factory bobble struts.

[raccoon]

one on the left is from a 88 shadow A520
the one on the right is from a 88 reliant A520
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I kinda wanna use the solid one, anyone else using this? or seen one like this?

[135sohc]

I thought only the L body's w/525 used that 'dog bone' solid link ?

[supercrackerbox]

That's what I thought. I don't even see how that bracket could bolt to a 520. It doesn't have that bump for the cast diff cover.

[cordes]

Wasn't 86' the last year that all non-L body cars had the 525? Even then the dog bone mount shouldn't work with a non 525.

[supercrackerbox]

Wasn't 86' the last year that all non-L body cars had the 525? Even then the dog bone mount shouldn't work with a non 525.

I believe you're right.


Now, that's not to say that a dog bone bracket couldn't be modified to fit the later transmissions. When I made the brackets to use the rod shifter on the 555 in my Charger, I modified a Daytona bobble strut bracket to match up with the ears on my K-frame simply because I had a near-new PB bobble strut left over from my Daytona. There's no reason the inverse couldn't be done.

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Of course, if you're putting a 520 into a non-L body car, you can just get the above mentioned solid bobble strut from Johnny and call it a day.

[raccoon]

dog bone defiantly came off the A520 im driving around on. date on the tranny is mid 1988. both bolt up fine to the transmission.

[Ondonti]

Some spacers and a custom dog bone and it looks like it would work. Probably weigh less then the bobble setup.

[Juggy]

I wonder if someone can flip the dog bone 180 degrees and be able to mount it on the bobble strut K frame tab??

the part that has my mind boggled is the fact they look like they have the same spacing when i believe it was the dog bone that was more towards the driver side by an inch?

[raccoon]

no spacers. it all just bolts up.

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[Juggy]

no spacers. it all just bolts up.

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I WANT ONE!!!!

thats awesome.....it would help create some extra room to work with under the turbo!!

[raccoon]

ill check if my reliant has the same mount, its not kept nearby so might be a bit. but if its the same, then all 88 reliants with a manual should have it. i know my sig says 87 but its not, the computer is under the hood. im going to fix that now.

[supercrackerbox]

the part that has my mind boggled is the fact they look like they have the same spacing when i believe it was the dog bone that was more towards the driver side by an inch?

That was just a 525 thing. All the '86- older Daytonas, Lasers, etc that originally had the 525 and were swapped to a later trans had to account for the offset ears.

[Juggy]

That was just a 525 thing. All the '86- older Daytonas, Lasers, etc that originally had the 525 and were swapped to a later trans had to account for the offset ears.

yeah i know that part. been there done that with the charger ;) so has anyone else seen this dog bone mount from the factory, for 520/555 trans' ???
first i have seen or heard of this.....

[raccoon]

I checked my reliant a few days ago, its sporting the same dogbone and A520. id guess its a cost cutting thing, this thing is base base, not even a passing mirror. so no surprize its got a simpler part.

Id say all A520 reliants have it.

[JohnnyIroc]

wow i have never heard of this either, we need to have these remade!

[Johnny]

Saw this in the yard a couple days ago. Took a photo for you....

[supercrackerbox]

Learn something new every day I guess. I always thought that was an L-body only thing.

[turbovanman²]

Learn something new every day I guess. I always thought that was an L-body only thing.

Me too.

Now if I could get one with slighter harder rubber and not poly, makes the van vibrate, :(

[Johnny]

Could make the poly softer, but it would hammer out.

[turbovanman²]

Could make the poly softer, but it would hammer out.

Rubber one lasted me 3 or 4 years before it got oil soaked and them hammered out.

[Johnny]

You using one of my bobble struts?

[turbovanman²]

You using one of my bobble struts?

No, stock L body dog bone, modified an L body setup to fit the van. I did try one last year but it was simply too hard, the engine buzzed the whole van badly, :( so put the rubber one back in.

[Johnny]

Maybe I'll redo the dogbone design and use a larger bushing for more vibration isolation...if there is room.

[turbovanman²]

Maybe I'll redo the dogbone design and use a larger bushing for more vibration isolation...if there is room.

Tons of room, you can clearly see how big the rubber bushing is.

[Johnny]

Yes, but it is tall not wide.

[turbovanman²]

Yes, but it is tall not wide.

Still a big bushing. I'd be interested.

[boboli]

Any one have one of these brackets they would like to part with. I am putting a 523 in my omni and already have the PB dogbone, so this would really make it easier to put this all together.

[Force Fed Mopar]

Saw this in the yard a couple days ago. Took a photo for you....

That must have been a 525 car, bracket is different. 5-spd wagon FTW though.

Johnny, you should get someone to loan you one of these 520 dogbone brackets to copy so you can sell a kit for L-bodies ;) Still be offset at the K-frame, but that's the easy part.

[daver]

Huh, didn't know these were a big secret. Have found these on 87 P-bodies, I think typically pretty base-model cars. I've swapped these in place of the bobble-strut setup on all of my turbo-dodges.

One of my cars had been running an old LRE-modified dogbone, basically stock dogbone cut in half with a solid link on one side, so only one side rubber.

I would be interested in a replacement dogbone with perhaps larger and softer poly bushings, or a larger sized poly bushing on one end and solid on the other.

[amx364]

33387Or something like this? It would work for a daily driver if it had the shock rubber mounting on both ends.33388

[Johnny]

What is the OD of the steel part outside the rubber bushing?

