Is this really true?

[88CSX-T]

Is it true that the CSX-T has the exact same engine (except for the Shelby valve cover and Mobil 1 sticker) that the Shadow ES has?? :confused2:

[vntned]

Im pretty sure the engine trans was straight outta the ES turbo. Standard 150hp/180tq 2.2T1 with A520 trans.

[ShelbyLancer282]

Uhmm yeah you was expecting maybe a custom billet crank stuffed forged block and pistons? :lol:


and no its 146hp and 170 tq, the 150 hp and 180tq was the 2.5t1 except the High Torque 91/92 2.5T1 with 150hp and 210 tq.

[raccoon]

and 88 Shadow ES`s could infact now be more rare.

they were sold to a rental company right, doubt the renters even popped the hood to see the upgraded valve cover and sticker.

[88CSX-T]

Well since the CSX and CSX-VNT had beefed up engines by Shelby, I though the CSX-T had a beefed up engine too, but I guess it was only looks and suspension/wheels/tires :(

[DodgeZ]

They only way Mopar would honor the warranty for the CSX-Ts was to have motors stock, another then the valve cover changed. IIRC Shelby did the warranty work on the other numbered cars

[cordes]

Well since the CSX and CSX-VNT had beefed up engines by Shelby, I though the CSX-T had a beefed up engine too, but I guess it was only looks and suspension/wheels/tires :(

I don't believe that is a correct statement. The 87's had stock TI motors which Shelby converted to TII. The 89's came with TII engines as a base for what Shelby did to them from what I understand.

[88CSX-T]

Oh I see, so that way the CSX-T's could be sold to Thrifty and rented to the public, and beat the crap out of by the renters, and then fixed by Mopar while still under warranty.. :nod:

Probably because Shelby wasn't interested in fixing cars that were rented out specifically to get the pi$$ beat out of them, just like the Shelby Hertz Mustangs back in the 60's that were regularly found wrapped around telephone poles... ;)

[88CSX-T]

I don't believe that is a correct statement. The 87's had stock TI motors which Shelby converted to TII. The 89's came with TII engines as a base for what Shelby did to them from what I understand.

I agree, and the 88's were just stock T1 motors... :confused2:

[MNmopar]

Well since the CSX and CSX-VNT had beefed up engines by Shelby, I though the CSX-T had a beefed up engine too, but I guess it was only looks and suspension/wheels/tires :(

Why do you think they were beefed up? As far as I've ever heard, they were not. Cast pistons and all...

[88CSX-T]

Well I'm just saying "beefed up", meaning what Cordes said previously:

I don't believe that is a correct statement. The 87's had stock TI motors which Shelby converted to TII. The 89's came with TII engines as a base for what Shelby did to them from what I understand.

[cordes]

I agree, and the 88's were just stock T1 motors... :confused2:

Correct. They didn't have to do the blow through conversion in 88 so they could just use 100% stock motors except for the VC obviously.

[88CSX-T]

Hmmm, Interesting.. :nod:

[88CSX-T]

Well at least the CSX-T's look alot faster than the ES's :thumb:

[raccoon]

lol like hell they do. :thumb:

[ShelbyLancer282]

lol raccoon just saying that cuz he has an 88 shadow es lol your biased racoon.

[88CSX-T]

oh, yup. I didn't notice that, but now I get it.. :nod:

[ShelbyLancer282]

I still think 88 csx-t's look the best only cuz I like white cars. but a white CSX VNT with a T3 DROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!! and BONERAMA HAHAHA..

[raccoon]

the shadow ES has real cup holders. not that base model junk!

[88CSX-T]

Well I thought that cup holders were optional in the front storage box on the CSX-T's, mine doesn't have cup holders :confused:

I don't need cup holders anyway, My drinking helmet holds two beers so I can still steer/shift/smoke cigar/adjust radio/give middle finger to road rage drivers/ etc with my two free hands :banana-mario:

[DodgeZ]

I washed my CSX-T this week. The kid is going to start driving it soon.

29084

[88CSX-T]

Cool, nice car. Are those real Shelby center caps? Those alone cost almost as much as my whole car did. (I found 4 real Shelby ones for sale for $110 each (x4= $440), and my whole car cost $500; I did not buy them)... :faint:

[DodgeZ]

Cool, nice car. Are those real Shelby center caps? Those alone cost alomst as much as my whole car did. (I found 4 real Shelby ones for sale for $110 each (x4= $440), and my whole car cost $500; I did not buy them)... :faint:

That is the problem with these cars. People by them cheap and then can't justify putting money in to them. I had that car listing for 1500 bucks and couldn't sell it. Oh well, it will be a nice car for the kid to drive.

[88CSX-T]

I agree, they're not worth much, but personally I prefer the rare cars that aren't worth much, for my collection (that's all I can afford anyway):whip: Maybe someday they'll be worth something, so when I die and my kids drop my belongings like a hot potato, maybe they'll make enough money to go out to dinner at McDonalds :bounce:

How long have you had it? Does it have the cup holders? Shelby floormats? full leather or half leather/wood steering wheel?

[cordes]

I washed my CSX-T this week. The kid is going to start driving it soon.

29084

Take the wheels off of it before the kid does.

[roachjuice]

I washed my CSX-T this week. The kid is going to start driving it soon.

29084 can I be your son? :D

[Juggy]

damn dude how old are you?! lol.....or were ya poppin em out early?

[jonnyb]

Does it have the cup holders?

The "cup holders" in the base model 88 shadow (i.e. - the csxt interior) was a cheezy plastic insert that sat in the front of the center console - hardly a "real" cup holder...LOL! If you don't have one, and you want one, I may have one laying around in my storage area. It will be a while before I can get in there (buried in snow and I aint shoveling any more darn snow...LOL), but if you remind me in a month or so I'll look around for one for you.

Also, just to clarify Cordes motor explanation, only the 89 CSX-VNT had the full blown T2 bottom end. All other cars that came out of Whittier (86/87 GLHS, 87/88 CSX, 87 Lancer) had the T1 bottom end with the lightweight rods, cast crank and were non-common block motors. All Shelby did was pull the top end off the motors and replace it with T2 stuff.

[roachjuice]

damn dude how old are you?! lol.....or were ya poppin em out early?
lol :thumb:

[DodgeZ]

It is my daughter. I had the family at the last SDAC. The car is prolly going to get some pizza while she is rolling around in it.

[cordes]

It is my daughter. I had the family at the last SDAC. The car is prolly going to get some pizza while she is rolling around in it.

I didn't see that one, or she is minute. Either way your kids were all great and your wife was very funny.

The pizzas sound like a plan.

[88CSX-T]

"Also, just to clarify Cordes motor explanation, only the 89 CSX-VNT had the full blown T2 bottom end. All other cars that came out of Whittier (86/87 GLHS, 87/88 CSX, 87 Lancer) had the T1 bottom end with the lightweight rods, cast crank and were non-common block motors. All Shelby did was pull the top end off the motors and replace it with T2 stuff. "

Huh? Now I'm really lost, I thought the CXST's were bone stock T1 Shadow ES motors (except for valve cover and Mobil 1 sticker) :confused:

And the T1 bottom end and T2 top end were only on the 87 CSX's :wow1:

[cordes]

"Also, just to clarify Cordes motor explanation, only the 89 CSX-VNT had the full blown T2 bottom end. All other cars that came out of Whittier (86/87 GLHS, 87/88 CSX, 87 Lancer) had the T1 bottom end with the lightweight rods, cast crank and were non-common block motors. All Shelby did was pull the top end off the motors and replace it with T2 stuff. "

Huh? Now I'm really lost, I thought the CXST's were bone stock T1 Shadow ES motors (except for valve cover and Mobil 1 sticker) :confused:

And the T1 bottom end and T2 top end were only on the 87 CSX's :wow1:

It's pretty much as it reads in his post.

Shelby had to convert the 87' cars to blow through so he could use them with the TII rad/IC. The short block was dead stock TI from the factory.

88' was the first year of the blow through setup on TI cars. Thus the CSXT just needed the VC swapped for the Shelby one. It didn't require any other changes since it was already blow through and was not going to be intercooled.

In 89' the CSX VNT was made with an 89' T2 motor in it from the factory. The T2 motor was then converted to VNT. That is why the CSX VNTs came with T2 air boxes and modified SMEC harnesses to run the SBEC rather than with the factory 90' VNT stuff.

I hope that clears things up a little.

[ShadowFromHell]

and 88 Shadow ES`s could infact now be more rare.

they were sold to a rental company right, doubt the renters even popped the hood to see the upgraded valve cover and sticker.

I think the ES cars are alot rarer. I dont know what the production numbers were, but I see alot less of them then I do the 88 ES cars. Here is a pic of mine when I first brought it home :)

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll308/TurboshadowWA/GetAttachment4.jpg

[88CSX-T]

nice car. I just saw a 89 ES for $400. I don't know much about them but it was red, all original, and had those funky gray wheels that look like propellers.. :)

[raccoon]

+1 sunroof car. :thumb:

is that a tan interior?

[Juggy]

It is my daughter. I had the family at the last SDAC. The car is prolly going to get some pizza while she is rolling around in it.

still didnt answer my Q "old man" lololol.......

[Directconnection]

still didnt answer my Q "old man" lololol.......

I think his daughter is off limits for you... "Old Man"

I know you did the 2.5 T-III thang, but no need to completely follow in Simon's footsteps...

[DodgeZ]

still didnt answer my Q "old man" lololol.......

I was ignoring your question. I keep my family life off of the forum. That way I don't have use my .45 ;)

[ShadowFromHell]

+1 sunroof car. :thumb:

is that a tan interior?

Yup, and it is minty fresh. I had planned on (years ago) gutting it out and building a "race car" out of it. But now, clean TM's are getting so hard to find Im not going to do it. It needs painted now, and a drivetrain but I am going to keep the body/interior pretty much stock. The only change I am going to make is to put a CSXT grill in it I have. I may paint both too, I can swap it back and forth.

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I was ignoring your question. I keep my family life off of the forum. That way I don't have use my .45 ;)

Lol, I also do not understand the teenage girls and CSXT thing. For some reason, it seems every CSXT I see locally, is driven by a teenage girl. I think me and a buddy really creeped a girl out trying to get her to stop to check out her car years ago... lol

[88CSX-T]

Hmm, interesting, besides my CSXT that I bought 3 states away and had shipped, I've never even seen a CSXT in real life... They just aren't around in this part of the country, not even in junkyards..

[DodgeZ]

The last one I saw was 12-13 years ago in Palm Beach Florida.

[ShadowFromHell]

They are the ONE "rare" tm that seemed to have sold well here. My buddy looked for 3 months before he found a T2 tona forsale, I have seen ONE omni GLH here and it was owned by a buddy of mine. I think I have seen two or 3 SC's. We do also seem to have alot of rampages and t-vans thou!

[88CSX-T]

They are the ONE "rare" tm that seemed to have sold well here. My buddy looked for 3 months before he found a T2 tona forsale, I have seen ONE omni GLH here and it was owned by a buddy of mine. I think I have seen two or 3 SC's. We do also seem to have alot of rampages and t-vans thou!

In Washington state? Funny, alot of csxt's that I've seen for sale in the past year or two were from Washington state...

[glhs571]

The guy I bought my CSX-T from sold it because he was going to give it to his daughter to drive but she wanted a car that had an airbag. Their loss was my gain. Even though the thrifty's were the least wanted of the shelby models, I dont see myself selling mine to anyone. Ever. I have put way too much money into it than I will ever get out, and it also has been really good to me. (Ie; no major break downs).

[cordes]

I was ignoring your question. I keep my family life off of the forum. That way I don't have use my .45 ;)

You need a 10mm. It's the only way to be sure.

[88CSX-T]

Geez, I wish my father bought me a Shelby when I was a kid :censored:.

My first car when I was 16 was 3/4 of a 1979 Toyota Corolla that I traded for $50 and a car stereo. I was driving it home and heard the brakes squealing, so I stopped and looked at the brake pads and saw there there were NO brake pads!!!! :banghead:

I bought an '88 Saleen with 31k miles on it two years ago from a guy that bought it for his high school-aged son. Well the son hated it because of the color, so the father bought him another car instead.... The Saleen is now up on blocks under soft snuggly blankets, all nice and warm in my collection, still with 31k original miles on it :cheer2::banana-mario::cheer2:

[DodgeZ]

You need a 10mm. It's the only way to be sure.

have you priced 10mm ammo? ouch

[cordes]

have you priced 10mm ammo? ouch

If you go 10mm, rolling your own is virtually a must. I've heard that there are more full power loads out there commercially now, but I haven't looked into it much. Any round which was turned down by the FBI due to women and girly men not being able to handle it sounds good to me.

[88CSX-T]

:focus:

[88CSX-T]

If a stock '88 CSX-T raced a stock '88 Shadow ES in the 1/4 mile, who would win? Hmmm.. :confused2:

[ShadowFromHell]

Well, I think the CSXT got stiffer susp and wider rubber, so I would guess the CSXT by just a little bit.

[88CSX-T]

That's what I heard too, that the csxt has the wider wheels, different tires, rear disk brakes (I heard the ES has rear drums), and different front & back shocks/struts. I've also heard that they both have the same front and rear sway bars.... :confused2:

[Shelby5150]

so when I die and my kids drop my belongings like a hot potato, maybe they'll make enough money to go out to dinner at McDonalds

Last time i checked, Ecology autowrecking doesnt pay enough to afford a cheeseburger, let alone a big mac.:yuck:

Engine is now in!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/Shroom5150/GEDC0960.jpg

[raccoon]

wasting no time eh.

[88CSX-T]

Hey shelby5150, if i dump my csxt at your house can you rebuild it? It's seized and I want to rebuild it to factory specs... :drum: