car but I'd like a little more info. There were quite a few that looked pretty damn rough and looked like only 2 that might be good as a daily needing little if any work

[168glhs1986]

Blue one at end of video 45531455324553345534

[85boostbox]

Awesomw Mike:thumbup: and congratulations.

[Rrider]

All that for less than the cost of a brand new compact folks.. :thumb:

[JuXsA]

Blue one at end of video 45531455324553345534

is that the one you're getting?

[cordes]

What brake and running gear systems do they use? Are they proprietary or are they based off of Chrysler stuff too?

[168glhs1986]

Thanks fellas. Yes the blue one is mine. Brakes are 10" all around from Fiero. Running a 555 with some sort of LSD iirc.

[JuXsA]

Thanks fellas. Yes the blue one is mine. Brakes are 10" all around from Fiero. Running a 555 with some sort of LSD iirc.

how did the others look? I got the guys phone # the other day but if you have already spoken with him let me know what you know before I go and give him a call

[168glhs1986]

how did the others look? I got the guys phone # the other day but if you have already spoken with him let me know what you know before I go and give him a call

I bought mine based off of pics so unsure about others available. I asked for a blue one and thats the only blue one he had. I know he sold something like 10 cars over the past week or so so better act fast if your seriously interested. Others on the forum have spoken with him also. Go or it!

[c2xejk]

How do you find about the ones that are still for sale?

[168glhs1986]

I called Mosler Industries in Florida and waited for them to call me back.

[Reaper1]

Wow! They are selling fast all of a sudden!

I wonder what they are going to do with all the body tooling?

[wheming]

What was left for series 2 cars?

[168glhs1986]

Wow! They are selling fast all of a sudden!

I wonder what they are going to do with all the body tooling?

They are selling due to the aggresive pricing. Rossion bought Mossler and apparently their inventory as well. Rossion needs to make room for their own supercars. My friend has a Noble and its as an intersting car Powered by a turbocharged Ford Sho motor. Weaks points are electronics and a lot of Noble owners will tell you they have a love /hate relationship with their cars.

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What was left for series 2 cars?

From my understanding not much. As of Wednesday the best car left was car #1. There were several people flying in to have a gander thou so not sure if its still available or not. It has 134 miles on it and they were asking $12k

[Reaper1]

Huh...didn't know Mosler sold out. That sucks. :(

[Rrider]

Why does everybody want the series 2 cars?

[shackwrrr]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4496652-Consulier-GTP-Sport-road-test-Challenge-America-competition

Cool Articles there one that gives all the specs. Kicked the Vette's --- and still got over 20mpg. Also mention of the TIII car making 240hp, getting kicked out of the supercar series, and beating everything that challenged it.

225/50's in the rear, probably not sutable for 360hp per ton. Wonder how tight it is in the rear, hopefully a 275 - 335 width tire will fit.

Add some round projectors in the headlight holes and they wouldn't look so bad.

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Why does everybody want the series 2 cars?

According to this video, they were 16v. Powered by Shelby valve covers FTW!

[GLHNSLHT2]

No the series 2 cars were still T2 powered. The T3 16v's were supposed to be called C-4's.

[168glhs1986]

Why does everybody want the series 2 cars?


Not a big fan of the fans in the rear of series I. I also like the rear cowl cover and the interior of the series II better.

Only 1 t3 was made and i was told Mosler kept that for himself.

[GLHNSLHT2]

looks like the Series 2 has the same fans in the back. At least from the pics above.

[Oggie Fisher]

I didn't see an external fan on the Series 2. What I found interesting was some of the Series 1 (like car #1) have a single fan, while others have 2 fans. Make you wonder if they needed more air flow.

[168glhs1986]

I didn't see an external fan on the Series 2. What I found interesting was some of the Series 1 (like car #1) have a single fan, while others have 2 fans. Make you wonder if they needed more air flow.

If you look closely at my car. You can see the fans inside the rear grill.

[GLHNSLHT2]

I can see 2 fans in the back of the blue series 2 above. Maybe not as predominately as the series 1 but they're there. Guess we'll have to wait for Mike to get some better pics.

[168glhs1986]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4496652-Consulier-GTP-Sport-road-test-Challenge-America-competition

Cool Articles there one that gives all the specs. Kicked the Vette's --- and still got over 20mpg. Also mention of the TIII car making 240hp, getting kicked out of the supercar series, and beating everything that challenged it.

225/50's in the rear, probably not sutable for 360hp per ton. Wonder how tight it is in the rear, hopefully a 275 - 335 width tire will fit.
.

Wheel upgrade on the short list !

[uwilluz]

I guess I'll be the first to say it:


Can we get at least one more person to scoop up one of these? If we can get two at next years SDAC we can have a drifting event :p

[shackwrrr]

http://youtu.be/_y45i0Yi8oo

Forgot the video, its mosler himself that says series 2 got 16v power.

[Oggie Fisher]

I've watched that video a few times. Mosler has what some might call selective memory, especially when compared to the C&D articles and Autoweek excerpts. From what I have read only the Series 2 C-4 has the 16v. By the time of the 91 C&D article he sold 80 cars, and the Intruder/Raptor came out in 93. Every picture I have ever seen of the engine bay had a T2.
This is supposedly the C-4:
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=YH5C1oeZlMA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYH5C1oeZlMA

[Daytana]

Good to see some of these going into the hands of TM'ers (people who understand them and not let them go to waste). The whole reason why I posted this thread. :thumb:

[168glhs1986]

Good to see some of these going into the hands of TM'ers (people who understand them and not let them go to waste). The whole reason why I posted this thread. :thumb:

Thank you Daytona. So your the reason for my divorce proceedings!

[Daytana]

Thank you Daytona. So your the reason for my divorce proceedings!


;) Welcome.

[Reaper1]

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing something somewhere that they built a few of the Series 2 cars with the 16V engine, but all of them (except the one, obviously) were race cars. I also thought I remember that when they were selling off all the spare engines that they had a few TIII engines and some parts that got scooped up.

[cordes]

Did we figure out how tall you can be while still fitting in one of these bad lads?

[wheming]

If I had garage space I would have scouped one up already.
I'm on the fence because I have nowhere to put it.
I like the series 2 interior better.
Were any that were sold actually running/driving cars? Or all sold for parts/repair?

[168glhs1986]

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing something somewhere that they built a few of the Series 2 cars with the 16V engine, but all of them (except the one, obviously) were race cars. I also thought I remember that when they were selling off all the spare engines that they had a few TIII engines and some parts that got scooped up.

Hopefully with the purchase of the car i get Warren Mosler's phone # and we can chat about the ars, lol. I will find out more on Tuesday the 25th. I wanted a t3 but was told only 1 existed in race and street car form and that Mosler kept it for himself when the company was sold.

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If I had garage space I would have scouped one up already.
I'm on the fence because I have nowhere to put it.
I like the series 2 interior better.
Were any that were sold actually running/driving cars? Or all sold for parts/repair?

From what i was told, Rossion didnt have time to get them running. They are too busy with their q1 supercars. The guy on turbododge who bought a 100k mile series Ii towed his home. The car had been sitting form10 years, he drained the gas, changed the plugs and she fired up. My car has been sitting for 5 years according to the paperwork. Who knows what it needs but im hoping i get lucky and it was put in the garage just fine.

[Reaper1]

I may still have his personal e-mail I got from a reputable source. Thing is it's on the back of a business card and it's probably packed with a whole bunch of stuff in a box that I haven't opened in a few years...maybe even in storage.

Yeah, I know...does a lot of good! LMAO

[2.216VTurbo]

Hopefully with the purchase of the car i get Warren Mosler's phone # and we can chat about the ars, lol. I will find out more on Tuesday the 25th. I wanted a t3 but was told only 1 existed in race and street car form and that Mosler kept it for himself when the company was sold.

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From what i was told, Rossion didnt have time to get them running. They are too busy with their q1 supercars. The guy on turbododge who bought a 100k mile series Ii towed his home. The car had been sitting form10 years, he drained the gas, changed the plugs and she fired up. My car has been sitting for 5 years according to the paperwork. Who knows what it needs but im hoping i get lucky and it was put in the garage just fine.

You know a Masi motor would be great in your car:eyebrows:, PM sent...

[Oggie Fisher]

[QUOTE=168glhs1986;998643]Hopefully with the purchase of the car i get Warren Mosler's phone # and we can chat about the ars, lol. I will find out more on Tuesday the 25th. I wanted a t3 but was told only 1 existed in race and street car form and that Mosler kept it for himself when the company was sold. QUOTE]

Are you shipping or going down to pick it up?

[168glhs1986]

You know a Masi motor would be great in your car:eyebrows:, PM sent...

A masi in a consulier gtp, double sick!

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Are you shipping or going down to pick it up?

Picking her up in person.

[bfarroo]

Man I'd really like to pick one up but I won't have the space for one for a few months, then I'll be broke after building my shop anyway. Why do they have to be 1500 miles away. That's $1000 just in gas round trip. Oh well, guess I can hope one pops up in a few years for a decent price :(

[168glhs1986]

What you guys think?

Masi / T3 / 2.4 or keep T2?

[cordes]

What you guys think?

Masi / T3 / 2.4 or keep T2?

I thought we already covered this? Call Alan ASAP. You know what needs to be done.

[168glhs1986]

I thought we already covered this? Call Alan ASAP. You know what needs to be done.

Haha. Its not as straight forward as just picking it up. Im going to have to call in the research team. Ayone know Gary Marzone or Chris Ramsdale?

[shackwrrr]

Masi or lotus are the only options. With both having extensive experience powering similar vehicles, it just makes sense.

[cordes]

Haha. Its not as straight forward as just picking it up. Im going to have to call in the research team. Ayone know Gary Marzone or Chris Ramsdale?

They're both on here. Get to PMing!

[mcsvt]

Haha. Its not as straight forward as just picking it up. Im going to have to call in the research team. Ayone know Gary Marzone or Chris Ramsdale?

Marzone? Yes I have the lost masi in my garage, I'll bring it down..

[uwilluz]

I vote Stage 3 SRT-4 power, but that is just me.

[168glhs1986]

Marzone? Yes I have the lost masi in my garage, I'll bring it down..


Sorry Gary, i meant Mazzone. Sweet, you have it?

[mcsvt]

Sweet, you have it?

If I knew where it was I would personally deliver it to Alan's door step, I'm ashamed to be involved in it at this point.

[168glhs1986]

If I knew where it was I would personally deliver it to Alan's door step, I'm ashamed to be involved in it at this point.

Gotcha, thanks. The assumption is the lost Masi motor was probably sold a few months back. We might try tracking it down via vin #. Thanks again Gary.

[Rrider]

Were these things ever sold in cali? You know for legality if one were to try to register one.. Or were they a 49 state deal? Very difficult to find information on these.

[unluckyty]

Has anyone see the any of the not complete cars, and possible pricing.

[cordes]

Has anyone see the any of the not complete cars, and possible pricing.

More importantly, what's the leg room like in these bad lads?

[blk86trbo]

More importantly, what's the leg room like in these bad lads?

LOL Hey Brian, I think you should just pull the trigger and purchase one...if it's too tight of fit, I'm sure you could flip it here pretty easy :thumb:

I've got a feeling that this is going to be another one of those times in my life when I look back and kick myself for not taking immediate action with this opportunity. It's totally impractical...but more than likely this will be the one and only time I'll have been able to afford a supercar.

Best of luck to everyone pursuing this event!

[unluckyty]

More importantly, what's the leg room like in these bad lads?

Has to be more than a glh.

[GLHNSLHT2]

This video popped up on Jalopnik today. Thought it was pretty interesting. Love the all silver. The red and black series 1 is cool too. Like how they used the Dodge rear side marker light as the 3rd brake light.


http://youtu.be/_y45i0Yi8oo

[Pat]

Yhat was a very cool video. Thanks for posting.

[wheming]

cool, and kind of sad.
those series 1 cars look better in that video. than those warehouse pics.
meaning, they might clean up nice

[168glhs1986]

cool, and kind of sad.
those series 1 cars look better in that video. than those warehouse pics.
meaning, they might clean up nice

Come one Wayne, stop trying to convince yourself. You know it's the ONLY and right thing to do! I'll get a better idea for you next Tuesday. I'm going to try to buy a bunch of literature and spare parts. I also like the Raptor front end better. May see if he has one of those laying around. Bet he does.

[wheming]

that's what i was thinking from the video too!
you might want a spare windshield or two.

I never got a call or email today, fyi.
maybe he doesn't think I should get one??

[Rrider]

I think its too late to get in on a whole one.

[168glhs1986]

I think its too late to get in on a whole one.

Is that what Mike had said? I could believe it with those blowout prices. But would feel for people on the fence here

[wheming]

Well, who else here ended up with one? Sounds like just Mike. If anyone else did get one, they are sure keeping it quiet.

[168glhs1986]

2 whole cars left. If anyone seriously interested pm me. Not sure what state they are in and don't have any details. He is super busy and info filtering in when he gets time

[Johnny]

I would sure love to have one of those.

[Vigo]

Seems like a ridiculously good deal at 5-10k considering the NICEST one was 12k and everything else must be less. To be honest i was never remotely interested in these things until the $5k number popped up. That's just insane for what it is.

[Rrider]

Mike said the car I was interested in, he had a buyer already. I think 2nd car he may be talking about is the barbie polka dot vert. Maybe things have changed since I spoke with him.

Same here Vigo, I almost pulled the trigger even though I have no business buying something like this.

[168glhs1986]

Yea i think he has parts cars left at this point. I know he doesnt have any raptor noses but he's checking on windshields. Also hoping he has a bunch of literature for car shows etc... Now im considering a parts car because i just renewed my warehouse lease but probably wont pull the trigger.

[Johnny]

If I could get one cheap...as in one with blown engine or trans....I would really think hard about it.

[c2xejk]

Mike said the car I was interested in, he had a buyer already. I think 2nd car he may be talking about is the barbie polka dot vert. Maybe things have changed since I spoke with him.

There is vert in the lot? Does it have a top? My wife might be very interested in a convertible with top (hard top or soft top.)

[Rrider]

The vert with the polka dots is the last complete car. The vid is earlier in the thread. Like Mike said if you're serious you should get on it! I don't think it will last past tomorrow.

[wheming]

Congrats!
I want to see some pics! ;)

[Johnny]

I think this one is mine!!! :) :)

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Anyone know how many of these were made?

[wheming]

Congrats Johnny!
Seen a number of about 100 thrown around. Don't know how many conv ones.

[Rrider]

I read 90 to 100. The vast majority being series 2 cars. Also the convertibles are very rare from the little I've been able to read on the web. Who knows how accurate random web info is tho.

[Johnny]

http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/consulier-gtp.html

[Rrider]

Wiki has some numbers info.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consulier_GTP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consulier_GTP)

[Johnny]

Watching the video....Interesting, some have one windshield wiper and others have 2.

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The vert with the polka dots is the last complete car.

Sold!

[bakes]

I think this one is mine!!! :) :)

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Anyone know how many of these were made?

ohhhhh time to put the raffle motor in it

[Johnny]

Can you imagine?
But not going to happen as long as I have the wagon.

[168glhs1986]

I think this one is mine!!! :) :)

?

Aside from the paint job, that car looks pretty mint from what I can tell. It could be missing an engine cover thou. Do you know how many miles on it? Doesn't look like very many.

Congrats Johnny. Looks like a possibility of 3 and possibly more sold to forums members.

[Johnny]

29,000 miles. missing the engine cover.
and 3,300 miles from home.

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WISH It was freshened up so I could fly and drive it home.

[Vigo]

I am starting to feel left out.. http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/Emoticons/emot-smith_zps1a64925d.gif

I did pick up another rare late 80s vehicle with a dodge 4 cylinder..
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/3Ef3t53s35Ib5r25Hed6bca901febdf491646_zpsb21fbcd2. jpg

But somehow it doesn't seem as exciting. http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/Emoticons/shrug001_zps9e3f1b09.gif

I think the hood qualifies as 'composite'.. and it makes extensive use of aluminum for weight savings..that's all i got.. http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/Emoticons/emot-cmon_zps590f5355.gif

[wheming]

You got more than me!
I got an empty feeling. :(

Its all good though. Happy to hear some of these were rescued by forum members. I probably didn't need one anyway.

But, I'm waiting to hear back and hopefully get pics of other stuff that is left. Just in case I do need one!

[Johnny]

I did pick up another rare late 80s vehicle with a dodge 4 cylinder..

What engine is in that van?

[Ondonti]

what engine is in that van?

tbi .

[Vigo]

It's a high-compression pre-turbo performance engine. At least, that's how the tbi in my Van ended up. :p

Im gonna have to come up with an excuse to swing by one of the three states where our new Consulier owners live and check one out..

[Johnny]

The car I am buying is the Barbie car, really. The Ken car is the other one similar to it.
The Barbie car was on some Matco tool calander once.

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I talked to Mike and he told me he thought only 55-56 cars were made, not 100.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Consulier-GTP-Van-Brochure-Electric-wn4056-XICJNA-/370773008970?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5653cb224a

This says they made and an electric GTP....anyone heard of that?

[168glhs1986]

I was informed at last nights capital chapter meeting the windshields are from a Saab! Thank you Bill.

5 days till launch!

[Johnny]

But which Saab and what year? And can these still be found?

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And I was told he thinks the Targa tops were from a Supra.

[Rrider]

Makes sense it would be a 1987ish Saab 900 windshield. From 1978 to 1993 the 900 windshields all look the same.

[Johnny]

Compare...yes I can see they might be right.

[Reaper1]

I am starting to feel left out.. http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/Emoticons/emot-smith_zps1a64925d.gif

I did pick up another rare late 80s vehicle with a dodge 4 cylinder..
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/3Ef3t53s35Ib5r25Hed6bca901febdf491646_zpsb21fbcd2. jpg

But somehow it doesn't seem as exciting. http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/Emoticons/shrug001_zps9e3f1b09.gif

I think the hood qualifies as 'composite'.. and it makes extensive use of aluminum for weight savings..that's all i got.. http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/Vigo327/Emoticons/emot-cmon_zps590f5355.gif

You gonna do a MIB treatment to it? I think that would be SWEET!! LOL

To make my response thread related, I have a college friend who got one of the GTP's. He lives outside of Orlando and says he's looking to try and DD it.

[wheming]

Compare...yes I can see they might be right.

To me the GTP windshield appears more wrapped.
Would need to see some other saab views.

[Rrider]

YES put that raffle motor in it. Johnny's FTD machine. Wagon will be still be great with a 30k mile t2 motor!

[Johnny]

Here is the ad that has been in the Grassroots Motorsports magazine for the last year.

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See the one car in the back, it has a sun roof.

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Insurance on a Consulier, wonder how that is going to play out.

[168glhs1986]

Good q Johnny. Sorry didnt return your pm. By the time i read it you had bought one anyway :)

I also tried to run the vin and maybe i entered it wrong but it said not valid. Anyone else try running vin?

[Johnny]

Did anyone that got one of these check on insurance????
Value?

[shmedley]

I wonder if Hagerty (http://www.hagerty.com/) will insure them if a "regular" insurance won't

[Johnny]

I am checking today. I just got my VIN.
I am going to be the very first owner of the car.

[wheming]

Are you getting a title Johnny?

[cordes]

I am checking today. I just got my VIN.
I am going to be the very first owner of the car.

Congrats on the brand new car!

[Johnny]

Are you getting a title Johnny?
I asked and they said "Of course".

[168glhs1986]

I got a vin also and when my brother ran it jt said none found. Calling insurance company now.

[Johnny]

I wonder who got the Ken car.

[168glhs1986]

I wonder who got the Ken car.

Got to ask Johnny. You krrping the Barbie car stock?

[Johnny]

Yes for the most part. Even the funny paint for now. Might add some 2.2 numbers the the round circles made from vinyl so it wont damage anything. But would give it more splash. I wonder why the circles were there. Did matco have something there. I looked and cant find anything on line about these cars (Barbie and Ken).

[Rrider]

I think one of these would be mad tiiiiite bagged and stanced out on 16x10's.

[Johnny]

Yes, I do wonder about what suspension is in these and what is the biggest wheel/tire combo can fit.

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Does this help it's looks? Or do I need a blow-up Barbie doll to put in the car.

[Rrider]

Make the digits smaller so they fit inside the circle. Kind of like the circles are placards on a race car. Loud colors work on race cars!

[Johnny]

I tried that first and it didnt work very well, numbers were too small.

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I contacted Matco on the Barbie and Ken cars....got this back......
Unfortunately, we do not have any information of this.
Thank you.
April Aurand

[Vigo]

Honestly, there is not much that COULD help that paint scheme but i think RRider's suggestion gets you closer!

[shackwrrr]

Try an older looking font and adding a pinstripe around the edge just inside the circle. Bam, instant meatballs

https://www.google.com/search?q=race+car+meatballs&rlz=1C1KMZB_enUS514US514&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=IUnDUcuIKLDl4AOBuYCwBQ&biw=1126&bih=682&sei=JEnDUaDLJ_fl4AO7jYHwCw#imgdii=_

[Johnny]

Just got off the phone with a guy involved in the building of these cars.
He gave me a part number for the fuel pump :)

#E2315 external high pressure pump.

Front brakes etc is all dodge daytona
the rears are mopar hubs but modified for Fiero brakes with a welded piece for the e-brake
(If I understood him right)
But all the suspension is custom made for the car.

[Rrider]

I would stick larger black circles over the pink ones. I think the contrast would still be ok since the blue digits are light.

Or meebe like shack says pinstripe circles.. larger white ones with the black stripe to visually separate them from the white body.

22 then add a dot.
http://www.righttoolusa.com/p/Scca-Nasa-Vinyl-Race-Car-Numbers-Roundel-Meatball-Kit-15938389.html?gclid=CKjR_8ar87cCFcU5QgodO24AhQ
(http://www.righttoolusa.com/p/Scca-Nasa-Vinyl-Race-Car-Numbers-Roundel-Meatball-Kit-15938389.html?gclid=CKjR_8ar87cCFcU5QgodO24AhQ)

[Johnny]

I found out the front brakes are fwd mopar stuff.
The rear brakes are Fiero with a part welded so the car has an ebrake.
Rear hub mopar, maybe
Fuel pump is external and is part number #E2315
Also found out the fuel tank is aluminum.

[168glhs1986]

I found out the front brakes are fwd mopar stuff.
The rear brakes are Fiero with a part welded so the car has an ebrake.
Rear hub mopar, maybe
Fuel pump is external and is part number #E2315
Also found out the fuel tank is aluminum.

Good info Barbie, errr i mean Johnny. Lol

[Johnny]

Do I need to get me a blonde wig?

[MPI_duster]

Well I haven't read through this whole thread, but I figured I should jump in. I'm the one from TD that posted the original thread about these being up for sale. I bought 2 of them. A red Series 2 with 103xxxmiles and a Series 1 Roadster that was never finished (missing wing/radiator/fuel tank/gauges/hood/decklid/interior). I've had the red on up and running for about a week now. But, the first full day of driving it I broke a shift cable....(if anyone has a shifter adjustment tool I could use one =D). As is with a stock 2.2 it will chirp the tires 5200rpm shift into second. The steering is incredibly responsive and a blast to drive. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask.

For some additional information: (about half way down)
http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/index.php/topic/33645-sports-car-that-used-the-glhs-motor/

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Did anyone that got one of these check on insurance????
Value?

I've got mine insured through Allstate, full coverage 100/300, collision and comp. $628 per half, no mileage restrictions

[88C/S]

Did any of the GTPs for sale have a C-4 in it?

[MPI_duster]

No, I was (to my knowledge) the first one looking at the cars after Mosler was sold to Rossion. None of them had a t3 engine otherwise I would own it.

[Johnny]

I have been getting quotes from different insurance places, American Collectors, Haggerty, Grundy, etc.
Most were about $500-$600 a year.
Grundy was less than $400
FYI

[168glhs1986]

No, I was (to my knowledge) the first one looking at the cars after Mosler was sold to Rossion. None of them had a t3 engine otherwise I would own it.

Early bird gets the worm! If you hadn't of posted your findings i would not own a Consulier. 2 weeks later if i would have just read your post i would have found that all of them are sold. How many cars were there on your visit? 20 something? All sold in a couple weeks.

[Oggie Fisher]

I have been getting quotes from different insurance places, American Collectors, Haggerty, Grundy, etc.
Most were about $500-$600 a year.
Grundy was less than $400
FYI
Agreed value?

[MPI_duster]

I have been getting quotes from different insurance places, American Collectors, Haggerty, Grundy, etc.
Most were about $500-$600 a year.
Grundy was less than $400
FYI

Most of those carriers to my knowledge have mileage limitations, I'm going to Daily Mine. Which makes it much harder to find someone who will insure it for actually value and full coverage.

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Early bird gets the worm! If you hadn't of posted your findings i would not own a Consulier. Thank you my friend!


That's why I originally posted on TD, so that people who would appreciate these cars would get them. Also, I didn't want them to just disappear to who knows where. As far as I can tell I think between this thread, TD, and my friends he in Florida, I had influence is selling just about all of the cars. I have a good buddy who bought the white/black series 1, his brother in law bought the green targa that was missing the back glass. A friend of a friend and his buddies bought 5 of them + a parts car. And then there is my Series 2 and my series 1 parts car.

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I will caution all of you on these cars. I originally had Ideas of putting BIG power in one of them. While I was there looking at the cars, trying to decide which one I wanted, I was looking closely for issues that were "common" and likely due to design/manufacturing. Many of the series one cars looks to have stress cracks starting around the rear subframe mounting bolts. The design for the bolts to the body is questionable, because there isn't anything (washer, plate, ect) designed to distribute the load across the fiberglass. All of the Stresses will be focused on or immediately around the bolt shank/head. The most power I plan to make with my Series 2 is about 300whp for fear of ripping the subrame from the body. My Series 1 is a Roadster and will get a 6 point cage for some added stability between the subframes. After that I plan to put an SRT4 motor with ~400whp.

If you do the math on these though 300whp~350-360net hp, which comes to 5.97lb/hp. Which puts your 0-60 in in the 3.7s-ish and a mid 11's quarter, that's 2013 super car territory all day long. And you can still rock a 1.10g turn. To me anything above that risk/reward becomes very skewed. .02 for anyone who hasn't picked theirs up yet. And I can tell you driving it in stock trim, stock hp is a blast. 4th gear clears 100mph with easy and wants to keep pulling.

[Rrider]

YES big thanks to MPI, 'tana and Mike for spreading the love!

There has got to be a way to resin in some carbon sheet reinforcements to the mount points.

[Johnny]

My thanks as well.
AND to Rrider who got me off my but to call and buy the last one.

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Agreed value?

Yes, and been using 25,000 as a figure at each place.

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Most of those carriers to my knowledge have mileage limitations, I'm going to Daily Mine. Which makes it much harder to find someone who will insure it for actually value and full coverage.

So who did you get?

[Vigo]

He mentioned he is using Allstate.

[Johnny]

I have been getting quotes from different insurance places, American Collectors, Haggerty, Grundy, etc.
Most were about $500-$600 a year.
Grundy was less than $400
FYI

Not just shopping just price but can I drive it?...and not just to a car show. That kind of info.
Miles per year etc.
This was based on 25,000 stated value and about 3000 miles per year (I wanted a little more just in case)
and the same limits....

Grundy..$362 but very limited on driving
American Collectors Ins...$490...also some limits on driving and NO autocross
Chubb Collector car Ins...$647
J.C. Taylor...$580
Haggerty... $540
Condon Skelly...$406...also very limited on driving
LeLand West....$381...also very limited on driving
Hea----Classic...$455....can use it up to 6,000 miles year...ding ding...we have a winner

These are prices per year and NEED to be garaged.

[MPI_duster]

Not just shopping just price but can I drive it?...and not just to a car show. That kind of info.
Miles per year etc.
This was based on 25,000 stated value and about 3000 miles per year (I wanted a little more just in case)
and the same limits....

Grundy..$362 but very limited on driving
American Collectors Ins...$490
Chubb Collector car Ins...$647
J.C. Taylor...$580
Haggerty... $540
Condon Skelly...$406
LeLand West....$381

These are prices per year and NEED to be garaged.

For perspective for everyone who hasn't gotten their car yet.

I insured mine through Allstate:
No mileage limit
They asked for "new" sale price $62,XXX
Not required to be garaged
CAN be driven to work/school/leisure/ect.
$628/half year

My buddy insured his Series 1 through Geico
Asked for "New" sale value $62,XXX
I don't know about mileage limit
I don't know about Garage Requirement
I don't know about Driving restrictions
$290/half

[uwilluz]

I personally will never use Allstate again. I had Shelby Lancer #071 insured through them. Had an SUV pull in front of me (also insured by Allstate) and totaled the Shelby. Fought them over 6 months and finally settled with them for more than SIX TIMES what they had initially offered me for it. Then I had to sue them/other driver to have my medical bills taken care of.

Ask DodgeZ and DodgeZDad about the Allstate issues, if they remember! It was a pain in the butt, but DodgeZ helped me out immensely (among others) in getting me a fair settlement.

IIRC, a few members switched carriers from Allstate because of the way they handled my issue/talked to the owners of collectors Shelby's, etc.

[Johnny]

I used to have Allstate. If you want a good long fight every time something happens, they are the ticket.
I switched and got insurance through AAA, American Commerce I believe is what I have now.

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Needs a little more than I saw before. Looks like they were getting ready to paint it.

[Johnny]

I bought an original Consulier 4-page sales brochure off ebay, it arrived today. :)

[Vigo]

Nice pics! I bet you could get a lift-off top panel for that thing made if you were motivated to.

Definitely looks like a project.. but i think i already found the first step: Remove all the bolts from that SuperAirTrapp muffler and throw whatever falls out of it in the trash!! :p

[Johnny]

Nice pics! I bet you could get a lift-off top panel for that thing made if you were motivated to.
Heard a Supra Targa would work. BUT I want to use a snap on top that can roll or fold up and store in
the car's very little trunk. A real targa top...there is no room in the car for it.

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[GLHNSLHT2]

they look more like Daytona handles to me.

[Vigo]

They're the same thing. :)

[Johnny]

Is there a differance? I have never owned a Daytona to get that personal with one.

[METZ]

I bought an original Consulier 4-page sales brochure off ebay, it arrived today. :)

That's cool, it would be sweet if you could get Mosler to autograph it.

[Johnny]

OH, good idea. I wonder if he is around the place any longer...or if he can't stand to see the cars go away.
HE SHOULD know how much us cheap a$$ turbo mopar guys will love these cars.

[wheming]

He might like the fact they are finally appreciated for what they are.

[Johnny]

The guy has more, he is selling them on ebay.

[GLHSHELBY]

wish he would have sold them for these kind of prices back when I called him 10 years ago.He was wanting 20-40k for them. I actually saw these at a dodge lot in Hendersonville for sale back in 1990-91.I many many trips there drooling over them. They actually had a t3 one on the lot available. The t3 one I saw was solid black with a white t2 one sitting beside it. I wanted one for years after that and saw one race at the one lap when volunteered at Road Atlanta (Dodgez was with me),I believe it was a white t2 one.

[168glhs1986]

Almost there

[168glhs1986]

Johhny. The Ken car was bought by a local women who bought 3 of them and paid asking price. I was told she will be flipping the #1 car and the Ken car and keeping the silver one.

[daver]

I stopped in at Mosler a year or so ago and looked at these cars. I don't think they were quite serious about selling them at that point, but they were very courteous and showed me around. Warren's son Jacob was running the place. It was pretty cool, they still had the T3 powered car (with a prototype Shelby T3) in the back which Jacob said wasn't for sale. Damn, wish I had known that this 'clearance sale' was going on earlier and could have gotten in on it. Not that I have any place to put another car right now, but oh well. Guess I'll have to pick one up on the secondary market in the future.

Edit: Also while I was down there Jacob said they had molds and a decent numbers of spares for stuff like body parts etc. They actually had a different engine cover on the race cars which ducted air over the stock Mopar intercooler which was kinda cool, very Toyota MR2 aftermarket snorkle-esk. Not sure what the plan is for the molds and spares etc. Hopefully they're be retained/saved by somebody.

[168glhs1986]

Why wouldn't you take your Consulier to jiffy lube to change the oil?45660

[168glhs1986]

Pics can't so these cars justice! They are freakin wide and awesome. They are finishing up 3 of them then selling. Warren was selling for $700k ish and they will probably sell for under 200k45662

[168glhs1986]

Someone should pic this car up. Complete shell just sitting outside. Probably get it for cheap45663

[168glhs1986]

Picked up this fresh built engine / trams 0 miles. Has build tag on it!45664

Curious to see if it has a diff.

[168glhs1986]

They have plenty of parts!!45665

[168glhs1986]

Slowe Speed and I will come up with a plan 45666for her soon. It would be nice for a nut and bolt restoration complete with paint and body work.

[Johnny]

Like the color...maybe I should paint mine something like that. Something to match the wheels on mine.
Looks nice!

[168glhs1986]

If I do restore her she will get painted this color like the m34566745669

M3 may be sold to finance the paint / body work. Would like to keep her thou

[168glhs1986]

Like the color...maybe I should paint mine something like that. Something to match the wheels on mine.
Looks nice!

You already have the blue interior.

[Reaper1]

I will caution all of you on these cars. I originally had Ideas of putting BIG power in one of them. While I was there looking at the cars, trying to decide which one I wanted, I was looking closely for issues that were "common" and likely due to design/manufacturing. Many of the series one cars looks to have stress cracks starting around the rear subframe mounting bolts. The design for the bolts to the body is questionable, because there isn't anything (washer, plate, ect) designed to distribute the load across the fiberglass. All of the Stresses will be focused on or immediately around the bolt shank/head.

If you do use CF and you plan on the bolts being in direct contact with it, you NEED to either have the CF covered with a ply of fiberglass wherever it may contact the bolt or any other metal that is not titanium. If you don't do this you WILL induce corrosion of the metal.


I used to have Allstate. If you want a good long fight every time something happens, they are the ticket.
I switched and got insurance through AAA, American Commerce I believe is what I have now.

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Needs a little more than I saw before. Looks like they were getting ready to paint it.

What are the gold looking things that are next to the brake lines coming off of the master cylinder? They kinda look like line locks.


they look more like Daytona handles to me.

They would be Daytona handles (though they are the same as vans and just about every other K-based car) as they tried to use as much from the Daytona as possible to build the car.


I stopped in at Mosler a year or so ago and looked at these cars. I don't think they were quite serious about selling them at that point, but they were very courteous and showed me around. Warren's son Jacob was running the place. It was pretty cool, they still had the T3 powered car (with a prototype Shelby T3) in the back which Jacob said wasn't for sale. Damn, wish I had known that this 'clearance sale' was going on earlier and could have gotten in on it. Not that I have any place to put another car right now, but oh well. Guess I'll have to pick one up on the secondary market in the future.

Edit: Also while I was down there Jacob said they had molds and a decent numbers of spares for stuff like body parts etc. They actually had a different engine cover on the race cars which ducted air over the stock Mopar intercooler which was kinda cool, very Toyota MR2 aftermarket snorkle-esk. Not sure what the plan is for the molds and spares etc. Hopefully they're be retained/saved by somebody.

Interesting that his son would be doing anything with the place. I saw an interview of him a LONG time ago at a car show where he had his 3rd gen (1997 style) Dakota with a custom body kit on it that was made by the Mosler company. Somehow they used the minivan taillights in an odd manner (kinda laying down) and IIRC it was blue. At that time in the interview he (Jacob) gave the impression that he pretty much knew jack about cars, much less performance, and really didn't care. Maybe things changed?

I'd certainly like to know what they do with the molds and such.

Also, for those that want to race these, there is such thing as track-day insurance. It's not all that expensive, either. NO insurance company that *I* know of will cover a car that is being used in competition, including auto-x.

[Rrider]

I wonder if the engine electronics are a year to year match with what was current in the Daytona. Or if they stuck with '87 stuff all the way.

[Johnny]

The electronics are 88 in the very few I have seen of the engine area's.

[JuXsA]

I wish I had the time to catch a flight down there to check out a car to possibly buy. Slap a super 60 turbo and tune on it and talk about the ride of your life :-D

[Johnny]

I think I bought the last complete car.

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If you look to the photo's left, you can see the computer....not 87 style.

[168glhs1986]

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[Johnny]

Speaking of this, is there a up-grade chip/program in the works?

[JuXsA]

Yeah, I figured so. I talked to the guy on Turbododge a day after he posted and got the phone# for the place. I am studying for the bar exam and I am absolutely horrible at standardized tests so I just can't risk taking the time off of studying to pick one up. Otherwise I would already have one parked in my drive way.

It seems like there were enough turbo dodge guys picking them up so I can at least live vicariously through you all reading the threads and looking at pictures :D

I vote for a new GTP subsection here at turbo-mopar :D

Also, that looks like a SMEC. I don't see why you couldn't use a FWDperformance calibration



I think I bought the last complete car.

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If you look to the photo's left, you can see the computer....not 87 style.

[Johnny]

Also, that looks like a SMEC. I don't see why you couldn't use a FWDperformance calibration

Thought that might be the case (or boost button) But was wondering if the weight of the car is taken into account on specific programs.

[168glhs1986]

I wish I had the time to catch a flight down there to check out a car to possibly buy. Slap a super 60 turbo and tune on it and talk about the ride of your life :-D

Your 3 weeks too late. They are all gone. Probably will pop up on eBay soon. Some buyers are looking at it from strictly an investment and have Zero interest in the cars for what they are. Some profit to be made but not over 50% I would imagine.

[JuXsA]

Your 3 weeks too late. They are all gone. Probably will pop up on eBay soon. Some buyers are looking at it from strictly an investment and have Zero interest in the cars for what they are. Some profit to be made but not over 50% I would imagine.

Yeah I heard they were all gone. I was thinking about flying down there 2 weeks ago when I first saw the thread on td.com but I am studying for the bar exam. I suck at standardized tests and can't risk taking the few days off to pick one up. If it wasn't for that I would already have one in my driveway with a calibration in it :D

I was actually looking at the blue one you picked up or the #1 red one

[168glhs1986]

^^ Is that the reason you don't own a Consulier? Because you were studying for an exam?

Could have done the deal in 10 min while never leaving your lounge chair and had it shipped to your front door.

[JuXsA]

^^ Is that the reason you don't own a Consulier? Because you were studying for an exam?

Could have done the deal in 10 min while never leaving your lounge chair and had it shipped to your front door.

if they were only a few grand then yeah I would have, but I wasn't going to drop 8k-12k on a car unseen :( I'm just not that brave

[168glhs1986]

75 yr oldish couple comes up to me at a gas station and asks me about the car. Ask if it was a kit car and I tell them a quick history about the Company.

This car is a damn attention magnet.

[Vigo]

First world problems! :p

[168glhs1986]

^^ yea I guess I need to embrace that and share the Mosler story with everyone.

Getting caught in a heavy rain storm on the road back to Md. I better get the water off before it starts to rust. Oh wait, it's composite and will never rust.

Man this car feels lighter than 2000 lbs.

[DodgeZdad]

I lived close by to the original warehouse and visited Mosler's shop before this car hit the road. He lived on Singer Island and probably was an investor in our propane carburetor system but I'm not sure. His house on Singer Island is in trust now and he lives on one of the Islands. I did see one of these car recently on a trailer in Spartanburg SC.

[ShelGame]

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Hmm, don't know that calibration. I'd be interested to see it...

[Johnny]

When someone gets a chance will they take photos of the suspension of your Consulier?
maybe on a lift or while the wheel is off changing to new tires.

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What is "Long Tail Version" on these?

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Click through the photos of this one...there are some good shots....
http://www.conceptcarz.com/view/photo/406315,17107/1988-Consulier-GTP_Photo.aspx#photo

[Rrider]

Nice, quality res pics of car #11. I'm assuming the ending digits of the VIN numbers do not reset every year.

I've noticed the windows differ from car to car. The ones on #11 look pretty clean. I like the way the frames are blacked out blending the windshield into the side windows.

I saw that hemmings web page saying car #28 was the first long tail. It looks like the tail goes more upwards towards the back compared with #11. That red/black is gorgeous imo. Love the light covers too.

http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/06/1990ConsulierGTP_01_700.jpg

[Vigo]

Nice pics! It's interesting, seeing a consulier sitting next to a delorean, to consider how much more 'super' the consulier was than the delorean in all performance aspects. Yet, you rarely hear a consulier mentioned among the ranks of 80s 'supercars'.

HOLY CRAP those light covers totally change the look of the front end! For the better!!!!

[Johnny]

HOLY CRAP those light covers totally change the look of the front end! For the better!!!!
AGREE, so who makes them? Or did rather. Or now...who will?

[Pat]

I was helping Mike unload his yesterday and said the same thing...get some headlight covers on it and it will sleek up the front end a ton.

[ShelGame]

According to the DDG, those cars were 204HP - http://www.thedodgegarage.com/consulier.html

So, that must be a good calibration. At least as far as a 'stock' 2-bar cal goes. I wonder if it's basically just a 2.2 MP cal?

[JuXsA]

Those head light covers really do make a world of difference!!!

[Johnny]

WHO on this forum can make something like the headlight covers?
I would think they would be paintable. AND no screws needed....not
sure how that would work. Doesnt look like there is any way to clip
them on. Velcro, but not really wanting to tape the one side to the paint.

[168glhs1986]

I was told the long til verion was for v8's only.

I know the Rapter in the showroom had its rear wheels extended aft to accomodate the v8.

[j4278h]

Yeah I heard they were all gone.


Don't worry, I fully expect 3/4 of the ones that sold in the last 2-3 weeks to pop up on fleabay, or some Flordia car auction house.

[Johnny]

I KNOW a guy that wants one if anyone knows one going for sale.

[MPI_duster]

What are the gold looking things that are next to the brake lines coming off of the master cylinder? They kinda look like line locks.

Part of the ABS system, which was optional on all of the sport models and standard on the LX cars.

[168glhs1986]

Don't worry, I fully expect 3/4 of the ones that sold in the last 2-3 weeks to pop up on fleabay, or some Flordia car auction house.

Good point. Maybe not 3/4 but I would guess half anyway.

Expect to pay 50% more than blowout pricing as well

[Johnny]

Wonder what would have happened if Mosler would have let these cars on the used car market instead of buying them back. Most people have never seen one or heard of them. If they were in the used car market, would some of us have had them years ago? Would the prices have jumped up?
Some would have gotten trashed but maybe most would have been in guys garages being loved and played with.
I guess the next few years will tell.....

[Oggie Fisher]

There was a white and black one that sold through a dealer in CT a few years back, but no price. There was a red and black one that crossed an auction block in FL in 2011. The anticipated price was $25-30 but the high bid was $17. The info is on-line. He's been advertising these cars for sale since late 2011. I assume that given the amount that just moved not many were sold prior to the recent fire sale. They are an acquired taste, and I don't think the turbocharged Dodge 2.2 under hood is much of a positive to those who don't frequent this forum. I guess we'll see in a few weeks when they start popping up for sale in the secondary market. Hopefully most wound up in the hands of those who will appreciate them.

[168glhs1986]

17k for that car and it was pretty nice! I would say much better than any of the cars I saw down there with the exception of the car the employees were driving.

No one respects the Chrylser 2.2 motor but yet it kicks asses everywhere it goes!

[OmniLuvr]

so is there still incomplete ones for sale? this thread is crazy

id vote for johnny to paint his the color of his wheels...

[168glhs1986]

so is there still incomplete ones for sale? this thread is crazy

id vote for johnny to paint his the color of his wheels...

See thread #199 for some pics of cars piled on each other. Parts cars are in rough shape. Most kept outside with a few kept inside. I know some parts cars inside have been sold already thou.

[Johnny]

so is there still incomplete ones for sale?
Call and ask! Mike @ 303-549-3440 - cell561-863-2800 - office

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Anyone look to see if larger tires/wheels will fit yet?

[168glhs1986]

Call and ask! Mike @ 303-549-3440 - cell561-863-2800 - office

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Anyone look to see if larger tires/wheels will fit yet?

Slow down Johnny, lol. I just got the car back from Florida after a 3000 mile drive in 5 days. When I get a change I'll take wheels off to see what's going on under there. Probably bolt some K1's on just to see how it looks.

[Johnny]

Slow down Johnny, lol.

:) Adrenaline is still flowing from me buying mine, and I am so "I want to get the car NOW". But have to wait.
Waiting it seams is not my strong suite when it comes to this car.

[168glhs1986]

:) Adrenaline is still flowing from me buying mine, and I am so "I want to get the car NOW". But have to wait.
Waiting it seams is not my strong suite when it comes to this car.

haha, I know the feeling. It's all I could think about for the past 2 weeks. I even cut SDAC short because I wanted it now! And I have it now and it sits in my warehouse....where it awaits its future.

We'll get it mechanically sound in it's stock configuration and drive it for a while. Then strengthen the weak spots (if any). I'm not sure what road this car will take me down. I'm considering keeping it stock and original. Rock chips, wavy fiberglass etc... I modified the GLHS but this is different with probably a bunch less than 100 cars ever produced, it's truly a piece of automotive / Chrysler history.

I don't know why everyone says its such an ugly car. Its a sweet looking ride.

[GLHNSLHT2]

Did you not read the brochure you bought off ebay?? The sport model lists 245/45VR16's on a 9.5" wide rim for the rear. Front is 225/50's on a 8.5" wide tire.

The LX's had a 20mm less width on 7" wheels all around.

[MPI_duster]

Anyone look to see if larger tires/wheels will fit yet?

Measured mine the other day, you can go wider, total fender depth is ~11" on the rear from the sidewall face to ~3/8" from the inner fender. But you can't go much taller clearance in the front of the rear tires is minimal. My car has factory height 225 50 16s all the way around. Only have ~1" forward of the tire before getting into the fender. Haven't measured the fronts yet.

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Did you not read the brochure you bought off ebay?? The sport model lists 245/45VR16's on a 9.5" wide rim for the rear. Front is 225/50's on a 8.5" wide tire.

The LX's had a 20mm less width on 7" wheels all around.

245 45 16s are discontinued in everything but $200+/tire track tires. =( been looking for some for 2 weeks now. For now I'm settling with BFG G-Force Sport Comp 2's, going to try 245 50 16 on the rear and 225 50 16 on the front.

[Johnny]

Did you not read the brochure you bought off ebay?? The sport model lists 245/45VR16's on a 9.5" wide rim for the rear. Front is 225/50's on a 8.5" wide tire.

The LX's had a 20mm less width on 7" wheels all around.

Guess not, thanks! HEY, the brochure I have lists nothing about tires.
My car has 15's and many do. Seems much better to have the 16's.
But these are the wheels I have and will need to put new tires on these wheels.

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The other 2-page spread one I got says this....
Ultra high performance Yokohama A008R tires, size 205&225/50VR-15, mounted on light alloy 15" x 6" wheels.

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225 seems wide for a 6" wheel.

[cordes]

Guess not, thanks! HEY, the brochure I have lists nothing about tires.
My car has 15's and many do. Seems much better to have the 16's.
But these are the wheels I have and will need to put new tires on these wheels.

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The other 2-page spread one I got says this....
Ultra high performance Yokohama A008R tires, size 205&225/50VR-15, mounted on light alloy 15" x 6" wheels.

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225 seems wide for a 6" wheel.

I think those are the same tires which I have on my omni. They are awesome!

[Vigo]

245 45 16s are discontinued in everything but $200+/tire track tires. =( been looking for some for 2 weeks now. For now I'm settling with BFG G-Force Sport Comp 2's, going to try 245 50 16 on the rear and 225 50 16 on the front.

You can still get that in a Nexen N3000 and a Primewell PZ900 last time i checked, and both are fairly cheap.