85 GLH-T build

[unluckyty]

After being motivated, by reading some of the project cars, I felt the need to start my own.

Classic story of average 80's turbo mopar, that is to be improved upon in performance.

Picked up the GLH last year, stripped it down to let it air out, and to see what is needed to be done, pull drive train etc.

Engine two cracked pistons, broken trans mounting ear on back of block.:(

Car was relatively rust free, no waite the front floors are rusted were the factory seam sealer was applied:(

Will update soon,http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5487.jpghttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5554.jpg
Greg

[unluckyty]

Now we present the Flintstone TM mod,http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5556.jpghttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5557.jpg

Yes! I wasn't sure it would have this mod, when I bought it.

[Reeves]

I wasn't sure it would have this mod, when I bought it.

Pretty much if it's an L-body, it will have this mod.

[unluckyty]

Pretty much if it's an L-body, it will have this mod.

First L-body I have had. Rust free car as far as everything else on car. My Sl had realitively good floors, but rockers and fenders x3 had rust.

Greg

[PunKid]

Yup. I bought a "rust free" GLH-T. I should have known better being a New England car. Over the winter I did see a couple small rust holes in the floor. But after driving it they have become a bit bigger. I don't dare pull up the carpet until next winter.

[Pat]

Yep...my GLHS was rust free. Until I pulled up the carpet. :-)

Not a big deal, just a bit of cutting and welding to do.

[unluckyty]

Yes, fixing the floors isn't a big deal, plus it is too cold to do any paint work so far this year(frost warning in the morning:().

Rough plans for the GLH

convert to T-II
intake
3-bar, 255 lpm, +40's
T3/T4 50 trim stage2
T-II rods, and pistons
Roller head

523 trans
4 puck ceramic clutch

Clean and paint interior trim
spray sound insulation on floor
new carpet
Dash has large crack in it( replace)

Hope to be driving it sooner than later:nod:

Greg

[Reeves]

Yes, fixing the floors isn't a big deal, plus it is too cold to do any paint work so far this year(frost warning in the morning:().

Rough plans for the GLH

convert to T-II
intake
3-bar, 255 lpm, +40's
T3/T4 50 trim stage2
T-II rods, and pistons
Roller head

523 trans
4 puck ceramic clutch

Clean and paint interior trim
spray sound insulation on floor
new carpet
Dash has large crack in it( replace)

Hope to be driving it sooner than later:nod:

Greg

All cool upgrades!

What color interior? Need a dash?

[unluckyty]

All cool upgrades!

What color interior? Need a dash?

Gray interior, picked up a good dash little while ago.

Thanks anyways.

Greg

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Hope fully it come out as nice as your car, James.
The picture of your car with the flames is one of my favorites.

Greg

[Reeves]

Gray interior, picked up a good dash little while ago.

Thanks anyways.

Greg

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Hope fully it come out as nice as your car, James.
The picture of your car with the flames is one of my favorites.

Greg

Pictures from far away do my car a lot of justice. LOL. But thanks for the compliment!

[unluckyty]

Sprayed first coat of sound proofing on floor, Lizardskin.
Painted interior trim.

Greg

[Reeves]

How did you like the Lizardskin so far? Pics? Did you buy the special applicator gun?

[unluckyty]

How did you like the Lizardskin so far? Pics? Did you buy the special applicator gun?

Have to put a second coat on today. They were out of the special spray gun with an estimated delivery about one week. I ended up getting a texture spray gun from Harbor freight ($15.99(w/coupon) vs $79 for theirs).
First coat was with the largest nozzle, and sprayed too much material. Second coat, today I am going to use the middle sized one. Harder to use, because the paint container is gravity feed from large hopper.
https://shop.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=texture+spay+gun

Will get picts today.

Greg

[ajakeski]

I used Lizard skin on our GLHS. The car is as quiet as our GLH that has dyna mat.
The nice part is that Lizard skin weighs about 1/4 of what dynamat does.
http://www.greatlakeshotrod.com/Great_Lakes_Hot_Rods/1987_GLHS/Entries/2011/4/24_Lizard_Skin_Sound_Proofing.html

Nice to see another GLH being saved.

[unluckyty]

Ya, pretty much looks like ajakeski's.( although the car over all will not be near as nice as his)

Fairly easy to apply, will spray with all three of tips that came with the sprayer, smallest gave the best control.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5583.jpghttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5581.jpghttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5579.jpg

Greg

[omni_840]

Looks great! I'm going to use Lizard Skin on my GLH, were you satisfied with the Harbor Frieght spray gun?

[unluckyty]

Looks great! I'm going to use Lizard Skin on my GLH, were you satisfied with the Harbor Frieght spray gun?

