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ShelGame
10-03-2011, 10:25 AM
This is where I'm going to keep the BoostButton Stage cals for public use. These will be the same cals that I offer thru my website BoostButton.com. These files include the tempalte & assembly files as well as the binary. So, you can use them as-is, or as a starting point for you own custom cal.

'Stage II' cals:


BoostButton Stage Cals Build Specs:

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BoostButton S.II

1) 2-bar, stock injectors (34pph)
2) 14psi boost; with 14.5psi overboost + 1sec
3) Revised timing (premium fuel recommended)
4) Revised knock thresholds
5) Knock Indicator (CEL)
6) Rev limiter increased to 6650rpm (7000rpm for T3)
7) Speed Limiter set to 175mph (turned off for T3)
8) Charge temp sensor for T2 cals, not for T1
9) Improved dwell control for SMEC/SBEC-based 8v cals
10) Timing and fuel tables tuned from 12-14.5psi for the T3

Notes:
a) Intended for stock or only slightly modified engines
b) Timing is setup for 782 (FB) head
c) Stock turbo cam or TBI roller cam
d) TII Boost Control on LM Applications
e) T1 (89+) Boost Control on SMEC and SBEC Applications
f) TIII Boost Control on TIII applications
g) Stock (non-VNT), T2 Garret, or mild turbo
h) 2.2 SBEC cals are T2 type (not VNT) cals
i) Free-flowing exhaust (2.5")
j) A/C and cruise are configured

Applied templates:
T-LM
DONE 2.2 MTX - A079
DONE 2.2 ATX - 0078
DONE 2.5 MTX - CUST
DONE 2.5 ATX - CUST

T-SMEC
DONE 2.2 MTX - A553
DONE 2.2 ATX - A124
DONE 2.5 MTX - B151
DONE 2.2 ATX - A105

T-SBEC
DONE 2.2 MTX - A415
DONE 2.2 ATX - CUST
DONE 2.5 MTX - B246
DONE 2.5 ATX - A577

T-TIII (91 & 92/93)
2.2 MTX - A393 (91) & 0471 (92/93)

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S.III

1) 3-bar, +20 injectors (42pph)
2) Boost targets and boost controls setup for 16psi; overboost to 17psi + 1sec
3) Revised timing curves (premium fuel required)
4) Revised knock thresholds
5) Knock Indicator (CEL)
6) Rev limiter increased 500rpm over S.II
7) Speed Limiter set to 175mph
8) Fan Temps setup for 180 t-stat
9) Charge temp sensor for T2 cals, not for T1
10) Improved dwell control for SMEC/SBEC-based 8v cals

Notes:
a) Intended for stock or only slightly modified engines
b) Timing is setup for 782 (FB) head
c) Stock turbo or TBI roller cam
d) TII Boost Control on LM Applications
e) T1 (89+) Boost Control on SMEC and SBEC Applications
f) TIII Boost Control on TIII applications
g) Stock (non-VNT), T2 Garret, or mild turbo
h) 2.2 SBEC cals are T2 type (not VNT) cals
i) Free-flowing exhaust (2.5")

Applied templates:
T-LM
DONE 2.2 MTX - A079
DONE 2.2 ATX - 0078
DONE 2.5 MTX - CUST (use T-SMEC as comp cal)
DONE 2.5 ATX - CUST (use T-SMEC as comp cal)

T-SMEC
DONE 2.2 MTX - A553
DONE 2.2 ATX - A124
DONE 2.5 MTX - B151
DONE 2.2 ATX - A105

T-SBEC
DONE 2.2 MTX - A415
DONE 2.2 ATX - CUST (use A124 as comparison)
DONE 2.5 MTX - B246
DONE 2.5 ATX - A577

T-TIII (91 & 92/93)
2.2 MTX - A393 (91) & 0471 (92/93)

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S.IV

1) 3-bar, +40 injectors (52pph)
2) Boost targets and boost controls setup for 18psi; overboost to 19psi + 1sec
3) Revised timing curves (premium fuel required)
4) Revised knock thresholds
5) Revised fuel curves
6) Knock Indicator (CEL)
7) Rev limiter increased 500rpm
8) Speed Limiter set to 175mph
9) Fan Temps setup for 180 t-stat
10) Charge temp sensor
11) Improved dwell control for SMEC/SBEC-based 8v cals

Notes:
a) Intended for mild performance engines
b) Timing is setup for 782 (FB) head
c) For mild ported head/intake; 52mm TB
d) Stock turbo/TBI or mild stage cam (S2 is OK)
e) TII Boost Control on LM Applications
f) T1 (89+) Boost Control on SMEC and SBEC Applications
g) TIII Boost Control on TIII applications
h) Stock (non-VNT), T2 Garret, or mild turbo
i) 2.2 SBEC cals are T2 type (not VNT) cals
j) Charge temp sensor should be installed
k) Free-flowing exhaust (3")

Applied templates:
T-LM
DONE 2.2 MTX - A079
DONE 2.2 ATX - 0078
DONE 2.5 MTX - CUST (use T-SMEC as comp cal)
DONE 2.5 ATX - CUST (use T-SMEC as comp cal)

T-SMEC
DONE 2.2 MTX - A553
DONE 2.2 ATX - A124
DONE 2.5 MTX - B151
DONE 2.2 ATX - A105

T-SBEC
DONE 2.2 MTX - A415
DONE 2.2 ATX - CUST (use A124 as comparison)
DONE 2.5 MTX - B246
DONE 2.5 ATX - A577

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S.V

1) 3-bar, +40 injectors (52pph)
- 2) Boost targets and boost controls setup for 22psi; overboost to 23psi + 1sec
- 3) Revised timing curves (premium fuel required)
4) Revised knock thresholds
- 5) Revised fuel curves & Pumping Efficiency
6) Knock Indicator (CEL)
7) Rev limiter increased 500rpm
8) Speed Limiter set to 175mph
9) Fan Temps setup for 180 t-stat
10) Charge temp sensor
11) Improved dwell control for SMEC/SBEC-based 8v cals

Notes:
a) Intended for performance engines
b) Timing is setup for 782 (FB) head
c) For fully ported head/intake; 52mm TB
d) For stage cam (S3+)
e) TII Boost Control on LM Applications
f) T1 (89+) Boost Control on SMEC and SBEC Applications
g) TIII Boost Control on TIII applications
h) Stock (non-VNT), T2 Garret, S60, T3/T4 or other 'medium' turbo
i) 2.2 SBEC cals are T2 type (not VNT) cals
j) Charge temp sensor should be installed
k) Free-flowing exhaust (3")

Applied templates:
T-LM
2.2 MTX - A079
2.2 ATX - 0078
2.5 MTX - CUST (use T-SMEC as comp cal)
2.5 ATX - CUST (use T-SMEC as comp cal)

T-SMEC
2.2 MTX - A553
2.2 ATX - A124
2.5 MTX - B151
2.2 ATX - A105

T-SBEC
2.2 MTX - A415
2.2 ATX - CUST (use A124 as comparison)
2.5 MTX - B246
2.5 ATX - A577

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9/2/2014 - All SMEC Stage Cal Files updated to T/SMEC v19.5.

12/14/2014 - All SMEC Stage Cal Files updated to T/SMEC V19.6.

roachjuice
10-03-2011, 12:31 PM
sweet. hopefully my car will be back on the road this weekend. ill give a 2.5 mtx a try.

turbovanman²
10-03-2011, 12:33 PM
You da man, :nod:

roachjuice
10-03-2011, 05:54 PM
can only open in mp tune. is there another way to open in another program? like mptuner? dcal? thanks.

ShelGame
10-04-2011, 02:11 PM
can only open in mp tune. is there another way to open in another program? like mptuner? dcal? thanks.

They're setup for MP Tuner 2. I don't plan to make a version for MPT1. There's a function in MPT2 that will create a .tbl file if you want to use D-Cal.

roachjuice
10-04-2011, 02:42 PM
Ah ok. I'll try that. Thanks.

ShelGame
10-04-2011, 03:02 PM
MPT2.0.1 will be out very soon - and it's very nice, BTW...

zin
10-04-2011, 04:24 PM
MOST EXCELLENT!

Mike

moparmikehunt
10-12-2011, 03:30 PM
when will the rest of the stages be complete? like say ones for 3 bars and +40's?

ShelGame
10-12-2011, 06:06 PM
Oh, soon, I hope...

moparmikehunt
10-15-2011, 12:00 AM
cant wait my friend.

ShelGame
10-15-2011, 07:22 PM
Um, OK. Sorry? I guess...

cordes
10-16-2011, 12:52 AM
Um, OK. Sorry? I guess...

I took it as, "Can't wait, my friend!".

T-Bohn
10-16-2011, 01:01 PM
I took it as, "Can't wait, my friend!".

+1
I am not sure if I will ever use one but I think that is great that you are doing this for our group. A very classy move.

Thankyou.

turbovanman²
10-16-2011, 04:58 PM
I agree, he's thanking you and saying he can't wait.

moparmikehunt
10-17-2011, 02:22 PM
Indeed. sorry for my bad punctuation. I am super excited to try them, and am eternally grateful for the brilliant minds we have among us on these forums.

ShelGame
10-17-2011, 02:37 PM
Yeah, OK. I see how I read it wrong...

I was going to try and finish them up this week. But, the hard drive in my NetBook took a crap (well, actually, just the Windows partition - long story) and now I have to try and get some files back. No worries on my cal stuff. It's all kept 'on the cloud' now. But, I do need to at least recover my e-mail (outlook.pst) file before I do anything else.

moparmikehunt
10-19-2011, 03:51 AM
---- man.hopefully all goes well with that. damn technology.

ShelGame
10-19-2011, 09:41 AM
---- man.hopefully all goes well with that. damn technology.

It's not the technology - it's the non-computer-savy father-in-law trying to start up a machine, with a boot menu for Linux/Windows, and accidentally selecting the Win7 Recovery console which formats your hard drive before he realizes something isn't right...

ShelGame
10-24-2011, 09:38 AM
OK, Netbook is back up running. Now, I can get back to work on all this stuff...

ShelGame
10-24-2011, 04:17 PM
S.III cals are posted. These are 3-bar, +20 cals setup for 16psi boost.

I'll try to work on S.IV cals tomorrow...

ShelGame
10-25-2011, 11:37 AM
S.IV Cals are posted. These are 3-bar, +40 cals setup for 18psi boost. Fuel tables are adjusted for a lightly ported head/intake.

roachjuice
10-25-2011, 01:12 PM
I'll have to download when i gets home. I'll test it out for ya. Cold start etc. See what it does on 2.5 lm stuff.

roachjuice
10-25-2011, 04:59 PM
Lol ok I created a d cal file from the stage 4 stuff and I get this on alot of tables lol. Anyone have that problem?

