1987 New Yorker

[V8GremlinX]

With the summer upon us, i wanted to start and document my car, and what i will be doing to my car. To start i will give a slight history of what i know so far. Its a 87 New Yorker which i purchased from 87Yorker which used to be on the forum. I orginally bought it as a DD/toy, but it will now be a toy.

It is a T1 Converted T2 system. 413 auto. the car came from out west, so i am lucky enough to have a rust free new yorker in Michigan.:) From what i was told. the lower end is a 2.2 T1, the car has a stock T1 garret turbo with T2 adapter for IC. T2 Injectors, Completely Rebuilt/ported and polished head. Ported to match newer t2 1 piece intake, Stage 2 Cal. 2.5 side exit exhaust.

Car did have more issues then i planned.

Mechanical issues are- transmission is going. multiple oil leaks. exhaust sounds like crap. could use new struts and rear shocks. motor/trans mounts seem weak.

Cosmetic- bad paint fade, lots of dings. top is faded and has 1 very small tear, wheels are ugly and rub on full steers. post chrome is good. but the plastic stuff in bumpers is bad, needs windshield, interior panels are made of that felt material and have lots of scuffs. seats are good shape and just need good cleaning. headliner and visors need to be redone.

My plans for the car to start will be all mechanical. my goals for this car for power is medium. i would be happy with maybe a stage 4 ecu system. Over the next couple months these are what i would like to redo/replace.

Transmission, bought one from trannybuster on forum with very low miles on rebuild, and simon is doing up a valve body to go with it. i do not know yet on converter since they are expensive, but maybe after some more research and advice i may go with one when trans is put in.

I will be replacing multiple gaskets to fix oil leaks. Oil pan, and valve cover to start. Going to get a 1 piece gasket valve cover. Oil Turbo line is leaking and i will be putting a kit from one of our vendors since the price to build one seems to have went up in price for parts.

as for engine i would like to get a stage 4 cal, go with larger injectors(dont know if i should go +20 or 40), fuel pump, regulator, 3 bar map, and maybe upgrade the turbo to something bigger, but with my plans being not that drastic, may just stick with current till it goes(fresh rebuild atm)

Exhaust is whats been holding me back on buying parts. i was going to keep 2.5 side exit but to many people have told me to go 3" and upgrade SV and downpipe as well. i have been trying to find a used 2.5 SV to save some money but i have not had any luck.

My total goal is to have a 250-280ish HP new yorker, that might get me into 13's i do not know if what i have planned can get me there but we will see. i am open to all recommendations on my build. recommendations would be greatfully appreciated. ty in advanced

Interior goals and update pictures to come

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[cordes]

You should keep that interior stock looking. That is too nice to go changing on such a rare color combo. I'm all for the turbo vent hood though.

I'm looking forward to following your progress and the new pics. You've been out of the TM game for WAY too long now.

[V8GremlinX]

I really need to find both Vented hood and fenders. haven't decided on wheels. backed out on a set of pizzas. dont know what would look good. maybe 14" steel with wirecaps? tire choices would be tough. as for interior. keeping it that color affects paint. dont know how well that would look with black paint. maybe go back with the turd brown :-)

[Vigo]

Id leave the interior AND exterior colors the way they are and just get some wheels that go with it.

Looks like a fun car.

IMO there's no point in spending money on +40s if you're keeping a 1pc intake on it, it would just make your life harder to move enough air to need that much fuel.

With a stock garret and 1pc and +20s you can comfortably 250hp. You can easily run high 13s that way. Hell, a LOT of people seem to have run low 14s with nearly stock 2.2/auto ~t2 setups.

You definitely dont need a 3" exhaust for that. And, just for some perspective, 8valves trapped 108 in a full weight daytona on a 2.25" sv. For 250hp i wouldnt worry too much about 2.5 SV, 3" exhaust, etc.

[cordes]

I really need to find both Vented hood and fenders. haven't decided on wheels. backed out on a set of pizzas. dont know what would look good. maybe 14" steel with wirecaps? tire choices would be tough. as for interior. keeping it that color affects paint. dont know how well that would look with black paint. maybe go back with the turd brown :-)

I agree that the wheels are a tough choice. I would almost think some mesh wheels off of a Lebaron GTC would be really nice. Didn't they make them in gold? That would look sweet IMO.


Id leave the interior AND exterior colors the way they are and just get some wheels that go with it.

Looks like a fun car.

IMO there's no point in spending money on +40s if you're keeping a 1pc intake on it, it would just make your life harder to move enough air to need that much fuel.

With a stock garret and 1pc and +20s you can comfortably 250hp. You can easily run high 13s that way. Hell, a LOT of people seem to have run low 14s with nearly stock 2.2/auto ~t2 setups.

You definitely dont need a 3" exhaust for that. And, just for some perspective, 8valves trapped 108 in a full weight daytona on a 2.25" sv. For 250hp i wouldnt worry too much about 2.5 SV, 3" exhaust, etc.

I agree with everything but the injectors. +40s don't cost much more if any, and they offer a ton of head room for when +20s won't cut it. I've already suggested that he hunt down a two piece and that will help a lot.

[V8GremlinX]

yeah im gonna look for a 2piece. as for wheels, i have considered these. what do u think? i know ive seen the right ones on lebarons. saw that left on a caravan. any others? do they have names?
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[Vigo]

I agree with everything but the injectors. +40s don't cost much more if any,

If you are buying them new, then yes the price difference is small. However im of the opinion that ~450cc injectors (+20s) arent worth much, and i have never paid much either. Ive found 2 sets of flex fuels in the junkyards even. I tend to forget that people pay full price for things sometimes.. :(

Either one of those wheels will work well imo. I would just call the left ones mesh or lace wheels and the right ones iirc are called cathedral wheels, but i doubt enough people call them that to where it would help to know what they are called :p Ive seen them on 94-95 spirits iirc.

On the van wheels, be careful that you dont get ones with the bigger 5x114.3 pattern. Some wheels for caravans were made the same style in both lug patterns.

[cordes]

the wheels on the left in your post are called lace wheels quite often.

Here is a link to the KC section on wheels. It's not all of them, but it is a good start. Note that the later Caravan wheels are a different bolt pattern than the cars.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/content.php?200-Ultimate-Stock-Wheel-Guide!!!

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Beaten by three minutes...

[Vigo]

you've still got me beat by 4,800 posts.

[GLHNSLHT2]

yeah im gonna look for a 2piece. as for wheels, i have considered these. what do u think? i know ive seen the right ones on lebarons. saw that left on a caravan. any others? do they have names?
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I have the wheels on the left in white on my new yorker.

http://www.pnw-sdac.org/gallery/v/Members+Rides/Jay+Jochec/87+New+Yorker/100_0651.jpg.html

what I'd love to find is a set from a Berretta GT in white.

[V8GremlinX]

I have the wheels on the left in white on my new yorker.

http://www.pnw-sdac.org/gallery/v/Members+Rides/Jay+Jochec/87+New+Yorker/100_0651.jpg.html

what I'd love to find is a set from a Berretta GT in white.

i really like how those look. would love to find a set of them in gold

[cordes]

i really like how those look. would love to find a set of them in gold

That would be sweet!

[blk86trbo]

Nice looking New Yorker Rich, the color scheme is awesome...I'd love to have those seats for the sin wagon! :nod:

The Factory installed lace wheels that were 16" on some of the LeBaron "J" bodies. Here's a picture of a set on my wagon...it should have similar fenderwells, so you can see how they fill them up.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee39/blk86trbo/wagonwheels020.jpg

Again, you have a great looking ride, and I look forward to more pictures and info :thumb:

[V8GremlinX]

considering going back to steels and hub caps but upgrading to 15" i can get new 15x6.5 steel wheels and i found these 15" aftermarket wire cap which i think would look good. looking for opinions :-)
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[Vigo]

I think wire wheels/caps could look great on a new yorker, as long as they arent the stock ones. Going to a bigger wheel diameter (and a smaller tire diameter too) and a hubcap thats not as convex as the stock wire caps would work well imo.

[GLHNSLHT2]

I don't know, I guess I'm not old enough, or maybe the wrong color but I've never been found of wires.

[V8GremlinX]

Wrong color? Hmm lol.anyways I'm gonna try to go more to the stock look.let alone I found some 15x6.5 steel wheels. So I can get a decent size tire on

[Vigo]

unfortunately there arent a lot of cool sizes to pick from that work well on 15s. 205/50 is too short, 205/55 is kinda skinny, 215/60 is on the tall side, and 225/50 would preferably go on a 7+ wide rim.

Id say 225/50 on 6.5 is the best wide/tall 15" compromise you can get on these things considering nobody makes a 215/55/15. :/

[V8GremlinX]

I was going to consider going 215/60R15. it is .03 taller. it will still have nice width and a bit more comfort with slightly larger sidewall. I manage a Costco Tire Center. my program shows this to be right on for speedometer all the way too 100 i will be doing 99

[Vigo]

Ive had several sets of 215/60r15s on my k-cars, i think its the best tire size you can get for a factory 15x6 unless the car is lowered a lot. If its lowered a lot the tire looks too big, but your car doesnt look lowered at all.

Although, after you get the new wheels and tires on, i would bring the front down a little bit to level it out and get rid of some of that wheelgap. :)

[V8GremlinX]

is that hard to do? the rear sags it seems. seems all yorks look the same? should i removed and install normal shocks in rear to bring up? i dont know if that air system is evening working. i dont think there upgraded struts etc for this car is there?

[Vigo]

Well lowering it is not HARD, you just cut the spring and put it back together. Whats hard is knowing how much to cut or getting it perfect on the first try. You do need some kind of spring compressor, too. I use the ones harbor freight sells for $15.

As for the struts, there are no 'performance' struts that will bolt right into the car, other than the discontinued Konis. Only stock-replacement stuff like KYB gr2/excel-g, monroe sensatrac, gabriel struts, etc. There are different kinds of struts you can modify to work in a k-car with varying degrees of effort, but if you are keeping stock springs any stock replacement strut will work and get the job done, it just wont be stiff or adjustable or anything like that. :p

[Vigo]

Shadowfromhell has some flex fuel injectors for sale for $75. They are basically +20s and could get you up to 250hp.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?56478-Shelby-T3-VNT-A-little-bit-of-everything

[john1320]

I didn't see if it was mentioned, but the stock intercooler was holding me back in my k-car, big time.

[Vigo]

This car has a front mount already installed. FTW!

[V8GremlinX]

finally decided on a hubcap. Ordered today. should have 15x6.5 steel wheels by tuesday. I recieved my 2.5SV Going to order 3" DP and 3" Round Magnaflow muffler monday so i can get exhaust situated. going to keep side exit. i know it will be louder still. debating if i should get a hi-flow cat to mat up also? to reduce noise.. would i have the room with muffler for side exit?
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[cordes]

finally decided on a hubcap. Ordered today. should have 15x6.5 steel wheels by tuesday. I recieved my 2.5SV Going to order 3" DP and 3" Round Magnaflow muffler monday so i can get exhaust situated. going to keep side exit. i know it will be louder still. debating if i should get a hi-flow cat to mat up also? to reduce noise.. would i have the room with muffler for side exit?
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Cats are way too expensive to use as mufflers. If you have a decent muffler on there it can't be that bad.

[Vigo]

Cheap cats arent any pricier than expensive mufflers..

My 3.3 dynasty has a 3" high flow cat and a SS mesh-packed magnaflow oval case and that thing is QUIET at low rpms. My aries has a 3" side exit with no cat, but a round case magnaflow followed by a glasspack, and it is sorta loud.

In my experience running side exit on the aries, the real noise problem comes from highway RPMs with the auto. I didnt really like my first side-exit exhaust until i swapped to 5spd and suddenly i couldnt hear it anymore, and its been fine ever since.

[cordes]

Cheap cats arent any pricier than expensive mufflers..

My 3.3 dynasty has a 3" high flow cat and a SS mesh-packed magnaflow oval case and that thing is QUIET at low rpms. My aries has a 3" side exit with no cat, but a round case magnaflow followed by a glasspack, and it is sorta loud.

In my experience running side exit on the aries, the real noise problem comes from highway RPMs with the auto. I didnt really like my first side-exit exhaust until i swapped to 5spd and suddenly i couldnt hear it anymore, and its been fine ever since.

I suppose that's true. I've never seen the point of running a cat when not in an area that is emissions tested though. Just a personal thing.

Have you run a TM with the .91 transfer gears before? I think I'm going to start pulling those from the local yard for guys. They have been awesome in my Neon.

[Vigo]

My aries actually had the 2.78 FD in it when it was auto so it was a bit taller than the usual 3.02. Still, i drive 75mph for 80% of my driving time, so the rpms were up there a bit.

[V8GremlinX]

as i mentioned before i was trying to stay stock looking with my wheel options. went ahead and got some very nice aftermarket steel wheels 15"x 6.5 :thumb: that actually are not a universal bolt pattern and fit snug on hub. After some research i went with some http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+A%2FS+P01+%28H%26V%29&partnum=16HR5HTRAS&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes Took them for a ride. and was very impressed on there handling and quietness. i feel they are a perfect fit for my car in a 215/60R15 94H

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These are how they look on car

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know with my wire caps for the stock sleeper type look

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i like how they turned out, guess thats all that matters :-) opinions are apreciated

[Vigo]

I like that tire size, its a good fit for all the k-cars.

As far as the wire caps, they look like stock, just slightly bigger. I dont like stock but i guess that is what you were going for. The performance is going to WAAAAAY better even with the same looks.

[cordes]

That's a great sleeper look for sure.

[Vigo]

But you're killing the stealth with your blacked out front end!! :p

[V8GremlinX]

considering using this car as my primary now and switching my motor in. only downfall with this car is that it would need to have the I/C ran. dents in the roof, light surface rust on bottom and it needs a K-Frame since the current has a hole. my other york just got hit in road, and the only reason im debating is i plan on taking entire interior, doors,fenders and hood and swaping them onto my 86, and since the 86 needs the new trans put in, i gotta do some major overhauling. so i was considering maybe just using this 87 that was intended for parts. im more concerned on removing the surface rust from bottom and how or who would do it. just looking for thoughts :-) give me something to do read while i wait for my wife to go in labor.

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[cordes]

Congrats on the kid.

Surely there must be some place which does soda blasting etc. that could remove all the surface rust from underneath the car in your area.

Talk to Stodola who works in the bakery over at mad heights. He could send you to his guy. He does nice work.

[V8GremlinX]

wow i havent heard that name in a long time. figured he would of moved on to better things than the bakery. he still into the buick turbo's? you happen to have his e-mail or maybe a cell number?

[cordes]

wow i havent heard that name in a long time. figured he would of moved on to better things than the bakery. he still into the buick turbo's? you happen to have his e-mail or maybe a cell number?

When you're making what those guys in the bakery do topped out and live a mile from the warehouse it's pretty easy to stay in an entry level position.

Last I was at his place he had the WE4 all dressed up with no place to go. I think he just has to put the big turbo and IC in it and he's read to hit the streets looking super sharp.

[V8GremlinX]

well the project is over and im out of turbo dodge's again. so my car and parts and donar car will be up forsale shortly. A close forum member is interested so im going to try to give him a good deal as i did when he bought my shadow back in 2003. Im going to stay a member since i really enjoy these cars. Hey, maybe i will have a 3rd crack at this later down the road. My replacement to my TD is a 85 Corvette, really notta a project as its in really good shape. I will say this, my new yorker with the trans flaring feels faster. I also look forward to staying a member of the great lakes chapter as long as u dont mind a vette hanging around .

Rich

[V8GremlinX]

well my NY is gone, sold to a member on forum from Illinois. He got a E-Body gem :-)

Rich

[cordes]

Thanks again Rich. I need to take some pics and start a project log. This car will offer years of trusty service for sure.

[V8GremlinX]

what did u think of its power output? she moves very well, curious what it would of ran in 1/4 mile with a good trans

Rich

[cordes]

what did u think of its power output? she moves very well, curious what it would of ran in 1/4 mile with a good trans

Rich

I wouldn't know. I kept her in vac the WHOLE way home except once when adjusting my feet because of fatigue. I'll say that it spooled up near instantly when that happened and jumped to 5PSI incredibly fast.

What did you ever do with that exhaust manifold and turbine housing? I didn't think to ask about that until just now. That's not what's on there is it?

[V8GremlinX]

still sitting in box from when i got them from u lol

Rich

[V8GremlinX]

so hows the car coming brian? i miss being boosted. :-( im still glad it went to a good home. hopeing your gonna start a project log so i can follow

Rich

[cordes]

so hows the car coming brian? i miss being boosted. :-( im still glad it went to a good home. hopeing your gonna start a project log so i can follow

Rich

I'll probably just continue this one to keep a better history of the car.

So far I've done nothing other than drive and enjoy the car. I'm hoping to get some rust preventative underneath it this weekend and change out the PS lines and pump. Then I my try to push out the dent in the quarter.

It has been rock solid and a pleasure to drive so far. I'm really happy with it.

I'm also going to burn a Shelby Lancer based cal for it soon.

[cordes]

I got the PS going again today. New (from the pile) pump along with an actual new pressure line and return line. It certainly looks like it was just the pump itself since it was in pieces. The pulley came out with the shaft and it was clear that the hole had been hogged out severely. I'll have to get some pics of it up since I've never seen anything quite like it in one piece.

I'll be power washing the underside of the car and using an Eastwood rustproofing kit and undercoating on it. This thing has NO rust on the bottom side and I'd like to keep it that way for as long as possible.

[mopardad1]

I like the wheels.

[cordes]

I reinstalled the door panels in the rear today after lubing up the door handles so they would latch in the cold. I did find the build sheet in the L/R door so I'll post that up later.

[GLHNSLHT2]

I think that's where I found the build sheet in my 87 yorker as well. I took it to work and laminated it.

[cordes]

Here is a scan of the front side.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/971/00213.jpg

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/971/00114.jpg

[V8GremlinX]

Hey Brian. hows it going? Seeing how the NY was doing? saw some pictures of the the NY through the snow? were thoughs with the tires that i sold u car with? Belle tire guy said they had good reviews for snow and performance. im most likely scrapping that other 86 NY. interested in it?

Rich

[cordes]

Hey Brian. hows it going? Seeing how the NY was doing? saw some pictures of the the NY through the snow? were thoughs with the tires that i sold u car with? Belle tire guy said they had good reviews for snow and performance. im most likely scrapping that other 86 NY. interested in it?

Rich

It's doing really well so far. Very few issues along the way so no complaints for sure. The tires did great in the snow, but we were driving it so slowly I think we could have made it with anything but slicks.

I think I'm all set for stuff right now. There just isn't much the car needs. I'll have to post up some pics again soon.

[V8GremlinX]

Have u decided what your plans for car is? or just a dd and drive till cancer does her in. i do miss her. i had double back surgery march 12. can't get in vette. hoping i can make a sdac this year since im on loa for a bit. just feel not many people will want my vette being around :-). would i be able to participate in any events with it? im looking for a van atm. know of a reliable voyager or caravan forsale ? Doesn't have to be turbo. just 95 or older . Rich

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Get all windows to go up and down? radio antenna fix?

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In your opinion. think the guy was legit when he said the head was ported etc.?

[cordes]

Rich, I sent you a PM. Bummer about the back surgery. I sure hope you're up and around ASAP.

[cordes]

I've been getting the car more road worthy over the last couple of days. The driver's window motor has the little bushings broken to bits so I order up some new ones. I also cleaned and adjusted the TB so that it'll hopefully idle a bit better when cold out. I'm thinking the car may need a new AIS.

I'm headed out to see if I can steal the bushings out of one of the rear motors to get the window going for the week.

[cordes]

Well it's been over a year since the last update. The car died at the end of last January or February. It sat until fairly recently when I decided that my 90 Shadow was too far gone to save. I have since installed the 2.5 out of the Shadow which I added a new Mopar reman head to. The car now boasts a very severely ported exhaust manifold and a two piece intake. The SV on the TII turbo from the shadow it ported to be a bit larger. It's probably approaching 2.75". Today I hooked up some new exhaust which I fabricated with the old 304 SS exhaust from the shadow with the addition of a Magnaflow 3" straight through muffler.

I'm pretty sure the kick down cable needs some adjustment, and I know that the shift selector lever needs the same. I'll have to look up the procedure for both of those since I've never had to do this on an auto before.

I'm hoping to get all the very final touches done this next weekend along with some serious undercoating too. I can't wait to have her back on the road for daily use.

[cordes]

I'm pretty pleased with the car so far. It drives well and gets a much more consistent 27mpg on dead flat road with a speed of 55-60mph. I have some pics of the exhaust and I'll try to get a few of the engine bay. I installed an aftermarket rail with a remote AFPR and some braided lines. I figured that would be easier than to track down a known good two piece rail as mine all are a little dinged up.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/971/medium/IMG_4524.jpg

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