So is your truck overloaded if it is sitting on the bump stops?

[DodgeZ]

So is your truck overloaded if it is sitting on the bump stops? how much 6 short blocks weigh, some common some not. Also 5 manual transmissions and one auto? 2000 lbs? I have a bunch of crap in the back of my 2005 2500. I think it is crying a bit.

[cordes]

Maybe 600lbs. in trans alone there. The short block are what's weighing you down. Although I'm pretty sure that's what the bump stops are there for.

[135sohc]

6 short blocks ~150lbs~ each 900lbs
5 mtx around ~100lbs~ each 500lbs
1 atx around ~130lbs~

~1600lbs~ shouldnt hurt a 2500 :confused2:

[turbovanman²]

That shouldn't put a 3/4 ton on the bump stops?

What's the truck rated for?

[DodgeZ]

I have a couple more bare blocks, no cranks/pistons. One of the MTX is an SRT4 trans which prolly the weight of an auto. I have a couple of vises, 6 mustang hubs/axles (not the diff/housing) some boxes of parts, a set of 17's with no tires, a packed up bolt bin and some other crap. oh and a 175lbs camper top. It was about an inch from the bump stop until I attached a uhaul cargo trailer. It is a 6x12 and I'd guess the tongue weight is 500lbs.

the door sticker say 9000 gvwr. Total is 13300 with a trailer. 2005 quad cab long bed 2wd, E range tires.

http://campinglife.com/towrating/index.cfm?action=search&yr=2005&make=Dodge&model=Ram+2500+Quad+Cab+2WD+Long+Bed&min_tlimit=&max_tlimit=

I don't have 4.10 gears but that link should be close.

[bakes]

Are you mixing up the overload spring stop with the bump stop ????????

[DodgeZ]

Are you mixing up the overload spring stop with the bump stop ????????

not sure what an overload spring stop is. The axles it is now touching a rubber bushing that is on the frame rail.

[BadAssPerformance]

Wow.. hard to make a 2500 squat... Pics?

[bakes]

I have had my 3500HD ram filled over the rails with river rock and never had it set that low ,,, wow!!

[black86glhs]

Apparently, the 2500 Dodge is not much more than a 1500. You should get a spring set made for it.

[BadAssPerformance]

^^ Huh? :confused2: 2500 is an entirely different chassis than a 1500

[black86glhs]

^^ Huh? :confused2: 2500 is an entirely different chassis than a 1500His doesn't seem to hold much more than a 1500....get it?

[iangoround]

Short answer, yes your truck is overloaded.

According to the internets, your max payload capacity is around 2700 pounds. You should be able to find the true number in your owners manual. Look for payload capacity, not towing capacity.

If your axles can handle the load, look for a set of helper springs, airbags, or Timbrens. Timbrens are basically specialty rubber springs that replace the bump stops, and have some pretty impressive load ratings. Rock Auto carries them under Suspensions>helper springs.

[DodgeZ]

2005 dodge ram 2500 pickup 2500 ST, QUAD CAB, 2WD, 8.0 Ft Bed, 4-Speed Automatic Transmission, 5.9L High-Output Cummins Turbo Diesel Engine:

With 3.73 Axle Ratio Axle Ratio [i] You Can Tow 13250 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) [i] = 9000 lbs
Payload [i] = 2414 lbs
Curb Weight [i] = 6586 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 3982 lbs/3982 lbs
GAWR Front/Rear [i] = 4630 lbs/6000 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) [i] = 20000 lbs


Dodge.com had this info after digging for a while

[DodgeZ]

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[The Pope]

new trucks are NOT made to haul, they are made to pull. Want to haul buy an old truck or buy a trailer.

For example your truck weighs 6500, an old truck weighs 4000 lbs, both are rated at 9000. But the new truck is made to have a soft suspension to make the new Dodge compete with POS imports for ride quality. So the truck squats and the GVW also includes a loaded cabin, quad cabs also push the bed farther back. So your new truck gets almost no front load in the bed.

You need to have 1" between the rubber stops and the axle / frame / etc. That means when you leave with a load you leave with 1.5" as it'll drop .5 after a few miles.

I have loaded a 1967 Dodge 3/4 with factory over loaders to 12,743 lbs with 1" up front and 1.5" after the trip. That means it had 4.5 yards of sand on it. I was charged for 8,500 lbs of clean screened sand. You try that with a new truck and you'll kill it.

I was at the home show last fall across from a guy with a brand new 550 Ford dump truck, with real steel dirt bed not some wood farmer bed. The trucks GVW at 550 was 17,900, the trucks weigh empty? 13,500, wow he can haul 4,400 lbs. My 1970 dodge 500, GVW of 24,000 lbs on the door. Real dirt dump truck, weighs 8,100 with me in it at the dump and regular cab it puts weight over the nose unlike the 4 door Ford. But that puts the payload at near 16,000 vs the near 4,500 for a new Ford.

So want to drive a new truck? buy a trailer and don't bother with a long bed. A new work truck doesn't have any options, nothing electronic but GPS. Standard cab, long bed and 2 or 4 wd. Then everyone adds the 5,000 air bags. But even still they don't do well, I added the same weight I haul regular to my 1969 D300 to a new 550 Chevy. 4.5 yards of gravel. I almost rolled it as it had such a problem with it. Even the tires between the duals started smoking with heat. So to be fair they all suck lol.

[The Pope]

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get an 8 lug axle trailer next time and put it all in the trailer but light weight stuff :clap: you also have tong weight adding to to truck too. If you really front loaded the trailer that hurts you too. Always center the weight of the load on the trailer on the front axle. Then always put heavy weight on the truck to the back window and light weight on the tail gate. Proper weight distribution could have helped you too.:D

[Turbo3Iroc]

You are easily over that 2414 lbs with what you listed. It looks as though you are just touching the bump stops though. There is still some suspension travel left at this point. You should be ok for your haul but I'd watch for any hard bumps during your ride. You could also possibly move some stuff from the truck bed to the trailer.

[turbovanman²]

2005 dodge ram 2500 pickup 2500 ST, QUAD CAB, 2WD, 8.0 Ft Bed, 4-Speed Automatic Transmission, 5.9L High-Output Cummins Turbo Diesel Engine:

With 3.73 Axle Ratio Axle Ratio [i] You Can Tow 13250 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) [i] = 9000 lbs
Payload [i] = 2414 lbs
Curb Weight [i] = 6586 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 3982 lbs/3982 lbs
GAWR Front/Rear [i] = 4630 lbs/6000 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) [i] = 20000 lbs


Dodge.com had this info after digging for a while

Wow, only 2400 lbs payload capacity, :(

Yep, your overloaded, so if you want to keep doing this, you'll need helper springs, air bags or another set of springs, which will make it ride harsh empty, :( Otherwise drive slowly to the dump.

[thefitisgay]

my 82 f150 took 1600 pounds fine i didnt look to see if i was bottomed out i think it drove better full then add my 150 and my friends 220 and im almost a ton

new stuff sucks!

[RoadWarrior222]

My Voyager would take 1600lb, but he's got another 600lb of assorted junk, plus cap plus hitch weight.

[roachjuice]

lol holy ----. thats looooooww!!!

[DodgeZ]

new trucks are NOT made to haul, they are made to pull. Want to haul buy an old truck or buy a trailer.

What is a 3/4 ton? 2000*.75= 1500. The truck hauls a 1000lbs over 3/4 ton.


For example your truck weighs 6500, an old truck weighs 4000 lbs, both are rated at 9000. But the new truck is made to have a soft suspension to make the new Dodge compete with POS imports for ride quality. So the truck squats and the GVW also includes a loaded cabin, quad cabs also push the bed farther back. So your new truck gets almost no front load in the bed.

The speed limit use to be 55, dropping in to 2nd to go up a hill was okay, A/C what is that?, bonce bonce bonce bonce down the road we go..., 6mpg is cool with me gas is only 15 cents a gallon, safely crashing??? I am only going 40mph who cares!

your comment about the long bed is wrong also, at least for the dodges.



I have loaded a 1967 Dodge 3/4 with factory over loaders to 12,743 lbs with 1" up front and 1.5" after the trip. That means it had 4.5 yards of sand on it. I was charged for 8,500 lbs of clean screened sand. You try that with a new truck and you'll kill it.

E range tires are rated for a hair over 3000lbs. so the rear axle can support 6000ish. If you had 8,500 in sand alone you are 2,000 over the limit, maybe you had some tractor trailer tires on it?


I was at the home show last fall across from a guy with a brand new 550 Ford dump truck, with real steel dirt bed not some wood farmer bed. The trucks GVW at 550 was 17,900, the trucks weigh empty? 13,500, wow he can haul 4,400 lbs. My 1970 dodge 500, GVW of 24,000 lbs on the door. Real dirt dump truck, weighs 8,100 with me in it at the dump and regular cab it puts weight over the nose unlike the 4 door Ford. But that puts the payload at near 16,000 vs the near 4,500 for a new Ford.

D-500 2 ton Max GVW: 19,500lbs

The F550+ is 19,000. The F550 is basically like the f250 with bigger brakes, axles and springs. The D500 totally different then the D200. The F550 is still basically normal truck, the F650 is when it becomes a bigger truck.



