My 1984 Plymouth Turismo 2.2

[austinlarg]

Got this Turismo from my grandfather last year. He washed and waxed the car and put it under cover in the garage for almost 10 years. This is also after he rebuilt the carb.

Here is a video I have of the Turismo when I started it in October of '09. The last time I worked on it was December of '09 and I have decided to continue work on "El Turismo".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDo4osH238&feature=player_embedded

Tomorrow I will be cleaning out the engine bay and ridding it of mouse feces that I found this past week. Then I will begin ripping stuff out and cleaning to make sure everything is 100% ready to go.

Thanks for checking it out. And just so you know, I have NEVER worked on a car before so this will be fun.

[DC Turismo]

As a fellow Turismo owner, I give it two thumbs up!

[austinlarg]

As a fellow Turismo owner, I give it two thumbs up!

Hey thanks buddy

[austinlarg]

***Update***

So I cleaned out most of the rat feces with a heavy duty blower. Then I covered the alternator and distributor cap with plastic bags. After that I sprayed some simple green on some parts that needed cleaning and rinsed off the engine. Finally I broke out the blower again to help speed up the drying process.

Found something odd with my Holley carburetor. Here is a picture.
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I dont know if this is right, but it only has 1 choke plate and it's already opened without the car even being started. Any ideas?


*Also, tried starting the car but it clicked once and did nothing else. I would only expect it to be a power problem. So tomorrow I'll check the battery cables and make sure everything is dry. I'll post all the other pictures tomorrow of the car.

[Vigo]

Im digging the period wheels on that thing.

[ScottD]

Check the battery terminals, make sure they are clean. You can get a terminal cleaner for like $3-4 at any auto parts store.

Looks good!

[austinlarg]

Check the battery terminals, make sure they are clean. You can get a terminal cleaner for like $3-4 at any auto parts store.

Looks good!

Just the guy I was hoping would stop by. Yeah i'll look into that. But it's not corroded and no battery acid. I'm going to check the cables tomorrow.

Any idea on the carb picture?

[ScottD]

I had one car that if it sat for a while I would always have to clean the terminals. It was a car that I would start and run every 3-6 mos. The terminals always looked fine.

The Holley that came off my Turismo had only one choke plate on it. The choke on the Holley is vacuum operated, so it would be open til it has vacuum going to it.

[austinlarg]

I had one car that if it sat for a while I would always have to clean the terminals. It was a car that I would start and run every 3-6 mos. The terminals always looked fine.

The Holley that came off my Turismo had only one choke plate on it. The choke on the Holley is vacuum operated, so it would be open til it has vacuum going to it.

Yeah I guess it's better to be safe than sorry.

And the carb thing really made me think it was just put together wrong. I don't know much about them but I thought it was supposed to be closed.

Tomorrow I clean the terminals and try to fire her up again. If it goes well, then I'll take the radiator out to clean that and maybe replace some of the hoses that don't look good.

Thanks for the help Scott

[Spycker]

hey, i live in the bay area too. let me know of you need any help

[austinlarg]

hey, i live in the bay area too. let me know of you need any help

Man I been looking for someone with any kind of knowledge on these cars in the area. I'll shoot you a pm. Thanks for checking it out.

[austinlarg]

Alright tried starting it up today and same thing. Just a single click. I expect that to be the starter solenoid, so that would lead me to believe that the starter motor isn't working properly.

But I examined the battery cables just to be sure and found a wire that doesn't look very good coming out of the positive cable. Here are some pictures. It's the orange wire.

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I'm not even sure what the part is that this wire leads to. It seems to be plug into something right above where the original intake goes. Sorry my lack of knowledge doesn't help. But does anyone know what that part is?

Also, can I just strip the wire a little more and splice it together and wrap it in electrical tape?

[austinlarg]

One more thing

In the second picture, you can see that the orange wire goes into a plastic block and on the other side is the black wire that goes straight to the battery terminal. There is a metal piece in the plastic block. Can I bypass all of that and just connect the black and orange wires?

[ScottD]

No. Your best bet is to go to a junkyard and cut off another connector leaving enough wire to either solder it or crimp connect it to the original orange wire. An auto parts store may also have a new connector, it might be generic enough of a connector that you can find one new.

[Spycker]

I believe that orange one might be your blinkers, do this bang the starter with a soft hammer a few times, then see if itll start. If it does then there you go. I did that with my charger when I first got it and it fired right up

[austinlarg]

No. Your best bet is to go to a junkyard and cut off another connector leaving enough wire to either solder it or crimp connect it to the original orange wire. An auto parts store may also have a new connector, it might be generic enough of a connector that you can find one new.


Okay it's a good thing I decided to call it a day before doing it. Thanks Scott.

[austinlarg]

I believe that orange one might be your blinkers, do this bang the starter with a soft hammer a few times, then see if itll start. If it does then there you go. I did that with my charger when I first got it and it fired right up

Okay I was wondering what the orange wire was for. I thought maybe it was keeping it from starting. I'll try the starter thing later on. Thanks.

[ScottD]

After you fix the wire issue, are you sure the battery isn't just dead and it needs a jump start?

[austinlarg]

After you fix the wire issue, are you sure the battery isn't just dead and it needs a jump start?

Yeah I just bought this battery on Monday. I'm going to try the starter and then the distributor cap and rotor just to be on the safe side. This car is giving me more problems than I expected. Oh well. It's a learning experience.

[ScottD]

If you turn the key to the on position, does the oil light and ebrake light light up on the dash, or do you get nothing?

[austinlarg]

If you turn the key to the on position, does the oil light and ebrake light light up on the dash, or do you get nothing?

Scott all the lights work and blinkers and all that. When I turn the key to start it, all I get it one click and that's all.

[austinlarg]

***Update***

El Turismo is aliiiiive!!!

Funny thing. I forgot about the whole pressing the gas pedal before trying to start it. Did that and she hesitated the first time and fired up the second. But she ended up idling really high and then idled low and dyed.

Started her up one more time and she stayed running for about 5 minutes before I turned it off. I'm going to post videos soon. Forget pictures.

Now I'm thinking of draining the fuel system and cleaning it out. Is it safe to use Seafoam in the gas tank? I need something to clean everything out. I was thinking maybe even in the crankcase.

[Spycker]

lol, mine did nothing even after i pressed the pedal, whack the starter and boom. glad its alive and yeah seafoam is good as long as you know how to use it.

[austinlarg]

Alright. I think I'm going to make a trip out to Autozone and pick up 2 bottles. Also I smelled an odd odor coming from the engine. It kind of smelled like burnt popcorn. Could that be the rest of the water drying out from when I shot off the engine bay? Or something more serious?

[austinlarg]

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[austinlarg]

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[austinlarg]

Yes that is a Gerald Levert tape. I'm thinking I might keep the stock tape player. I don't need CD's if I have Gerald Levert.

[austinlarg]

Vacuumed the interior and it looks nice. Thinking of painting some of the interior pieces though. Tomorrow I will seafoam the car and take it for a little longer drive.

[austinlarg]

So the weather here is going to suck for the next week or so. I'm going to be working on the interior mainly and hopefully picking up a Grant steering wheel tomorrow. I was thinking of going with black, gray, and yellow for the interior. I'll post up some pictures on Monday when I get back to it.

And I was looking for more peoples opinions on seafoam

[austinlarg]

I've been shopping around for parts and am having a hard time finding places that have parts for the 2.2L engine. Most places only have them for the 1.6 model.

Anyhow, will a radiator for a 1.6 be the same as the radiator for the 2.2? I found a great deal and want to go for it but I'm not sure if it's compatible.

Here is the link:
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If anyone can help, that'd be great

[Spycker]

www.partstrain.com is your friend and why do you need a radiator again?

[Turbo224]

The 1.6 radiator would probably work, but I would imagine that it has a smaller capacity and wouldn't cool the car as well.

[austinlarg]

www.partstrain.com is your friend and why do you need a radiator again?

I'll check out that site. My radiator is leaking pretty good and the "fins" are all bent.

[austinlarg]

The 1.6 radiator would probably work, but I would imagine that it has a smaller capacity and wouldn't cool the car as well.


Yeah that's what I was thinking. I suppose I'll just try to fix the leak.

[austinlarg]

Well I just ordered a wiring harness from ebay for a new deck and I'll be picking up a Grant steering wheel tomorrow off of Craigslist.

Then its to removing the seats, deep cleaning the carpet, new headliner, and seeeaafooooam

[austinlarg]

**Update***

Rainy days have come and keep me from working under the hood since my car is outside. So I went looking through my garage and found the caps for my wheels. They look much better.
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Also picked up some paint at Kragen to test out colors for my interior. Painted my glove box.

Let me know what you guys think.

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[austinlarg]

Picture of my cluttered engine bay. Thinking of switching all vacuum hoses to a yellow silicone hose
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My rusted Supertrapp exhaust
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My plastic Grant Steering Wheel that will be swapped very soon
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[Turbo224]

Please do not paint any of your interior parts white, or what ever color that is. That would be almost as bad as the yellow vacuum line idea. I have never understood why people replace their vacuum lines with any other color than black. It certainly doesn't look any better, and it only draws attention to the messy crap under the hood that you shouldn't want people to be noticing. That goes for colored wiring loom as well. The best way to improve under the hood is eliminate or hide as much stuff as you can. Oh, and definitely lose the exhaust as well.

[JohnnyIroc]

Please do not paint any of your interior parts white, or what ever color that is. That would be almost as bad as the yellow vacuum line idea. I have never understood why people replace their vacuum lines with any other color than black. It certainly doesn't look any better, and it only draws attention to the messy crap under the hood that you shouldn't want people to be noticing. That goes for colored wiring loom as well. The best way to improve under the hood is eliminate or hide as much stuff as you can. Oh, and definitely lose the exhaust as well.

+1, its not a Honda

[ScottD]

Please do not paint any of your interior parts white, or what ever color that is. That would be almost as bad as the yellow vacuum line idea. I have never understood why people replace their vacuum lines with any other color than black. It certainly doesn't look any better, and it only draws attention to the messy crap under the hood that you shouldn't want people to be noticing. That goes for colored wiring loom as well. The best way to improve under the hood is eliminate or hide as much stuff as you can. Oh, and definitely lose the exhaust as well.

I agree. I would not use yellow vacuum lines or wiring loom. A clean engine bay draws more attention that one with wild colors.

I can see painting stuff in the interior to black, but I would not paint it any light color. That will show everything and will not look good either. The plastic interior paint works but it isn't the most durable stuff in the world either.

[austinlarg]

Please do not paint any of your interior parts white, or what ever color that is. That would be almost as bad as the yellow vacuum line idea. I have never understood why people replace their vacuum lines with any other color than black. It certainly doesn't look any better, and it only draws attention to the messy crap under the hood that you shouldn't want people to be noticing. That goes for colored wiring loom as well. The best way to improve under the hood is eliminate or hide as much stuff as you can. Oh, and definitely lose the exhaust as well.


Hey Turbo thanks for the input. I've decided as of yesterday to stick with black vacuum hoses and I'm actually going with black and gray for the interior. The yellow on the glove compartment was just an experiment to test different colors out.

And as for the exhaust that will change soon. Right now I have to worry about replacing my wheel hub.

[austinlarg]

Alright guys I went ahead and took off the drum and wiped off all the grease. Initially, when I took the wheel off, the locking nut was loose enough to be tightened by hand. Thinking this could be the problem, I tightened. Then my grandpa came out and looked and said "Boy, you better check those bearings anyway." So I did. Let's take a look at what I found. Cause I have no idea what it is.


This looks like mouse poop. But its hard metal.
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Here's a better look at one.
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Here is an inside look. I think the yellowish piece is the inner bearing with the dust seal inside of it. But what is that metal piece in front? Is that the outter bearing? And if so, how do I get it off? Cause it's stuck.
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And here it is with all the grease. Just for kicks.
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So does anyone know what those little pieces of metal are?

[ScottD]

Those little pieces look like part of the outer bearing that fell apart. Look at the inner bearing and you'll see those same little pieces encased in the yellow plastic.

I'm not sure what the sleeve is, whenever I've pulled rear drums the hub has welded itself to the drum and the drum/hub come off as one piece.

To get it off I'd use a puller, something like this: http://www.harborfreight.com/3-piece-three-jaw-puller-set-8832.html.

Also, I'd do the other side too, if one side is that bad, the other probably has issues too.

[wallace]

Hey that's the inner race stuck to the spindle. You may be able to heat it and get it off. You can try a puller too. May be easier to just get another spindle.

[JohnnyIroc]

or if there are any Shelby chargers in local junk yards, just swap it over to rear disc breaks......

[Turbo224]

The locking nut was probably loose due to the bearings being toast. I would definitely check both sides.

[austinlarg]

Hey all I actually bought the new outter bearings, a puller, and some grease and replaced it tonight. Rides smooth now with no problems. I'm going to drive it a little tomorrow and take it off to inspect again just to make sure. Now I can fix my attention to back under the hood.

[austinlarg]

Just inquired with a guy selling a Weber 32/36 carb. Hopefully he'll sell it to me so I can swap that in. And hopefully getting my Grant steering wheel soon. Slowly but surely. I want to get it smogged next week already.

[austinlarg]

Soooo...I drove it around the neighborhood and discovered that the clutch needs to be replaced. Kind of sucks. I'm thinking it'll be ready to go by March. But I might be off to boot camp for the Air Force before I get a chance to replace that. Oh well. We'll see what happens.

[austinlarg]

Got disqualified to go to Boot Camp for the Air Force so now I'm back and I'll be working on this beauty starting Thursday. Got any parts I might need? Let me know.

[austinlarg]

Alright so I went to start the Turismo. Didn'thave much trouble getting it started. Still a little rough, but nothing outrageous. Took it for a drive and for some reason the gears wont shift. When I shift into 3rd, it still feels like its in 2nd and still sounds like its in 2nd. I went to 4th and the same thing. Stilll felt like it was in 2nd. Any ideas? Im lost.

[wallace]

Check your shift linkage for wear.

[austinlarg]

Check your shift linkage for wear. Hey thanks for the response. Do I still check the shift linkage if it drives in reverse a nd 1st?Also, my Haynes manual doesn't give a very descriptive account of how to check it for wear.

[contraption22]

or if there are any Shelby chargers in local junk yards, just swap it over to rear disc breaks......

I know its an old post but... L-bodies never came with rear disc brakes.

[austinlarg]

Slowly but surely, definitely. I got a new job and am getting paid a bit more. This allows me to bring the Turismo to the shop on Wednesday morning. I've messed with it long enough but don't want to leave situations like the transmission up to myself.

I'll be messing around with interior options and the more cosmetics of the car. Hopefully I'll be able to drive it to work by the end of the year.

[austinlarg]

Odd problem now with the car. It starts and idles fine. But when I turn on the heater or A/C, the car starts dying and I have to shut the heater off to get the car idling normal again. Ideas?

[Avidhunter]

Did you ever get this issue solved?

[austinlarg]

Hey Avidhunter I didn't get it resolved because I was getting caught up with work and such. However, I just worked on my friends '84 Benz and it got me motivated to work on this car. I would like to get it rolling by Spring time. My battery went dead yet again, which sucks. So I have to get a new one first. But I definitely need to figure out how to work on the shift linkage. I don't even know where that is.

[StraX22]

I've never really messed with the L-Body shifter linkage before, but I know that it is a rod-actuated system that a lot of times the rubber bushings are bad. Here's a KC article that talks about repairing the linkage. Unfotunately it doesn't have any pictures.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/knowledge.php?title=Drivetrain:L-Body-Linkage-Repair

Keep with it, the work might seem daunting at first but if you do it yourself it will be an amazing learning experience.

[wallace]

I can vouch for the rod ends on the stock linkage it works very well. You will not believe the shift quality it provides. There is someone on this forum that sells them ready to drop in.