Billet A413 Differential Covers

[lengel]

In the next month Im going to be making (4) a 413 diff covers. They will be 3D CNC machined out of a 2"x10"x9" piece of 6061 aluminum and will have a 1/2" thick wall. Price will be $250 If anyone else wants one let me know so I can order more aluminum.

Thanks Adam

[RoadWarrior222]

Since my aluminum case at about double the thickness of the steel diff cover was the only site of perforation* when I trashed my diff, I have to ask, what is the advantage of these??? :confused:



(*Knocked plenty of dents in the diff cover though)

[contraption22]

For one thing they will be nice and thick and rigid. I have never been able to get a stamped steel diff cover to completely seal because they usually bend slightly when you pry them off after being glued on with ATF sealant.

I am in for one.

[lengel]

For one thing they will be nice and thick and rigid. I have never been able to get a stamped steel diff cover to completely seal because they usually bend slightly when you pry them off after being glued on with ATF sealant.

I am in for one.

Got you on the list!


Since my aluminum case at about double the thickness of the steel diff cover was the only site of perforation* when I trashed my diff, I have to ask, what is the advantage of these??? :confused:



(*Knocked plenty of dents in the diff cover though)

The one guy that asked me to make them has been cracking the case in that area. He feels that the 1/2" aluminum cover will be more rigid then the 1/16 stamped steel cover, and can only help the problem.

[turbovanman²]

Oh why oh why can't I be rich, I would love one but damn, just can't afford to drop $250.

What about an oil pan?

[contraption22]

Oh why oh why can't I be rich, I would love one but damn, just can't afford to drop $250.

What about an oil pan?

I don't really have the money to spare right now either, it's going to come out of what I usually put away each month. But I know that if I don't get in on this now, I will wish i had.

[ShelGame]

Oh why oh why can't I be rich, I would love one but damn, just can't afford to drop $250.

What about an oil pan?

Ditto on the oil pan. Deep well, too; with a drain plug built in.

[glhs727]

put me down for an a413 cover as well.....

[RoadWarrior222]

The one guy that asked me to make them has been cracking the case in that area. He feels that the 1/2" aluminum cover will be more rigid then the 1/16 stamped steel cover, and can only help the problem.

That actually makes sense :D

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For one thing they will be nice and thick and rigid. I have never been able to get a stamped steel diff cover to completely seal because they usually bend slightly when you pry them off after being glued on with ATF sealant.

hmmm, beat mine flat again, knocked out the more obvious dents, resealed fine. Black RTV. Clean surfaces with brake cleaner. Criss cross tighten the bolts snug then torque to spec. Basic procedures.

[turbovanman²]

That cover and a better oil pan will surely help the case from flexing, :nod:

[Chris W]

We'll take one as well Adam.

Thanks for producing these for the community!

Chris-TU

[RoadWarrior222]

and a better oil pan will surely help the case from flexing, :nod:Oil pan seems fairly rigid to me, but it doesn't hold on much thickness, i.e. can slop on the bolts... and the bolts don't hold very tight, really easy to strip out... so I dunno if it would need more work than just a pan to add rigidity down there.

Though there's some clearance.. not a lot, I'm thinking some sort of X brace and antislosh baffle in one, that you bolt in...

[zin]

I'm wondering if a 1/4" steel "girdle" and some studs would accomplish the same effect, though with much less style!

Mike

[Vigo]

I think the people who need this piece, know how valuable it could be..

Props for taking it on!

Shel-game, im not saying a nice deep pan with a built-in drain plug wouldnt be nice, but i add my own drain plugs. That and the reusable mopar gasket makes an auto 96% less annoying to work on.

[turbo2point2]

I'm in for one Adam, thanks for getting these to market. I mentioned to Adam that I felt these would add another degree of stiffness in the diff area of our cases. Just finished building a new trans because of cracking issues. I'll try and post a pic.

[Ondonti]

Hmm Bayshore Power is looking to run some deep 8's on his 3 speed with piggish weight so I wonder if he is beefed up in that area...

[GLHS320]

I'll take one also Adam.

[turbo2point2]

Hmm Bayshore Power is looking to run some deep 8's on his 3 speed with piggish weight so I wonder if he is beefed up in that area...

The 31th case has a lot of added material and extra ribbing throughout the case. Definitely a plus for the extra weight of that he carries.

[GLHNSLHT2]

same theory as to why mopar went to a aluminum 5th gear cover on the 523/568 IMO. Can't do nothing but help. If I was keeping my 413 I'd be in for one.

[turbovanman²]

same theory as to why mopar went to a aluminum 5th gear cover on the 523/568 IMO. Can't do nothing but help. If I was keeping my 413 I'd be in for one.

I thought you were?

[GLHNSLHT2]

were what simon?

[turbovanman²]

were what simon?

Running the auto, you mentioned before you wanted to beef one up.

[GLHNSLHT2]

that was until a 2.4 turbo/41te showed up on my shop floor. Soon as I get the 2.5 Masi setup in and going the 2.4 is replacing the 2.2 8v/413 combo.

[turbovanman²]

Gotcha.

[lengel]

WOW alot of interest in these! More then I thought anyway. Im going to be ordering the aluminum for these on tuesday, as of now we have 9 guys that want one. I dont plan on making any extra due to the cost of the aluminum. So if anyone else wants one let me know by tuesday. The covers will also have a 1/8" o-ring groove machined into the cover, so no more permatex! Thanks guys for all the positive comments! Cant wait to get the first one done! These are going to be one AWSOME piece of aluminum.

[turbovanman²]

I want one but can't justify it at this point, :banghead:

[contraption22]

The covers will also have a 1/8" o-ring groove machined into the cover, so no more permatex!

Schwing!!!

[minigts]

Is there any consideration to have covers made for other transmissions or is this something specific to a 413 that wouldn't benefit a 555 or 568? I know the covers aren't universal (I don't think), just asking. Regardless, I'm looking forward to seeing it. I love it when you guys custom make parts for our cars because they are usually better than what the engineers thought of with a LOT more R&D and money involved. Very impressive. :)

[135sohc]

The worthwhile manual transmissions already have a thick cast aluminum cover for the differential, its also machine matched to the case as its part of differential support and not just a bolt on and go part.

On the 413 its just a cover, like a oil pan tipped up on its side.

[minigts]

Oh ok. Yeah I don't know jack about the autos. :p Thanks for the info and still looking forward to what is brought to the community!

[RoadWarrior222]

because they are usually better than what the engineers thought of with a LOT more R&D and money involved. Very impressive. :)
This is one end of "that" argument where both extremes are silly... The factory engineers worked within the constraints of price, suitability to intended purpose, and ease of production assembly. Therefore the brief was something like "Costs 25c, can be screwed on by a robot or permafried union worker and holds hmmm, probably 150HP and 200ftlb is all we're ever gonna want out of it" ... though they possibly snuck themselves in some margin in case it ever went in a V6 commercial, and they were told to make it work... Anyway, point being that yes, if they were told in the first place it had to help hold 500+ HP and the budget was there for individual machining to fit... I think they might have come up with something pretty damn good...

The other silly extreme of course is "If it was faster/better/lighter/made it handle/gave better mpg... .... they'd do it at the factory." ... nope for the same reason..... unless you're buying a hand built supercar for several hundred thousands... (Though mpg may or may not apply depending whether they are endurance racing the thing)

Not, either, that I decry the efforts of individuals and our vendors to make better parts. Yes they're necessary.

However, with manufacturers these days doing finite element analysis to remove every last fraction of a gram of non-essential material, with more computer horsepower in a room than existed on the planet when these were laid out, we'll come to find that we've got it pretty good.

[lengel]

Ok guys this sucks! I went to order the aluminum yesterday, because they said it would be coming in tuesday. Now they tell me it will be another 40 day till they get it in! As you guys know aluminum is not cheap, and this place had the best price I could find. I just cant wait another 40 days. So if anyone knows of a good place that sells 2"x10" flat bar 6061 at a reasonable price let me know.

Thanks Adam

[contraption22]

Try this place?

http://www.ordermetal.com/products.html

[turbovanman²]

Ok guys this sucks! I went to order the aluminum yesterday, because they said it would be coming in tuesday. Now they tell me it will be another 40 day till they get it in! As you guys know aluminum is not cheap, and this place had the best price I could find. I just cant wait another 40 days. So if anyone knows of a good place that sells 2"x10" flat bar 6061 at a reasonable price let me know.

Thanks Adam

People might not have an issue waiting, lets people save up, lol.

[contraption22]

People might not have an issue waiting, lets people save up, lol.

Agreed. I'll have the money when you need it, but a little more time won't bother me.

["Top Fuel" Bender]

Moses B Glick Llc
58 Hartz Road, Fleetwood, PA
(610) 921-8848

similar place to Mike's but closer to us
leftovers from larger jobs
pay per lb

I can Bethlehem Aluminum for you with my discount if you want?

[bakes]

People might not have an issue waiting, lets people save up, lol.
+2 i know i would be into it and mabey Don as wel.

[lengel]

Try this place?

http://www.ordermetal.com/products.html

Yeah I called them but they dont have inventory of the surplus aluminum.


Moses B Glick Llc
58 Hartz Road, Fleetwood, PA
(610) 921-8848

similar place to Mike's but closer to us
leftovers from larger jobs
pay per lb

I can Bethlehem Aluminum for you with my discount if you want?

Im going to try Moses glick this week if they dont have anything I may take you up on that offer. Do you know if bethlem aluminum sells 2"x10" flat bar? Not many places sell it that wide thats why I ask. If they do I need 7 feet of it.

Thanks for your help
Adam

[cordes]

The worthwhile manual transmissions already have a thick cast aluminum cover for the differential, its also machine matched to the case as its part of differential support and not just a bolt on and go part.

On the 413 its just a cover, like a oil pan tipped up on its side.

Since Jon runs a 525 still, that could be a possibility for him, although it would still be very weak due to the design of the case around the diff.

["Top Fuel" Bender]

Since Moses took over they got there stuff organized and will check the yard if you ask nicely

I've gotten 1.5" x 8" from Bethlehem before so..... hopefully

[RoadWarrior222]

Is the metal thing sorted yet? Just been hearing about this place on another forum, getting rave reviews...
http://www.buffalosteel.net/Buffalo-Steel-Home

Though that's been for steel, but they do aluminum too.

[lengel]

I called Moses B Glick Llc and they didnt have the size I need. They were very nice to deal with. they took the size I needed checked what they had and called me back within the the hour. At $1.60 per LB. they would have been the best priced. To bad the didnt have it. Anyway I going to PM Bruce and see what price he can get from bethlehem aluminum. If I cant get it from Bruce Ill just wait the 40 days.


Adam

[lengel]

OK guys finally slowing up a bit at work. I got the first side of the cover done. It came out nice and uses a 9" ID o-ring for the seal. Hopefully I will have the 2nd side done in the next week or so.


Adam


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[turbo2point2]

Bada$$! Awesome stuff Adam.

[turbovanman²]

Holy f'ng tranny porn, lol. :hail:

[contraption22]

Awesome! I'm still in for one.

[wheming]

Is it too late to get in?



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[lengel]

Thanks guys! I think im going to get this first one done, and have brian test it fit it on his trans. After it is test fit, and all is good I think I will do a group buy.


Adam

[ShelGame]

Status?

[lengel]

sad to say, nothing new. I think its going to be a winter project.

[contraption22]

Awesome! I'm still in for one.

[turbovanman²]

Cool, the longer the better then I can save up, lol.

[minigts]

Awesome! I'm still in for one.


Awesome! I'm still in for one.

Mike your posting bot is on repeat.

