Its official, we are screwed for head gaskets!

[turbovanman²]

Have my van apart, called the local dealer, the 005 is no longer a good number, the 5281065 is on national back order, he tried a locator and no one showed it and it showed a minus number, which isn't good, then had him look it up by application, it changes to the 65 number, :banghead: He did say the 006 is still a good number and a few of those are still in the system, :censored:

[tryingbe]

http://www.partsvoice.com


Maybe I should buy all 5 of the P4452006 gasket left in Tempe Dodge.

[turbovanman²]

The 006 needs to be modded to fit T1 and TBI, not a big deal if you don't mind doing that. I have a 006 here, going to mod that for my TIII.

[135sohc]

Their not seeing the demand so things get dropped. Call Mopar directly on monday 1-888-528-HEMI and ask them what the deal is. If theres a magic # of backorders required before they re-release something ask them and report back.

[turbovanman²]

Will do.

Can't see how they can say that, I must have ordered/used a 100 over the years for me and others, plus how many on this and TD? 1000's of these cars/vans around, doesn't make sense, :(

[Force Fed Mopar]

(booming echoing voice) Fel-Pro (/booming echoing voice)

[martabo]

I know im not on the 300+hp list, but with the few turbo cars and many carb cars ive had, ive never had an issue with a felpro gasket....

[tryingbe]

Will do.

Can't see how they can say that, I must have ordered/used a 100 over the years for me and others, plus how many on this and TD? 1000's of these cars/vans around, doesn't make sense, :(

1000's of TD/TM in both Canada/US isn't enough volume. I see more 80's Dodge in junkyard than on the road, but even then, numbers are way down from what they used to be.


http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?62240-How-many-TM-have-you-seen-today&highlight=

[turbovanman²]

(booming echoing voice) Fel-Pro (/booming echoing voice)

Over my dead body, lol.

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1000's of TD/TM in both Canada/US isn't enough volume. I see more 80's Dodge in junkyard than on the road, but even then, numbers are way down from what they used to be.


http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?62240-How-many-TM-have-you-seen-today&highlight=

There are still 1000's running around the world, turbo and tbi.

[Khajjathefang]

Never had problems with felpro

[RoadWarrior222]

Remind them there's still a few cars with original owners with lifetime powertrain warranties, what are they gonna do, buy 'em a new Dart.

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I know im not on the 300+hp list, but with the few turbo cars and many carb cars ive had, ive never had an issue with a felpro gasket....Well the headgasket was fine for my Escort but their valvecover gasket and cam seal sucked.

[Johnny]

I just bought 20 of them.
This is talked about in another thread.

[turbovanman²]

I just bought 20 of them.
This is talked about in another thread.

They were still available at that time, now they are not. :censored:

[cordes]

Remind them there's still a few cars with original owners with lifetime powertrain warranties, what are they gonna do, buy 'em a new Dart.

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Well the headgasket was fine for my Escort but their valvecover gasket and cam seal sucked.

I thought those were thrown out with the bailout?

[Johnny]

I have three head gaskets here. I took the numbers off of all three and shot photos...and posted them. Now I cant find where.

[contraption22]

Remind them there's still a few cars with original owners with lifetime powertrain warranties, what are they gonna do, buy 'em a new Dart.

No, they'll probably just use OE replacement gaskets. I think we are more concerned about the cancellation of aftermarket performance gaskets.

My Cometic works fine.

[turbovanman²]

No, they'll probably just use OE replacement gaskets. I think we are more concerned about the cancellation of aftermarket performance gaskets.

My Cometic works fine.

You didn't read the first post, NO MORE replacement gaskets either, that is part number 5281065.

Cometics are great if you don't mind spending $100+, not everyone needs one to wants to spend that kind of money.

[contraption22]

Cometics are great if you don't mind spending $100+, not everyone needs one to wants to spend that kind of money.

Ahh missed that part. OH well. ROL and Felpro will fill the gaps for OE replacement.

[turbovanman²]

Ahh missed that part. OH well. ROL and Felpro will fill the gaps for OE replacement.

Yuck, :(

[Johnny]

Ahh missed that part. OH well. ROL and Felpro will fill the gaps for OE replacement.


Fail-Blow....always!

[ShelGame]

What's this? - http://www.ebay.com/itm/290759429576?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[turbovanman²]

I just ordered 12 for myself, woot!!!!!!

http://www.monicattichrysler.com

[Johnny]

I just ordered 12 for myself, woot!!!!!!

http://www.monicattichrysler.com (http://www.monicattichrysler.com/)

Thats where I got mine...they will arrive but will not be 005.
They are these....

[turbo84voyager]

I am a believer in the MP gaskets and use them on all of my vehicles but I was impressed with the ROL gasket. It looked almost identical to the MP gasket. I installed these on several cars including a TBI spirit I had and never had a problem. I blew a Felpro in 5K miles. They are terrible. I have a friend that insists on Felpro's even though he must have replaced the HG on his TBI shadow 3 or 4 times already.

[turbovanman²]

Thats where I got mine...they will arrive but will not be 005.
They are these....

That's the older superceded number, close enough. :nod:



I am a believer in the MP gaskets and use them on all of my vehicles but I was impressed with the ROL gasket. It looked almost identical to the MP gasket. I installed these on several cars including a TBI spirit I had and never had a problem. I blew a Felpro in 5K miles. They are terrible. I have a friend that insists on Felpro's even though he must have replaced the HG on his TBI shadow 3 or 4 times already.

Ditto, but some swear by Felpro, Rob!! :p

I'll check out the ROL after I use up these, lol. I got them for $19.29 each.

[tryingbe]

Thats where I got mine...they will arrive but will not be 005.
They are these....

For cross drill heads or non cross drill?

[135sohc]

You guys are onto my secret... the 5281064 is like the 006 but only has the cross drilled holes on the front side of the cylinders vs the 006 having them on both.

[roachjuice]

I ran a fel pro at 25psi. Broke a piston before a head gasket. I'm gonna run a fel pro on the hybrid.

[Force Fed Mopar]

I am beating on the FelPro'd 2.5 in my Lebaron every day, 22psi spikes on 93 oct, it has seen a lot of knock with me trying to figure out timing and knock thresholds and such. Hasn't failed me yet. Course it could blow today and make me look crazy ;)

[BadFastGTC]

Felpro has improved their gasket with the fire ring metal extending into the coolant passages at the rear corners where people had issues in the past.

[turbovanman²]

The problem still remains though, its graphite, it doesn't take much abuse for it to push out. Yes they are improved but until they change the rest of it, its still a sub par replacement.

[R/T]

Felpro has improved their gasket with the fire ring metal extending into the coolant passages at the rear corners where people had issues in the past.

Tru Dat!!!

Been using FP's no problems....

What is a ROL???

[Force Fed Mopar]

If you have a good tune, you will not have a problem with a Felpro...

[martabo]

What is a ROL???


Just like a felpro, but a different name.

[tryingbe]

I don't have a problem with the Fel Pro on my o-ring block, probably have 9000 miles on it now, in AZ summer too.

[4 l-bodies]

That's the older superceded number, close enough. :nod:




Ditto, but some swear by Felpro, Rob!! :p

I'll check out the ROL after I use up these, lol. I got them for $19.29 each.

Simon, That link you posted has them listed for $38.87 each?

[turbovanman²]

Simon, That link you posted has them listed for $38.87 each?

Just checked, yeah, what a bunch of aholes, they jacked the price, :censored:

[black86glhs]

Found them at this website. $26.49

http://www.factorymoparparts.com/5281064.html

[ajakeski]

Found them at this website. $26.49

http://www.factorymoparparts.com/5281064.html

I bought a bunch from these guy last year. They were $8 cheaper too.

[contraption22]

All Chrysler 2.2/2.5 head gasket numbers have been superseded to this.

41121

[roachjuice]

All Chryler 2.2/2.5 head gasket numbers have been superseded to this.

41121

That works. Lol

[RoadWarrior222]

All Chrysler 2.2/2.5 head gasket numbers have been superseded to this.

41121Heh, what about that "We replaced all the gaskets with XYZGoop and drove it 50,000 miles (But we didn't say anything about turning it off and letting it heat cycle)" type stuff.

[MtnDewJoe]

Hi everyone-

I'm replacing a cylinder head on a 2.2 right now due to a valve problem (as a side project for the last few weeks) and came across this thread when I realized that I couldn't get the Mopar head gasket that I'd had good success with in the past. I was unsuccessful at tracking down a Mopar performance gasket, so I purchased both a FelPro gasket and also an ROL gasket, as neither was terribly expensive and I wanted to compare them side by side. Based on visuals, below are my impressions of each.

The ROL HG32980 gasket had a red silicone-type sealant bead around the passages similar to the Mopar gasket. The gasket was also "plumped" around all of the passage holes for a tighter seal, which I liked. What I didn't like about the ROL was that the surface material reminded me of the old Victor Reinz gasket that I used many years ago: a rather bare loose-looking graphite. Having just spent a lot of effort scraping blotches of graphite off the block surface, this struck me as a downside. The old Mopar gasket had a more "glazed" non-stick type appearance than this bare-looking graphite.

The Fel-Pro "PermaTorque" gasket, by comparison, did not have the sealant bead nor was it plumped around the passage holes, and these were downsides to me. It was very uniform in thickness. The surface appeared more dense and glossy and it has the blue printing across it. The best feature, I thought, was that there was extra metal reinforcement along the triangular passages at the rear corners (as discussed earlier in this thread), similar to the metal rings around the cylinder holes.

These are just my visual impressions. Both appeared to be decent quality gaskets. I wound up deciding to install the Fel-Pro because my biggest worry was the rear corners.. If I wasn't working with a brand new cylinder head and super-clean block surface, I might have chosen to install the ROL because it looked like it would conform and seal better around the passages.

Hopefully someone will find this useful, as I definitely found the rest of this thread helpful. Sorry to bump an old thread, but it was a good one.

Joe

[Ondonti]

Isn't there still a huge stockpile of old Felpro headgaskets out there that are different than the newer stock?

[cordes]

Nice first post. Welcome to the site.

[turbovanman²]

The newer Fel Pro's are still junk. Funny, I just told someone in another thread to get an ROL gasket.

[Khajjathefang]

I thought ROL was out of business? Felpro works fine for me with liberal addition of copper spray

[Johnny]

ROL had a booth at SEMA so I think they will be around a while.

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What is EVERYONE went to the dealer and ordered a new Mopar head gasket that they say is on back order.
You think they would make them if they had that many orders.

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I bought 15 back when they were available so I have enough to last me.......

[tryingbe]

Isn't there still a huge stockpile of old Felpro headgaskets out there that are different than the newer stock?

In people's distance memory.

I haven't seen anyone that got a old style FelPro head gasket, except what came off an old car.

http://www.thelostartof.net/tryingbe/dodge/headgasket/stock.jpg

[supercrackerbox]

What is EVERYONE went to the dealer and ordered a new Mopar head gasket that they say is on back order.
You think they would make them if they had that many orders...

I'm in. Set a date and we'll all march on our local dealerships!

[shadow88]

If Chrysler didn't do anything for gen 2 neon owners looking for a k- frame, don't expect much for a bunch of old cars like ours.

the gen 2 k - frames have been discontinued for almost 10 years now.

[A.J.]

I guess this settles it, you guys are just going to have to convert to a 2.4, plenty of head gaskets available.

[Xtrempickup]

time to get back in on my initial plans for a group buy guys

[BadAssPerformance]

AFAIK Cometic still makes HG's for 2.2L/2.5L

[Johnny]

AFAIK Cometic still makes HG's for 2.2L/2.5L

These are the best, just spendy.

[RattFink]

How much is the cometic? It's probably cheaper to just buy that rather than do multiple hg jobs.

[turismolover22]

Its around 100. But then facor in its best to purchase studs as well (100) and have your block and head remilled to their roughness spec, which is a lot smotther than what the other gaskets will accept. Bonus is that its all reuseable.

[RoadWarrior222]

Ain't the blocks pretty durn smooth from factory?

[A.J.]

Ain't the blocks pretty durn smooth from factory?

It's also the flatness. They're not as forgivable if the deck or head is warped.

[135sohc]

Ain't the blocks pretty durn smooth from factory?

Not really. Add 20 years of wear and tear and head gasket replacements of questionable installation quality (using a buzz wheel to get it clean…) who's to say how good things really are. One reason why the OEM composite head gasket was such a good one. Its very tolerant of crappy/less than ideal installation.

[RoadWarrior222]

Yah, definitely needs checking, just don't see that every single cometic install requires yanking the block to get machined. Head should be... (Unless it came off here, then I'd prolly use my hand lap rig, since it seemed to work fine on Escort head :D ...)

[contraption22]

I've run the cometic with no special machining. No issues. here.

[turbovanman²]

You don't need studs with a Cometic. I had crappy luck with them leaking on my 8 valve but are fine on my TIII.

[Xtrempickup]

Fine on my TIIIs the 3 times ive used them, no special machining on the block or head. 2 with bolts, 1 with studs

[Chris W]

While we were at SEMA last week we stopped by our head gasket vendors booth. I looked through his display samples to find the one closest to or MP versions in materials and construction. He said the red adhesive can be added in other areas exactly like the 006. He's anxious to get started but we need pre-orders first. We will receive test pieces which we can run on a few Hi Boost cars. He knows we won't commit unless they are constructed per our specs and will withstand the most extreme conditions.

52055

Chris-TU

[turbovanman²]

Need the 005, not the 006.

[Chris W]

Need the 005, not the 006.

We chose that head gasket because you can make a 005 with a 006 but not the other way around.

Chris-TU

[onerippinturbo2]

well, whats the ball park$$ for the preordering of the 006 headgaskets then?

[Chris W]

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?76059-Should-TU-reproduce-005-and-006-style-MP-head-gaskets&p=1056641&highlight=#post1056641

[turbovanman²]

Alright then, :p