For the price of the gun, and end result, I would say I was satisfied. Just limited on ability to spray certain angles.

Greg

[unluckyty]

put together the rear door panels. using the newer one piece design.http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5584.jpg

Greg

[Keito]

WOW! Those are nice and clean.
Looking good Gregg.
I want to look into that lizard skin for my race car.

[unluckyty]

Thanks Keith.
The stock two piece panels were in rough shape, the top hard plastic was sun baked and falling apart.

Greg

[stargazer7467]

what did you use to paint the interior panels?

[unluckyty]

what did you use to paint the interior panels?

The panels themselves I did not have to paint, they were in great shape.
I used colorbond Chrysler m mist gray paint( bought at Summit racing) to paint the hard plastic pieces and door handles.http://bryndana.com/

Greg

[unluckyty]

Worked on putting the interior back together, while I wait for engine parts. Made some progress last couple days.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5602.jpghttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5604.jpg

Greg

[unluckyty]

Got back to working on the project. had hoped to have the engine in by now but, getting closer. Just about ready to drop the engine and trans in car today.http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5639.jpg

Greg

[unluckyty]

Been awhile, really struggling to get this this car done. Spend alot of time effort recently on the SL which burnt me out I think. Getting closer now, hoping to fire it up sometime this week. Engine and trans in, exhaust run, K frame back in, rebuilt(tie rods,ball joints, bushings,brake rotors/pads, brake lines).http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5649.jpghttp://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5648.jpg
Next car I get will be a completed project I think, If I learned anything yet.

Greg

[cordes]

Wow, that's coming along really well. Nice work, and thanks for sharing.

[unluckyty]

Got it to run for a hot second tonight. At first no fuel pump activation with key on. Direct power to pump works fine. Ground the test/connection to activate the asd relay(fuel pump,injectors, coil) All are fine but no fuel pump noise, wiggle connection at pump it comes on, great tighten up the plug. yada yada yada now none work.
#10 fuse looked good, but replaced, fuelsable links look good.
Can here power module click, asd relay good, power to +coil and at pump.
More trouble shooting to come.

Thanks for your interest.

Greg

[PunKid]

Does this car have the dual pump set up?

[rx2mazda]

awesome project!

[ajakeski]

Looks nice. I'm partial to the hemi orange and black wrinkle look too.

[unluckyty]

Does this car have the dual pump set up?

Single pump, I replaced it with a 255lpm.

[unluckyty]

Plug at fuel pump was issue. Got it started and running today. Have to clean up engine bay and run IC pipes/ filter. Waiting on retaining clips for trans cable, hopefully be driving it this week. Tons of small stuff to do.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Tried to use a set of neon srt-4 shifter cables, for my 523 conversion. One cable fits perfect( cross over) the other is to long. Picked up one for a shadow today to finish it.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Had trans trouble,
Couple of problems, main one ended up being wrong axle on drivers side. Bought to new ones, thought I had and 90 omni auto axle, must of been a five speed trans axle, small shaft.

Had an intermediate shaft from an 87 shadow es, was too long, and unable to get rt side axle in far enough to get strut on.

This car is going to get me yet.

Car is throwing codes 13 and 14 (map) problems can't get it figured out yet. Starts idles fine, will not rev past 2k or so, goes into limp mode(because of codes) tested every thing possible(at least I thing) and still problem.

Power to map 4.96v
signal 1.6v
Ground direct to battery
(all wires check good for resistance/continuity)
Dedicated new vac line to bar/map from vac block
bypassed boro solenoid
vacuum 16" to baro and between baro and map
have changed maps and baro
LM
checked fuel vac, no gas in it
More to come, the GLH is beating me down

Greg

[cordes]

If you're getting a code 13 that's usually a vac problem. The code 14 is the map giving off a signal out of range indicating a wiring problem usually. That's a rough combo you have going there.

You could take the omni axle center piece and use it with the shadow ends if you can't return them.

[unluckyty]

Thanks, Cordes I got the transaxle sitiation figured out.

I did my electronic conversion, over to an 87 daytona,lancer LM from Dylan's site http://fwdmopar.50megs.com/javaindex.html. Tried to use my fwdp stage IV 3 bar, code 13,14. put a two bar map in, turn fp down use a stock 87 LM same code 13,14.

Just by chance, I though what if I put the stock 85 LM back in, turn fp down, run a long vac line from baro to LM's map. Guess what, starts, runs and revs like hell.

I have been over the conversion several times, and I can not figure it out. Time to look for a 3 bar 86-87 Glhs LM.

Greg

[cordes]

I'm guessing that you're doing something wrong with the map wiring. Did you try to splice the ground for the map into the ground for the sensors? That's what most folks do. I prefer this post by Clay regarding the conversion. I think it's a little easier to follow.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?13161-L-body-TII-electronics-gt-87-electronics-conversion&highlight=TII+conversion

[unluckyty]

Yes, I thought about doing that, still might try it yet.

Thanks, Greg

[unluckyty]

For some reason the scan tool is seeing 5 volts with the other computer, an new wiring for map. With the 85 computer /map sensor seeing 2.2 volt

Greg

[unluckyty]

No luck moving the ground to #25.

This does not make sence.

87 csx LM, 3bar map, new wiring. OTC scanner states 5v when I check map sensor.
I physicaly checked map with meter and get 4.94v on C, 1.47v on B, no v on a ground
have checked and check wiring all is correct. Throw codes 13, 14 because it thinks it is getting 5v at LM

I plug back in the 85 LM and scanner reads 2.2v on C (signal wire) car runs and does not show odes 13 or 14.

Greg

[cordes]

Perhaps your CSX LM is bad? If the only things you're changing are the LM and map wiring/sensor the problem must lie with one of them.

[Reeves]

Are you swapping the wiring when switching from 87LM to 85LM?

[cordes]

Are you swapping the wiring when switching from 87LM to 85LM?

He posted up in another thread that the map wiring wasn't making good contact at the LM and that he has it going now.

[unluckyty]

Sorry need to update this, I have now got the map problem fixed. was a loose contact with the pin at the LM.

New problem now, This car is going to get me yet.

Problem, car starts and idles great. Drive the car and after a few miles(2-3) will fall on its face( not overboost cut off). Only have boost set at 5 psi, leave driveway full throttle through the all gears, fine. Then when I return and start back get into boost the cars feels dead.

Car has very low mileage +40, afpr, 255 walboro/ filter, and strainer sock, in tank, new FI rubber lines.
can hear fuel pump running, have pressure gauge rigged up on hood. I can pinch return line and dead head pump to 100 psi.
Fuel pressure is fine when running right
Then fuel pressure drops to below 40 when trying to go into boost, car goes flat
Fuel pump appears to have good volume, emptied tank to pull FP with it.

Car runs great at first. when problem occurs, can turn car off and restart and it is run good till it has the fuel problem again.
No fault codes.

So, am I dropping voltage to pump? Tach in car seems fine. Bad PM
or is there still a pump issue.

Thanks Greg

[rx2mazda]

check your vac lines to the fpr too. could havr a split that only leaks when they get hot/plyable.

[unluckyty]

Checked the vacuum line, ran new ones with the build, put a vacuum pump and checked it line ok, afpr would not hold vacuum.

I though that might be the problem, replaced with a stock turbo regulator ( held a vacuum). went for a drive still same problem.

Thanks, Greg

[unluckyty]

Still not fixed.
Pulled pump, replace hose in tank, was soft, and looked collapsed inside. not the problem.
Checked voltage to pump, when key on. 9.6v (should be 12v right?) hot wired 12v to pump, still not working.

I have change tps sensor, although it tested ok.

Going to change PM, and put stock lm back in, and try that.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Problem ended up being enough junk in the fuel tank to start plugging up fuel pump. Pulled and flushed tank, new filters and seems ok. have driven it about 80 miles so far.

Now I need to move the shifter back a little farther. the stock 523 base sits to far forwards, need to trim the base. Lots a little thing to do, just happy the major things are done.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Current picture of my actual driving GLH-T now mostly done.http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/100_5684.jpg
Greg

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Oops,Didn't change the date on camera, when I put new batteries in.

[unluckyty]

Took the car to the track, only got two runs in before I developed a small hole in radiator. The times are terrible, me + five speed+ old street tire = terrible 60 foots. But I was interested more in mph, which was 97+mph, pretty good for only 13# of boost.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Dug the slip out of the car, nothing impressive, but I can use it as reference.

60' 2.61
1/8 10.12@ 74.18
1/4 15.22@ 97.27

Greg

[Keito]

Looking good Gregg.
Just for kicks my GLHT ran 15.01, (don't remember MPH it was 100 years ago) that was with a MP computer,
my bored throttle body, and the exhaust cut off behind the cat,(don't ask). That was with a nonturbo 5 speed

[unluckyty]

That is a pretty good time for a non turbo, I just can't put the power to good use. At only 13# boost and traction I'm in the 13's.

The recent problem, has been the alternater sits really close to the radiator. My initial bracket let them make contact upon a hard launch, ( and the after market radio flying out of the dash). Resulting in a small hole in the rad, and a fusible link melting.

Driving the car is a blast, wish I went with power steering though( still can I guess). Mpg is good 30-32.

Have a bunch of little things to do over the winter.

Greg

[sy2206]

We're planning a Shelby/Dodge fall cruise somewhere around NE Ohio. Sat Nov 5th is the date, still working on the exact location. You should bring it out and meet up with us!

[unluckyty]

We're planning a Shelby/Dodge fall cruise somewhere around NE Ohio. Sat Nov 5th is the date, still working on the exact location. You should bring it out and meet up with us!

I would have to get the heater working. Need the vacuum harness from the hvac controls to car. Haven't checked to see if it is still available yet.
Sounds like fun though.

Greg

[cordes]

I would have to get the heater working. Need the vacuum harness from the hvac controls to car. Haven't checked to see if it is still available yet.
Sounds like fun though.

Greg

If you don't have any vac hooked up to it you'll have defrost by default. Nothing wrong with that.

[unluckyty]

If you don't have any vac hooked up to it you'll have defrost by default. Nothing wrong with that.

I have to sort it out, I didn't have any real heat at all. I have to go over the lines and cable to the blend door.

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New update, moved the car up to the front of garage, these warm days every now and then, are getting me motivated. Unfortunately I didn't do any work on it over the winter.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/a76c4537.jpg

Greg

[unluckyty]

Time to start the 2012 season. Tightened the alternator belt. Next onto moving the shifter back farther. I originally mounted the cable shifter a523 in the same location as the rod shifted a525. I found it was too far forward I had to lean forward quite a bit on the 1,3,5 shifts. I moved it back last year to where the hump in the floor was, still not back enough. Today I relief cut the support and moved the shifter back another 2". Test drive it is about right now. Good 1,2 shift threw the radio out of the dash.http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/88f08879.jpg

Greg

[unluckyty]

Just a fresh updated picture.http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/00ad0283.jpg
Greg

[unluckyty]

Time for long needed update. Got new tires Falken Ziex ZE 512 195-50-15. Nothing special just needed tires. Plus a front end alignment. Drives much better now.

Turned boost up to 15# and hit the track to work out some more kinks.
Still not able to get a good 60'(driver error) no big deal just some shakedown passes, and mph I was interested in.
Didn't want to abuse the new tires anyways (slicks are on the way).

Ran a best of(poor 60' of 2.47) 14.3@103.49:). Very happy with the result.
Slowly getting ready to turn up the wick.

Greg

[speedfreek500]

Lookin good, i like when these types of projects get done and not let half done and sold.

[unluckyty]

Thanks, time to start enjoying the car some.

[unluckyty]

Update for car, got my M&H slicks today, 23/7.5/15. Car prepped and headed to the track tonight.http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/23c20a6e.jpg

Greg

[cordes]

Good luck!

[unluckyty]

Thanks cordes, did ok although evening started out rough. Borrowed my neighbors trailer,it is just an all-purpose one, and when I went to unload the car the exhaust caught, and I had to repair it first. Any ways, car did ok no problems. I thought I would be just in the twelves but not yet. Busy night at track. Slicks knocked a second plus of my street tire times.
Best run: @17# boost
60'. 2.11
1/8. 8.61@82.71
1/4. 13.27@104.7

Now on this run, my last, I spun a lot through first gear, not a very good 60' but all were 2.04-2.12 range. Did not warm slicks at all, just pull to line and go, 12# air in slicks also.
Until next time,
Greg

[cordes]

Wow, that's great. Nice work.

[omni_840]

Nicely done!

[unluckyty]

Car doing well, enjoying the summer with it. Lot of little things need to be done, as fars as trim interior goes.

Installed a cheap front mount intercooler, same side in and out in prep for the upcoming race. Happy with the results no other changes and picked up ave of 3-5 mph over stock intercooler.

Ran the car at the Buschur sport compact nationals, had a blast with it. Best runs for the car by far.

Best run for car to date @ 18# boost.
1.87. 60'
8.16. 1/8 @ 85.28 mph
12.76. 1/4 @ 106.78 mph

Best mph was first run of day at 108.08http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/bc0bb487.jpgPhoto found searching the race, thanks to who took and posted it.

Next plan is to install a water injection system, as I have used them in the past, and crank up the boost to 20-22#. would like to get low 12's and 110 mph or better.

Greg

[Opticon]

I'm jealous of those floorboards. You might have just motivated me to do the same in my "rust free" GLHT.

[Reeves]

Car doing well, enjoying the summer with it. Lot of little things need to be done, as fars as trim interior goes.

Installed a cheap front mount intercooler, same side in and out in prep for the upcoming race. Happy with the results no other changes and picked up ave of 3-5 mph over stock intercooler.

Ran the car at the Buschur sport compact nationals, had a blast with it. Best runs for the car by far.

Best run for car to date @ 18# boost.
1.87. 60'
8.16. 1/8 @ 85.28 mph
12.76. 1/4 @ 106.78 mph

Best mph was first run of day at 108.08http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/bc0bb487.jpgPhoto found searching the race, thanks to who took and posted it.

Next plan is to install a water injection system, as I have used them in the past, and crank up the boost to 20-22#. would like to get low 12's and 110 mph or better.

Greg

Good runs and good to meet you at the Sport Compact Nationals!

BTW, where did you find the pics?

[omni_840]

Nice numbers! Not sure if your buying a water injection system or making it, but this is a good how to http://www.turbomirage.com/water.html

[unluckyty]

I'm jealous of those floorboards. You might have just motivated me to do the same in my "rust free" GLHT.

I was surprise by how rust free the rest of my car was, seems there is always some rust some were though.

Greg

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James enjoyed meeting you and your mom and dad, sorry about your luck with the car.
I can not for the life of me find were found the photo, there is little to no follow up information on the race. It was on a car forum (Honda,evo, dsm,colbalt, neon etc) an individual had taken some pictures, I believe there was one of your car also. I have searched and searched no luck.

Greg

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Nice numbers! Not sure if your buying a water injection system or making it, but this is a good how to http://www.turbomirage.com/water.html

Plan is to make my own this time, have used snow and devil's in past. Have his website book marked already.

Thanks, Greg

[omni_840]

Plan is to make my own this time, have used snow and devil's in past. Have his website book marked already.

Thanks, Greg

Actually I believe I bought your Devil's Own kit from you a few years ago:D

[unluckyty]

Actually I believe I bought your Devil's Own kit from you a few years ago:D

If hind site were 20/20, I should of kept it.:nod: I would be running it now. I am just going to build a simple boost activated switched one like I had.

Greg

[forcedfedmopar]

i see low 12s in your future! What psi are you setting the slicks to and what technique are you using for the burnouts. I run the same tire/wheel combo and found that heating them up good the first pass then just cleaning them off the rest of the passes worked best. im also running 11psi. If you take .1-.2 off your 60 youll be right there!

[unluckyty]

i see low 12s in your future! What psi are you setting the slicks to and what technique are you using for the burnouts. I run the same tire/wheel combo and found that heating them up good the first pass then just cleaning them off the rest of the passes worked best. im also running 11psi. If you take .1-.2 off your 60 youll be right there!

Slicks are run @ 12.5#, have run them as low as 9# on my other cars, but cut two side walls on them. So I run these with more. Norwalk has a usable fwd water box, my reg track doesn't, second gear till smoke shows. Reg track no burn out all. I think it will get there, low twelves, I'm going to try to get there slowly and safely. I want to drive the car more than work on it.
Just read your build, very impressive, your running some good numbers.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Haven't done much with car since Buschur's sport compact nationals @ Norwalk. The car started to feel like the clutch was slipping in fourth gear, at the track. Got home drove it once and felt like it was for sure. Now I have run this combo before, TIII pp with ceramic clutch in other heavier cars with same or more hp, without it slipping.

Feeling like the clutch cable was to short not allowing full clutch contact. The cable is the stock 525, and the trans now is 523. For a test I removed the poly bushing at the clutch arm, temporarily to give me a little more movement when the clutch peddle is released. Clutch did not slip in fourth gear now. I think the need for a longer cable is the answer, I was worried I had contaminated the clutch with oil, or antifreeze.

Greg

[wallace]

Haven't done much with car since Buschur's sport compact nationals @ Norwalk. The car started to feel like the clutch was slipping in fourth gear, at the track. Got home drove it once and felt like it was for sure. Now I have run this combo before, TIII pp with ceramic clutch in other heavier cars with same or more hp, without it slipping.

Feeling like the clutch cable was to short not allowing full clutch contact. The cable is the stock 525, and the trans now is 523. For a test I removed the poly bushing at the clutch arm, temporarily to give me a little more movement when the clutch peddle is released. Clutch did not slip in fourth gear now. I think the need for a longer cable is the answer, I was worried I had contaminated the clutch with oil, or antifreeze.

Greg

So would using the 525 shift lever on the 523 correct the problem? I read on here that there is a difference in the clocking of the arms for the different body types.

[unluckyty]

Good possibility, that might work, I will have to dig out the old 525 and switch arms to see.
Thanks, will be the easier of the two to do.

Greg

[Reeves]

Good possibility, that might work, I will have to dig out the old 525 and switch arms to see.
Thanks, will be the easier of the two to do.

Greg

Post your findings please.

[unluckyty]

The 525 arm is positioned higher,allowing me to attach cable with the bushing easily. The 523 I had to preload the arm to slide the retainer clip on. Haven't had a chance to go for a drive yet though. Will post up if clutch is holding.

Greg

[wallace]

I am glad I didn't scrap the 525 out of my Horizon I'll be sure to get the arm if I get rid of it. Thanks for the info!

[unluckyty]

Clutch seems to be holding well on the street. Know for 100% with some track time.

Greg

[anokabball24]

I like this thread.

Can you do a quick run down of your short block and head? Trying to get ideas for my Omni build.

[unluckyty]

Block: 2.2
Cleaned/checked
Honed stock size
Mahle pistons
TII rods, checked and sized
Cast crank

Top end:
287 g head stock
Roller cam

Just stock parts from various engine years, pretty simple build.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Hit my local track the other night, no change in car other than the clutch arm change. No warming slicks at all.
New best for car.
1.87. 60'
8.15 @ 84.24 -1/8
12.75 @ 105.90- 1/4

Greg

[cordes]

Nice work. Excellent 60'.

[unluckyty]

Nice work. Excellent 60'.
Thanks, cordes

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Haven't done much to or with car for a while, decided to fix an oil leak that has been driving me nuts. Ended up being the oil supply line at the turbo, so off with the head. Swapped out the fuel pressure regulator, for an adjustable one I have been wanting to install. Reconfigured my vacuum block, was hitting fire wall. Basically just some relaxing time in the garage.http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/366F897C-3E1D-4603-9CE1-AEF4CDF529D5-11319-00001751FB3ED1E9.jpg

Greg

[Shadow]

Hit my local track the other night, no change in car other than the clutch arm change. No warming slicks at all.
New best for car.
1.87. 60'
8.15 @ 84.24 -1/8
12.75 @ 105.90- 1/4

Greg

You don't heat up your slicks before you run? Man, nice 60' considering. What slick pressure?

[unluckyty]

You don't heat up your slicks before you run? Man, nice 60' considering. What slick pressure?

My regular track is an old one, to use the water box, you back into it. I run 12.5# in each.

Thank, Greg

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Car is back together. Took test drive to top of gas tank, and driver's door handle broke at the station. Car is now put up for the Ohio winter.

[unluckyty]

Thinking about spring, with the brief spell of nice weather. Ordered a new handle for car. Looking forward to driving car soon. Personal goals for this year to finish up the little things car needs, and trap consistent 110 mph+ at the track this year.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Door handle installed, easy job, cleaned and lubed up linkage.

Trans was grinding more than I liked shifting in first and second at times. Last year had changed to high mileage mobile one oil. Now trying synchromesh, see if it makes a difference.

Greg

[unluckyty]

Synchromesh has made a difference, less grinding but still there a times.

[unluckyty]

Took car to sport compact national, first time out to drag strip this year. Car was slower than last fall. Minor oil leak still, looks like valve cover gasket.

greg

[roachjuice]

Took car to sport compact national, first time out to drag strip this year. Car was slower than last fall. Minor oil leak still, looks like valve cover gasket.

greg

I just recently had to helicoil all the valve cover bolts on my car. Had a huge oil leak.
What were your times?

[unluckyty]

I just recently had to helicoil all the valve cover bolts on my car. Had a huge oil leak.
What were your times?

My looks like just gasket was bad.
Best run for the day was:

1.92. 60'
8.32 @ 83.33. 1//8
13.01 @ 104.8. 1/4

I think car was close to same last year, I was a little rusty at my driving skills. Changed to afpr over winter and think it is a little rich, causing my mph loss maybe. Need a stiffer spring in boost controller, wanted to up boost to around 20-21#, but only able to get 16-17#.

greg

[unluckyty]

At the track tonight, got my mph back 108+ best. But unable to et worth a darn. Did break into the 12's wit a 12.99.
Trouble getting into third gear tonight. Really lossing boost on 2-3 shift.

Greg

[cordes]

Congrats on the 12 second pass and the MPH. Any idea why it's not shifting into 3rd?

[unluckyty]

Thanks cordes, rt axle cv joint went on last run. I had noticed a vibration starting in fourth gear on earlier runs. Not a power problem or launch, boot had split and was started throwing out grease a while ago. Not sure if it contributed to the shifting issue or not.

Car will be down for a little while, want to add water injection before heading back out.

greg

[cordes]

Oh man. It's the worst when the boots let go like that. Grease everywhere!

[unluckyty]

Update, finally jacked up car and got a look into problem. Good news, axle appears ok. Rt motor mount went, and intermediate carrier for axle came loose from engine mounting point.

Getting new mount, repacked boot with grease and new clamp. Need to work on exhaust hanger in back, hanging low.

greg

[unluckyty]

More findings, sway bar outer bolts had loosened up, and missing one nut. One motor mount nut was stripped as well. Did the hose and clamp mod for the tranny mount on shock. Everything nice and tight now, no vibration or clunking.

greg

[unluckyty]

Back to the track to see how she does, now that things are replaced and tighten up.
Good news, car is hooking better, getting into the 1.8x 60 foot times. Bad news, lost boost, could only get 15-16#. Third gear shift still troublesome at times, really dropping boost in third. Ran mostly low 13's but only 100-103 mph.

Greg.

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Problem solved, vent on g valve was plugged, back to 18-20# boost.

[Keito]

Did you go to 42?
I want to get out maybe when it cools off, have to see if your available.

[unluckyty]

Yes usually at 42, their price went up to $20, but still get the most runs for the $. I'll be up a couple more times this year, want to do a couple more things to car. Maybe we can get both cars there at same time, that would be fun.

greg

[unluckyty]

Did some more testing, started out promising, 13.2 and then 13.1, then to mid 13's and unable to get more then 14-15# boost. Did some testing, hooked the air compressor up to my test pipe to check for intake, vacuum leaks. Found a broken plastic vacuum tee, and side n problem lower crank pulley was loose. Hopefully better time next track outing.

greg

[unluckyty]

Alright time to vent and gather some thoughts. Car is very inconsistent Last few time at track a pattern has started to develop, and I am fearing the worst case scenario. The car has run 12.7's a few times on less than 18# of boost plenty low 13's. boost has been inconsistent, and I could rarely get boost of 18#. While at the track I will bust out a good et high twelve or low 13's with 106 mph or better, then boost will reduce and ets go to mid to high 13's mph goes to 100-103 mph.

Things I have done to trouble shoot not getting max boost regularly:
pressurized intake for leaks
g valve adjusted all the way
wastegate checked and tighten
Ran on wastegate only (boosted to 22-23# car felt like it should) but now only getting 15# same setting. Rod is tight puck it physically verified closed in exhaust.
New boost controller ball n spring voodoo brand. Again initially a few good boosted runs, now full adjustment low boost.
Can hear turbo make sound when car is shut off, not a good sound to me
Compressor side has some axial play, no in out
Exhaust side no movement.
no oil on either side.

Engine is healthy recent rebuild and just did compression check.
turbo is turbonetics t3t4 50 trim stage II with low mileage.


getting ready to pull turbo to check it better.

[Shadow]

22-23#'s off a big can wastegate "unplugged" is way low. How much pre-tension do you have on it? (how far do you need to pull the arm out of the can to get it to go over the flapper arm?)

Is the 50 trim in a smaller housing? Have you ever measured your pre-intercooler preasure vs your manifold preasure? Does it always make the best run First, then get progressively worse?

You say the turbo has some side to side play. can you make the compressor wheel rub the housing?

[unluckyty]

Thanks Shadow,
I have threaded rod on wastegate it is 1/4 to3/8". Seemed tight to me, I usually apply air pressure to can when I installed it to get it over far enough.
never measured pressure drop. Don't know about housing size. Looking back at time slips, it is usually right off the trailer is best runs then progressively worse. Compressor wheel doesn't seem to rub, but is hard to turn when moved on its axis.

[Shadow]

Sounds like you have more than enough tension on the arm. Have you vacuum tested the W/G can to make sure it has no leaks in the diaphram?

What is the sound the turbo makes when car is off? (I'm assuming you mean just after you shut it off and it's still spinning)

When you ran it and only got 15lbs off the W/G alone, you had the W/G completely unplugged with W/G port open to atmosphere, correct?

When you say you pressure tested the intake for leaks; Did you test the whole intake tract from turbo outlet pipe to intake mani? how much PSI did you test to? BOV? If so what kind?

[unluckyty]

Well I think I found the problem. The intercooler hose was ripped on the back side of turbo outlet.
I tested the BOV held to 30+. Wastegate can was un plugged when tested. When I pressure tested the intake I was unable to test at the turbo outlet, that is the one connection because of the tight fit between the head, which I ground the corner for clearance and the starter for some reason. I think I need to reclock the turbo more. I decided to remove the head to look at the turbo and connection there, and found the problem. Turbo seems fine but I could hear like a mild hissing sound when shut off for a second.

thanks again Shadow for your help.

Greg.

[Shadow]

No sweat, your second last post was sounding like it was most likely a blown/ ripped hose and Not a turbo problem. Glad you found it. You should be making a lot more power in the near future..............:)

[unluckyty]

Car is now fixed, with the new intercooler pipe reconfigured. Not the best, two 90 elbows off of turbo, but works for now. Track outing went well, back in consistent twelves @ 108-110 mph. Biggest trouble now is shifting into third gear, unable to get it to go easily on a run, causing me to really drop boost rpm.
best run of night.
1.94. 60'
8.27@85.53 1/8
12.77@109.60 1/4

greg

[unluckyty]

Well last track trip for year. Got a best run yet for the GLH this year, been a fun season.
12.65@ 111.49. Now onto the next level, rework intercooler piping, and possible some porting work and that pesky third gear granny shift needs addressed.

Greg

[forcedfedmopar]

very nice improvements over this season! good job!

[unluckyty]

very nice improvements over this season! good job!

Thanks, I would like to hit elevens, like you have with your GLH, eventually.

[unluckyty]

Well, time to revisit the GLH, since winter. With today's almost spring like weather, my interest turned to the car. Last drive before putting it up last it started to have a drivability problem. Tps was acting up. Check it out today, and for some reason it is getting almost 5v on the sensor output,the near 5v input, the ground is less than .02 also, all without the tps sensor plugged in. The year has just begun.

greg

[unluckyty]

It's been awhile, worked out my tps issue, fixed my windshield wiper bushing. Been driving it as often as I can lately, just enjoying car. Went to track once, ran a slow 13@107. Had boost/ vacuum leak I could hear easily, ended up being cap on TB nipple was gone. Found small oil leak that was driving me nuts, ended up being my oil catch can.

greg

[unluckyty]

Been awhile, replaced the rear shocks, were koni, one was still good the other needed rebuilt. Had some new Gabriel's I had on the shelf to put on. Smoother ride not as stiff as before.

Took it to the drag strip, first time this year, only change was the shocks. Clutch was not holding as well this time, if I slipped it a little that was it for that run. Car did bust out a new best.

1.82 60'
7.92 @ 88.78 mph 1/8
12.34 @ 110.88 mph 1/4

greg

[rx2mazda]

Nice plog! Great numbers and determination.

[unluckyty]

Nice plog! Great numbers and determination.

Thanks, I really don't know what clicked this time, power stayed the same, 20 pounds of boost, and mph was same as last year. Would of never guessed it would have been in low 12's.

[Keito]

Hey Gregg, what track?

[unluckyty]

Hey Gregg, what track?

Norwalk, or "summit" raceway park.

[Shadow]

A track known for Excellent traction! :) Nice going, must feel Good!

Now get a clutch in there, slowly start turning up the boost, and ease your way into the 11's ;)

[unluckyty]

A track known for Excellent traction! :) Nice going, must feel Good!

Now get a clutch in there, slowly start turning up the boost, and ease your way into the 11's ;)

Thanks, was really unexpected since I was back in the 13's last year. I was not thinking I would need a clutch so soon. Usually the ceramic 4 puck hold pretty good, but not now.

greg

[unluckyty]

Car is just too fun to drive, but has sat for the last month or so. Engine developed an odd noise, think metal knocking random sound, only noticeable at low engine rpm. Rev the engine up no noise. Sounded like it was in the lower end close to #1 cylinder. Decided to devote some time to finding problem. Checked motor mounts, trans bolts, exhaust nothing. Dropped oil pan everything looked good, but number one rod seemed a little loose side to side. Valve train all looked good. So I decided to put new rod bearing in, old ones had some wear but nothing obvious, as far as causing the problem. Did catch a problem, head gasket was almost blown between #1 and #2. http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/unluckyty92/image.jpg1_2.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/unluckyty92/media/image.jpg1_2.jpg.html)

So to shorten a long story, new head gasket fresh rod bearing and while sliding out from under car for last time I grabbed the belt for the water pump, and proceeded to hear my clank, pulley bolts were loose on the crank. Car is running great.

greg

[Shadow]

Awesome! Now, did you happen to get a clutch in there while you were at it? :)

[unluckyty]

No, I wish. I have another transmission I might be putting in over winter, this one is not the smoothest a523.
I have to decide on which clutch/pp to use. Now I have a ceramic 4 puck with a TIII pp.

Robert, what clutch/pp are you using?

Greg

[Shadow]

I am using the SRT-4 650WTQ HD PP and light weight steel flywheel with custom 3 puck disc to match my 568 small splined trans.

[unluckyty]

Thanks, I am thinking my clutch is enough, just need more pp.

[unluckyty]

Just an update for the GLH, took it out for a drive this year. Oil supply line for turbo needs replace, had been a problem with oil leak, other than that fun drive.

[2.216VTurbo]

Surprising how the years just seem to go by right?

[unluckyty]

Surprising how the years just seem to go by right?

So true :)
interesting side note, the drag strip I most frequented, was sold closed then reborn again to a very nice facility, new track, grounds and even offering auto cross course, is reopen in this year. http://www.dragway42.com/

[Keito]

Yep, ready to check out the new facility

[unluckyty]

It is looking like a great place to race.