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Dave
08-27-2010, 12:54 AM
After 6 years of being down, Ruby (our 1989 Dodge Caravan ES) is finally getting put back together. For those who don't know the story, here's a quick summary.

Back in 2000 my parents decided to buy this van that they saw sitting at the end of some person's lawn. It had, from what I remember, a broken front windshield from a plow truck. Other than that they were able to drive it back home. After a quick fix up (CAI, exhaust, and a MBC set to 12psi) it was off to the track. In 2003 I was 15 and I was able to finally race something. This was my first car ever to go down the 1/4 mile in...well at the time I was only allowed 1/8mile. I think back then it was going high 9's in the 1/8th. Not bad for a first race. :thumb:

Over the winter of 2004 my parent's rebuilt it to what most remember...

2.5 bored .020 over with Mahle pistons
TII Garrett turbo with braided steel lines
TII intercooler
Type H BOV
Ram air with K&N filter
Ported G-head
Ported exhaust manifold
2.5" exhaust with manual cut out directly after downpipe
+20% injectors, Accufab AFPR, and Walbro 255 L/hr fuel pump
HP Performance manual boost controller (set to 18psi)
FWD Performance Stage III calibration
MSD coil and 8mm Taylor plug wires
All polyurethane mounts
Phantom Grip posi unit, and reverse manual valve body

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/medium/ruby_9-21_high_straight_on_engine_shot.jpg
What it was in 2004.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/medium/ruby_9-21_interior_from_inside_van.jpg
Surprisingly it still looks the same...

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/ruby_9-21_low_driver_rear.jpg
Over the summer it went 13.96 at 98mph on 110/93 mix uncapped exhaust, at 18psi on drag radials.

In the fall of 04 they took it to Turbopalooza and there they blew it up. Should've known not to try and tune off a narrow band A/F gauge. ;) Melted cylinder 1 pretty well. So there it sat in our garage for 6 full years.

Here's a few more of what it looked like in 04.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/medium/ruby_9-21_closer_SRT_VAN.jpg

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/500/medium/burnout_ruby.jpg

So that's the past... here it is today...

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs381.snc4/44449_429436013846_501663846_4884214_6825370_n.jpg

For the rebuild I tried to stay close to how it was before, almost as if I were to restore it, however, I will upgrading a few things. Here's what it will be now for Part 1.

.030" over JE pistons
Sealed Power rings
ARP Main studs
ARP rod bolts
ARP head studs
Melling HV pump
Fel Pro HG (just for this year)
Custom made oil and coolant feed lines
The same T03 Garrett TII Turbo
Big can WG
HP Perf. MBC
Stock rail and injectors
Stock ECU
DSM 2 core FMIC
2.25" charge pipes
3" ram air intake
Same 2.5" exhaust with a cutout
Poly Trans mount
Same Poly side and front motor mount
Billet dist. hold down clamp
Billet TU water neck
All new fasteners for the manifolds from TU
NGK BPR7ES spark plugs
Magnacore 10mm wires
MSD Blaster 2 Coil
Summit Racing 16" electric fan
RMVB
Modified stock Torque Converter with an added torrington bearing, increased to stall to approximately 3,500.
Stock trans other than those 2 pieces for now

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs132.ash2/39935_423944713846_501663846_4751540_1384718_n.jpg
The first of the parts collection.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs387.snc4/45039_429435248846_501663846_4884177_785210_n.jpg
The donor engine.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs187.ash2/45039_429435243846_501663846_4884176_1857919_n.jpg
Thanks to Christian (Bubba) for the deal on the short block!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs387.snc4/45039_429435253846_501663846_4884178_4801339_n.jpg
Back at home.

More....

turbovanmanČ
08-27-2010, 03:55 AM
About time you got it going again, :thumb:

Dave
08-27-2010, 08:09 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs368.snc4/45164_426110068846_501663846_4805134_1625915_n.jpg
More parts.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs396.snc4/45961_426570278846_501663846_4817341_7209916_n.jpg
Putting the wife-in-training to work. :thumb:

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Freshly milled 782 head.

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http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs181.ash2/44449_429435998846_501663846_4884211_1578597_n.jpg
Dont mind the valve cover. If you know us, that's just temporary to keep dirt out.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs381.snc4/44449_429435993846_501663846_4884210_7208220_n.jpg
More mockup.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs361.snc4/44449_429436003846_501663846_4884212_4033775_n.jpg
Turbo :)

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The dog really doesnt contribute much... just kind of lays there and runs away when the compressor kicks on. lol

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs181.ash2/44449_429435983846_501663846_4884208_4217893_n.jpg
Minivan action.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs381.snc4/44449_429436008846_501663846_4884213_4434619_n.jpg
It's gettin there...

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs381.snc4/44449_429436013846_501663846_4884214_6825370_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs361.snc4/44449_429436018846_501663846_4884215_5164575_n.jpg
Still not real sure which color intake and valve cover I want to go with?

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs181.ash2/44449_429436023846_501663846_4884216_4625405_n.jpg

Dave
08-27-2010, 08:24 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs181.ash2/44449_429436028846_501663846_4884217_903266_n.jpg
I went ahead and made my own coolant feed, I didn't like how it always goes over the CHRA, too much clutter and it's a pita sometimes to mess with all the hoses and WG.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs402.snc4/46543_429436068846_501663846_4884218_2512815_n.jpg
More.

That's about where we are as of today. I'm taking a break tonight. We have to get up early to get our marriage license on Saturday then head out to Pinks to give some much needed support to Rob and Reeves. :thumb:

More on Tuesday or Wednesday.

-Bryan

BIG PSI
08-27-2010, 10:12 AM
My Son, you memory is starting to fade a little.

We bought Ruby on 12-27-00.

The passenger sliding door glass got busted out by a plow truck.

I had to get the mini towed to work as the owner's son tried to steal the mini and broke the ignition cylinder.

I could not get the key to turn.

You were racing RUBY in TCR: Teen Championship Racing back in 2001, when you turned 13. (that was the age you had to be to race at Dragway 42).

The cars had to run 11.00 or slower and we had a hard time keeping RUBY under the 11.00 mark.

Here is a link to TCR: http://www.greerdragway.com/driver%20profiles/tcr%20drivers/tcr.htm

Now for your memory, quite drinking any alcohol as it wipes out brain cells and start drinking more MILK

Love Dad
:D----------:thumb:----------:lol:

unluckyty
08-27-2010, 08:23 PM
Nice looking build for the mini. Glad to hear you got moved into your new place, Chuck. Can't wait to see it in action at the track.

Greg

BIG PSI
08-27-2010, 09:12 PM
Nice looking build for the mini. Glad to hear you got moved into your new place, Chuck. Can't wait to see it in action at the track.

Greg

Greg,

We are still at our original house.
We are waiting on a move date.
Should be the 3rd week of Sept.
We have started to pack boxes and have about 1/5 of our stuff that way.
Once we get the date we will kick it up a notch.

Chuck

Vigo
08-28-2010, 12:15 AM
Well, im glad to see it's going back together. When i stopped by last year i thought it was a shame for such a nice van to be sitting there with no motor!

I really like the coolant line you made. BTW, that's the return, not the feed. I think i might copy that idea myself :D

Share pics of the intercooler install when you get to it.

Dave
08-30-2010, 11:11 PM
Well, im glad to see it's going back together. When i stopped by last year i thought it was a shame for such a nice van to be sitting there with no motor!

I really like the coolant line you made. BTW, that's the return, not the feed. I think i might copy that idea myself :D

Share pics of the intercooler install when you get to it.

Interesting... Guess Ive never really looked at our cooling system real close. ;) Thanks though!

More pics tomorrow!

turbovanmanČ
08-31-2010, 12:38 PM
Looking good but why the Felpro?

Get rid of the HV pump, add's unnecessary strain to the aux shaft and oil pump gears.

Yep, as RW said, the coolant comes in thru the back of the block, study the flow of coolant-the water comes IN thru the waterpump to the block, then goes up thru the head and out into the rad, :p

Dave
08-31-2010, 05:25 PM
Looking good but why the Felpro?

Get rid of the HV pump, add's unnecessary strain to the aux shaft and oil pump gears.

Yep, as RW said, the coolant comes in thru the back of the block, study the flow of coolant-the water comes IN thru the waterpump to the block, then goes up thru the head and out into the rad, :p

I ordered a 005 from Chris but it got bent up in transit, so all we had laying around was a Fel Pro. :( No big deal, I'll use the 005 when I decide to pull it apart again in the winter.

The HV pump was already installed otherwise I would have never chosen that part, myself.

Good to know about the cooling lines. ;)

Got a newish alternator and a Mopar HEP from Bubba, thanks again, Christian!
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs300.snc4/41353_431011798846_501663846_4924283_8285329_n.jpg

Also got the NGK BPR6ES in and the Magnacore 10mm wires on.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs201.ash2/46415_431011943846_501663846_4924294_4288111_n.jpg

Dad's finishing the trans. tonight. It needs some love!
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs187.ash2/45054_431012313846_501663846_4924305_6444973_n.jpg

Here's the DSM 2 row FMIC I'll be using, along with the old ram air filter we'll be using.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs211.ash2/47447_431012453846_501663846_4924308_6611342_n.jpg

Tomorrow I hope we'll get the RMVB in and bolt the engine and trans together. Should finish cleaning the lines and permanently mounting the fittings... I need to grab another starter, the old one got burnt up real bad... clean the k-member and I really hope to have it in tomorrow. Wish us luck!

-Bryan

turbovanmanČ
08-31-2010, 06:18 PM
Where'd you get the red cap?

BIG PSI
08-31-2010, 07:07 PM
Where'd you get the red cap?

I got that at Auto Zone a couple of years ago.
I don't believe that they still stock them.
So I had that one sitting for some time, just waiting.

Chuck

gasketmaster
09-01-2010, 01:37 AM
Hey Boys :)

I'm in Batavia, Ohio right now :p

If I had a bit more time I'd drive up and visit :D

The van is coming along nicely!

turbovanmanČ
09-01-2010, 01:49 AM
Hey Boys :)

I'm in Batavia, Ohio right now :p

If I had a bit more time I'd drive up and visit :D

The van is coming along nicely!

WTF are you doing there? :confused:

Dave
09-01-2010, 07:35 AM
Hey Boys :)

I'm in Batavia, Ohio right now :p

If I had a bit more time I'd drive up and visit :D

The van is coming along nicely!

Aw, Terry c'mon!! It would be great to meet you in person. I think you'd like our collection of what we have in our garages. ;)

BIG PSI
09-01-2010, 09:15 AM
Terry,

If you can come up and see us I will even buy you supper.

Chuck

gasketmaster
09-01-2010, 01:14 PM
WTF are you doing there? :confused:

I spent my teenage years about 60 miles from here in Cynthiana, Kentucky ;)

My class of 78 is all turning 50 this year so we are having a Big 50 BBQ this Saturday :D

A good friend of mine lives here in Batavia so we're gettin' together tonight to get some grub and do a bit of bench racing :p

gasketmaster
09-01-2010, 01:16 PM
Terry,

If you can come up and see us I will even buy you supper.

Chuck

Where exactly do you live and how far is it from Cinncinati? :)

turbovanmanČ
09-01-2010, 01:24 PM
I spent my teenage years about 60 miles from here in Cynthiana, Kentucky ;)

My class of 78 is all turning 50 this year so we are having a Big 50 BBQ this Saturday :D

A good friend of mine lives here in Batavia so we're gettin' together tonight to get some grub and do a bit of bench racing :p

Cool, :D

BIG PSI
09-01-2010, 02:32 PM
Where exactly do you live and how far is it from Cinncinati? :)

We are the OTHER side of the state.
That would be a 4 hour (one way trip in a car).
We live in Cuyahoga Falls, Oh. 44223

Chuck

gasketmaster
09-01-2010, 02:40 PM
We are the OTHER side of the state.
That would be a 4 hour (one way trip in a car).
We live in Cuyahoga Falls, Oh. 44223

Chuck

Well I don't think that's in the cards this trip but we are talking about coming out to SDAC next year ;)

BIG PSI
09-01-2010, 04:16 PM
Well I don't think that's in the cards this trip but we are talking about coming out to SDAC next year ;)

If you come to SDAC in 2011 are you flying out or towing out the Mini ?

Chuck

Dave
09-04-2010, 07:29 AM
Got some more work done on Wed.

Some more pretty pieces...
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs428.snc4/47111_431961773846_501663846_4941696_2156230_n.jpg

Turbo Action, Cheetah RMVB
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs296.snc4/41146_431962498846_501663846_4941708_2817866_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs432.snc4/47538_431962578846_501663846_4941709_2591596_n.jpg

Minivans.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs434.snc4/47687_431962668846_501663846_4941710_669125_n.jpg

Freshly blasted and painted POR15 exhaust mani, swingvalve, and turbo bracket.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs403.snc4/46582_431962853846_501663846_4941712_3698478_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs299.snc4/41276_431963238846_501663846_4941723_2558409_n.jpg

I may try to swing over again tonight and put my lines back on and button a few last odd's and ends. The k-frame still needs cleaned and painted as do the fuel lines, and one last part of the wiring harness needs touched up. I need to install my electric fan... Lots to do still!

-Bryan

Reeves
09-04-2010, 10:45 AM
You running a slider cam with roller rockers?

Also, it's much easier to put the intake manifold on first, then the exhaust manifold.

Just a tip ;)

Looking good!

turbovanmanČ
09-04-2010, 11:55 AM
Also, it's much easier to put the intake manifold on first, then the exhaust manifold.

Just a tip ;)

Looking good!

+2, not sure if you can get the intake on with the ex on, tried it the other day, :o

Reeves
09-05-2010, 01:34 PM
+2, not sure if you can get the intake on with the ex on, tried it the other day, :o

You can, but you're going to be making custom sockets (ground down).

BIG PSI
09-05-2010, 05:35 PM
He just put the exhaust manifold on while working on the turbo.

I still have to wash out the intake, TB, and fuel line with gas to make sure that there is NO media blasting beads in them.

I wouldn't want to get that in the motor (yuck) or oops !!!!!

Dave
09-07-2010, 12:05 AM
You running a slider cam with roller rockers?

Also, it's much easier to put the intake manifold on first, then the exhaust manifold.

Just a tip ;)

Looking good!

What? I do believe it's an all roller setup. What made you think otherwise?

I know, lol, I keep forgetting every time I install the manifolds. Got it on tonight and the engine is kind of in... it's at least between the tires. :D

Vigo
09-07-2010, 01:09 AM
As long as it's between the front tires it counts:thumb:

Dave
09-07-2010, 01:45 AM
As long as it's between the front tires it counts:thumb:

Hell! It's done then!

Reeves
09-07-2010, 08:43 AM
What? I do believe it's an all roller setup. What made you think otherwise?

Looks like the cam lobes are exceptionally wide.....like a slider cam.

Dave
09-07-2010, 09:23 AM
Looks like the cam lobes are exceptionally wide.....like a slider cam.

Hmmm is that the only way to tell without removing the cam caps and looking for the oil slots? The head is off a log car so it is possible. I dont know if the cam gears are the same keyway attachment, but my old round tooth gear went right on.

Reeves
09-07-2010, 09:44 AM
Hmmm is that the only way to tell without removing the cam caps and looking for the oil slots? The head is off a log car so it is possible. I dont know if the cam gears are the same keyway attachment, but my old round tooth gear went right on.

Do you have any roller cams laying around to compare the width of the lobes to?

The oil slots in the cam caps may or may not be there depending on which cam/rockers the head was originally equipped with.

The key and sprockets all fit exactly the same. There may be timing issues though.

Vigo
09-07-2010, 12:44 PM
I agree, i have never seen a roller that looked like that..

glhs727
09-07-2010, 12:58 PM
yes, looks like a slider cam. Sliders have wider lobes that are .88" wide. Rollers have skinnier lobes that are only .68" wide. You don't have to take off a cam cap to see that....

Dave
09-07-2010, 10:29 PM
yes, looks like a slider cam. Sliders have wider lobes that are .88" wide. Rollers have skinnier lobes that are only .68" wide. You don't have to take off a cam cap to see that....

Uh-oh! I will measure this with my calipers tomorrow and find out. Thanks for the info!

If it is a slider, I can simply install non-slotted cam caps and the roller cam and be ok I'd imagine. According to The Dodge Garage you can swap from roller to slider so I'd imagine it would be ok vice-versa.

You know what... I think I remember seeing roller fulcrums on the rocker arms.... I'll double check anyway tomorrow. I just have a crummy valve cover on there now not bolted down (you know, just in case I decide to get ripped out of my mind and start wrenching on it I don't mess it up :D ) so it's no big deal to check.

Anyway, on with happy news! :)

From yesterday and today....

Trans is painted.. turned it a tad blue... Figured out half our parts are one shade of silver as the others. :banghead:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs408.snc4/47118_432808413846_501663846_4957260_6800403_n.jpg

More goodies.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs306.ash2/58592_432809143846_501663846_4957278_2782961_n.jpg

Back part is done.
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Well we tried it this way first by swinging the engine from the hoist and bolting the trans on with a jack...ended up not working! :p
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This concluded last night...
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Today was much better! :)
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Look at that k-frame!!! :dancingbana:
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Getting there...
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All bolted in for the night! Trans tomorrow.
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For tomorrow, install trans, radiator, start hooking up electronics and heater line, downpipe, brackets, axles, put the suspension and tires back on, and maaaaybe start on mounting interfooler! :)

glhs727
09-07-2010, 10:43 PM
DON'T swap / mismatch cam caps!!! these are specific to each head. Just swap out the cam and rockers

Reeves
09-08-2010, 08:21 AM
DON'T swap / mismatch cam caps!!! these are specific to each head. Just swap out the cam and rockers

Yeah, what she said ;)

The cam caps are like main caps or rod caps.....they are machined while bolted together. They then are married to that specific head/location/orientation and should never be swapped.

The extra oiling slots (if it has them) won't hurt you at all.

Dave
09-08-2010, 10:05 AM
Yeah, what she said ;)

The cam caps are like main caps or rod caps.....they are machined while bolted together. They then are married to that specific head/location/orientation and should never be swapped.

The extra oiling slots (if it has them) won't hurt you at all.

Ok that was I was concerned about. I just called Rob and he said the same thing. ;)

1BADVAN
09-08-2010, 12:04 PM
why are you installing the trans separately? why not just put it in all as one unit?

Vigo
09-08-2010, 02:38 PM
Here's some unsolicited advice related to what 1BADVAN's question..

I find it easiest to put the engine and trans in together as one assembly. There's a bit of a process there.. First, obviously, is get the engine and trans bolted together. Make sure the trans mount is bolted to the trans. Then get the front of the van up high enough that you can slide the engine/trans under the van to the engine bay. Then lower the van back down enough to where its comfortable to lean over the top and get to things.

Since the engine and trans together are pretty long assembly, they wont fit between the legs of the hoist if you put it in from the front, so i bring the hoist in from the side, so the legs can go on either side of the engine/trans. Then i hook the hoist up to the end of the cylinder head in one of the holes for the 15mm bolts there. Lifting it from that point has the engine hanging lower than the trans which is what i like, because it is easiest to get the trans mount in first. The receptacle on the body for the trans mount is kind of coned so that as long as you get the trans mount underneath it and lift up it will automatically center itself so you can put the bolt through. Once you get the long bolt through the trans mount, you can keep jacking up the hoist and it will pivot the engine/trans off the attached trans mount and lift up the front of the motor. Once i get it above the frame rail i bolt on the passenger mount and then lower it into its body receptacle..

Ive found that to be the fastest and easiest way to hang the drivetrain in the engine bay.


/ unsolicited advice.

Keep up the good work!

BIG PSI
09-08-2010, 06:29 PM
We fought for 2 hours trying to get the trans in today.

I may just take the motor back out and bolt the trans to it and do the VIGO SLIDE !!! (lol)

But if that does not work out, then next Tuesday OhioRob is making a house call.

I am getting ready to move and just do not have time to mess with it.

Chuck

turbovanmanČ
09-08-2010, 06:34 PM
Guess I am lucky, I just lower the van down on the powertrain, or any other turbo mopar, :eyebrows:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20and%20van%20pics/workcamera147.jpg

Reeves
09-08-2010, 07:31 PM
Take the K-frame out and you'll have a TON of room to drop the vehicle down on the engine/trans.

Don't really need to on a van, but, it still helps.

turbovanmanČ
09-08-2010, 07:45 PM
Take the K-frame out and you'll have a TON of room to drop the vehicle down on the engine/trans.

Don't really need to on a van, but, it still helps.

Nah, even L body's have room, :nod:

Reeves
09-08-2010, 07:52 PM
Nah, even L body's have room, :nod:

Sure.....if you're a hack.

turbovanmanČ
09-08-2010, 08:00 PM
Sure.....if you're a hack.

Why? I do it all on TD's, never hacked anything, even an L body.

Vigo
09-08-2010, 11:20 PM
Ive never taken a k-frame out to get a motor or trans in or out, either bolted together or separate..

Dave
09-09-2010, 08:48 AM
we tried putting it together first, couldnt get the trans to line up though..this i why we tried it separately.

Made a bunch more progress yesterday...pics tonight.

BIG PSI
09-09-2010, 08:53 AM
You guys have to remember one thing

I AM NOT A MECHANIC, heck I can't do brakes, but I am one of the best at getting the ratchets, screwdrivers, hammers, sockets, air tools handed to you.

What I am decent doing is detailing (painting) the motor pieces.
That is why I called Rob.

Reeves
09-09-2010, 09:54 AM
Ive never taken a k-frame out to get a motor or trans in or out, either bolted together or separate..

It's a hell of a lot easier to go in/out the bottom that way.


But in L's, I just take the whole combo out the top.

Van, took it out the bottom with K-Frame in place.

Trans by theirselves I take out the bottom with K-frame out. MUCH easier!

Unless it's a van....then the K can stay in.

turbovanmanČ
09-09-2010, 01:23 PM
It's a hell of a lot easier to go in/out the bottom that way.


But in L's, I just take the whole combo out the top.

Van, took it out the bottom with K-Frame in place.

Trans by theirselves I take out the bottom with K-frame out. MUCH easier!

Unless it's a van....then the K can stay in.

I do all out thru the bottom, so easy, if doing engine and trans.

L body trans, next one I'll take out the damn K-member if doing a stock 525 trans, that bracket on the diff housing gets caught on the k-member, grrr. :mad:

Reeves
09-09-2010, 01:34 PM
L body trans, next one I'll take out the damn K-member if doing a stock 525 trans, that bracket on the diff housing gets caught on the k-member, grrr. :mad:

But if it's the engine and trans then it magically clears the K-frame? :confused2:

Vigo
09-09-2010, 01:56 PM
It's a hell of a lot easier to go in/out the bottom that way.


I dont see how much easier it can get.. heh. I think L-bodies are the ONLY situation where that remotely makes sense, personally.

Dave
09-10-2010, 07:47 PM
You guys have to remember one thing

I AM NOT A MECHANIC, heck I can't do brakes, but I am one of the best at getting the ratchets, screwdrivers, hammers, sockets, air tools handed to you.

What I am decent doing is detailing (painting) the motor pieces.
That is why I called Rob.

Since I have no idea wtf I'm doing. :rolleyes: Hope the drive is worth it for him to do your brakes then.

Dave
09-10-2010, 11:33 PM
Anyway, more progress...

Trying to get the trans in.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs700.snc4/62020_435222393846_501663846_5006690_5793211_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs408.snc4/47085_435222573846_501663846_5006698_7755073_n.jpg

Starting on tucking the wires for the passenger's side.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs641.snc4/60165_435222808846_501663846_5006710_6161755_n.jpg

Gross...
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs214.ash2/47722_435222948846_501663846_5006717_4568562_n.jpg

Much better.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs664.snc4/60483_435223083846_501663846_5006725_1912775_n.jpg

Got to installing my vacuum block and painted the MAP bracket.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs423.snc4/46654_435223558846_501663846_5006730_8170317_n.jpg

Ran the wire harness from alongside the frame.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs322.ash2/60241_435223568846_501663846_5006731_7413812_n.jpg

Put everything in place where the charcoal canister used to reside.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs299.ash2/57980_435223688846_501663846_5006733_8133951_n.jpg

That's it.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs157.ash2/41165_435223788846_501663846_5006734_1312009_n.jpg

Reeves
09-11-2010, 01:00 PM
Looks like your timing belt tensioner is the wrong side of tensioned. It looks like it is up tensioned instead of down tensioned.

Looking good! :D

cordes
09-11-2010, 01:26 PM
Why the one piece? It looks great, but with all of the pieces you have put together I would think that you would pick up quite a bit from a two piece.

As far as dropping the K frame to take out the trans, I sure don't.

Even in an Omni I put a couple short studs in the top two holes, take off the trans mount etc., climb under the car, pick it up off the studs and lower it down onto my chest. I've got a little practice now, but it's not too bad.

IIRC the last time I think I actually put the top front bolt in while holding the trans up there.

turbovanmanČ
09-11-2010, 04:01 PM
But if it's the engine and trans then it magically clears the K-frame? :confused2:

From the bottom as one unit, yes, you have wiggle room without the engine mounts etc. Installing the trans, you don't have any side to side room so it gets jammed.

You did notice I said stock 525 trans, right? I put a 555 or 523, can't remember, in an L body and it was cake, no rear bracket per say.

Dave
09-12-2010, 05:54 AM
Looks like your timing belt tensioner is the wrong side of tensioned. It looks like it is up tensioned instead of down tensioned.

Looking good! :D

Seriously?? lol I have been working on TD's for all these years and never knew that. lol So the tensioner needs to spun towards the downside of the eccentric?

Thanks for all your help. You've caught quite a few flaws so far. On that note as well, I should be ok just running the slider setup, right? Even if it's a common block?


Why the one piece? It looks great, but with all of the pieces you have put together I would think that you would pick up quite a bit from a two piece.

As far as dropping the K frame to take out the trans, I sure don't.

Even in an Omni I put a couple short studs in the top two holes, take off the trans mount etc., climb under the car, pick it up off the studs and lower it down onto my chest. I've got a little practice now, but it's not too bad.

IIRC the last time I think I actually put the top front bolt in while holding the trans up there.

The 2 piece intake wasn't free, lol, so I had to stick to my budget. For part II (late Winter) I plan to buy a 2 piece lower portion and build an upper plenum for it. Again, assuming wifey lets me have a $2,500 budget. ;)

BTW, on this whole trans. deal... Unless youre a body builder, you're not lifting an A413 trans. onto your chest by yourself. We struggle carrying it around the garage by itself with just my dad and I.

Thanks for all the help and support so far guys. We're getting closer and hoping to have it done by the following week.

-Bryan

cordes
09-12-2010, 09:58 AM
Seriously?? lol I have been working on TD's for all these years and never knew that. lol So the tensioner needs to spun towards the downside of the eccentric?

Thanks for all your help. You've caught quite a few flaws so far. On that note as well, I should be ok just running the slider setup, right? Even if it's a common block?



The 2 piece intake wasn't free, lol, so I had to stick to my budget. For part II (late Winter) I plan to buy a 2 piece lower portion and build an upper plenum for it. Again, assuming wifey lets me have a $2,500 budget. ;)

BTW, on this whole trans. deal... Unless youre a body builder, you're not lifting an A413 trans. onto your chest by yourself. We struggle carrying it around the garage by itself with just my dad and I.

Thanks for all the help and support so far guys. We're getting closer and hoping to have it done by the following week.

-Bryan

How much more do the autos weigh than a manual? The last time I did the 555 in my Omni it was really easy. I do lift weights as a hobby though.

Reeves
09-12-2010, 11:29 AM
Seriously?? lol I have been working on TD's for all these years and never knew that. lol So the tensioner needs to spun towards the downside of the eccentric?

Thanks for all your help. You've caught quite a few flaws so far. On that note as well, I should be ok just running the slider setup, right? Even if it's a common block?



The 2 piece intake wasn't free, lol, so I had to stick to my budget. For part II (late Winter) I plan to buy a 2 piece lower portion and build an upper plenum for it. Again, assuming wifey lets me have a $2,500 budget. ;)

BTW, on this whole trans. deal... Unless youre a body builder, you're not lifting an A413 trans. onto your chest by yourself. We struggle carrying it around the garage by itself with just my dad and I.

Thanks for all the help and support so far guys. We're getting closer and hoping to have it done by the following week.

-Bryan

Yup, supposed to be down tensioned. :nod:

Are you going to use roller rockers with the slider cam or slider rockers? I'd just go to a junkyard and try to find a roller cam with roller rockers. Preferably a 88TBI or so.




How much more do the autos weigh than a manual? The last time I did the 555 in my Omni it was really easy. I do lift weights as a hobby though.

Auto's are freaking heavy.

cordes
09-12-2010, 11:49 AM
Yup, supposed to be down tensioned. :nod:

Are you going to use roller rockers with the slider cam or slider rockers? I'd just go to a junkyard and try to find a roller cam with roller rockers. Preferably a 88TBI or so.





Auto's are freaking heavy.

I didn't realize that they were that much heavier. Just one more reason to keep rowing through the gears I guess.

BIG PSI
09-12-2010, 02:18 PM
Yes autos weigh about TWICE that of the 5-manuals.

We do have a complete roller cam, lifters, & rockers here.

We dipped them in a special sauce (lol) and now they are all clean and pretty.

I would imagine Bryan will put them in.

Chuck

turbovanmanČ
09-12-2010, 02:29 PM
Thanks for all your help. You've caught quite a few flaws so far. On that note as well, I should be ok just running the slider setup, right? Even if it's a common block?



I would run a roller setup, it free's up alot of friction per say and unless your head has the squirters in the caps, then you can't run the slider.



Auto's are freaking heavy.


Yep, try with an OBX, almost put my back out lifting the damn thing, :o

5 speeds are damn light, :( lol.

Vigo
09-12-2010, 04:19 PM
I weighed the trannies years ago..

The manual with no clutch in it (since the flywheel,clutch,etc stay bolted to engine) was ~85 lbs.

The auto with the torque converter in it (unlike the manual that heavy junk has to be ON the trans while you lift it) and the fluid that is usually trapped in the converter, is 150-160. It is not a SAFE weight for anyone to handle by themselves without hoist, jack, etc.

cordes
09-13-2010, 11:56 AM
I weighed the trannies years ago..

The manual with no clutch in it (since the flywheel,clutch,etc stay bolted to engine) was ~85 lbs.

The auto with the torque converter in it (unlike the manual that heavy junk has to be ON the trans while you lift it) and the fluid that is usually trapped in the converter, is 150-160. It is not a SAFE weight for anyone to handle by themselves without hoist, jack, etc.

Interesting. I know I've read guys say that the 555s weigh about 125. I guess that's quite a bit off.

I have carried around 413s before and they are noticeably heavier than the 5 speeds, but I would have never thought it was by that much. Wow.

Vigo
09-13-2010, 01:01 PM
Most times you do not pick them up with the converter in them, but when you are putting them in the car the converter MUST be in them. The converter itself weighs ~30lbs i think.

cordes
09-13-2010, 02:24 PM
Most times you do not pick them up with the converter in them, but when you are putting them in the car the converter MUST be in them. The converter itself weighs ~30lbs i think.

That's probably the big difference. Those converters are heavy.

Dave
09-14-2010, 08:20 AM
Yup, supposed to be down tensioned. :nod:

Are you going to use roller rockers with the slider cam or slider rockers? I'd just go to a junkyard and try to find a roller cam with roller rockers. Preferably a 88TBI or so.





Auto's are freaking heavy.

I'll fix that today. I do have a complete roller setup.


I would run a roller setup, it free's up alot of friction per say and unless your head has the squirters in the caps, then you can't run the slider.




Yep, try with an OBX, almost put my back out lifting the damn thing, :o

5 speeds are damn light, :( lol.

The cam bearing caps DO have the slots for oiling. I know the newer roller setups do not have this, I was just being sure I would not lose oil pressure over it. I also am not sure if the cam is oiled the same between these heads. The Mopar Performance catalog mentioned something about internal oiling on these cams. :confused:


I weighed the trannies years ago..

The manual with no clutch in it (since the flywheel,clutch,etc stay bolted to engine) was ~85 lbs.

The auto with the torque converter in it (unlike the manual that heavy junk has to be ON the trans while you lift it) and the fluid that is usually trapped in the converter, is 150-160. It is not a SAFE weight for anyone to handle by themselves without hoist, jack, etc.

Yikes! :eek: I was guessing 100lbs. Hmmm, and no wonder I hurt my finger when I dropped a 30lb torque converter on it. :D

While we're on it, guess what decided to work its way in on Sunday night??

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs655.snc4/61581_435958888846_501663846_5025225_6376395_n.jpg

A tranny!! :banaride: Wooo! My friend (who bought my old Acclaim (which btw has now been sent to the crusher (because of rust (because of Ohio))) and also bought the LWB Minivan) came over and we got it in within 20 minutes. :rolleyes: What a slap in the face...

Once we got that done it was small things, center the motor mounts, tighten all the loose ends up, pulled out the wiring harness decided that's going to be a lot of fun, tossed an intercooler in, yay it fits, and then I got lazy and went home.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs627.snc4/58753_435958553846_501663846_5025213_743647_n.jpg

More today!
-Bryan

Reeves
09-14-2010, 08:47 AM
You can run the roller cam in the old head no problem. The grooves that are cut in the old heads were to shoot oil on the sliders. It won't hurt anything.

turbovanmanČ
09-14-2010, 01:59 PM
You can run the roller cam in the old head no problem. The grooves that are cut in the old heads were to shoot oil on the sliders. It won't hurt anything.

What he said and you probably loose 3 psi of oil pressure with the squirters, :p

Dave
09-15-2010, 08:44 AM
It's a sexy party! :dancingbana:

Ran a shat town of errands this morning to get ready for the wedding. Finally got over to dad's around 2:00. Got about 5 hrs of work in today.

Started on the starter wiring.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs673.snc4/61319_436839333846_501663846_5045483_92742_n.jpg

...and the speed dist. sensor/Neutral safety harness as well.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs611.snc4/59172_436839373846_501663846_5045484_4277492_n.jpg

The "chrome" looking convulated tubing is actually Taylor high temp (1,000*F rated) conduit. I also used DEI high temp heat tape.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs311.ash2/59127_436839448846_501663846_5045485_4842250_n.jpg

Cleaned and painted the k-frame, control arms, calipers, well everything actually. :thumb:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs677.snc4/61763_436839063846_501663846_5045481_936934_n.jpg

Other side.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs659.snc4/59896_436839098846_501663846_5045482_6103600_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs675.snc4/61582_436839568846_501663846_5045487_3107876_n.jpg

Hey I even painted the axle as well. ;)
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs651.snc4/61138_436839708846_501663846_5045493_6230457_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs355.ash2/63489_436839828846_501663846_5045498_3037928_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs665.snc4/60526_436839938846_501663846_5045500_7741354_n.jpg

Back on the ground!
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs673.snc4/61308_436846113846_501663846_5045552_5977414_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs299.ash2/57944_436846253846_501663846_5045554_340104_n.jpg

More today.

Reeves
09-15-2010, 09:19 AM
Looking good man! :clap:

And, I'm sure you already know, but that chrome is conductive. Just make sure it ain't touching anything on the starter wires.

Dave
09-15-2010, 11:23 AM
Looking good man! :clap:

And, I'm sure you already know, but that chrome is conductive. Just make sure it ain't touching anything on the starter wires.

Did not know that, actually. It's really not chrome though, it's more of some type of reflective sprayed on coating.

Thanks for the kind words. :)

I'm off now to get some more work done.

-Bryan

Edit: On a second note, I'll ohm it out to be sure. ;)

Dave
09-15-2010, 11:58 PM
Went to dad's today for about 9 hours and did every bit of 3 hours of work. :rolleyes: Too many distractions...

Basically worked on all my wiring today, hung my vacuum block for the last time, installed my water block tee, redid the cooling fan switch...and......uh... jesus, I think that's all I did. :)

Earlier I notched the alternator to accommodate the larger electric fan... noticed this could be a problem.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs705.snc4/62519_437260323846_501663846_5052997_8107341_n.jpg

Figured it to be just a simple case ground. This should be a sufficient fix. Just ran a jumper wire from the harness to the lower stud. Also the eyelet that I used as the jumper, the bolt that attaches it was long enough to contact the alternator case as well.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs603.snc4/58335_437260533846_501663846_5052999_2941595_n.jpg

Wiring harness is freshly wrapped.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs303.ash2/58354_437260598846_501663846_5053000_1062962_n.jpg

Ughhh... I hate wires, they're so ugly. :(
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs658.snc4/61871_437260688846_501663846_5053001_1906724_n.jpg

For now, I still need to swap cams, drop oil pan and clean it out, mount and plumb intercooler, plumb the intake, hook up vacuum lines, make my radiator hoses, mount the trans cooler, make my breather assembly, top off with fluids, fill up the sex panther tank.

-Bryan

turbovanmanČ
09-16-2010, 01:31 AM
Why are you dropping the pan? I thought you just put it on! :confused:

Other than that, looks great, :nod:

Dave
09-17-2010, 08:26 AM
Why are you dropping the pan? I thought you just put it on! :confused:

Other than that, looks great, :nod:

I want to clean it out, I dropped a lot of crap in there. lol I also want to know for sure what I have in there since I've never physically saw in there, before. Bought it all assembled from Bubba.

Thanks for the compliments.

I have to get it running next week or it will have to wait until we move. I have this Sunday for a half day, all day Tues. and Wed. and that's it. Wish me luck!

-Bryan

BIG PSI
09-17-2010, 08:52 AM
You also have the following week on Tuesday & Wednesday the 28th & 29th of Sept to work on RUBY.

We MOVE on the 30th...................

Dad


I have faith in you ( :thumb: )

turbovanmanČ
09-17-2010, 01:29 PM
I have faith in you ( :thumb: )

I don't, hahhaa, :evil:

Dave
09-17-2010, 08:04 PM
I don't, hahhaa, :evil:

Dick. :thumb:

Dave
09-21-2010, 11:01 PM
Looky!

Cleaned the injectors
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs682.snc4/62231_439239618846_501663846_5094250_454632_n.jpg

Wired in a quick disconnect for the fan
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs688.snc4/62886_439239758846_501663846_5094251_3130241_n.jpg

Started mounting the intercooler
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs605.snc4/58542_439239953846_501663846_5094255_3907452_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs685.snc4/62500_439240168846_501663846_5094262_1604388_n.jpg

Anyone spot the Ford part in this photo? ;)
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs604.snc4/58477_439240258846_501663846_5094264_285007_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs700.snc4/62027_439240418846_501663846_5094270_1723781_n.jpg

Cleaned and painted the core support
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs325.ash2/60500_439477843846_501663846_5097931_6988013_n.jpg

Rehung the trans. cooler
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs670.snc4/61018_439511018846_501663846_5098392_5755589_n.jpg

Insulated the intercooler brackets
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs635.snc4/59508_439483093846_501663846_5098001_1630010_n.jpg

Polished and cleaned out the intercooler
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs610.snc4/59024_439483818846_501663846_5098023_6691108_n.jpg

Started on the pipes too!
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs650.snc4/61036_439506678846_501663846_5098341_3998079_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs343.ash2/62294_439511163846_501663846_5098400_7880907_n.jpg

Gadgety!
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs310.ash2/58993_439511653846_501663846_5098417_5330125_n.jpg

Still debating if I want to be different (and complicated) and run the lower pipe to the TB and the upper pipe to the turbo...hmmmm....
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs610.snc4/59078_439511718846_501663846_5098418_2842565_n.jpg

Hoping to finish the pipes tomorrow, I dont have a welder so I'll need to drop one off to my buddy to weld a BOV flange, hook up my vac lines and fuel lines, aaaaand? Geez I think that's it! :clap:

Dave
09-21-2010, 11:06 PM
Also, anyone have any good tips on plugging off the open sections on the factory air box?

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs310.ash2/58993_439511653846_501663846_5098417_5330125_n.jpg

Duct tape was there 6 years ago to seal it off. :rolleyes:

boost geek
09-21-2010, 11:30 PM
Dick. :thumb:

Huh, I miss something?

Dave
09-23-2010, 08:17 AM
Huh, I miss something?

No sir, you're just on time. :thumb:

Ok, pipes, plumbing and butt cracks, oh my! :eek:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs328.ash2/60821_439875373846_501663846_5104243_6540686_n.jpg

Finally got the correct valve cover on and painted. Yay!!
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs652.snc4/61255_439875473846_501663846_5104248_8348374_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs651.snc4/61166_439875628846_501663846_5104260_1814548_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs662.snc4/60198_439875803846_501663846_5104263_298506_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs342.ash2/62256_439875968846_501663846_5104266_4688605_n.jpg

Should like pretty odd comin' down the street. :evil:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs325.ash2/60535_439876108846_501663846_5104274_2579597_n.jpg

Dont mind that little red guy, he's just there for mockup.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs338.ash2/61811_439876308846_501663846_5104287_2950410_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs324.ash2/60391_439876368846_501663846_5104289_1687738_n.jpg

BOV will be mounted on the hot side right after the first 45* from the turbo. It's an automatic so I'm not concerned with the velocity after I close the TB.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs353.ash2/63359_439876453846_501663846_5104291_2860589_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs708.snc4/62867_439876548846_501663846_5104293_8071332_n.jpg

Tada!
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs649.snc4/60964_439876638846_501663846_5104294_4451671_n.jpg

I have no idea how, but I managed to break a fuel rail bolt off into the manifold, of course, nice and flush. :banghead: Only choice is to drill it out, no biggie, but the problem is getting to it. This is why I hate 8v's. Anyone think I can take the manifold off without pulling the head? ;)

-Bryan

Reeves
09-23-2010, 08:37 AM
I have no idea how, but I managed to break a fuel rail bolt off into the manifold, of course, nice and flush. :banghead: Only choice is to drill it out, no biggie, but the problem is getting to it. This is why I hate 8v's. Anyone think I can take the manifold off without pulling the head? ;)

-Bryan


I would think you'd have easy access to that bolt with the intake on the car. Can you drill a small hole in the center of it and use an easy out?

Looking good! :thumb:

Dave
09-24-2010, 08:21 AM
I would think you'd have easy access to that bolt with the intake on the car. Can you drill a small hole in the center of it and use an easy out?

Looking good! :thumb:

Nope, my drill is huge. lol :thumb: My friend is bringing over his 90* drill. I dont have luck with my EZ outs.

No big deal, I'm not worried.

-Bryan

PS: Wish me luck, getting married tomorrow! :clap:

ohiorob
09-24-2010, 10:30 AM
Looking good Bryan:thumb:

Dave
09-24-2010, 11:17 PM
Thanks Rob! Trying hard to get it rolling next week.

glhs727
09-24-2010, 11:30 PM
PS: Wish me luck, getting married tomorrow! :clap:

Really? well congratulations!!!!!

Dave
09-25-2010, 08:41 AM
Really? well congratulations!!!!!

Thank you so much! I'm getting pretty nervous but I'm looking forward to it. :D

Reeves
09-25-2010, 10:03 AM
Thank you so much! I'm getting pretty nervous but I'm looking forward to it. :D

Good luck to both of you!

The van would have been cool for a 'getaway' vehicle! Cans and all!

Shadow
09-25-2010, 11:05 AM
Cool thread! I've personaly Never even concidered dropping a P/T out the bottom, so easy just pulling them out the top! I think the average time for me and the bro is about 45min Clean, no cutting or butchery. Alone about 1hr-1hr 15min depending on how many ppl are standing around talking to you! lol

So, your van with the stock Garrett turbo and 8v mtr ran about as fast as Simons van is running right now.........:confused:

Many Blessings to the happy couple! :thumb:

1BADVAN
09-25-2010, 12:37 PM
Contests on the wedding I left my redeption in a mini!

BIG PSI
09-26-2010, 12:13 AM
My Son,

I hope and pray that you and you wife will have a great marriage.

I wish you & Taylor; peace and understanding throughout your marriage.

May you both always LOVE, LAUGH, and be Best Friends.

But most of all may GOD watch over you both as you travel through time together.

:love:

Best Wishes
DAD

gasketmaster
09-26-2010, 08:58 PM
My Son,

I hope and pray that you and you wife will have a great marriage.

I wish you & Taylor; peace and understanding throughout your marriage.

May you both always LOVE, LAUGH, and be Best Friends.

But most of all may GOD watch over you both as you travel through time together.

:love:

Best Wishes
DAD

Very nice Chuck :thumb:

turbovanmanČ
09-26-2010, 11:26 PM
Also, anyone have any good tips on plugging off the open sections on the factory air box?

Maybe glue on some plexiglass?




So, your van with the stock Garrett turbo and 8v mtr ran about as fast as Simons van is running right now.........:confused:



WTF? :confused: :confused2:



PS: Wish me luck, getting married tomorrow! :clap:

Good luck, if your marrying the right woman, its awesome, and trust me, I never would have said that 6 years ago, :o

Shadow
09-27-2010, 09:35 AM
WTF? :confused: :confused2:

That's what I was thinking. :confused:

turbovanmanČ
09-27-2010, 01:39 PM
That's what I was thinking. :confused:

How the f*ck do you figure that, this van has run high 9's in the 1/4, not even close to my time? :confused: If you want to make fun of me, go for it, don't hold back instead of jacking his thread, start a new one. jackasz.

Vigo
09-27-2010, 01:52 PM
Well now this is getting worse... WHOSE van has run high 9s in the 1/4? Not any fwd that im aware of.

Bryans van ran a best of 13.8 back when it belonged to Chuck. Considering the setup is similar this time it probably will again. Thats a good time, to be sure..

But Simon's van ran 14.0 launching off of no boost. Id call that a win!

And besides, there's a member here who ran 13.4 on a mostly stock t2 van anyway. :p

Shadow
09-27-2010, 04:48 PM
How the f*ck do you figure that, this van has run high 9's in the 1/4, not even close to my time? :confused: If you want to make fun of me, go for it, don't hold back instead of jacking his thread, start a new one. jackasz.

WTF is up with you!? Make fun of you, that's what you think?

I made a Simple comment after reading that you were running 18psi at the track last time out and his van had run 18 psi on the stock Garrett turbo and the times were near identicle!

You think that doesn't warrant commenting? Wether that's a compliment to his van or a hack on your doesn't enter into it with me....GET IT? I'm only interested in what makes his van go so well compared to a 16v pretty crazily build one!

I really don't know how you can be on the net and remain so defensive/paranoid of what every little comment Might mean?

So if I went out with the Charger on 20psi street tune after bolting a 16v head on and ran the same time as someone with an 8v with similare mods to what's done to this van, that wouldn't tweek your curiosity?

Anyway, I'm done with this, have No intention to draw some meaningless bicker out on this good thread, so SORRY and it ends there! (unless you want to PM me)

Also, I'm well aware that your finally taking it easy and taking the time to slowly tune your van more safely and I COMMEND you for that, so keep it up! Jeez, do you really think I'm that ruthless.......:(

Dave
09-28-2010, 08:31 AM
Eaaaaasy guys. I know Simon's van was just having some issues that day. It's nothing to compare it to. He did do a 12.57 and that's way faster than any of our 3 minivans. Relax everybody, we're all here to enjoy turbo sh*tboxes now aren't we? ;)

Anyway, more work today. I'm really going to bust @ss and try to hit the key today. Pics and hopefully a video later!

-Bryan

turbovanmanČ
09-28-2010, 01:20 PM
WTF is up with you!? Make fun of you, that's what you think?

I made a Simple comment after reading that you were running 18psi at the track last time out and his van had run 18 psi on the stock Garrett turbo and the times were near identicle!

You think that doesn't warrant commenting? Wether that's a compliment to his van or a hack on your doesn't enter into it with me....GET IT? I'm only interested in what makes his van go so well compared to a 16v pretty crazily build one!

I really don't know how you can be on the net and remain so defensive/paranoid of what every little comment Might mean?

So if I went out with the Charger on 20psi street tune after bolting a 16v head on and ran the same time as someone with an 8v with similare mods to what's done to this van, that wouldn't tweek your curiosity?

Anyway, I'm done with this, have No intention to draw some meaningless bicker out on this good thread, so SORRY and it ends there! (unless you want to PM me)

Also, I'm well aware that your finally taking it easy and taking the time to slowly tune your van more safely and I COMMEND you for that, so keep it up! Jeez, do you really think I'm that ruthless.......:(

I am very sorry, had a bad day and posted without thinking, my temper and frustration over the bugs in my van have taken over me and the fact I got it running so late in the season is adding to it. I hope you accept my apology.

turbovanmanČ
09-28-2010, 01:21 PM
Eaaaaasy guys. I know Simon's van was just having some issues that day. It's nothing to compare it to. He did do a 12.57 and that's way faster than any of our 3 minivans. Relax everybody, we're all here to enjoy turbo sh*tboxes now aren't we? ;)

Anyway, more work today. I'm really going to bust @ss and try to hit the key today. Pics and hopefully a video later!

-Bryan

Any pics of the wedding?

turbovanmanČ
09-28-2010, 01:38 PM
Well now this is getting worse... WHOSE van has run high 9s in the 1/4? Not any fwd that im aware of.

Bryans van ran a best of 13.8 back when it belonged to Chuck. Considering the setup is similar this time it probably will again. Thats a good time, to be sure..

But Simon's van ran 14.0 launching off of no boost. Id call that a win!

And besides, there's a member here who ran 13.4 on a mostly stock t2 van anyway. :p

Bryan say's in the first post this van ran high 9's in the 1/4.


After 6 years of being down, Ruby (our 1989 Dodge Caravan ES) is finally getting put back together. For those who don't know the story, here's a quick summary.

Back in 2000 my parents decided to buy this van that they saw sitting at the end of some person's lawn. It had, from what I remember, a broken front windshield from a plow truck. Other than that they were able to drive it back home. After a quick fix up (CAI, exhaust, and a MBC set to 12psi) it was off to the track. In 2003 I was 15 and I was able to finally race something. This was my first car ever to go down the 1/4 mile in...well at the time I was only allowed 1/8mile. I think back then it was going high 9's in the 1/8th. Not bad for a first race.

Over the winter of 2004 my parent's rebuilt it to what most remember...

2.5 bored .020 over with Mahle pistons
TII Garrett turbo with braided steel lines
TII intercooler
Type H BOV
Ram air with K&N filter
Ported G-head
Ported exhaust manifold
2.5" exhaust with manual cut out directly after downpipe
+20% injectors, Accufab AFPR, and Walbro 255 L/hr fuel pump
HP Performance manual boost controller (set to 18psi)
FWD Performance Stage III calibration
MSD coil and 8mm Taylor plug wires
All polyurethane mounts
Phantom Grip posi unit, and reverse manual valve body

Shadow
09-28-2010, 02:04 PM
I am very sorry, had a bad day and posted without thinking, my temper and frustration over the bugs in my van have taken over me and the fact I got it running so late in the season is adding to it. I hope you accept my apology.

Back at you bro! I'm sorry as well, I should think about the ppl behind the scene and not just the info in front of me when I'm posting. So NHF's and hopefully you have a little time yet to work things out. :thumb:

Vigo
09-28-2010, 03:00 PM
Bryan say's in the first post this van ran high 9's in the 1/4

The quote in your own post says it ran 9s in the *1/8th*!! Get some sleep, buddy! :p

turbovanmanČ
09-28-2010, 04:33 PM
The quote in your own post says it ran 9s in the *1/8th*!! Get some sleep, buddy! :p

Whoops, lol. :o :p

BIG PSI
09-28-2010, 07:05 PM
We have FOUR 1/4 mile drag strips within 100 miles from our house and ONE 1/8 mile.

We Bryan started racing RUBY he was 13 and he raced in TCR (Teen Championship Racing)

We were limited to 10.00 flat in the 1/8 mile with driver (Bryan) & Me.

Chuck

Dave
09-29-2010, 08:38 AM
We have FOUR 1/4 mile drag strips within 100 miles from our house and ONE 1/8 mile.

We Bryan started racing RUBY he was 13 and he raced in TCR (Teen Championship Racing)

We were limited to 10.00 flat in the 1/8 mile with driver (Bryan) & Me.

Chuck

Good times. :)


Any pics of the wedding?

Yes sir. Here's a few.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs639.snc4/59929_1609373164380_1537742544_1478396_4040903_n.j pg

My beautiful bride-to-be on the left and her cousin on the right,
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs067.snc4/34707_1609394164905_1537742544_1478436_474031_n.jp g

Here I am right before...
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs678.snc4/61793_1402770318466_1508590516_30851404_5928599_n. jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs358.ash2/63809_1402770998483_1508590516_30851415_2466045_n. jpg

Her brother....was smashed! And her cous on the right.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs699.snc4/61976_1402909281940_1508590516_30851692_2095673_n. jpg

My mother-in-law and I
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs703.snc4/62337_1402772678525_1508590516_30851436_4379614_n. jpg

Yaaay!
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs644.snc4/60418_848904322004_23323216_45422936_3726471_n.jpg

Of course there's a ton more. We had a great time and it turned it just the way we hoped for! Weird thing was, it didnt feel any different until we got back from our mini honeymoon. Now it's kind of hit me. lol :)

-Bryan

gasketmaster
09-29-2010, 12:43 PM
Congrats Bryan :thumb:

turbovanmanČ
09-29-2010, 01:50 PM
Nice pics, and boy, have you grown up, :thumb:

Again, congrats, :D

Dave
09-29-2010, 11:15 PM
Congrats Bryan :thumb:

Thanks! :D


Nice pics, and boy, have you grown up, :thumb:

Again, congrats, :D

Thank you sir!!

Anyway, it runs!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i68X7VrciKI

It's a bit noisy, I'm hoping all slider cam setups are. :confused:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs219.snc4/39285_442580753846_501663846_5158307_2849857_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs693.snc4/63325_442582238846_501663846_5158429_7283383_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs688.snc4/62792_442582283846_501663846_5158430_1273725_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs672.snc4/61241_442582323846_501663846_5158431_8325767_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs653.snc4/61323_442582528846_501663846_5158435_8079450_n.jpg

So far, the problems are:
-Cooling fan no worky
-Random rich idle
-Still missing baro read solenoid (this caused the other van to idle around 13.4:1 a/f)
-Need to buy a donated ASD relay

Hmmmm think that's it so far. I managed to hit my goal and have it running before my parents moved. Unfortunately it just doesn't "move." :thumb: Thanks for all your help guys. Next year should be very fun with it!

-Bryan

Dave
09-29-2010, 11:33 PM
Another.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow2O1VG1vpg

ohiorob
09-30-2010, 06:54 AM
nice wedding, to bad I missed most of it :(.

glad to see the van running again. I thought it was a shame that it was sitting all those years. vary sharp looking van.

fix that fuel rail be for you start a fire.

Oh and that noise might be the forged pistons.

turbovanmanČ
09-30-2010, 01:34 PM
glad to see the van running again. I thought it was a shame that it was sitting all those years. vary sharp looking van.

fix that fuel rail be for you start a fire.

Oh and that noise might be the forged pistons.

Agreed on all 3, but it does sound like a bit of valvetrain noise, which is normal for a slider.




-Still missing baro read solenoid (this caused the other van to idle around 13.4:1 a/f)


I don't run a baro solenoid, as long as your close to sea level, you'll be fine.

Dave
09-30-2010, 07:28 PM
nice wedding, to bad I missed most of it :(.

glad to see the van running again. I thought it was a shame that it was sitting all those years. vary sharp looking van.

fix that fuel rail be for you start a fire.

Oh and that noise might be the forged pistons.

That's alright, Rob. I'm glad you made it though! :)

I know, I know. So far it's not leaking and it hardly moves. I'm going to take the hood back off and drive it around and watch with a fire extinguisher in-car. Sounds bad, but I have no options other than pulling the head. I just want to break it in this year. I'd hate to have it sit all winter still not properly seated.


Agreed on all 3, but it does sound like a bit of valvetrain noise, which is normal for a slider.



I don't run a baro solenoid, as long as your close to sea level, you'll be fine.

Right on, I thought it would be fine. Based on the test from Derwood it seemed to run just fine. It's just there for correcting the change in atmospheric pressure for boost cut-out only, right?

turbovanmanČ
09-30-2010, 07:54 PM
Right on, I thought it would be fine. Based on the test from Derwood it seemed to run just fine. It's just there for correcting the change in atmospheric pressure for boost cut-out only, right?

Its there so the computer can compensate for different altiudes, IE going thru mountains etc as the air is thinner.

Vigo
10-01-2010, 01:32 AM
As long as the computer doesnt try to sample ambient pressure when you happen to be boosting..

Does anyone know WHEN it uses the baro solenoid to check? I know it does it when you turn the key on but doesnt it also periodically check while driving?

unluckyty
10-01-2010, 08:57 AM
Congrats on the wedding, the van is getting closer:thumb: hope you can make it to the track this year before winter, looking forward to seeing what it will run.

Greg

cordes
10-02-2010, 07:11 PM
I'm 99% sure that the comp doesn't take a baro reading while in boost.

turbovanmanČ
10-02-2010, 08:10 PM
I'm 99% sure that the comp doesn't take a baro reading while in boost.

I would venture to say 100%, otherwise it would screw up alot of things, :o

Dave
10-03-2010, 08:00 AM
Do I want to work on it today? Or come home play Forza and sleep? Hmm.... Motivation.

BIG PSI
10-03-2010, 08:00 PM
Do I want to work on it today? Or come home play Forza and sleep? Hmm.... Motivation.

Just come out on Tuesday and we will work on it.

I also noticed last night that there is no ground cable for the motor.

See you then

Vigo
10-03-2010, 08:11 PM
I also noticed last night that there is no ground cable for the motor.

I fried an ENTIRE harness for an 87 Caravan starting it up like that.

I tried fixing it for about a day before i gave up and got another harness from the junkyard.

Dave
10-03-2010, 10:23 PM
I fried an ENTIRE harness for an 87 Caravan starting it up like that.

I tried fixing it for about a day before i gave up and got another harness from the junkyard.

Oh Jesus... I have all the straps on though. ;) :thumb:

Dave
10-05-2010, 06:32 PM
What do you guys think? This noise is scary. It's intermittent. Happens sometimes at random RPMs...although I havent taken it past 3,000 yet. Does it hot and cold.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhzFix4WOg

Other notes...the trans. pump seal is leaking,there is a small amount from the pan, it seems to vibrate quite a bit as you put your foot into it and the brake pedal is a bit firm.

Outside of that it drives great! It's really great to see it driving. It's been 6 years since it's hit the road. I feel if I we're to let it sit over the winter now I'd still feel accomplished and satisfied.

Thanks for all your help guys.
-Bryan

turbovanmanČ
10-05-2010, 08:12 PM
Did you properly tighten the TC bolts?

Barring that, almost sounds like a rod knock or the TC bolts hitting something.

Dave
10-06-2010, 08:39 AM
Did you properly tighten the TC bolts?

Barring that, almost sounds like a rod knock or the TC bolts hitting something.

Yes, just like I always do. We did have an issue with the seperation plate (upper half) hitting the bolts but I thought we were able to clear it as I did not hear anything when I hand rotated the crank.

The knock comes and goes is the weird part, which leaves me comfortable that it's most likely not a bearing knock. Bubba just installed new bearing 10 miles ago and he claimed it ran fine.

Maybe it is the TC bolts. I'll dab some paint on their head and see if it comes off, that should tell me. The trans must come out any way so I'll mess with it then. It has a leaky seal and it needs built... the 2-3 shift is so weak. :thumb:

Thanks for your help.

glhs727
10-06-2010, 08:45 AM
while you are in there, check the flexplate. A cracked flexplate will made a rod knock noise as well.

Dave
10-06-2010, 11:14 AM
while you are in there, check the flexplate. A cracked flexplate will made a rod knock noise as well.

I will when I pull it. I inspected it thoroughly before I installed it. I made sure to use the same one Bubba used (before his 5spd swap) so I know it was good. I did not want to use ours just for a sense of security as we melted a piston on that engine.

Do I need to use the seperation plate? When I remove the trans over the winter I don't really want to put it back in. I even had that concern as I was assembling the engine. :banghead: I knew this would happen.

turbovanmanČ
10-06-2010, 08:12 PM
Do I need to use the seperation plate? When I remove the trans over the winter I don't really want to put it back in. I even had that concern as I was assembling the engine. :banghead: I knew this would happen.

I would use it, its their for a reason, what reason, unsure but they put it there so leave it.

Dave
10-06-2010, 11:21 PM
I would use it, its their for a reason, what reason, unsure but they put it there so leave it.

They also ate babies, so what? ;)

Anyway, it drives!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18cxLHg-uTo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkdfb0y_9fo

Dave
10-12-2010, 09:05 AM
Hopefully taking it home today. :)

Dave
10-12-2010, 07:23 PM
Nope, didn't happen today. Dicked around with the broken fuel rail bolt all day, noticed my d/r wheel cylinder is leaking, and noticed a coolant leak on the feed line below. :banghead:

BIG PSI
10-12-2010, 08:11 PM
I tried to drill out the broken bolt and ended up breaking two drill bits.
I am thinking about welding the DAMN fuel rail to the intake.........


GRRRRRRRRRRRR

Dave
10-13-2010, 12:36 PM
LMAO ^^

Got it taken care of, fixed my coolant leak, and I will do the wheel cylinders in a bit. Should be driving it home today. :nod:

Dave
10-15-2010, 11:17 PM
Took some pics the other day...

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs796.snc4/67625_448608033846_501663846_5276003_6902857_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs011.ash2/33933_448608143846_501663846_5276005_6265328_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs024.snc4/33568_448608243846_501663846_5276006_2982782_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs814.snc4/69437_448608278846_501663846_5276008_1520055_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs912.snc4/72537_448608418846_501663846_5276009_3251220_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs137.snc4/37206_448608668846_501663846_5276011_397242_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68315_448608813846_501663846_5276015_7376206_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs814.snc4/69490_448608868846_501663846_5276016_6217075_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs831.snc4/69170_448608948846_501663846_5276018_320132_n.jpg

I need to repair the rear brakes still... Noticed I broke a parking brake cable, so I'm doing a hardware kit and both wheel cylinders. Hoping to have it done Sunday. That's all that's holding me back from driving it.

turbovanmanČ
10-16-2010, 03:02 AM
Can you take a pic of the side bumper mouldings please, need to see how they sit in height. Johnny took some of his, curious if your's are the same, thanks.

Dave
10-16-2010, 11:17 PM
Sure thing. You mean the bump strips on the bumper, but just on the sides, right? lol

I'll snap a few for you tomorrow. :)

Dave
10-19-2010, 10:50 PM
Damn, I forgot Simon. I'll try to remember to get one for you tomorrow.

Update - I drove it home tonight. No real issues to speak of outside of the trans. pump seal leaking and the t/c bolts are still hitting the separation plate. Weird thing with the t/c bolts it only does it under a load... I'm thinking the t/c pushes against the plate and pushes itself towards the transmission (IE, this is what the flexplate is used for). It certainly does not sound like a bearing knock. Hmmm....

1BADVAN
10-21-2010, 04:34 PM
Damn, I forgot Simon. I'll try to remember to get one for you tomorrow.

Update - I drove it home tonight. No real issues to speak of outside of the trans. pump seal leaking and the t/c bolts are still hitting the separation plate. Weird thing with the t/c bolts it only does it under a load... I'm thinking the t/c pushes against the plate and pushes itself towards the transmission (IE, this is what the flexplate is used for). It certainly does not sound like a bearing knock. Hmmm....

it shouldn't move enough to hit unless the thrust bearing on the crank is worn. Which i think is the one in the center of the crank on these. Have you checked the bearings on the crank?

turbovanmanČ
10-21-2010, 05:00 PM
It will move a bit, so if the shield is really close, then it could hit under load.

Dave
10-22-2010, 08:58 AM
Personally I have not checked the bearings... Bubba and Al did the rebuild and Bubba had 10 miles on it before I stole it. He said it was ok. It's pretty annoying driving it. It sounds like a bearing or I'm just driving a diesel minivan. ;) I just want to get the engine broke in then i can put it away for the winter.

BIG PSI
10-22-2010, 09:32 AM
Personally I have not checked the bearings... Bubba and Al did the rebuild and Bubba had 10 miles on it before I stole it. He said it was ok. It's pretty annoying driving it. It sounds like a bearing or I'm just driving a diesel minivan. ;) I just want to get the engine broke in then i can put it away for the winter.

It sounds like torque converter bolts hitting to me.

But what do I know {lol}

Dave
10-22-2010, 11:37 PM
Some interesting issues came up lately...

Had a rear vibration at about 55mph (thinking flat spots on the tires), that seems to have drove out, I took it to 75 today with no issues...

Slight oil leak from oil fill cap, only sometimes and not real bad, dipstick stays put though? ...

Biggest issue though: Under load at 8-10psi it will break up real bad, the narrowband A/F goes wild from rich to lean, like it's hitting boost cut out....it "feels" fuel related....things to notice, gas is 6 years old, I did add a splash of new 93 octane after the very first start up, I just filled it up, it still broke up afterwards, didnt get a chance to mix it for a while though... perhaps the fuel gelled up real bad and clogged strainer, pump, filter, injectors... I still have no knock sensor hooked up. Waiting on the injector harness Dad ordered... My tech guy advised me fuel reduces it's octane rating as it ages, did not know that. That leaves me very cautious now considering I have no KS hooked up, and I'm beating on it to break in the rings. So the boost came back down to 7psi.

Thoughts? Any idea what duty cycle or even pulse width should be under load for a factory 89 Caravan SBEC at 7psi?

turbovanmanČ
10-23-2010, 11:55 PM
I would wait to iron out any driveability stuff until its got fresh gas and you've checked the pump pressure and volume.

Dave
10-24-2010, 12:38 AM
Will do. :thumb: Thanks bub.

Dave
10-24-2010, 08:04 AM
Good knows! Got the okay from the Wife to move forward with Part 2 of the build over the winter. :banaride::banana-mario:

Dave
10-26-2010, 06:30 PM
Alright got the RPM related miss fixed. Ended up being a clogged fuel filter. I installed a Summit -6an 40 micron. Fit nicely. :thumb:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs903.snc4/71648_454012638846_501663846_5368304_1518814_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs814.snc4/69456_454012358846_501663846_5368293_3383592_n.jpg

Also put the grille back in.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs838.snc4/69844_454011313846_501663846_5368259_4375692_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs918.snc4/73105_454011613846_501663846_5368262_6716966_n.jpg

cordes
10-26-2010, 11:41 PM
Please tell me you aren't using regular worm clamps on there? I seem to recall an engine fire a while back...

Vigo
10-27-2010, 12:17 AM
I dont think it could be called an engine fire if it starts under the middle of the van..

I dont know that ive ever used anything BUT worm clamps on any of my cars..

Although i did have a fuel leak at the rail one time because i made the mistake of using a worm clamp from HARBOR FREIGHT!! my mistake..

Dave
10-27-2010, 06:52 AM
Please tell me you aren't using regular worm clamps on there? I seem to recall an engine fire a while back...

Yes I am. Lets see, on the pump outlet there has been one there for 8 years. Let me go look........................... nope not leaking. Thank you though.


I dont think it could be called an engine fire if it starts under the middle of the van..

I dont know that ive ever used anything BUT worm clamps on any of my cars..

Although i did have a fuel leak at the rail one time because i made the mistake of using a worm clamp from HARBOR FREIGHT!! my mistake..

Thank you sir. ;) I tried using a normal 3/8" fuel line clamp, but it does not fit correctly while using a twist lock an nipple as the flares on the fitting become larger in diameter the further "in" the fitting it goes. A 1/2" line clamp was too large, so this was the only option until I decide to re-plumb it over the winter.

RoadWarrior222
10-27-2010, 10:33 AM
Stainless worm clamps FTW. :p

cordes
10-27-2010, 07:44 PM
I guess I'm the only one who has had that problem before.

Also, Vigo he had an engine fire a few years back which destroyed his car. That's what I was referring to.

Aries_Turbo
10-27-2010, 08:03 PM
Stainless worm clamps FTW. :p

efi clamps with upgraded stainless nuts/bolts FTW.

ive had lots of issues with the nuts/bolts that come with the EFI clamps.

ive thought of cutting up larger bolts to make nuts for those clamps too. cut off chunks, drill and tap them to make thicker nuts that wont strip out as easy.

Brian

turbovanmanČ
10-27-2010, 08:09 PM
Please tell me you aren't using regular worm clamps on there? I seem to recall an engine fire a while back...

That's all I use too, most case's the FI clamps are a pain to install or don't tighten enough.

4+ years and no problems-

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/IMAG0019.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Sonywork127.jpg

ShadowBrad
10-27-2010, 09:52 PM
EFI clamps are much better to use in high pressure situations, but sometimes they either don't open up enough or tighten down enough, so sometimes you don't have a choice. Worm gear clamps work perfectly fine as long as you don't over tighten them and strip the grooves or cut into the rubber hose.

-brad

black86glhs
10-27-2010, 10:04 PM
The pump needs to be lowered to it is directly inline with the lines. Otherwise, it will push against the top of the inside of the rubber line and cause it to push off the pump. Or use the proper clamps.

RoadWarrior222
10-28-2010, 07:01 AM
That pump is a filter, in stock location...-ish.

Dave
10-28-2010, 08:21 AM
That pump is a filter, in stock location...-ish.

Huh? Wait I think you mean my filter is a pump? The red anodized piece I just installed a fuel filter.

RoadWarrior222
10-28-2010, 08:41 AM
I was replying to
VVVV


The pump needs to be lowered to it is directly inline with the lines. Otherwise, it will push against the top of the inside of the rubber line and cause it to push off the pump. Or use the proper clamps.

Dave
10-28-2010, 08:56 PM
Ohhh! My bad. :)

Dave
11-15-2010, 11:18 PM
Well about 3 weeks ago (I think), I was driving home and blew the cam seal out at some point and lost all oil. :(

I decided to tow it back to my parent's house. Put oil back in it and started it back up, figured we had nothing to really lose, and it ran fine. It seems to have a slight knock at 2,500, although it still might be the torque converter bolts hitting the seperation plate though, hard to say. Either way, it's done for the year and I'm not taking any chances. I'll tow it back to our new house once we move in this month and do the main and rod bearings.

Dumb question though, it has ARP rod bolts, those ARE reusable correct? I know they are not torque to yield, but I've never reused them before. Never had to take the cap off. :)

-Bryan

RoadWarrior222
11-16-2010, 12:16 AM
It seems to have a slight knock at 2,500, although it still might be the torque converter bolts hitting the seperation plate though, hard to say.

I had a weird knock, thought at first it was rod knock then maybe a cracked flexplate, since it was coming from the tranny end... turned out it was the clutch pack eating the back of the transmission oil pump casting because the bushings/washers had worn paper thin on the input shaft... If you're seeing a lot of aluminum shavings/dust in your tranny pan, start suspecting that.

Edit: if you can get it to do it in the driveway at all, which is annoying because it comes and goes, depending how far up the shaft the clutch pack has walked or slid, dependant on which side you last cornered hardest, or what bumps you hit, then it might go away when you jack up the passenger side, sliding it away, and might come back when you put that side down and jack up the drivers side.

Dave
11-16-2010, 01:00 AM
I had a weird knock, thought at first it was rod knock then maybe a cracked flexplate, since it was coming from the tranny end... turned out it was the clutch pack eating the back of the transmission oil pump casting because the bushings/washers had worn paper thin on the input shaft... If you're seeing a lot of aluminum shavings/dust in your tranny pan, start suspecting that.

Edit: if you can get it to do it in the driveway at all, which is annoying because it comes and goes, depending how far up the shaft the clutch pack has walked or slid, dependant on which side you last cornered hardest, or what bumps you hit, then it might go away when you jack up the passenger side, sliding it away, and might come back when you put that side down and jack up the drivers side.

My noise was always real consistent. It went away a bit after I bent the plate.

Reeves
11-16-2010, 11:24 AM
Yes, the ARP rod and main bolts are re-usable. IIRC the rod bolts torque to 45 lb/ft and 65 on the mains......but I would def. look it up to check. I'm only going off 10am memory here.....

turbovanmanČ
11-16-2010, 06:40 PM
Yes, the ARP rod and main bolts are re-usable. IIRC the rod bolts torque to 45 lb/ft and 65 on the mains......but I would def. look it up to check. I'm only going off 10am memory here.....

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/vbarticles.php?do=article&articleid=177

:eyebrows:

Dave
11-17-2010, 09:09 AM
Cool, thanks guys! :thumb:

Dave
11-21-2010, 01:37 AM
Now debating between suspension and wheels......or..... Holset and big intake..... hmmmm...

Aries_Turbo
11-21-2010, 02:34 AM
duuuh, thats a no brainer! holset and intake of course. powwwah!!

Brian

1BADVAN
11-21-2010, 09:01 PM
I would really consider what you want in your van before going Holset, My Brother (Dan15) installed one last summer http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46409&highlight=holset&page=3.
Like he said the spool wasn't full boost until 4K+ RPMS it did make power in the when the boost was there but nothing amazing unless you had over 20 psi.
If you are going for all out power go for Holset hands down.
If you want it to be at all fun on the street pick a different turbo or stay with the one you have. I had a slow spooling turbo on my van and it was fun when the boost finally hit but, My super 60 turbo is way funner to drive on the street, and meets my current power goals.

turbovanmanČ
11-22-2010, 04:14 AM
I would really consider what you want in your van before going Holset, My Brother (Dan15) installed one last summer http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46409&highlight=holset&page=3.
Like he said the spool wasn't full boost until 4K+ RPMS it did make power in the when the boost was there but nothing amazing unless you had over 20 psi.
If you are going for all out power go for Holset hands down.
If you want it to be at all fun on the street pick a different turbo or stay with the one you have. I had a slow spooling turbo on my van and it was fun when the boost finally hit but, My super 60 turbo is way funner to drive on the street, and meets my current power goals.

Depends on what Holset, there are alot of models. The HE351 will be fine on a built 2.5, TIII's are supposed to spool them around 2300 rpm.

1BADVAN
11-22-2010, 10:50 AM
Depends on what Holset, there are alot of models. The HE351 will be fine on a built 2.5, TIII's are supposed to spool them around 2300 rpm.

my brother's is a HE341 on a 2.5l just FYI.

Dave
11-22-2010, 08:48 PM
Ah ok, I was going with the HY35 for the smaller turbine housing.

turbovanmanČ
11-22-2010, 08:50 PM
my brother's is a HE341 on a 2.5l just FYI.

And he was getting full spool at 4200 rpm? That's bang on, my old 8 valve ported setup with a log header spooled a 50 trim stage III at around the same rpm.



Ah ok, I was going with the HY35 for the smaller turbine housing.

That should be just fine, basically the same turbo.

Dave
11-22-2010, 08:52 PM
And he was getting full spool at 4000 rpm????




That should be just fine.

Based on reviews and the compressor map, I thought so.

turbovanmanČ
11-22-2010, 08:54 PM
Based on reviews and the compressor map, I thought so.

Edited, lol.

Dave
11-23-2010, 08:54 AM
Edited, lol.

Eh? You changed nothing! lol Fail.

Dave
12-07-2010, 08:32 PM
Look what followed me back home!

Red cars, white snow
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1226.snc4/155862_476510798846_501663846_5705557_3964533_n.jp g

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs913.snc4/72665_476511043846_501663846_5705560_2084849_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1337.snc4/162973_476511093846_501663846_5705561_5617322_n.jp g

I'll be pulling it apart hopefully a little after Christmas.

-Bryan

turbovanmanČ
12-07-2010, 08:40 PM
Ok, which is this van? I can't keep up with you, :(

RoadWarrior222
12-07-2010, 09:48 PM
Ruby?

BIG PSI
12-07-2010, 09:48 PM
Ok, which is this van? I can't keep up with you, :(

SIMON---pay attention { lol }

1990 Silver Van is....... HOLATTA
1989 Ice Blue Van is ....DERWOOD
1989 Claret Red Van is .RUBY

I own the top two I gave the red one to Bryan for a wedding gift.

Got it
:D----:thumb:---:eyebrows:

Dave
12-08-2010, 03:10 PM
lol Simon. Red one is mine as dad stated. Thanks for cleaing that up Chuckles.

turbovanmanČ
12-08-2010, 03:23 PM
SIMON---pay attention { lol }

1990 Silver Van is....... HOLATTA
1989 Ice Blue Van is ....DERWOOD
1989 Claret Red Van is .RUBY

I own the top two I gave the red one to Bryan for a wedding gift.

Got it
:D----:thumb:---:eyebrows:

NO, lol.

Thanks for clearing that up, phew. :nod:


lol Simon. Red one is mine as dad stated. Thanks for cleaing that up Chuckles.

So your keeping it or selling it?

Dave
12-08-2010, 03:30 PM
NO, lol.

Thanks for clearing that up, phew. :nod:



So your keeping it or selling it?

The red one, mine, I'm keeping. I'm freakin broke with no overtime so this is my only cheap way of going fast without a giant car payment anymore. lol I'm referring to my old VW btw. :thumb:

I still have big plans for it, but again, I need OT to pay for it and I have a lot of tiny things to get corrected first. I think for next year Ill just build the trans, inspect the bearings, install front and rear sway bars, lower it, and maaaaybe put the bigger wheels on it.

I think I'll put my goals towards what it ran 6 years ago. Which was 13.96. I don't think it will be too difficult.

turbovanmanČ
12-08-2010, 03:59 PM
The red one, mine, I'm keeping. I'm freakin broke with no overtime so this is my only cheap way of going fast without a giant car payment anymore. lol I'm referring to my old VW btw. :thumb:

I still have big plans for it, but again, I need OT to pay for it and I have a lot of tiny things to get corrected first. I think for next year Ill just build the trans, inspect the bearings, install front and rear sway bars, lower it, and maaaaybe put the bigger wheels on it.

I think I'll put my goals towards what it ran 6 years ago. Which was 13.96. I don't think it will be too difficult.

Gotcha. I would "rob" some parts off HOLATTA, :eyebrows:

BIG PSI
12-08-2010, 05:03 PM
Gotcha. I would "rob" some parts off HOLATTA, :eyebrows:


NO he can not have anymore of my parts...............
I think HOLATTA is sold.
I have a cash deposit on it pending test drive.
All I have to do is get Bryan over once more to install the cutout razor and set the boost to 18 psi.

Chuck

turbovanmanČ
12-08-2010, 05:56 PM
NO he can not have anymore of my parts...............
I think HOLATTA is sold.
I have a cash deposit on it pending test drive.
All I have to do is get Bryan over once more to install the cutout razor and set the boost to 18 psi.

Chuck

Awww, but DAD, :p

Dave
12-08-2010, 10:44 PM
Wrote in red in case you didnt know. :rolleyes:

Dave
01-26-2011, 06:04 PM
Ok did some more work today. The objective for the next few weeks is to get the trans. rebuilt, inspect the rod bearings, install the A/C and clean up the mess from the popped out cam seal. I still am finding oil all over the place...

So today I removed the tires and loosed the control arms and axles, I need some chain and a pry bar to pop the ball joints still.

In my down time I figured I may as well trial fit the A/C system. I wanted to just see what it looked like if I wanted to go ahead and do it. Turned out pretty nice I think, however, I need some help. The upper line coming from the evaporator I believe should have a pressure sensor on it but all there is is a pressure fitting that appears to be a -4an male fitting and it's respective cap. I need that, an adjuster pulley and a condensor.

Trial fitting with no bracket
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs056.snc6/168633_10150089211383847_501663846_6116934_2788163 _n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs774.ash1/166464_10150089211448847_501663846_6116935_1997763 _n.jpg

Looks stellar to me, so I decided to mount the bracket and continue.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs254.snc6/180277_10150089211783847_501663846_6116942_2375823 _n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs882.ash1/179075_10150089211938847_501663846_6116946_4489674 _n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs071.snc6/168135_10150089212058847_501663846_6116948_4244867 _n.jpg

-Bryan

RoadWarrior222
01-26-2011, 06:43 PM
and clean up the mess from the popped out cam seal. I still am finding oil all over the place...

DON'T DO IT!!! fixed a cam seal and cleaned up and all the tensioner pulley bearings quit! :D

Dave
01-27-2011, 08:26 PM
DON'T DO IT!!! fixed a cam seal and cleaned up and all the tensioner pulley bearings quit! :D

lol it had better not!

turbovanmanČ
01-31-2011, 10:15 PM
Are you talking about the bracket at the strut tower? Your pics are really dark.

Dave
01-31-2011, 10:49 PM
Are you talking about the bracket at the strut tower? Your pics are really dark.

Sorry, it looks better dark, more natural. ;)

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs056.snc6/168633_10150089211383847_501663846_6116934_2788163 _n.jpg

The bracket on the AC line in front of my vacuum block near the firewall. It doesn't seem to go anywhere. Also where the eff does this guy get supported?

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs796.ash1/168685_10150092223363847_501663846_6155137_4536050 _n.jpg

Thanks again bud.

Dave
02-01-2011, 06:44 PM
Figured out the AC a bit more.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs266.snc6/179396_10150092656898847_501663846_6159741_6084308 _n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs782.ash1/167251_10150092657343847_501663846_6159751_4851256 _n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs056.snc6/168645_10150092657623847_501663846_6159753_8190898 _n.jpg
I hate how this line goes towards the evaporator, I will be rebending it so I can get the lines more parallel.

I still have no idea where the bracket goes near the control head (evap block on the firewall). It seems the bracket just hangs there but with no real purpose. I looked at a Haynes manual which shows an additional bracket connecting to it to the firewall, but for what reason? It's connected so closely anyway, what is the purpose behind it? I need to find another van with AC...

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs898.ash1/180627_10150092658303847_501663846_6159758_1012531 _n.jpg

Anyway, look what came in today.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs273.snc6/180144_10150092649758847_501663846_6159599_6767405 _n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs051.snc6/168142_10150092649548847_501663846_6159597_8065342 _n.jpg

-Bryan

5sp. mini
02-01-2011, 06:58 PM
where u at in canton? i got my parts and starting on the daytona motor, it,s on a stand and matching up part and new seals.have to install the new rod bearing and install new oil pump.my friend john wants to pull a piston to check ring gap .i told him i,v not had any of thease motor need rings but he did my head so itold him to bring the ring tools and we will check.need to pull the trans and put it in all together.

Dave
02-01-2011, 07:38 PM
where u at in canton? i got my parts and starting on the daytona motor, it,s on a stand and matching up part and new seals.have to install the new rod bearing and install new oil pump.my friend john wants to pull a piston to check ring gap .i told him i,v not had any of thease motor need rings but he did my head so itold him to bring the ring tools and we will check.need to pull the trans and put it in all together.

Cool! Sounds like fun. lol We are right beside Malone College. Literally live a block away from the main campus.

5sp. mini
02-01-2011, 07:52 PM
my daddy live on 20th st north east. down to harrissburg going to wallmart, right after bridge then to 20th you can only go right on his road.

Dave
02-02-2011, 12:50 AM
Hmm not sure exactly where that is... I'm still new down here. :thumb:

Dave
02-09-2011, 04:38 PM
Removed the trans today. As soon as my tax money comes in I'll start building it.

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180991_10150096809073847_501663846_6218605_4995931 _n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/182691_10150096809688847_501663846_6218612_4436056 _n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/182457_10150096809753847_501663846_6218613_5446075 _n.jpg

OhioRob will be helping me build it. We're doing just a simple freshening. 5 pinion forward planetaries, 5 clutch pack forward drum, kevlar band, and maybe throwing some tack welds on the pin to the carrier. It already has a RMVD and a modified torque converter.

That's the next big step. I still need to clean up my mess from the oil seal and then it's on to a lot more fun. :D There's a lot coming soon so keep watching.

-Bryan

Aries_Turbo
02-09-2011, 06:46 PM
did you ever figure out the clanking? check the bearings?

Dave
02-09-2011, 06:59 PM
did you ever figure out the clanking? check the bearings?

Pretty sure it was the torque converter bolts hitting the seperation plate. After tweaking the plate the noise seemed to lessen. I'm thinking of removing it if it serves no purpose. The only thing I can think of is it's there as a starter shim. Kind of like a SBF.

Dave
02-10-2011, 09:15 AM
Tax return is back. Time to build.

turbovanmanČ
02-10-2011, 02:48 PM
Look at the converter bolts, do they show signs of hitting the shield? I wouldn't remove the shield, its obviously there for a reason, try getting the right bolts, lol, some replacements, the head is too thick.

black86glhs
02-10-2011, 03:15 PM
How about lightly grinding the head down until they clear? May only need 1 or 2 mm.

Dave
02-10-2011, 09:41 PM
They show some signs of scuffing. Not as much as I'd thought. I havent had too many problems with these, so I'm going to at least get a new plate and just do it right. This one is all bent and $hit.

turbovanmanČ
02-10-2011, 09:50 PM
They show some signs of scuffing. Not as much as I'd thought. I havent had too many problems with these, so I'm going to at least get a new plate and just do it right. This one is all bent and $hit.

They just have to barely hit and the noise they make, damn, :(

Vigo
02-10-2011, 10:25 PM
thats a really common cause of scary noises right after you put a trans back in. heheh.

I also distinctly remember the noise the flexplate makes when it hits the crank sensor on newer 604 vans after putting trans in.. ahh so many memories of caravan transmissions :p

Dave
02-11-2011, 12:27 AM
Noisey noises making noises...

Gauges... and Family Guy. :thumb:

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/182800_10150097559038847_501663846_6228038_8084806 _n.jpg

Dave
03-02-2011, 07:53 AM
Well OhioRob and I rebuilt the trans today. I decided to paint it blakc instead of the silver. Right now I need to still remove the engine oil pan and inspect the rod bearings then reassemble and then I can put the trans back in.

For those who have never used the FelPro 1 piece oil pan gasket its freakin beefy. I can't wait to try it out. I can never get the old multi piecers to seal for me.

I have lots of pics on my phone but ill have to wait until tonight to upload them.

Stay tuned because my plans have seriously changed. ;)

turbovanmanČ
03-02-2011, 05:16 PM
Those one piece gaskets rock, I've been preaching that for year's, :p

Dave
03-02-2011, 09:35 PM
Pics.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/IMG00551-20110301-1033.jpg?t=1299115928

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/IMG00553-20110301-1047.jpg?t=1299115928

Old clutches, I can't believe this van even moved!
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/IMG00554-20110301-1341.jpg?t=1299115928

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/IMG00556-20110301-1424.jpg?t=1299115928

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/IMG00557-20110301-1424.jpg?t=1299115928

And I decided black is going to be a better choice.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/IMG00560-20110301-2108.jpg?t=1299115927

Bitchin' gasket! These arent cheap, even at my cost... :(
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/IMG00561-20110302-2019.jpg?t=1299115927

-Bryan

turbovanmanČ
03-02-2011, 09:58 PM
Black is good, hides oil leaks better, :p

Dave
03-03-2011, 07:56 AM
My thoughts. Exactly. That means the silver k frame I have for it will get dirty quick. Lol

I'm hoping to have it running Tuesday then I'm dropping it off with my old boss from work. He will be painting and installing my slider and hatch and fix my 1/s pnel's rust.

5sp. mini
03-03-2011, 08:00 AM
cool after i put your brothers ball joint in you can come over and help me put my motor in . lol

Reeves
03-03-2011, 10:36 AM
Those one piece gaskets rock, I've been preaching that for year's, :p

x2 :thumb:
Only negatives are:
1. They are expensive
2. They don't work with crank scrapers

turbovanmanČ
03-03-2011, 02:30 PM
Only negatives are:
2. They don't work with crank scrapers

Good to know, :nod:

roachjuice
03-03-2011, 02:38 PM
now on an auto trans rebuild cant you just "stack" more clutches on it? i know nothing about autos when it comes to rebuilding them. i know how to destroy them lol.

turbovanmanČ
03-03-2011, 02:53 PM
now on an auto trans rebuild cant you just "stack" more clutches on it? i know nothing about autos when it comes to rebuilding them. i know how to destroy them lol.

Yes, but its not that simple.

Dave
03-03-2011, 08:39 PM
You can stack them. How you do it is grab steels from an early 80's A413, like an '83, because they had factory 5 clutches in the rear drum, so the steels are thinner. You use those steels and factory thickness clutches. Make sure you have a few different thicknesses of flat snap rings that hold the pack together. Rob set my drum clearance to about .042". The front drum I just left the 4 clutches. Rob and I both use the Raysbesto's Blues though.

Vigo
03-03-2011, 11:44 PM
I'm hoping to have it running Tuesday then I'm dropping it off with my old boss from work. He will be painting and installing my slider and hatch and fix my 1/s pnel's rust.

Are those the ones i took up there?

RoadWarrior222
03-03-2011, 11:52 PM
and the spring?

Dave
03-04-2011, 08:50 PM
Vigo - yup those ones! Thanks again. :)

RoadWarrior - I "think" you can use the stock spring but we used a softer spring so it engages the clutch pack quicker.

Vigo
03-05-2011, 10:44 PM
You're talking about the return spring in the clutch drums?

Dave
03-06-2011, 10:10 AM
You're talking about the return spring in the clutch drums?

yeah that one. i've heard some guys bake the spring in a grill to reduce it's spring rate.

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BTW, did I mention I hate Ohio? I can't paint the trans. because it's been in the 30's all week. :( It needs to be Summer...

turbovanmanČ
03-06-2011, 03:59 PM
You're talking about the return spring in the clutch drums?

Yeah, the 3dr gear drum, forward one? I always mess up the names, lol. I found that Neon units are softer than our's. I did heat and crush mine, 2-3 is fast and hard, not a hint of a slide bump or flare.

Vigo
03-06-2011, 04:59 PM
hmmmmm, maybe i will try and pick one up to compare. Ive got about 400 lbs of 3spd and 3spd parts So im sure ive got tbi, turbo and v6 ones but i dont know if that's all the same piece anyway.

Dave
03-06-2011, 10:40 PM
It would be nice to know if any are different.

turbovanmanČ
03-07-2011, 04:40 PM
hmmmmm, maybe i will try and pick one up to compare. Ive got about 400 lbs of 3spd and 3spd parts So im sure ive got tbi, turbo and v6 ones but i dont know if that's all the same piece anyway.

The Neon one's have a different colour paint code on them, so to me, that says they are different. I haven't actually measured the rate but I can compress one more easily in my hand, :p

Dave
03-07-2011, 10:42 PM
Is there a way to tell which is which? Mine has a red spring.

turbovanmanČ
03-08-2011, 09:03 PM
Is there a way to tell which is which? Mine has a red spring.

I guess I should have written that down, :banghead:

Dave
03-09-2011, 08:40 AM
Ok got the tranny back in yesterday, dropped the pan and put my new pan gasket in and took it for a drive down the driveway.

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It still has a slight rattle or knock, if you will, when you rev it somewhat hard. I still think it sounds nothing like a bearing knock. It only did it at free rev too, as I took it for a drive I did not notice any kind of noises when I got on it. I'm going to go ahead and swap cam/followers for a roller setup as well when my adj. cam gear comes in. If it still sounds funny I guess I'll be dropping the pan and checking out the bearings. :(

turbovanmanČ
03-10-2011, 03:07 PM
Post a vid of the noise!

Reeves
03-10-2011, 03:45 PM
Post a vid of the noise!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du_Afzm9wiU&feature=fvsr

Dave
03-10-2011, 10:55 PM
I will try to soon. It sounds more like a chain rattle. Sounds like piston slap, but it really shouldnt be. This engine ran fine in Bubba's Shadow.

Vigo
03-10-2011, 11:55 PM
Ive noticed a lot of 2.2/2.5 make a nasty rattling noise when free revving that ive never figured out, and its not always bottom end noise of any kind and happens on auto and manual.

RoadWarrior222
03-11-2011, 12:21 AM
Could be slight piston slap with no load.

Dave
03-11-2011, 01:30 AM
Ive noticed a lot of 2.2/2.5 make a nasty rattling noise when free revving that ive never figured out, and its not always bottom end noise of any kind and happens on auto and manual.

I have to, but on some and not others...


Could be slight piston slap with no load.

I really hope not, I can't imagine so. This engine has less than 10,000 miles on it. I think Bubba had 6,000 on it when I bought it last October. I hope my gear comes in soon so I can try and swap out my valvetrain.

Can anyone confirm that the springs used in early solid 782 heads are the same or comparable to roller 782 heads?

Vigo
03-11-2011, 02:31 AM
afaik they're the same across all 782 turbo heads.

turbovanmanČ
03-11-2011, 03:33 AM
Ive noticed a lot of 2.2/2.5 make a nasty rattling noise when free revving that ive never figured out, and its not always bottom end noise of any kind and happens on auto and manual.

I found some heads with loose lifter bores are nasty loud, plus piston slap or worn wrist pins will cause a rattle. Piston slap is pretty well always there, worse cold and gets quieter as the engine warms up, wrist pin noise comes and go's.


I have to, but on some and not others...



I really hope not, I can't imagine so. This engine has less than 10,000 miles on it. I think Bubba had 6,000 on it when I bought it last October. I hope my gear comes in soon so I can try and swap out my valvetrain.

Can anyone confirm that the springs used in early solid 782 heads are the same or comparable to roller 782 heads?

All turbo springs are the same.

Dave
03-11-2011, 11:08 AM
Simon, if the lifter bores are loose how is a good way to check? Will you be able to physically move the lifter side to side in its bore with the follower off?

turbovanmanČ
03-11-2011, 02:13 PM
Simon, if the lifter bores are loose how is a good way to check? Will you be able to physically move the lifter side to side in its bore with the follower off?

IIRC, they were a tad loose, nothing extreme. The way I really knew was I had changed the head and had this nasty noise, so after messing around, noticed the lifter thing, put another head on with tighter bores, noise went away.

Vigo
03-11-2011, 04:02 PM
Hmm, im really curious about this. There's one motor in a friend's car that got the crank turned and new bearings put in on the bottom end and still made this nasty noise from the first start-up (it was there before taking apart too). Im at the point where im blaming it on wristpins but i dont know what that noise sounds like, im just using process of elimination.. So how would wristpin noise come and go?

Im curious about the lifter bore thing too but i want to rule out having to take the bottom end apart before i throw a different cylinder head at it.

turbovanmanČ
03-11-2011, 04:48 PM
Hmm, im really curious about this. There's one motor in a friend's car that got the crank turned and new bearings put in on the bottom end and still made this nasty noise from the first start-up (it was there before taking apart too). Im at the point where im blaming it on wristpins but i dont know what that noise sounds like, im just using process of elimination.. So how would wristpin noise come and go?

Im curious about the lifter bore thing too but i want to rule out having to take the bottom end apart before i throw a different cylinder head at it.

Wrist pin noise comes and goes with load, it won't totally go away but it will be really bad at a certain rpm and at some points, it will go away. Piston slap will be bad cold and as the engine warms up, get quieter or should and if you get it really hot, it should almost go away. My old engine had so much piston clearance, it sounded like a diesel, it was LOUD, it would go away the hotter it got but never totally gone, free rev was the worst, under boost would quieten it down.

Vigo
03-13-2011, 12:48 AM
Ok cuz the noise im thinking is wrist pins is only there if you rev it under load or hold it at certain rpms. If you keep almost no load while revving up it's faint. Gets really loud with load. Doesnt do it at idle at all. And the crank just got turned and new bearings put in like ~1000 miles ago and the noise was there from the get-go, before and after bottom end machining.

Dave
03-13-2011, 09:33 AM
Interesting to see what your noise turns out to be. I had my buddy come over and checked it out, he's thinking bearings as well.

So I will more than likely pull them out just to check. My only concern is the exact torque spec. I looked up the rod bearings per the ARP catalogue and it listed 50 ft/lbs with the ARP lube depending on what the machinist torqued it to while resizing the big end. No one has any idea what it was torqued to while being resized, so my question is should I just go ahead and torque it to 50 ft/lbs or is this such a critical figure I should remove the rods and resize again? lol This sure would be a worst case deal.

As well with the main studs, the catalogue does not show a listed torque value, I may have to just call ARP, but here again, the machine shop would need to line bore after torqued.

...what to do.

5sp. mini
03-13-2011, 10:38 AM
has it been line bored? if so and you have not srun a bearing then you will be fine. have you look at the bearing yet?

Dave
03-13-2011, 10:46 AM
has it been line bored? if so and you have not srun a bearing then you will be fine. have you look at the bearing yet?

Al, I'm unsure if it truley was line bored but you have to whenever you install main studs. I have not removed the bearings yet. I remember you helped Christian do the rod bearings, what did you guys torque the nuts to?