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And once bolted in place how much room between it and something like the k-frame or tranny part?

[Johnny]

Got a new dogbone style in the works, one with more "cushion".
Need width of stock dogbone.
Need length from hole to hole (center to center)

[turbovanman²]

Also, each end is 2" long with the bushing centered.

[Johnny]

Ok, the metal sleeves are 1.55", eye to eye is 3.5"
Thanks Simon!!!!!!

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Is the K-car and Shadow dogbones the same size????

[turbovanman²]

Thanks Simon!!!!!!

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Is the K-car and Shadow dogbones the same size????

I personally have no idea, the measurements I gave you are for an L body.

[Johnny]

Thanks Simon, I figured that, but the question is to anyone that might know...as have one to measure and compare.

[Johnny]

I know now, just went to the yard i knoe had one, (i took and posted the photo earlier) and
Picked that one up, bracket and all.

[turbovanman²]

i know now, just went to the yard i knoe had one, (i took and posted the photo earlier) and
picked that one up, bracket and all.

and?????

[Johnny]

It is still in the tool box. I am at my high school reunion for the day.

[Johnny]

Found a tape measure here. It is also 3-1/2 inches long, eye to eye.
Width looks close too, but will remeasure when i get back to the shop.
Looks to me so far that it is the same as the L body.

[Johnny]

Ok, the metal sleeves are 1.55", eye to eye is 3.5"

This one is 1-3/8" not 1-1/2" wide at the inner steel sleeve.

[BadAssPerformance]

Learn something new every day I guess. I always thought that was an L-body only thing.

Nope, more an A525 thing... Interesting to see it on a non-L 1988 tho... is it just the "K" cars then, cuz not G, H, J, P...

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Huh, didn't know these were a big secret. Have found these on 87 P-bodies, I think typically pretty base-model cars. I've swapped these in place of the bobble-strut setup on all of my turbo-dodges.

One of my cars had been running an old LRE-modified dogbone, basically stock dogbone cut in half with a solid link on one side, so only one side rubber.

I would be interested in a replacement dogbone with perhaps larger and softer poly bushings, or a larger sized poly bushing on one end and solid on the other.

Missed this post... wow, even p-bodies... mayeb it was a base thing then... up level got the damper... neat. Now we need to collect the brackets :)

[Johnny]

neat. Now we need to collect the brackets

WHY...bobble struts are better anyway.

[BadAssPerformance]

Just another way to replace a shock with a quick solid mount ...

BTW I got one of your PB boblbes, need to try it on something!

[turbovanman²]

This one is 1-3/8" not 1-1/2" wide at the inner steel sleeve.

Could be production tolerances, washer's would fix that.


WHY...bobble struts are better anyway.

Why? when you go solid, I would assume both are the same. To me, the dogbone is better as even when rubber, it does a better job of holding the engine and no vibration transfer.

[Johnny]

You want it adjustable too?

[turbovanman²]

You want it adjustable too?

The dog bone, nope, not for me, but maybe others. I have it setup to use the factory specs per say but others might. I set it up so it pulls the motor up, at the rear, as when I went TIII, the compressor was hitting my IC pipes.

[Johnny]

I set it up so it pulls the motor up, at the rear,

Thats why it vibrates with mine, it should be adjusted to a neutral position while just sitting.

[Johnny]

Photos of the dogbone and bracket I picked up off that k car wagon.

[turbovanman²]

Thats why it vibrates with mine, it should be adjusted to a neutral position while just sitting.

Nope, as the front was adjusted to be neutral, it simply transmits too much vibration, especially being a 2.5 without BS's, :(


Photos of the dogbone and bracket I picked up off that k car wagon.

Looks identical to an L body. I have another one I can measure, I can't see Dodge making 2 different ones.

[Johnny]

I can't see Dodge making 2 different ones.
I agree.

BUT I check and it is a little narrower than the L body ones.

[BadAssPerformance]

Maybe just a A525 bracket and A520 one?

[turbovanman²]

I agree.

BUT I check and it is a little narrower than the L body ones.

I'll double check my other one in a bit.

[GLHNSLHT2]

so these brackets allow you to use the dog bone with a later 520 tranny and a later kmember (tabs on the kmember moved over from where they are up to 86)? Or allow you to use the later tranny with the early kmember tab location?

[turbovanman²]

I guess Dodge made 2 dogbones, dummy's.

[Johnny]

so these brackets allow you to use the dog bone with a later 520 tranny and a later kmember (tabs on the kmember moved over from where they are up to 86)? Or allow you to use the later tranny with the early kmember tab location?

GOOD question!!!

[Johnny]

I made a dogbone with larger bushings for better vibration isolation.
The photo shows the adjustable one I make now along with the new one.

[Force Fed Mopar]

so these brackets allow you to use the dog bone with a later 520 tranny and a later kmember (tabs on the kmember moved over from where they are up to 86)? Or allow you to use the later tranny with the early kmember tab location?

Pretty sure it drops it down in line w/ the later k-frame mount. If you use this bracket in an early car or an l-body, you will still need a new k-frame bracket or add a tab to it cause it will mount on the outside of the original.

[turbovanman²]

I made a dogbone with larger bushings for better vibration isolation.
The photo shows the adjustable one I make now along with the new one.

Ohhhh, sexy, :nod:

[Johnny]

I know you want one........

[turbovanman²]

I know you want one........

PM me, :faint: