He351ve on custom header.

[shackwrrr]

Has anyone done this? I am thinking about doing since I was planning a custom log manifold anyway. Anyone have any size comparasons of the ve against the head?

I was thinking of using an actuator and a spring using drive pressure to move the vanes. Then maybe an arduino project to run the actuator.

Does anyone have one for cheap.

Now, what other ideas do others have?

[shayne]

the turbine snail is real big, i got simons right now to mock up to see if i can cram it under the hood under my own car. the snail is approx 9 1/4" in diameter so it would be real tight to fit behind the motor in front of the firewall. if you were so inclined you could make a manifold that would put it over the trans next to the motor facing forward, thats basically where i am thinking for myself. another thing to be aware of is the clocking limitations this turbo has, the compressor side can spin 360 degrees with the dowel removed, but the turbine housing can only fit around the large water cooled center section in a few different ways without modifying or cutting something off.

[turbovanman²]

Don't think you'd have enough room back there without relocating it or massaging the firewall.

[shackwrrr]

Hmm, have to measure, a little massage is fine.

[shackwrrr]

on another though, has anyone seen these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/CUMMINS-Dodge-HY35W-TURBO-Turbocharger-3599811-brand-new-1-year-warranty-/180741389012?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item2a1506bad4

[Aries_Turbo]

^^china??

[shayne]

you may want to pm simon on that second turbo, i think he has one like that for sale right now, its in beautiful shape too, and its a genuine holset made in south carolina i believe.

[shackwrrr]

^^china??

Yeah, China he341 copy

[turbovanman²]

on another though, has anyone seen these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/CUMMINS-Dodge-HY35W-TURBO-Turbocharger-3599811-brand-new-1-year-warranty-/180741389012?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item2a1506bad4

Chinese obviously. You can be the guinea pig, :eyebrows:

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^^china??

Can't you read? ;)

The ads poor english and the fact its an aftermarket turbo would say chinese. :clap:


you may want to pm simon on that second turbo, i think he has one like that for sale right now, its in beautiful shape too, and its a genuine holset made in south carolina i believe.

Yeah, I have a nice HY35, the one in the Ebay ad is an HE341.

[shackwrrr]

Right now I have a 50 trim turbonetics from fwd. If I were to go he351cw I would have to find someone to trade, the be I might be able to spring for. That's why I was wondering if it could be made to work. I do think a TIII with a vnt Turbo would be trick though.

[turbovanman²]

Right now I have a 50 trim turbonetics from fwd. If I were to go he351cw I would have to find someone to trade, the be I might be able to spring for. That's why I was wondering if it could be made to work. I do think a TIII with a vnt Turbo would be trick though.

Yeah, any engine with the VNT turbo would be sick, :nod:

[tsiconquest88]

I will be different and say japan lol A hope for better quality lmao

[moe44688]

TIII+VNT= super fast spool times. I would love to see one with some numbers and spool time, but I think the TIII motor will push the turbo to its limits. Would make one hell of a street car though.

[86seeS]

Full boost 1800 rpm lol

[turbovanman²]

TIII+VNT= super fast spool times. I would love to see one with some numbers and spool time, but I think the TIII motor will push the turbo to its limits. Would make one hell of a street car though.

I don't, a small 2.2 won't come close to maxing out that turbo, with the vanes fully open, its a huge turbo.

[shackwrrr]

Full boost 1800 rpm lol

Hell yeah! In a shadow with a TIII, lol. Good thing the 3.85 is getting tossed for a 3.5. With the spirit now I try putting it into the imaginary 6th gear that would make the car so much nicer.

[Shadow]

I don't, a small 2.2 won't come close to maxing out that turbo, with the vanes fully open, its a huge turbo.

Same size compressor as HE351cw, so 600WHP turbo, maybe 650 maxed with the larger A/R. Problem is I've never seen any hard evidence that anyone is getting anything better out of it in response OR performance than the HE351cw. That's a boat load more work and modding for something that supposedly won't even work without an external W/G to further control it.

Now IF this was a mod it to bolt on and control it with EBC turbo and Done, well that would be a whole different story.......

[turbovanman²]

Same size compressor as HE351cw, so 600WHP turbo, maybe 650 maxed with the larger A/R. Problem is I've never seen any hard evidence that anyone is getting anything better out of it in response OR performance than the HE351cw. That's a boat load more work and modding for something that supposedly won't even work without an external W/G to further control it.

Now IF this was a mod it to bolt on and control it with EBC turbo and Done, well that would be a whole different story.......

Shayne has been doing research on these, with a simple T1 garrett wastegate, boost literally starts off idle, pretty insane, :nod:

[Shadow]

Shayne has been doing research on these, with a simple T1 garrett wastegate, boost literally starts off idle, pretty insane, :nod:

He has experienced this, or read it? I read everything I could find on the DSM that ran one of these but No real hard track/dyno info to suggest it is actually Better.

Besides, faster spool would be a problem for someone like me. IF boost were to come on any faster than it does with the HE351 in the Charger Right now I would be in trouble. All I've done over the last 3 years is stuff to make power come on Later so I can get some traction.

I finally found my Right combo this past fall, but I can already see it becoming a problem as I turn the boost higher. That's why I'm concidering clipping the turbine wheel. More flow so should be more power everywhere But down low, exactly what I'll need to keep hooking into the 9's! (did I just say that :))

[turbovanman²]

He has experienced this, or read it? I read everything I could find on the DSM that ran one of these but No real hard track/dyno info to suggest it is actually Better.

Besides, faster spool would be a problem for someone like me. IF boost were to come on any faster than it does with the HE351 in the Charger Right now I would be in trouble. All I've done over the last 3 years is stuff to make power come on Later so I can get some traction.

I finally found my Right combo this past fall, but I can already see it becoming a problem as I turn the boost higher. That's why I'm concidering clipping the turbine wheel. More flow so should be more power everywhere But down low, exactly what I'll need to keep hooking into the 9's! (did I just say that :))

Not personal experience but he might have soon, he's most likely putting it on his 3.0L, :evil:


As for lower boost, some like it, can make a nicer street vehicle.

[Shadow]

If you could control it with a simple EBC and have low boost/fast response for the street (up to the traction you can hold on your tires), then high boost/ slower response for running at the track it would be cool. Just not worth the effort IMO + it's a brutally heavy pkg.

[shackwrrr]

With the external wastegate. I'd like to have a setup for fast spool, low boost for auto-x or rally-x. Might be able to make a solenoid control with the arduino that reads off the speed sensor that creates a boost curve that keeps the tires at the edge of grip. If none of this works, a simple threaded rod that locks the vanes at an ideal spool would work.

[Vigo]

A friend and I are starting to mock up a drivetrain on the ground to build a header for an he351ve. It is MASSIVE. The plan is to put it over the trans. Not very far along yet, though. :)

[shackwrrr]

Could someone get exact dimensions? I would like to make a cardboard Turbo for mockup.

[BadAssPerformance]

Is the "ve" the "vgt" that was discussed a while back?

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?53965-Holset-vgt-controller

If so, a friend has some of the code figured out :eyebrows:

[Vigo]

Thats definitely the turbo im talking about.

[440dart]

I was in the 6.7 cummins world for awhile the the stock turbo actually flows lil less then stock 05up HO turbos do, also on the 6.7s main issue when running a programmer was drive pressure problems. Ive also wanted to run a custom cheetah turbo from fleece performance on one of my TD's fast spool with big turbo top end. There are some guys on turbododge that got the ve's to work on a 12v useing some wastegates but if it was me and had some money i would go with fleece performances controller but then again we are in the turbo dodge world if somebody can buy it for $5 or build it for a $1 we choose the $1 lol. I have a brandnew take off ve with 10k mi off an 07 cummins if somebody is interested

[turbovanman²]

I heard the Fleece controller is having issues, so if that's true? :(

[shackwrrr]

I heard the Fleece controller is having issues, so if that's true? :(

Its complicated if you try and get through the CANBUS input. If you tear it apart its only a 3 phase brushless dc motor and a potentiometer. Controlling is as easy as using an R/C brushless speed control and writing up some code that controls it with PWM and feedback from the pot.

[turbovanman²]

Its complicated if you try and get through the CANBUS input. If you tear it apart its only a 3 phase brushless dc motor and a potentiometer. Controlling is as easy as using an R/C brushless speed control and writing up some code that controls it with PWM and feedback from the pot.

Makes sense.