So want to drive a new truck? buy a trailer and don't bother with a long bed. A new work truck doesn't have any options, nothing electronic but GPS. Standard cab, long bed and 2 or 4 wd. Then everyone adds the 5,000 air bags. But even still they don't do well, I added the same weight I haul regular to my 1969 D300 to a new 550 Chevy. 4.5 yards of gravel. I almost rolled it as it had such a problem with it. Even the tires between the duals started smoking with heat. So to be fair they all suck lol.
Did they have better tires in 69 also?



get an 8 lug axle trailer next time and put it all in the trailer but light weight stuff :clap: you also have tong weight adding to to truck too. If you really front loaded the trailer that hurts you too. Always center the weight of the load on the trailer on the front axle. Then always put heavy weight on the truck to the back window and light weight on the tail gate. Proper weight distribution could have helped you too.:D

I don't plan to move again anytime soon so no need to buy a trailer. I spread the weight pretty good. If you stack motor they tend to fall down on to the lighter stuff. Also motors smashing up against glass is fail. I had to leave 5 motors at the house and a bunch of other heavy crap. Next trip.... If you look at the truck there isn't much bed behind the rear axle. It isn't like a Maxi Van like you are saying. I did move some stuff around to load it better.

[DodgeZ]

You are easily over that 2414 lbs with what you listed. It looks as though you are just touching the bump stops though. There is still some suspension travel left at this point. You should be ok for your haul but I'd watch for any hard bumps during your ride. You could also possibly move some stuff from the truck bed to the trailer.

I moved some crap around before the pictures. I took around 200lbs out of the bed of the truck and stuck about 160ish in the back of the trailer and 40 in to the cab of the truck. It gave me the space you see in the picture. Did 650miles today, 15mpg at 65mph. It pulled fine, braked normal and easily held 65 going up big hills.

[cordes]

Kevin, you need to be on the lookout for one of those C-900s. Especially the one with the girl that you posted up.

Also, where are you moving to?

[DodgeZ]

Kevin, you need to be on the lookout for one of those C-900s. Especially the one with the girl that you posted up.

Also, where are you moving to?

Austin TX.

[cordes]

Austin TX.

Wow that's really cool. I've heard a lot of positive things about that city. Best of luck to you down there.

[roachjuice]

Word. Austin is cool. Been there before

[DodgeZ]

Wow that's really cool. I've heard a lot of positive things about that city. Best of luck to you down there.


Word. Austin is cool. Been there before

Thanks guys. Austin is rated one of the best places to live. I am pretty happy about the move. I need to find a cheap shop to store all of this crap I am hauling out. I have 5 cars there now and another 7 to haul out there.

[Turbo3Iroc]

I'm sure you can find a nice place out there with some land that doesn't break the bank. Just curious why you didn't take a car back this trip? No more space for now there?

[DodgeZ]

I'm sure you can find a nice place out there with some land that doesn't break the bank. Just curious why you didn't take a car back this trip? No more space for now there?

I needed to haul big crap back that wouldn't fit well in the back of the truck. Good news is I only have a smaller stuff to come back. Well besides 4 doors, 3 hoods and 2 hatches. LOL Dad drove my SRT back this trip also.

[Turbo3Iroc]

I needed to haul big crap back that wouldn't fit well in the back of the truck. Good news is I only have a smaller stuff to come back. Well besides 4 doors, 3 hoods and 2 hatches. LOL Dad drove my SRT back this trip also.

Oh so you did sneak a car back.

[turbovanman²]

Close to FWD? :eyebrows:

I actually tried to talk the wife into moving to Austin a few years ago, got told, it won't happen, :(

Why are moving? Better job?

[Vigo]

If you need any help, unloading things, let me know.. im only 30 miles away :)

[DodgeZ]

If you need any help, unloading things, let me know.. im only 30 miles away :)

going to be unloading all the heavy crap tonight. Do you have a place to store cars :eyebrows: How do the car inspections go?

[Vigo]

Car inspections are pretty lax. Most counties in TX dont have emissions and the DOT safety inspection is basically lights, wipers, horn, brakes. If you get stuck with the wrong person they might check to make sure you have a cat or a muffler, but usually they wont check.

As far as under the hood.. ive never been given any crap for anything under the hood but i dont have anything that doesnt have a stock-looking motor in it, even if its not stock. Never get any ---- for missing Evap can etc.

Inspection costs either 12.50 or 14.50/yr and registration is about $55/yr per car.

[Subliminal]

Ha. It probably rode like a dream outfitted like that!

I've been trying to determine the payload on my truck, but can't really figure it out. Guess I'd need to know how much my truck weighs...somewhere around 6500...I think the gross weight is 8510, so probably about 2k, according to the factory. Of course, it has a full airbag system and a significant increase in HP...

Oh well, damn near never put anything behind the cab outside of a boat anyhow. Doh!

[JeremyL]

Car inspections are pretty lax. Most counties in TX dont have emissions and the DOT safety inspection is basically lights, wipers, horn, brakes. If you get stuck with the wrong person they might check to make sure you have a cat or a muffler, but usually they wont check.

As far as under the hood.. ive never been given any crap for anything under the hood but i dont have anything that doesnt have a stock-looking motor in it, even if its not stock. Never get any ---- for missing Evap can etc.

Inspection costs either 12.50 or 14.50/yr and registration is about $55/yr per car.

And vehicles 25 years old in TX can be registered as antique, plates are for 5 years, and no inspection whatsoever.

[DodgeZ]

And vehicles 25 years old in TX can be registered as antique, plates are for 5 years, and no inspection whatsoever.

SC had the same thing and it looks like the same problem with the plates.

"Antique Vehicle

Antique license plates are issued for cars, trucks or motorcycles that are at least 25 years old and are a collector’s item. The vehicle must be used exclusively for exhibitions, club activities, parades or other functions of public interest. Vehicles displaying Antique plates may not be used for regular transportation or carry advertising. The vehicle may be driven to and from a location for routine maintenance.

Antique plates are issued for five-year periods. The registration fee for the five-year period is $50.30 ($10 per year, plus an additional 30 cents for the registration insignia) for vehicles manufactured in 1921 and subsequent years and $40.30 ($8 per year, plus an additional 30 cents for the registration insignia) for vehicles manufactured in 1920 and prior years. Fees are reduced $10/$8 for each year of the period that has elapsed at the time the application is filed."

[RoadWarrior222]

Yeah, here it says parades, to and from official club shows and for maintenance only. No Sunday afternoon joyrides = WTF is the point.

[JeremyL]

SC had the same thing and it looks like the same problem with the plates.

"Antique Vehicle

Antique license plates are issued for cars, trucks or motorcycles that are at least 25 years old and are a collector’s item. The vehicle must be used exclusively for exhibitions, club activities, parades or other functions of public interest. Vehicles displaying Antique plates may not be used for regular transportation or carry advertising. The vehicle may be driven to and from a location for routine maintenance.


Never heard of anyone in my area being hassled for antique plates.

[Sgt Craig]

After reading all this im lucky I didnt die after towing this across the country.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb289/Cmartjr31/100_0907.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb289/Cmartjr31/100_0906.jpg

[bakes]

After reading all this im lucky I didnt die after towing this across the country.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb289/Cmartjr31/100_0907.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb289/Cmartjr31/100_0906.jpg

how many pounds is that bad boy????
my 35' comes in 12,500 dry
26479

[Sgt Craig]

how many pounds is that bad boy????
my 35' comes in 12,500 dry
26479

I dont have a clue how heavy it was.It was 43 ft long and had I think 5 slide outs.It didnt tow bad except for a storm I ran into out in Nebraska,blew me all over the road.I pulled off until it cleared back up.For sure the longest and heaviest tow behind ive pulled.I pulled alot of 38ft Mobile Suites out of Indiana to parts all over.They would make it squat a bit, but towed great.

[RoadWarrior222]

Looks like a park model rather than something you normally tow much.

Just saw a semi truck and 7 car trailer for sale for $23000, also box trailers for 2-4000, that would set some of you guys up for moving. (Actually I've often thought if I moved cross country, I'd buy a box trailer, pay an OD to haul it, and sell it when I got there)

[Sgt Craig]

Looks like a park model rather than something you normally tow much.

Just saw a semi truck and 7 car trailer for sale for $23000, also box trailers for 2-4000, that would set some of you guys up for moving. (Actually I've often thought if I moved cross country, I'd buy a box trailer, pay an OD to haul it, and sell it when I got there)

Yes it was a park model.Thankfully it was a pretty new one and hadnt sat much.I checked it over before heading out.

[DodgeZdad]

Drove Kevin's diesel back to SC from Texas with the cruise set at 70 and made 19.6 MPG. This truck is the way to cruise! He set it back back to stock but it will go like a bat out of hell.

[DodgeZ]

Drove Kevin's diesel back to SC from Texas with the cruise set at 70 and made 19.6 MPG. This truck is the way to cruise! He set it back back to stock but it will go like a bat out of hell.

it is a damn good towing rig. No doubt about that. The tires are a little bigger so the speedo isn't right. It should be a hair over 20mpg. When it has the stock tune in it still has 325hp and 610tq which is a boat load of power for it empty.

[DodgeZ]

http://cars.failblog.org/2010/10/24/funny-car-photos-i-like-to-travel-light/