2003 neon 4 speed to 3 speed

[cj011]

I will more than likely be on transmission #3 for my 2003 neon. I don't race the car and I'm tired of the POS transmission. Can any of you please shed some light at the how feasible it would be to drop in the 1st gen 3 speed autohttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=398778#) or 2000-2001 into a 2003 neon? What type of electrical work will have to be done to the ECU since the 3 speed in not electronically controlled(can it be run with the auto wiring unplugged)?

Yes I am aware of the gearing differences and I am after a trans that I will have less problems with.

thanks for anyone who post.

[shackwrrr]

00-02 throttle body, transmission, cables, and possibly shifter. Then use an 03 5 speed computer.

[contraption22]

Have you considered selling your Neon and buying one with a 3 speed?

[cj011]

Thanks for the info. I wish I could but no way the wife will let it happen since the car is in great shape except for the trans issues. She has already let me run amok with a 79 cressida/2jz project. I honestly can't wait until our neon gets higher milage so I can start messing with it.


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[ShadowFromHell]

Why not do a 5 speed swap? Better MPG, more fun to drive and no more auto issues.

[135sohc]

Not to be 'that person' saying it but there is something going very wrong if you keep burning up transmissions in a relatively light and low powered car. Changing out parts without figuring out why they are repeatedly going bad is only going to continue the cycle of failure IMO. Wrong fluid, leaking oil cooler allowing engine coolant to get into the transmission and/or a clogged or damaged cooler not keeping fluid at the optimal temperature are the biggest things that kill the ultradrive transmission. As horrible a reputation that transmission has its really not that bad and by 2003 most of the bugs were worked out.

just my perspective on things.

[thedon809]

Yeah the 4 speed was pretty decent in the cars during the later years. Minivans were the ones tearing them up.

[Big_P]

Even then, Chrysler did well with the 4 speed in later years. We service a fleet of 4th gen Caravans and we don't see too many with transmission issues.

Do they emissions test in your area? If you put a 3 speed in there, you'll probably have a check engine light. In RI that's an automatic fail for inspection and there's no way around it.
If you put in an 03 Neon 5 speed computer, the VIN from the computer will not match the car and you'll still fail inspection.

[cj011]

thanks for the info everyone. I dodged a major bullet. Luckily I caught things before it got ugly. Apparently when the transmission computer sees that when the mph doesn't match what gear you are in, it will automatically go in limp mode.... meaning it won't go past 2nd gear. Yes it's pretty straight forward to change the output sensor, but I figured I may as well take it to the trans shop that replaced the trans previously. We drove around and the mechanic had a snap on code reader that could read all the various sensor in real time while driving. At the end of the day it was only the output sensor, they drove the car around enough so it could relearn itself, and I didn't burn out any clutches by driving it in limp mode for a few miles.

Big_P, what if you have a different engine than what came in the car? How does RI stand on aftermarket ecus? Luckily in Ohio I don't have safety inspections, just yearly registration, and no emission test. After living in a state that any modifications required a reconstruction permit, I was shocked when I found out.

[Big_P]

Aftermarket ECU's are okay as far as I know, as long as the VIN is in it and the Monitors get ready.

[A.J.]

I haven't heard of an aftermarket ECU that's OBD II compliant. If there is one or a way to make it so I'd like to hear it.

A.J.

[Big_P]

By aftermarket I thought he meant a NAPA reman.... unless I am mistaken and he meant otherwise.

[INVUJerry]

In the NGC neons after you swap a computer you can get it towed to the dealer and have them use the DRB3 tool to flash your VIN into the ecu so it will match, and not piss of the SKIM module so it will start.