[contraption22]

Mike your posting bot is on repeat.

Awesome! I'm still in for one.

[lengel]

Good thins take time I guess. Lol!

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[Warren Stramer]

Very nice!!!

[wheming]

Wow! Where was i in this group buy? I looked and it was way back in 2011. I think i was on the other forum at that time.

Is this going to open up again at dome point? I might want to take advantage.

[Mr overkill]

Dam how much. Can I assume this will strengthen the differential area

[zin]

Dang! How'd I miss this one?!!

Me thinks me needs one... Let me know when/where I need to send $$

Mike

[lengel]

Very nice!!!
Thanks! Means a lot coming from a guy with your skills!

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[lengel]

Wow! Where was i in this group buy? I looked and it was way back in 2011. I think i was on the other forum at that time.

Is this going to open up again at dome point? I might want to take advantage.
Yeah I will be making 9 more of these in the next month. Only reason for 10 total is that is how much aluminum I bought back in 2012. I'm going to finish those 9 and offer them first to the people that wanted one back in 2012. If any of those people are not interested anymore it will be offered to the next person in line. If more then the initial 10 covers are wanted I will do more but not at the quoted $250 since I will need to buy more aluminum and I know Im not going to get it as cheap as I did back in 2012.

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[lengel]

Dam how much. Can I assume this will strengthen the differential area
Yes strengthen the diff area and the top and bottom were extended so braces could be tied in as well

See above post for price.

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[Mr overkill]

I would be in for one if one came available

[wheming]

Just let me, (and i guess others) know where we fall in the list.
You know i'm good for it.
And thank you again for providing us some cool stuff. Please, keep 'em coming! ;)


Edit: hey wait, i just went back through all the posts and i did post back in 2012! Am i already on the list?

[A.J.]

I might be interested, depending on my success of controlling a 41TE with Megasquirt. I'm sure I'll be able to sell it for what I paid if I can't use it.

[forcedfedmopar]

I'd like to be on the list, let me know where I fall. Will it clear an spacer and obx?

[onerippinturbo2]

put me in for one as well adam.

[lengel]

I'd like to be on the list, let me know where I fall. Will it clear an spacer and obx?
Yes it will the sealing side dimensionally matches the stock cover.

put me in for one as well adam.
Will do

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[ajakeski]

I want one. Put me on the list!

[contraption22]

I'm still in for one!

[jcronk23]

I'm still in for one!

Repost bot still engaged....

[Reeves]

Wow...I don't have an auto in anything at this point but I want one! LOL

[nvysion]

I want one as well

[onerippinturbo2]

any news on these??

[GLHS320]

Somehow i missed this, I'm still in for one. Get a hold of me when you need money.

[wheming]

Was there a group buy for the side gear cover also? Both would be pretty sweet!

[lengel]

Was there a group buy for the side gear cover also? Both would be pretty sweet!
No I never did side covers


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[onerippinturbo2]

any status of the diff covers??

[lengel]

any status of the diff covers??
I have the first side (sealing side) are done on all 10. The second side program has to be modified due to some clearance issues. Just have not had the time lately to dig into it and get it done.

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[GLHS320]

Thanks for the update it will be a great addition to our arsenal.


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[ajakeski]

Any update? I have a Peloquin to install in my van soon...

[lengel]

Still need to modify the second side program (outside of the cover) due to clearance issues. This is on the winter to do list.

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[minigts]

I'm still holding out for the 525 cover.

[Reeves]

I'm still holding out for the A555 cover.

[minigts]

I'm still holding out for the A555 cover.

Damn skippy!

[lengel]

Think of the possibilities! The 525 could be the new 555 LoL 😂

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[Ondonti]

Down payment pressure needed?

[lengel]

Down payment pressure needed?Guess you took notice I get thing done when I have people's money. Lol!

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[turbovanman²]

Put me down for one, also can pay a deposit or the whole amount. :nod:

Make a pan too and make it a combo deal. :eyebrows: