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MILKCARTON
02-03-2013, 06:56 PM
I usually always only go from a dig, but I got called out by a 650 fwhp honda so we did a roll from 45, I ran it up till I topped out in drive and he shoots pass me pretty good, part of the deal of the race is I had to let him anti-lag for 3 seconds before we took off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVJK4wBiIPE

mopardad1
02-05-2013, 07:26 PM
Are you crazy? What time of day are you doing that?

MILKCARTON
02-05-2013, 08:27 PM
About 1:30 in the morning, I25 and garden of the gods, heading south, there had to be 40 cars behind us blocking traffic :-)


Everyone on here is mad at me, almost 60 people viewed thread and your the first to post in it, oh well......

Reaper1
02-05-2013, 09:46 PM
Been there, done that with the highway roll racing. I quit for the most part simply because people are idiots.

Did you take the race because he called you out, or because you just wanted to see how you stacked up against a 650hp Honda? If it were me, I would have said HELL NO! The Honda weighs less, has more power, and doesn't run out of revs. Oh, and what's up with running out of gear? What transmission, FD, tire size, and redline are you running?

MILKCARTON
02-05-2013, 11:33 PM
cars are almost exactly the same weight, 2200 ish, 2.5 auto small housing 50 trim with 46 hot side,3.0 fd 225 50 15 drag radials, thing makes no power over 5400, took the race because nobody else would that night, plus all the people from his shop and the tuner were there

Vigo
02-06-2013, 12:19 AM
Gearing out with that setup is no surprise, it was probably way past peak power at 120mph in 3rd. Oh well, most races are over by 120 one way or another.

I for one give no shits about highway roll racing. Imo its the safest form of racing that doesnt involve a dragstrip, and even then i have seen more crazy ---- happen at dragstrips than roll races. It's basically the only kind of racing i do (my cars are all 'slow', though). I dont even know how to launch most of my cars worth a crap because it just never comes up. lol

Ubmbass
02-06-2013, 12:37 AM
Wait, I'm having a little trouble believing you're out of gear at 120.. I am at just about 6500 128 in third and I'm running a 3.77 gear set. Seems fishy.

Force Fed Mopar
02-06-2013, 01:46 AM
He ran out of rpms, he said it doesn't pull past 5400 very hard. Neither does my stockish 2.5. I'll race one even if I know I'll lose, just to see how close I can hang.

MILKCARTON
02-06-2013, 12:10 PM
My car made 304 whp/364 tq with this setup, power falls off a cliff after 5400, it will rev higher but I see no reason to rev it higher, my car is set up for 1/4 mile so if its done at 120 that is perfect, if it runs 115 or so with this small turbo then thats perfect

RoadWarrior222
02-06-2013, 02:50 PM
A message from Singapore, they're ready to take Colorado on at this "roll racing" thing... http://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2009/11/13/formula-1-car-made-out-of-bread/

thedon809
02-06-2013, 06:54 PM
Your 413 have lockup?

MILKCARTON
02-06-2013, 07:51 PM
No, sure dont,always wanted to try one in a tubo car, the singapore car looks cool...and delicious!

thedon809
02-06-2013, 08:16 PM
with a lock up it should drop a few hundred RPM.

MILKCARTON
02-06-2013, 08:30 PM
Wait, I'm having a little trouble believing you're out of gear at 120.. I am at just about 6500 128 in third and I'm running a 3.77 gear set. Seems fishy.


what sounds fishy?

RoadWarrior222
02-06-2013, 08:58 PM
My 3.0 mini is spinning about 2700 locked up at 60mph, but that's more like 3000 with no lockup, same gearset/final in the Turbo minis and bigger cars, would make for 6000RPM at 120mph. Lockup, manually locked up of course, because it would drop out with full pedal, might take you over 130.

---------- Post added at 07:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:53 PM ----------

Though also I think you're really running into a wall of air with a P-body, the aero sucks muchly, the cD is something like .47 (IIRC) so in cD*A terms you might have the same total resistance as a minivan (cD= .42) CS/DC body kits might have improved things a tad.

Force Fed Mopar
02-06-2013, 09:59 PM
My car made 304 whp/364 tq with this setup, power falls off a cliff after 5400, it will rev higher but I see no reason to rev it higher, my car is set up for 1/4 mile so if its done at 120 that is perfect, if it runs 115 or so with this small turbo then thats perfect

What exactly is your setup? Stock head and cam?

turbovanmanČ
02-06-2013, 10:09 PM
Nice semi kill, :nod:


with a lock up it should drop a few hundred RPM.

More than that, at full throttle, it can be as much as 1000-1200 rpm.

MILKCARTON
02-06-2013, 10:56 PM
completely stock long block except for tbi cam and balance shaft delete

Force Fed Mopar
02-06-2013, 11:13 PM
Nice, so the same as mine basically, except I have Wiseco pistons and a stock turbo cam, ported exhaust mani and stock turbo. How much boost you running? I've been guessing my whp to be at around the 260 range on 18ish psi and 93 oct.

thedon809
02-06-2013, 11:14 PM
More than that, at full throttle, it can be as much as 1000-1200 rpm.Didn't know it was that much. I just knew it dropped a decent bit. My built 413 was non lockup.

Vigo
02-06-2013, 11:26 PM
Well most people have no way to find the difference between locked and unlocked at WOT/full boost because the computer wont let you do WOT in lockup. You have to be running a switch to find that number.

I dont see any issue with the gearing thing.. If you dont want to go past 5500rpm on 225/50/15 on 3.02fd trans that all adds up to me.. youd want to get out of it somewhere around 120. Doesnt mean you HAVE to but nobody likes to run a motor out of its comfort zone for long periods. When im going 100+ in my DD neon i shift 'early' into 5th just because i dont like hanging out at 6k+ so long to actually 'gear out' in 4th. It's just unnerving and pointless.

MILKCARTON
02-07-2013, 01:12 AM
Nice, so the same as mine basically, except I have Wiseco pistons and a stock turbo cam, ported exhaust mani and stock turbo. How much boost you running? I've been guessing my whp to be at around the 260 range on 18ish psi and 93 oct.

26 psi on E85 and a 330cc meth kit


Exactly, it will live for a long time not reving it too high

turbovanmanČ
02-07-2013, 03:06 AM
Didn't know it was that much. I just knew it dropped a decent bit. My built 413 was non lockup.

Before you hit stall, it slips quite a bit, its actually surprising how much, but again, that all depends on what converter you have.


Well most people have no way to find the difference between locked and unlocked at WOT/full boost because the computer wont let you do WOT in lockup. You have to be running a switch to find that number.



I do, that's why I know, :eyebrows:

John B
02-07-2013, 07:40 AM
Sounds like fun, but with my luck I'd end up on Fox News with a helicopter chasing me...

Reaper1
02-07-2013, 10:47 PM
My 3.0 mini is spinning about 2700 locked up at 60mph, but that's more like 3000 with no lockup, same gearset/final in the Turbo minis and bigger cars, would make for 6000RPM at 120mph. Lockup, manually locked up of course, because it would drop out with full pedal, might take you over 130.

---------- Post added at 07:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:53 PM ----------

Though also I think you're really running into a wall of air with a P-body, the aero sucks muchly, the cD is something like .47 (IIRC) so in cD*A terms you might have the same total resistance as a minivan (cD= .42) CS/DC body kits might have improved things a tad.

The stock '87 CSX was supposed to top out at 137mph IIRC.

Vigo
02-07-2013, 11:33 PM
Yeah, i figure the top speed on most turbo dodges is kinda scary if you consider a CSX did 137 with 170hp and a spirit r/t did 145 ish with 220hp and srt-4 neons go 155 with only a little more than that.. By that logic any decently modded up turbo dodge has enough power to go way faster than is probably safe! Ive topped out nearly every car ive ever owned.. EXCEPT for all my turbo cars. I havent topped out a single one of them. But any turbo dodge with a 3.02 auto trans, i would get out of it just because i didnt want to listen to the motor zinging up for that long. All the 5spd cars are geared to go 150-200 depending on tire size and rpm.

thedon809
02-08-2013, 12:12 AM
Had my omni doing 135 with the windows down. Speedo said I was doing only 100. Didn't learn this till the next day when my buddy said I flew by him and he was doing 110.

black86glhs
02-08-2013, 05:55 AM
I like it. I used to go out on I77 heading north towards cleveland and bump the speed limiter on my Caprice. No one else around.
I like that yours will live a nice long time while the honda will be replacing parts every week or two. :thumb:

RoadWarrior222
02-08-2013, 08:15 AM
Ive topped out nearly every car ive ever owned.. EXCEPT for all my turbo cars. I used to top mine out back in the day when I had cars that had ~100mph top speeds, like the official top speed was 97mph, and I'd tinker until I could go 105 :D

MILKCARTON
02-08-2013, 10:22 AM
I like it. I used to go out on I77 heading north towards cleveland and bump the speed limiter on my Caprice. No one else around.
I like that yours will live a nice long time while the honda will be replacing parts every week or two. :thumb:


Exactly, this is like the 5th "setup" they have put in this car.......which means rebuild most likely

Rrider
02-08-2013, 01:00 PM
..in mexico.

Force Fed Mopar
02-08-2013, 09:58 PM
..in mexico.

Nobody races in Mexico anymore, they all go to Canada now...

Vigo
02-08-2013, 10:23 PM
I used to top mine out back in the day when I had cars that had ~100mph top speeds, like the official top speed was 97mph, and I'd tinker until I could go 105

When i had my aries as a tbi i modded it up from ~90-95 top speed to 115. I have no idea what it would do now as a turbo.

RoadWarrior222
02-08-2013, 11:31 PM
Nobody races in Mexico anymore, they all go to Canada now...Yah, Nunavut is pretty lax on it.

MILKCARTON
02-11-2013, 12:41 PM
I dynoed my shadow again, this time we froze the fmic with nitrous and it made 311 fwhp and 369 tq, so it picked up 7 hp and almost 6 tq

Ubmbass
02-11-2013, 11:39 PM
That's a lot of HP..

MILKCARTON
02-12-2013, 12:26 AM
That's a lot of HP..

Yea...not really but in a light car its pretty good

Force Fed Mopar
02-12-2013, 02:46 AM
Nice, I need to get some big injectors and rock some E85 again...I'm gonna finish out my AWIC system properly, re-do my head gasket properly again, get my tune reset again and go dyno mine on 93 first.

MILKCARTON
02-12-2013, 10:07 AM
I only have +40's for now, which are too small without the meth kit

Vigo
02-12-2013, 09:45 PM
That's a lot of HP..

It kind of is for a stock head. Most people on this forum dont get that far before they start doing things to the head. I think the highest stock head HP ive heard of was not that much higher than this.

Ubmbass
02-13-2013, 12:46 AM
I'll sell you some big injectors, cheap!

MILKCARTON
02-13-2013, 01:19 AM
I have two different size big injectors, waiting till I change my set up to put a set in

Force Fed Mopar
02-13-2013, 10:51 AM
I'll sell you some big injectors, cheap!

How cheap? :)

mopardad1
02-13-2013, 07:09 PM
What about Bradley road east toward SAFB, pretty dark and the only thing to hit are antelope.

About 1:30 in the morning, I25 and garden of the gods, heading south, there had to be 40 cars behind us blocking traffic :-)


Everyone on here is mad at me, almost 60 people viewed thread and your the first to post in it, oh well......

Ubmbass
02-13-2013, 07:31 PM
How cheap? :)

1600 cc low impedance bosch style for 200 a set. They are practically new, they might have 400 miles on them. I paid 450 for them new

MILKCARTON
02-13-2013, 07:48 PM
What about Bradley road east toward SAFB, pretty dark and the only thing to hit are antelope.


there and squirrel creek :-)

Vigo
02-14-2013, 12:51 AM
Wow, thats cheap for those injectors..

Force Fed Mopar
02-14-2013, 06:16 PM
1600 cc low impedance bosch style for 200 a set. They are practically new, they might have 400 miles on them. I paid 450 for them new

Hmm, I may have to hit you up for those. I'll PM you when I'm ready.

Ubmbass
02-14-2013, 11:50 PM
Sounds good, let me know.