ShelGame
10-25-2011, 05:06 PM
I had that problem before, it's an MP Tuner thing I think. Post this in the MP Tune thread, morris had a way to fix it but I forget what it was. It happens because the addresses are wrong when it creates the table file.

roachjuice
10-25-2011, 05:20 PM
Will do

roachjuice
10-25-2011, 05:34 PM
Just started it with your 2.5 mtx stage 4 tune. Didn't touch a thing in the cal. I have a stock turbo with a slightly ported head and hogged out exhaust manifold. +40's 3 bar. Idle is rich. Real rich. 10.9 hot. Cold it was so rich it wanted to flood out. Haven't driven it. But I switched between my tune and your stage and my old v8 stuff on the fourplay and the old v8 stuff seemed to be the leanest and idled the best. Ive sorta fixed the cold start in the v12 code but never got it perfect. Without a d cal code I can't compare the v8 with the rest.

wowzer
10-25-2011, 05:46 PM
Lol ok I created a d cal file from the stage 4 stuff and I get this on alot of tables lol. Anyone have that problem?

problem number 1 - using mpt1 vs mpt2!!!
problem number 2 - i need to fix an old error again in the routine that creates the old tbl file. i'll do that tonight and post the new version.

now - why are you using mpt1 again?!:eyebrows:

roachjuice
10-25-2011, 05:57 PM
Lol hell I dunno. I'll download it now. I think it is 2 actually. Let me check.

roachjuice
10-25-2011, 05:58 PM
It says version 2.0.1.3.

ShelGame
10-25-2011, 07:27 PM
Just started it with your 2.5 mtx stage 4 tune. Didn't touch a thing in the cal. I have a stock turbo with a slightly ported head and hogged out exhaust manifold. +40's 3 bar. Idle is rich. Real rich. 10.9 hot. Cold it was so rich it wanted to flood out. Haven't driven it. But I switched between my tune and your stage and my old v8 stuff on the fourplay and the old v8 stuff seemed to be the leanest and idled the best. Ive sorta fixed the cold start in the v12 code but never got it perfect. Without a d cal code I can't compare the v8 with the rest.

Do you have a charge temp sensor?

roachjuice
10-25-2011, 07:47 PM
yes. and its working. dunno. i had that problem with the turbonator v12 2.5 lm code and i changed a few things around. ill compare them and see whats different.

ShelGame
10-25-2011, 07:52 PM
yes. and its working. dunno. i had that problem with the turbonator v12 2.5 lm code and i changed a few things around. ill compare them and see whats different.

Is this the T-LM 2.5 S.IV cal? I'll look at it tomorrow...

roachjuice
10-25-2011, 08:50 PM
Yea stage 4. I haven't tried the others or adjusted anything in the cal.

Dez
10-25-2011, 09:24 PM
Good stuff! I'll download and hopefully have a test run, tomorrow! I'll report back and let you know how it works out.

roachjuice
10-26-2011, 08:07 PM
Rob- these are the tables i think mess with running rich when it's cold. The blue one is a run of the mill v12. The light blue is an old v8 2.5 lm cal it ran good when cold. The green is where I adjusted v12 to. It didn't fix it all the way but it was better. There may be other tables that are different too. That's one that I remember. I think the cold enrich table b is different too.

roachjuice
10-26-2011, 08:19 PM
Oh btw everytime I try to open a stage 4 cal in d cal it shows a windows error and crashes. All other cals work.

Force Fed Mopar
10-26-2011, 08:36 PM
You need to learn MPTune :)

Rob, I have a pretty good base cal for a 3-bar stock 2.2 swirl on 93 oct and 17-18 psi now. If you want I can send you the file so you can look at it. It pulls hard up top, starts good cold and gets 30+ mpg on trips. It needs minor tweaks still here and there (hot start needs either slightly less or more fuel) but overall has been a reliable tune for over a year now. I know you don't have a LM car to test with, so if this would help...

roachjuice
10-28-2011, 12:30 PM
you might try to dig up the old turbonator v8 cal and compare some cold start and running tables with it. it seemed to run good on that version. everyone that has used the 2.5 lm v12 cal had trouble with running way too rich when cold and idle was way rich. as stated by ffm i know you dont have an lm car to test this on so id be willing to test the 2.5 cals out for you. im not going out and boosting it. but i will test how it idles and cold starts.

ShelGame
10-28-2011, 12:42 PM
you might try to dig up the old turbonator v8 cal and compare some cold start and running tables with it. it seemed to run good on that version. everyone that has used the 2.5 lm v12 cal had trouble with running way too rich when cold and idle was way rich. as stated by ffm i know you dont have an lm car to test this on so id be willing to test the 2.5 cals out for you. im not going out and boosting it. but i will test how it idles and cold starts.

Yeah, I looked at it the other night and had a similar thought about that table. That table is how the 2.5 cals look, though. So, I want to check out the code and see what might be different. The base scale could be off or something. I'll post a cal for you to test, Roach. What's your preference for build? 3-bar +40?

roachjuice
10-28-2011, 12:45 PM
yea thats what i have 3 bar and 40's

ShelGame
10-28-2011, 01:00 PM
Oh btw everytime I try to open a stage 4 cal in d cal it shows a windows error and crashes. All other cals work.

That's still a table file error of some kind. Probably a data type that D-Cal doesn't understand. D-Cal doesn't support all of the data types that MP Tuner does (and our ECU's have).

ShelGame
10-28-2011, 01:02 PM
OK, try this cal on for size. The SMEC cals actually have 2 sets of cold load tables - 1 for idle and 1 for part throttle (they're both ignored for WOT). I was using the part throttle tables in the LM conversion and maybe that's why it was too rich. This one has the idle tables.

34895

If this works well, I'll apply this change to all of the 2.5 LM cals...

roachjuice
10-28-2011, 01:15 PM
lol roachtest. ill try when i get home. im at work now.

wowzer
10-28-2011, 06:13 PM
Oh btw everytime I try to open a stage 4 cal in d cal it shows a windows error and crashes. All other cals work.

can u open it with mptuner (not the newest mptune). the old version still uses the .tbl file like dcal does. it that works send me the .tbl file that crashes in dcal and i'll see what the problem is.

ShelGame
10-29-2011, 05:01 PM
lol roachtest. ill try when i get home. im at work now.

Try it yet? Any better?

roachjuice
10-29-2011, 06:47 PM
Just tried it. Took it around the block. Runs good. Didn't go wot. Just part throttle. Idle is smooth. Cold is 11.3-12.0. Hot is 14.0-14.3.

ShelGame
10-29-2011, 06:55 PM
Good enough for me. I'll make that change to all the 2.5 LM cals...

roachjuice
10-29-2011, 09:07 PM
Sweet.

ShelGame
10-29-2011, 09:43 PM
Sweet.

Thanks for the feedback :)

roachjuice
10-30-2011, 09:43 AM
No problem anytime.

ShelGame
11-02-2011, 02:03 PM
Updated all of the T-LM Stage cal files with the calculated tables, the updated model code stuff, and updated the 2.5 cold load cal data for the rich idle issue.

ShelGame
01-24-2012, 12:08 PM
Anyone try these yet? Any feedback at all?

Force Fed Mopar
01-24-2012, 02:11 PM
I can try one, which stage you think would suit my engine best? I have a 2.5, +1 valves, TU header, 50 trim w/ .63 housing, FWD-P F3 cam, water to air intercooler and full 3" exhaust, 2-piece intake and 52mm TB.

ShelGame
01-24-2012, 02:33 PM
I can try one, which stage you think would suit my engine best? I have a 2.5, +1 valves, TU header, 50 trim w/ .63 housing, FWD-P F3 cam, water to air intercooler and full 3" exhaust, 2-piece intake and 52mm TB.

I think the StgIV would be best suited, but it may not be enough. It doesn't have any changes to the Pump Eff table for a big valve head and cam.

Force Fed Mopar
01-24-2012, 02:38 PM
I'll try it. I can use my current PumpEff table if it's too lean.

Force Fed Mopar
01-24-2012, 03:44 PM
Get these errors when loading the 2.5 MTX Stage IV cal:


Warning->X axis max should not be <= X axis min. Please review line:
;mpxaxis charge_temp 300 -200 degrees

Warning->X axis max should not be <= X axis min. Please review line:
;mpxaxis Delta_Speed 0 -4 mph

Warning->X axis max should not be <= X axis min. Please review line:
;mpxaxis Delta_Speed 0 -4 mph

Warning->X axis max should not be <= X axis min. Please review line:
;mpxaxis Delta_Speed 0 -4 mph



About to burn the chip and try it out.

ShelGame
01-24-2012, 04:45 PM
Get these errors when loading the 2.5 MTX Stage IV cal:



About to burn the chip and try it out.

?? I though I fixed that $hit...

Force Fed Mopar
01-24-2012, 08:15 PM
?? I though I fixed that $hit...

Dunno, that's what it does.

Tried it as-is, started good, ran good but rich, about a point richer, idled at 12.0ish hot. Probably needs to be scaled for 58 lb injectors. I'll try that next.

Force Fed Mopar
01-24-2012, 10:11 PM
Tried it (StageIV 2.5 mtx) scaled for 58lb injectors. Still rich, idle at 12ish, I ran it hard up through the revs part and full throttle, stayed rich all the way up. WOT it was right at 11.0, part throttle it was 10.5-10.8, it was breaking up under power. This is on 15 psi. WOT roll from about 25-30 mph, 2500 rpms, it spooled fairly quick and rolled the tires over a bit when it hit in 2nd gear. Doesn't seem to pull up top as hard as my cal, which has more timing and less fuel.

roachjuice
01-25-2012, 12:11 AM
Its probably for safety reasons. Perrin and Cobb do the same thing with the access port tunes on Sti. It's just to make sure that EVERY car can have a basic plug in and play tune.

Force Fed Mopar
01-25-2012, 12:22 AM
I'm sure there is a certain amount of that. But the idle AFR shouldn't be that far off. My cal idled high 14s/high 15s, put the Stage IV in and it goes to 12.0. Put mine back in, high 14s/high 15s again. That's a 2-3 point difference.

ShelGame
01-25-2012, 10:21 AM
Hmm, it shouldn't be that rich. I didn't intentionally richen it up. Thanks for the feedback...

moparmikehunt
01-31-2012, 06:40 PM
do any of these stage cals have your 2 step feature and knock flash?

ShelGame
01-31-2012, 06:53 PM
do any of these stage cals have your 2 step feature and knock flash?

CE Flash yes, the 2-step is available but not turned on. You can set that up yourself easily with MP Tune 2.

turbovanman²
03-02-2012, 08:46 PM
I am going to try the LM 2.5 Stage II cal very shortly, I'll post feedback.

AbiuX
03-03-2012, 06:50 AM
I'm looking forward to use the SMEC Stage IV for 2.2 MTX for my Mexican Shadow GTS... I have a Ported Swirl Head, T3T4 Turbo, 2.5" Cut Out, 3 Bar MAP and +40's now im wondering if the mexican SMEC has the same Pin Out of one yours becouse my car doesn't have O2 Sensor or EGR .... so this will cause CE Light turn on??? ....

ShelGame
03-03-2012, 11:30 AM
I'm looking forward to use the SMEC Stage IV for 2.2 MTX for my Mexican Shadow GTS... I have a Ported Swirl Head, T3T4 Turbo, 2.5" Cut Out, 3 Bar MAP and +40's now im wondering if the mexican SMEC has the same Pin Out of one yours becouse my car doesn't have O2 Sensor or EGR .... so this will cause CE Light turn on??? ....

Pinout should be the same. But, the cal does expect the O2 sensor. So, it will set the CEL without one.

I've actually been to Aguas. Very nice town...

AbiuX
03-03-2012, 01:43 PM
Pinout should be the same. But, the cal does expect the O2 sensor. So, it will set the CEL without one.

I've actually been to Aguas. Very nice town...

Ok so... I just have to put the pin for the O2 sensor... no problem what about the EGR??... here in México emissions are no problem.. sad i now.. but none of the turbo dodge have EGR here.

The two solenoids we have are one for the wastegate control and the other for the BOV.

Yeah you came here to visit Nissan right???

turbovanman²
03-03-2012, 02:54 PM
You can turn the EGR on or off in the code but pretty sure its turned off as we don't have them.

ShelGame
03-03-2012, 03:44 PM
You can turn the EGR on or off in the code but pretty sure its turned off as we don't have them.

Only California got EGR as far as I know...

turbovanman²
03-03-2012, 05:03 PM
Only California got EGR as far as I know...

True, those smog suckers, :eyebrows:

AbiuX
03-04-2012, 04:45 PM
Only California got EGR as far as I know...


True, those smog suckers, :eyebrows:

Ok... as soon as I burn the cal... i will feedback.. Thanks...

turbovanman²
03-06-2012, 06:26 PM
How do I load this to save. I think I have MP2, its a pale blue background. I've tried to save it to my burner but it won't save?

ShelGame
03-06-2012, 08:54 PM
How do I load this to save. I think I have MP2, its a pale blue background. I've tried to save it to my burner but it won't save?

The flash option in MPT2 is for the flashable computers, not the Burn2. You need to use the burn2 software.

turbovanman²
03-06-2012, 10:10 PM
The flash option in MPT2 is for the flashable computers, not the Burn2. You need to use the burn2 software.

When I go to load it up, it doesn't show up as a bin file like the ones I make in MP tuner do. Does it need compiling?

ShelGame
03-06-2012, 10:48 PM
Yeah, I guess I didn't put the .bin files in there. Just the template. So, just compile it in MPT2, then load up the .bin file in the Burn2 software....

wowzer
03-07-2012, 07:08 PM
actually, in mpt2 you should be able to flash directly to an ostrich device, a burn2 device or a flashable chip setup. when you start mpt2 it should automatically recognize if you have the ostrich or burn plugged in. i've got all 3 devices and periodically use them all for flashing/reading chips. just make sure you have the bin file loaded.

turbovanman²
03-07-2012, 07:16 PM
actually, in mpt2 you should be able to flash directly to an ostrich device, a burn2 device or a flashable chip setup. when you start mpt2 it should automatically recognize if you have the ostrich or burn plugged in. i've got all 3 devices and periodically use them all for flashing/reading chips. just make sure you have the bin file loaded.

Yeah, it did say Burn2 connected, but I still have to compile it though, or not? Still trying to navigate my way thru it, used to Dcal and Mp tuner, lol.

Sorry to hijack but how do you compile? There isn't a compile button?

ShelGame
03-07-2012, 07:50 PM
Sorry to hijack but how do you compile? There isn't a compile button?

If you load up the .tpl file, there should be a compile button in the top left region...

turbovanman²
03-07-2012, 07:56 PM
Found it, its right above the tables, about 1 inch down to the right, below the "group central" heading. Wasn't looking there, lol.

wowzer
03-07-2012, 10:48 PM
flash (bin) and compile (templates) buttons

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turbovanman²
03-08-2012, 12:12 AM
Hard to find if your not looking there, lol.

turbovanman²
03-12-2012, 02:19 PM
So far, the LM 2.5 cal works great, runs much better cold than the one I made up using his previous cals. Thanks.

88C/S
03-15-2012, 09:54 PM
Started using your SMEC_22_MTX stage IV cal. On startup it goes to 18.0+ on the wideband for several seconds and then bounces back to 14-15. I have a common block 2.2 with a fully ported and CC'd G-head with +1 valves and a 2-piece intake ported for a 52mm TB, TU cast header, 50 trim T3/T4 with a 0.63 stage II turbine housing, 3" v-band going to a 3" exhaust, and 96lbs injectors. Other than changing the injector setting from 52 to 96, what other changes/adjustments should I have made. Also, sometimes the wideband will drop to 10.0 and the engine wants to quit.

Force Fed Mopar
03-15-2012, 11:28 PM
Those injectors are probably closer to 100-102 pph at our fuel pressure. Also, for a fully ported head, the Pumping Efficiency table probably needs to be modified. And the G-head uses a different map timing, I believe the Stage cals are all set for swirl heads.

88C/S
03-16-2012, 12:23 AM
Yeah, I did change the map timing and pumping efficiency to closely match those from the T-SMEC_22_MTX_CUST_G which was T-SMEC_25_ATX_CUST_G before making changes for a 2.2 with a 5spd, also set base pressure to 44psi as I was told the injectors should flow 96lbs at 43.5. Hard to get 43.5 psi on the fuel pressure gauge, but I need glasses anyway. Was wondering what tweaks may be necessary. When cruising if I let up a little while pulling 10 to 20 inches of vac, the AFR would sometimes dip to 16-17+ until I apply a little pressure to the pedal, which happened tonight.
Oh, I am also running E85 instead of gas.

Force Fed Mopar
03-16-2012, 09:01 AM
To run E85 you have to scale for a lot more fuel. For instance, when I ran E85 on 58lb injectors, I had to scale for 33lb injectors to get the fuel close.

If you go into Setting (left side of the Tables) and click on AFR, there is an option for E85. Click that, and set the AFR at WOT (in the chart next to the options) to what you want, and it will give you an AFR line in the tables for you to match or refer to. It is not always perfect so you may have to add or subtract fuel still, but it should get you in the ballpark. Also make sure you have the engine size set correctly on that screen.

Here is a pic of the AFR settings screen.

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ShelGame
03-16-2012, 09:30 AM
Yeah, I did change the map timing and pumping efficiency to closely match those from the T-SMEC_22_MTX_CUST_G which was T-SMEC_25_ATX_CUST_G before making changes for a 2.2 with a 5spd, also set base pressure to 44psi as I was told the injectors should flow 96lbs at 43.5. Hard to get 43.5 psi on the fuel pressure gauge, but I need glasses anyway. Was wondering what tweaks may be necessary. When cruising if I let up a little while pulling 10 to 20 inches of vac, the AFR would sometimes dip to 16-17+ until I apply a little pressure to the pedal, which happened tonight.
Oh, I am also running E85 instead of gas.

With injectors that big, you're going to want to make sure the Injector latency table is accurate. You shoudl be able to get the latency table from the injector supplier. Are they Accel?

turbovanman²
03-16-2012, 01:29 PM
I am getting some error messages with the Stage IV cals.

wowzer
03-16-2012, 03:59 PM
which one specifically (t-lm stg IV?)? can u post the messages?

turbovanman²
03-16-2012, 04:15 PM
Sure, Stage IV SMEC-,I am getting-


Warning->X axis max should not be <= X axis min. Please review line:
;mpxaxis charge_temp 300 -200 degrees

Warning->X axis max should not be <= X axis min. Please review line:
;mpxaxis Delta_Speed 0 -4 mph

Warning->X axis max should not be <= X axis min. Please review line:
;mpxaxis Delta_Speed 0 -4 mph

Warning->X axis max should not be <= X axis min. Please review line:
;mpxaxis Delta_Speed 0 -4 mph

88C/S
03-16-2012, 04:39 PM
Where in MPTune do you find the injector latency table?

ShelGame
03-16-2012, 04:52 PM
Don't worry about those. They won't affect anything. They're fixed in the next release along with the new table grouping...

Force Fed Mopar
03-16-2012, 04:52 PM
Where in MPTune do you find the injector latency table?

FuelBatteryOffset table.

turbovanman²
03-16-2012, 05:33 PM
Don't worry about those. They won't affect anything. They're fixed in the next release along with the new table grouping...

Thanks.

88C/S
03-16-2012, 05:48 PM
Thanks. In regards to the manufacturer of the injectors, I had to ask my friend because he traded those to me for my 52 lbs injectors. He informed me the manufacturer is Trick Flow. I emailed them for the info as I couldn't find it on their website.

turbovanman²
03-16-2012, 05:53 PM
With injectors that big, you're going to want to make sure the Injector latency table is accurate. You shoudl be able to get the latency table from the injector supplier. Are they Accel?

This should probably be another thread but when or how do you know when it needs to be set. I've did some quick reading on the subject and they say all injectors need it setting. I have Bosch 80 lb injectors in the van.

zin
03-16-2012, 06:22 PM
Thanks. In regards to the manufacturer of the injectors, I had to ask my friend because he traded those to me for my 52 lbs injectors. He informed me the manufacturer is Trick Flow. I emailed them for the info as I couldn't find it on their website.

Trick Flow is just Summit's house "brand". They will be private labeled from some other maker, probably need to look at them closely to find a "maker's mark" to let you know who actually made them...

Mike

88C/S
03-16-2012, 06:32 PM
Thanks everybody for your input. In regards to the FuelBatteryOffset table, do I need to increase or decrease the pulse width on the curve. By the way, in spite of the particular AFR issue, the stage 4 cal works great-pulls really strong under boost.

My friend just reminded me that I need to give the cal time to learn, since I had burned and loaded it 36 hrs ago.:o

ShelGame
03-16-2012, 08:40 PM
Thanks everybody for your input. In regards to the FuelBatteryOffset table, do I need to increase or decrease the pulse width on the curve. By the way, in spite of the particular AFR issue, the stage 4 cal works great-pulls really strong under boost.

My friend just reminded me that I need to give the cal time to learn, since I had burned and loaded it 36 hrs ago.:o

I would guess that it needs to be decreased, but it really is unique to the injector...

Force Fed Mopar
03-18-2012, 09:15 AM
Trick Flow is just Summit's house "brand". They will be private labeled from some other maker, probably need to look at them closely to find a "maker's mark" to let you know who actually made them...

Mike

Trick Flow is a separate company, not part of Summit. They make heads and intakes and such for Mustangs.


Thanks everybody for your input. In regards to the FuelBatteryOffset table, do I need to increase or decrease the pulse width on the curve. By the way, in spite of the particular AFR issue, the stage 4 cal works great-pulls really strong under boost.

My friend just reminded me that I need to give the cal time to learn, since I had burned and loaded it 36 hrs ago.:o

There is no learning on our computers, not at WOT anyway.

zin
03-18-2012, 01:37 PM
Trick Flow is a separate company, not part of Summit. They make heads and intakes and such for Mustangs.

On paper perhaps, but when they asked us (NOS) to do a private label nitrous kit, the players where all Summit people. You'll also notice no other mail order places carry that brand for the same reasons. Not to say they don't source any of what they sell, they do, but simple stuff, things that might require assembly, but not much more than that. After all, it really is a way for Summit to "cherry pick" the highest profit/volume pieces of the "normal" manufacturers... I'll stop there before I go off on a tangent.

Mike

88C/S
03-20-2012, 12:22 AM
Found this through Google http://www.trickflow.com/egnsearch.asp?N=400098++4294925239+115+325483&autoview=sku . (http://www.trickflow.com/egnsearch.asp?N=400098++4294925239+115+325483&autoview=sku)

Was told by my friend that what he gave me for my injectors were the 95lbs/hr ones.

ShelGame
03-20-2012, 02:45 AM
I have the latency table for those in the spreadsheet I posted here - http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?64951-Injector-latency-how-to-tune-for-it&highlight=

I beleive those are the same as the 'Rochester' 95 lb injectors near the bottom of the list.

88C/S
03-20-2012, 04:43 AM
Thanks, are the values in milliseconds or microseconds.

ShelGame
03-20-2012, 08:50 AM
Thanks, are the values in milliseconds or microseconds.

Milliseconds...

1966 dart wagon
03-20-2012, 03:31 PM
Last night in installed the stage IV 2.5 mtx cal car idles high between 1500 and 2k i noticed if im driving and let off the gas, still in gear it goes rich into the 12s then the min i hit the gas it jumps back to 14.7. How can i adjust this. Also whenever im driving and am coasting in meutral the car idles over 2-3k then as i slow down it slowly drops to the lowest it idles around 1500-2k. Als when i go WOT. The fuel is around 11s then i get knock cel should i use less timing. How do i adjust this? What table anyways. Besides that great cal!

ShelGame
03-20-2012, 08:16 PM
Last night in installed the stage IV 2.5 mtx cal car idles high between 1500 and 2k i noticed if im driving and let off the gas, still in gear it goes rich into the 12s then the min i hit the gas it jumps back to 14.7. How can i adjust this. Also whenever im driving and am coasting in meutral the car idles over 2-3k then as i slow down it slowly drops to the lowest it idles around 1500-2k. Als when i go WOT. The fuel is around 11s then i get knock cel should i use less timing. How do i adjust this? What table anyways. Besides that great cal!

Which generation? LM, SMEC, SBEC...

1966 dart wagon
03-21-2012, 10:11 AM
Smec also it started to idle just below 1500 and at idle its rich at 12s for afr. I had a cel pop on while drivimg to work today ill investigate and get back to you

Also the traveler mpg is eay off i wish I got 99 miles per gallon

88C/S
03-21-2012, 10:20 PM
Those latency values worked. Have not had the AFR go to 18+ on startup. Added a point on the curve for 10v and guessed where the points for 5v and 8v needed to be.

turbovanman²
03-28-2012, 07:22 PM
Rob, your stage II LM cal, I went into settings, afr and you have the 2.5 version set for a 2.2 and none of the AF values are set, is that ok?

ShelGame
03-29-2012, 08:46 AM
Rob, your stage II LM cal, I went into settings, afr and you have the 2.5 version set for a 2.2 and none of the AF values are set, is that ok?

Yeah, I didn't do anything with the AFR setup. You can do that yourself if you want to tweak it. All those settings do is draw the yellow line on the 3 main fuel tables so that you can overlay the fuel tables with your desired A/F. They don't affect the cal directly. At least not yet...

turbovanman²
03-29-2012, 02:37 PM
Ok, just checking, thanks.

turbovanman²
03-29-2012, 05:17 PM
I took a ton of fuel out of this cal and she's still a bit rich, he was getting 200km's to a tank, which works out to around 10 mpg. I'll post up what I did later.

turbovanman²
03-29-2012, 08:50 PM
I had no oxgyen sensor toggling, sensor was pegged rich. I finally got the sensor to toggle at idle and at most throttle positions under 3000 rpm after I was done. Still wanted to hang rich at a few points but good enough I hope.

Ok, here they are.

385953859638597

Force Fed Mopar
03-29-2012, 11:36 PM
I had no oxgyen sensor toggling, sensor was pegged rich. I finally got the sensor to toggle at idle and at most throttle positions under 3000 rpm after I was done. Still wanted to hang rich at a few points but good enough I hope.

Ok, here they are.

385953859638597

What mods does the engine have?

turbovanman²
03-30-2012, 01:02 AM
What mods does the engine have?

Muffler. Its a bone stock 2.5 TI, one piece intake, stock 89 roller cam, garrett turbo, factory airbox, no ic, stock injectors, stock 2.5" dp with a small aftermarket cat, 2" exhaust, Magnaflow muffler, 10 psi, stock auto with stock converter, 2.60 final drive.

wowzer
03-30-2012, 01:16 AM
simon - i'll send those cals back to you tomorrow (friday). check your email for more info.

turbovanman²
03-30-2012, 02:56 AM
simon - i'll send those cals back to you tomorrow (friday). check your email for more info.

Thanks, I and others can't thank you guys enough for what you do for us, :nod:

Force Fed Mopar
03-30-2012, 07:34 AM
Muffler. Its a bone stock 2.5 TI, one piece intake, stock 89 roller cam, garrett turbo, factory airbox, no ic, stock injectors, stock 2.5" dp with a small aftermarket cat, 2" exhaust, Magnaflow muffler, 10 psi, stock auto with stock converter, 2.60 final drive.

Just noticed you said Stage II, but I know I tried a T-SMEC Stage IV a while back on my Lebaron and found it rich too.

1966 dart wagon
03-30-2012, 09:05 AM
I am tunning iv and its rich at idle perfect at cruise and lean at wot hopefully with some adjusting i can get it fixed tonight. Any idea hpw to correct the traveler mpg? It says 99mpg most of the time.

AbiuX
04-28-2012, 10:35 PM
Just burn a Stage 2 Cal.. SMEC 2.2 MTX... make some wierd actions.. first the CEL and fuel pump didn't turn on .. also the fan started to turn hhahaha O.o!! and the ASD went crazy starts to clic...clic....clic.... and the Tach went crazy hahaha... the pinout is different or I fail in burning the cal???.

ShelGame
07-10-2012, 03:14 PM
The fuel injector scaling for 3 constants was wrong. wowzer updated MP Tune to correct the scaling. But, if you have a current cal and want to fix the tables, they are:

PWMIN_NoCellUpdateBelow_PWMIN_Pulsewidth
FUELTR_FuelMonitorConversionFactor
POSFUL_AisEnrichmentFuelPulse (only in the SMEC and SBEC code)

PWMIN probably had minimal effect; FUELTR obviously affected the navigator fuel economy figures; and the POSFUL would have an effect on idle fueling and will be worse for bigger injectors. POSFUL is only in the SMEC and SBEC codebases.

If everything is working fine in your cal, I wouldn't worry about it. But, if you have a rich idle issue or want to fix the navigator FE display, you'll need to manually scale these values. Scale them by this formula:

scaling factor = current value * (34.9/injflowrate)^2

MP Tune scaling factors for the common injectors (scale each of the 3 tables above by this factor using 'right click, scale table' from the pop-up menu):

+20's --> 69%
+40's --> 45%
72's --> 23%

I'll be updating the stage cals soon with these values corrected.

ShelGame
07-11-2012, 10:51 AM
Stag cals have been updated...

iangoround
07-13-2012, 02:23 PM
Stag cals have been updated...

Thanks! Very big improvement in the idle AFR with the stage IV LM cal. I was idling at 11-12 before I updated and now it bounces right around 14.7 after about a minute of warmup and goes immediately back to that at idle at stop lights.

1966 dart wagon
09-09-2012, 12:33 PM
I dont have a scan tool yet, but the cel from knock is turned on and when it gets colder outside and while cruising down the interstate the cel will pop on from time to time, I drove 70 miles one way friday night and on the way there the car was great, 14.7 afrs no cels, and over 40mpg on traveler(which is wrong) going 80 the whole time, on the way back, take note it was colder, I was going 70-75, getting CEL's every couple mintues and 30mpg reading, I just tested the IAT sensor which is reading out of its perimeters, I'll start there.

vxvxAndrewxvxv
10-09-2012, 11:26 PM
Quick question: I had a pretty decent cal put together back when I was messing with Chem2 or whatever it was, never got to try it. Now I'm trying to use the new software. Do we have anything I can use as a comparison or baseline for a 2.2 with a G-head?

I've got an 85 charger 2.2 with the the G-head (287) bathtub, 88 TBI roller cam, seimens 55 lb injectors, MTX, 2.5in swingvalve with 2.5 inch exhaust, Rebuilt Garett T2 turbo with some slight modifications. Going to shoot for 18 lbs.

roachjuice
10-10-2012, 09:42 AM
Just burn a Stage 2 Cal.. SMEC 2.2 MTX... make some wierd actions.. first the CEL and fuel pump didn't turn on .. also the fan started to turn hhahaha O.o!! and the ASD went crazy starts to clic...clic....clic.... and the Tach went crazy hahaha... the pinout is different or I fail in burning the cal???. either you burned the cal with the wrong offset or you have a bad chip. or you made a cal for a different ecu.

turbovanman²
06-20-2013, 04:26 AM
Trying to load a stage II cal, keep getting an error message and it won't load, I have the current version of MPtune.

It says the file may already be open??? and "an entry with the same key already exists" ?

wowzer
06-20-2013, 09:54 AM
post the cal and asm file and i'll take a look.

turbovanman²
06-20-2013, 01:21 PM
Its the Stage II SBEC cal on page 1 in this thread.

- - - Updated - - -

Ok, I give up, I can't log in at work unless I use a proxy server but just loaded up that Stage II, I can surf at home but can't load up the staged cal, WTF?????????? :banghead:

- - - Updated - - -

How do I unlock the cal to make changes? Can't find the common part in the cal to turn off the CAT sensor and one more, lol, I see the injectors are set at 34.9 lbs, is that ok?

wowzer
06-20-2013, 03:45 PM
simon - i just loaded all 4 sbec ii template (.tpl) files and they all loaded without error!?!

turbovanman²
06-20-2013, 04:06 PM
See my last post, I got it to work at work but how do you unlock it?

wowzer
06-20-2013, 05:45 PM
does it say "Locked" at the bottom left corner? if so just double click on the word and it should "Unlock".

turbovanman²
06-20-2013, 06:19 PM
Nevermind, got it unlocked but can't get the cal to work, I have his first batch of latch adapters, I think he was having issues?

MoparStephen
06-28-2013, 09:06 PM
Just wanted to say I tried your T_LM_22_MTX_S-III and damn - what a difference compared to the old cal (FWD Performance Stage 5 which sucked bad). I am still having a few issues, but I will read through the nearly 100 pages of info before asking questions :) I just received my Ostrich 2 today, so tomorrow I will attempt to get MPTune working.

ShelGame
06-28-2013, 10:46 PM
Nevermind, got it unlocked but can't get the cal to work, I have his first batch of latch adapters, I think he was having issues?

Mine? I didn't think I sold any of the 'bad' ones I made...

Does the board have any kind of number on it?

turbovanman²
06-29-2013, 02:17 AM
Mine? I didn't think I sold any of the 'bad' ones I made...

Does the board have any kind of number on it?

Sorry, its not yours, but the first guy to make them, but that's ok, I borrowed Blue Shadow's burner so I can burn a chip that doesn't need a latch adapter.

ShelGame
01-11-2014, 10:35 PM
Just uploaded updated 2.2 LM Stage Cals (all - II, III, IV). There was an incorrect value for the AIS motor that would cause a high idle. The 2.5 LM cals and all the SMEC/SBEC cals did not have that issue.

MoparStephen
01-13-2014, 10:59 PM
Cool - my cars tucked away for the next few months, but the good news is, I feel I have enough miles on it from last year (2,000 on a fresh motor), to attempt some Dyno time this year :)

ShelGame
09-02-2014, 09:04 AM
Long overdue - All SMEC Stage Cal Files updated to T/SMEC v19.5.

These now have all the latest features. They're not enabled by default, but can be turned on and tuned by the user when desired. Also, many bug fixes and calibration error corrections (especially in the 2.2 files).

moparzrule
11-04-2014, 07:35 AM
The ASM file is missing in the stage 3 SBEC files, and stage 4 as well. But I got the asm from the stage 2 and it seems to work.

turbovanman²
11-06-2014, 10:33 PM
Thanks again.

ShelGame
12-14-2014, 10:54 PM
All the SMEC Stage cals are now updated to V19.6 (fixes an issue that prevented the main rev limiter from working).

ajakeski
05-06-2017, 05:09 PM
Burned and installed a SMEC 2.5 ATX Stage II cal for the Spirit today. Runs great! Thanks!