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8valves
07-09-2012, 07:35 PM
I know it's not a Mopar, but if it pays... haha! This is a clients 1963 Impala with an LQ4 (6.0L Iron block LS) swap with a built 4L65E trans. It's a cool cruiser that's on bag's and 20's, and seeing as he's a big turbo guy having owned three different Nissan Skylines and a TT G35, this next step was natural. The goal of the project is purely to blow people's minds at car shows and make cool noises while cruising. It'll be incredibly fast spooling with such an undersized turbo combo, but that's half the fun of it. :)

I'll update this with more pictures (and ones from a real camera, not my phone) as it progresses. Note the modified Kwik Performance "hot rod" AC/ALT/PS brackets to clear the hood and make room for the headers. Still need to build the intake manifold, intercooler setup, and lay in a new wiring harness to get rid of the mess the person made that put the swap in the chassis. And the fuel system, and tucking a 4" exhaust so it can ride laid out. Enjoy!

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-07164110.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-08160245.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-08180503.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-04171155.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-08183517.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-08183655.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-04172042.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-08182417.jpg

turbovanmanČ
07-09-2012, 07:44 PM
I really hate you, lol. Your doing work/fun stuff, I am doing 6.0L Powerjoke head gaskets, :(

Nice work, :nod: :hail:

8valves
07-09-2012, 07:52 PM
Except that I do this work at work, and at home, so it sometimes takes the fun out of it. ;)

EDIT: Thanks though! And sorry about the headgaskets; upsell him on a Cummins swap. :)

omni_840
07-09-2012, 09:44 PM
Nice work!!

shadow88
07-09-2012, 10:14 PM
What's the pipe size leading into the turbine flange? Looks tiny, so I'm sure it'll produce some wicked velocity and reduced lag. Awesome work, as always!!! don't you get bored of hearing that? lol

turbovanmanČ
07-09-2012, 10:20 PM
Except that I do this work at work, and at home, so it sometimes takes the fun out of it. ;)

EDIT: Thanks though! And sorry about the headgaskets; upsell him on a Cummins swap. :)

LOL, wish I could do it at home, :p

I am not sorry, the customer sure is though, lol. :eyebrows:

RoadWarrior222
07-10-2012, 09:10 AM
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-08183517.jpg


:lol: that one took me a few moments, you know when your eyes/visual processing lock on something and it takes a mental adjustment to see it straight... I thought at first glance you'd rat rodded the case of a dead crafstman impact or similar into it, and I was like :confused: ... took me a second to tell it was a light, doh. :D

8valves
07-10-2012, 11:32 AM
What's the pipe size leading into the turbine flange? Looks tiny, so I'm sure it'll produce some wicked velocity and reduced lag. Awesome work, as always!!! don't you get bored of hearing that? lol

It's 1.875" primaries to a 2.500" secondary, which reduces to 2.000" into the SS flex bellows and up into the divided T4 turbine flange. Yes, it will have hella velocity, and likely hella backpressure too.

Twin TiAL MVR44 wastegates will be added shortly in a very cool manner, and then the hotside of the system is pretty well wrapped up.

Thanks guys, glad you enjoy seeing it. :)

contraption22
07-10-2012, 11:43 AM
Wow! So awesome.

2.216VTurbo
07-12-2012, 01:20 AM
Wow, your friend who welded those pieces is really good, you should hang out and watch over his shoulder to see how he works the TIG magic:p

cordes
07-12-2012, 01:26 AM
Very impressive yet again Aaron. Please keep us updated as you progress through this project. I really enjoy your threads.

RoadWarrior222
07-12-2012, 03:32 PM
When I join the playboy set, Ima gonna drive my Magnum down there to have twins put on it...


... or whatever else I happen to pick up...

8valves
07-12-2012, 05:20 PM
Wow, your friend who welded those pieces is really good, you should hang out and watch over his shoulder to see how he works the TIG magic:p

I've tried to, but he's fairly mythical and hard to keep an eye on. I heard he was at SDAC in the parking lot offering to build SS tube headers free of charge but there were no takers, as everyone had perfectly good ported stockers. Hahahaha! :eyebrows:

Before anyone has a heart attack from the above, it is all in good fun. :)

cordes
07-12-2012, 05:56 PM
I didn't know you made it to SDAC this year. I'm bummed I missed you.

2.216VTurbo
07-12-2012, 06:39 PM
^ He was only there like 10 minutes Brian, I didn't get to hear any Viper or Lambo stories:(

8valves
07-12-2012, 08:54 PM
When I join the playboy set, Ima gonna drive my Magnum down there to have twins put on it...


... or whatever else I happen to pick up...

That wouldn't be hard to convince me of, Magnum's are one of my favorite!


I didn't know you made it to SDAC this year. I'm bummed I missed you.

Sorry bud, I was indeed there but not for every event. Friday night I was at the parking lot for a while, and Sunday my family and I strolled through the car show.

^ He was only there like 10 minutes Brian, I didn't get to hear any Viper or Lambo stories:(

Yeah right! I think we all just got distracted by the FJ that wanted to run over DJ, and a certain red mustang doing multiple lackluster attempts at a burnout, with a winner now and then ;)

I had flown into town at 2AM that morning and had been running on 3 hrs of sleep all day till 1AM sat morning in the hotel lot... i thought I was doing pretty well! Not

contraption22
07-12-2012, 10:47 PM
Bummed I missed you too. I would have at least liked to shake your hand, and maybe s absorb some TIG skills from you.

cordes
07-13-2012, 12:05 AM
What a jip. Glad you were able to make it out though. I had a great time this year.

8valves
07-15-2012, 01:03 PM
Bummed I missed you too. I would have at least liked to shake your hand, and maybe s absorb some TIG skills from you.

In that case Alan should be able to weld just fine now! :)

Progress...

Prioritized wastegate placement tacked
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-14171541.jpg

Midpipe assembly off the car
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-14175245.jpg

All welded up
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-14180352.jpg

A little promo ;)
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-14180434.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-14180530.jpg

More to come. The wastegate recirculation should be a really wicked looking piece, and that'll be next. Intercooler next probably, and the intake manifold to top it all off while the wiring harness is finished off and the fuel system components start showing up.

Thanks guys! Enjoy!

Force Fed Mopar
07-15-2012, 01:33 PM
Nice! Can you get a pic of the car itself too? My buddy that I am working with to try and start our own performance shop is a big Chevy guy, and has a soft spot for the early 60's Impalas, he will love to see this. We are planning on building one of his early 70's Camaros up w/ a turbo V8, similar to the F-bomb.

Also, what is the purpose of stepping up the secondary size and then dropping it? Fitment, or engineering?

RoadWarrior222
07-15-2012, 02:43 PM
I'd imagine you would get low resistance higher in the header, then increase velocity into the turbo, which has smaller area inlets you'll notice, and may as well make the transition smooth prior to entry. Looks like it's double tuned for two areas of resonance though. Thinner pipe all the way up and you maybe couldn't keep it short enough, and stick your torque peak at 1500 rpm or something.

8valves
07-16-2012, 08:29 PM
Nice! Can you get a pic of the car itself too? My buddy that I am working with to try and start our own performance shop is a big Chevy guy, and has a soft spot for the early 60's Impalas, he will love to see this. We are planning on building one of his early 70's Camaros up w/ a turbo V8, similar to the F-bomb.

Also, what is the purpose of stepping up the secondary size and then dropping it? Fitment, or engineering?

I wish you guys luck with it!

I'll get some pictures when I can set it back down on the ground. I've got it up on all stands to work around it a bit easier until all the tidy up work is done underneath. It'll probably be a bit. I'll see what the owner already has of it perhaps.

There's both fitment and engineering to the tubing sizing. Some of it aesthetically driven, some for power production, and some that are unique to this combination (such as the 2.0" section, as it fits flush to the divided T4 entry best.) Piping sizing isn't terribly critical unless you're looking to optimize everything about the setup, ie spool, power, etc. Since this app has a undersized turbo to begin with and it's goal is street friendly and fun powerband, I can get away with certain things since losing 20HP here or there isn't the end of the world.

It can be fairly critical on an oversized turbo application looking for max power. I'm sure some people will debate that though.

turbovanmanČ
07-16-2012, 08:47 PM
Is that Ti?

8valves
07-16-2012, 10:42 PM
Is that Ti?

There's nothing pictured that's TI on that car. What were you asking about specifically?

Every piece of the turbo system componentry is 304SS, welded with 308L rod of varying sizes for varying situations.

BadFastGTC
07-17-2012, 05:20 AM
That is freaking hilarious!


I've tried to, but he's fairly mythical and hard to keep an eye on. I heard he was at SDAC in the parking lot offering to build SS tube headers free of charge but there were no takers, as everyone had perfectly good ported stockers. Hahahaha! :eyebrows:

Before anyone has a heart attack from the above, it is all in good fun. :)

turbovanmanČ
07-17-2012, 05:51 PM
There's nothing pictured that's TI on that car. What were you asking about specifically?

Every piece of the turbo system componentry is 304SS, welded with 308L rod of varying sizes for varying situations.

I was asking if the piping is Ti.

8valves
07-18-2012, 07:44 AM
I was asking if the piping is Ti.

Oh, okay. Same answer, all 304SS.

Wastegate recirculation is done on the downpipe. This is done in a slip fit configuration where the 1.75" WG outlet tubes will slip fit inside these 1.875" pieces on the downpipe. This is done for ease of installation purposes. It's an odd, in a neat way, looking piece off the car. Once seen installed it will make perfect sense. :)

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-07-17195802.jpg

RoadWarrior222
07-18-2012, 07:53 AM
Yah, looks like a church organ builders nightmare at the moment :D

8valves
07-18-2012, 11:15 AM
Here's the car... EDIT: I guess the owner saw this thread or another one somewhere else someone must've started and sent me some better pictures. Thanks for spreading the stuff around a bit guys!

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/IMG951327.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/IMG953244.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/IMG957673.jpg

Rrider
07-18-2012, 11:31 AM
Niiiiice. I wish I could weld like that..

You gonna coat those pipes or something? Thats a lot of square footage in the bay.

RoadWarrior222
07-18-2012, 11:37 AM
w00t, now it's a racing yacht...

8valves
07-18-2012, 12:22 PM
Niiiiice. I wish I could weld like that..

You gonna coat those pipes or something? Thats a lot of square footage in the bay.

Thanks, just start practicing! And work on keeping your breathing and heartrate steady.

No, the concept is to leave the hotside components in the brushed SS appearance and it will gold up very nicely, as seen in the following pics of a GT35R Evo I did. Everything on the colside will be a fully polished SS, and the plenum on the intake manifold will be polished as well once completed, with black runners.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2011-11-26215053.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2011-11-26215104.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2011-11-26215119.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2011-11-27020410.jpg

---------- Post added at 12:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:15 PM ----------

Edited above post with car pics as the owner supplied me with some better ones. Thanks Rich!

RoadWarrior222
07-18-2012, 01:10 PM
Is that Ti?

8valves
07-18-2012, 01:35 PM
No, still 304SS.

turbovanmanČ
07-18-2012, 02:00 PM
I love that Impala, :hail:


Is that Ti?

LOL!!!!

8valves
08-05-2012, 03:27 PM
Freshly made of Ti for Simon.

Now you can see how that kind of odd looking downpipe assembly comes into play.

The rest of the pieces are falling into place. Brand new Eddy intake will go into the bandsaw soon to be chopped up and changed around.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-08-01201828.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-08-01202020.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-08-04144240.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-08-04144310.jpg

cordes
08-05-2012, 03:43 PM
Looks like it's really coming along. Keep the updates coming!

85boostbox
08-05-2012, 05:11 PM
Agreed with that WOW

fishcleaner
08-05-2012, 06:31 PM
ok now you are just showing off; permission granted. Looks like you can get another 30' of tubing in there above the wheel wells
but I bet the Ti is expensive.

2.216VTurbo
08-06-2012, 08:33 PM
Stop swapping IN manifolds, you're confusing the simple ones (like me:o) Looking like art as always:thumb:

Vigo
08-07-2012, 01:02 PM
LOL @ Ti theme.

Nice work, as usual.

What are the specs on the undersized turbo?

8valves
08-07-2012, 03:54 PM
GT4294R, 1.01AR divided T4 turbine.

Vigo
08-07-2012, 04:17 PM
Sounds like a good turbo for a really mean 3.5L. hehe

Itll still work great the way you're doing it. Cool project.

Rrider
08-07-2012, 07:02 PM
I keep thinging that a lot of hot pipe under the hood... not worried about heat?

Does Ti insulate the heat better than SS?

8valves
08-07-2012, 07:56 PM
Sounds like a good turbo for a really mean 3.5L. hehe

Itll still work great the way you're doing it. Cool project.

Exactly, haha! Should spool at 30% throttle on this motor.


I keep thinging that a lot of hot pipe under the hood... not worried about heat?

Does Ti insulate the heat better than SS?

The guy's are messing around, it's not Ti, it's SS. And yes, I do worry about heat. I think the radiator fans are going to have a shortlived lifespan, but the owner is accepting of sacrifices for the "holy crap" look on people's faces at car shows.

88C/S
08-07-2012, 11:22 PM
WOW, beautiful work!!!

black86glhs
08-07-2012, 11:31 PM
Come on.....that thing will be going so fast the air moving around under the hood will cause frost to form on those pipes!!!!


OK....OK.....just be cool to the touch.:D

8valves
09-22-2012, 11:21 PM
I've been busy with some really big things lately, so the Impala took the sideline for a bit. A big thanks to the owner, Rich, for being patient with me. This weekend is an Impalathon, so hopefully all the fab work will be entirely wrapped up end of tomorrow.

For now, Alan can get mad that there is yet another intake manifold configuration on the car. This one is staying though! It'll just be altered cosmetically from here.

Enjoy!

Internally welded intake plenum, .125" wall 4" OD 90* bends is what it starts as. I cut up the perfectly nice Edelbrock intake for this, haha! Also useable as a small canoe.
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-09-22151054_zps2ea63056.jpg

Kicked down neck for belt routing clearance with the altered location of the accesories, for header clearance... for downpipe clearance... for everthing clearance.
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-09-22170619_zpsb7302f0d.jpg

I wish I could make this more symmetrical, but with the charge pipes there comes a time where you just have what you have room for. Note the ovalized tubing to clear behind the stock headlight buckets, and the strange kick and roll is all in the name of hood, header, and radiator clearances.
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-09-22220340_zps40520005.jpg

Getting closer!
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/Eight_Valves/Fabricated%20Pieces/2012-09-22221253_zps7f9c9039.jpg

T-Bohn
09-22-2012, 11:40 PM
It must be really light with all those Ti pipes in there!!

I hope to see updates when it is running!!

Thanks for keeping us in the loop!

2.216VTurbo
09-23-2012, 01:56 AM
Soooo... 1 of 1 is pretty beast(dunno, my 10 year old says that when he thinks something is bad a$$):D It's most likely the only IM just like that in the world:thumb: IIRC tho, you have like 3 of your own projects on hold, if you weren't continously reinventing the wheel... Just saying:p

cordes
09-23-2012, 02:01 AM
Man, that's more titanium than I've ever seen on one vehicle. Keep up the good work Aaron!

8valves
09-23-2012, 11:31 AM
Soooo... 1 of 1 is pretty beast(dunno, my 10 year old says that when he thinks something is bad a$$):D It's most likely the only IM just like that in the world:thumb: IIRC tho, you have like 3 of your own projects on hold, if you weren't continously reinventing the wheel... Just saying:p

I actually remember saying "beast" as well. Hell if I know where/how it came from either though!

This was actually the plan from the get-go, as soon as we decided on not using the stock intake. The stock LS based intake is just so boring and ugly looking, and I think this really sets the system apart in conjunction with the rest of the package.

I only have two real projects actually! I sold the race Talon for my brother to a gentleman in Guam, got rid of all of my Turbo Mopar's besides my Shelby Lancer (great DD!), and sold both the 72 and the 71 Demon. My projects have been my business startup, and my 01 Viper TT. :) One of those has made very slow progress, can you guess which? :o