Rebuild: Turbo Minivan, Part 1

[RoadWarrior222]

Press F10 when your local universe reboots and go into setup, under constants, set pi = 3.2 , F10 again to save and exit and try that.

[Dave]

I'm guessing that's just the angle of the pic? I seem to remember someone having this problem some years ago and it turned out to be the wrong belt in the box. I believe the part # was right, but it was a tall block belt?

Did you dble check the belt length?

I did not. The thought came across my mind, however, at that time I already had it half way installed and I decided to simply check the part number and that was sufficient.

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Press F10 when your local universe reboots and go into setup, under constants, set pi = 3.2 , F10 again to save and exit and try that.

umm ok? Any constructive comments here?

[black86glhs]

Brian you have been on here long enough to know that is his constructive comment......lol.

[GLHNSLHT2]

There's guide sleeves to locate the snow guard IIRC that the bolts go through. Your guide sleeves still there? If the snow gaurd is for some reason sitting lower towards the crank pulley that that might be your problem, but I don't know how your oil pan or anything would seal around there so not sure.

[black86glhs]

There's guide sleeves to locate the snow guard IIRC that the bolts go through. Your guide sleeves still there? If the snow gaurd is for some reason sitting lower towards the crank pulley that that might be your problem, but I don't know how your oil pan or anything would seal around there so not sure.That is a good point. Can you loosen the bolts and push it towards the Int shaft pulley. Yes I know there isn't a ton of room, but it might make a difference.:)

[Dave]

There's guide sleeves to locate the snow guard IIRC that the bolts go through. Your guide sleeves still there? If the snow gaurd is for some reason sitting lower towards the crank pulley that that might be your problem, but I don't know how your oil pan or anything would seal around there so not sure.


That is a good point. Can you loosen the bolts and push it towards the Int shaft pulley. Yes I know there isn't a ton of room, but it might make a difference.:)

Good point guys. I'll check that it soon!

[turbovanman²]

If you have a CB, you can't move that seal retainer as it has dowels, unless you are missing them when you put it together and would explain why the belt is to close, but then the oil pan might not bolt up. Ack.

[GLHNSLHT2]

that's what I was saying, make sure that the sleeves are still there.

[turbovanman²]

that's what I was saying, make sure that the sleeves are still there.

Ahh, wasn't quite sure what you meant by sleeves.

[black86glhs]

Hey make sure the locating dowels are in that locate the seal retainer that is bolted to the front of the block that keeps oil from leaking out unless something is wrong but then you would know it anyway.:eyebrows:

[Dave]

T is actually leaking. Faaawk. That means pulling the crank gear back off doesn't it?i

[turbovanman²]

Hey make sure the locating dowels are in that locate the seal retainer that is bolted to the front of the block that keeps oil from leaking out unless something is wrong but then you would know it anyway.:eyebrows:

We already said that, sheesh, ;)

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T is actually leaking. Faaawk. That means pulling the crank gear back off doesn't it?i

Yep. What brand of seal did you use?

[Dave]

We already said that, sheesh, ;)

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Yep. What brand of seal did you use?

Felpro. I bought all the most expensive seals that I carried at work.

[turbovanman²]

Felpro. I bought all the most expensive seals that I carried at work.

Use OE or Gates on the front seal, the Felpro is a single lip, those others are a double lip, I switched to those after my front seal always leaked/seeped, now, nothing.

[Reaper1]

There has to be a Timkin number that will work that is a double lip....

[black86glhs]

We already said that, sheesh, ;)

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Yep. What brand of seal did you use?Well pardon the hell out of me Mr badwrench.:D

[135sohc]

Use OE or Gates on the front seal, the Felpro is a single lip, those others are a double lip, I switch to those after my front seal always leaked/seeped, now, nothing.

The latest mopar seal I bought was only the single lip... Side by side w/felpro they both looked the same.

[turbovanman²]

There has to be a Timkin number that will work that is a double lip....

When did Timken make seals? The Mopar and Gates seals are only $10.


Well pardon the hell out of me Mr badwrench.:D

LOL!


The latest mopar seal I bought was only the single lip... Side by side w/felpro they both looked the same.

That sucks, I'll see if I can dig the number up. I know for sure the gates is double lipped, bought one a month or so ago.

[135sohc]

The one I got is whatever the latest revised p/n is. I'll take a picture and post it up but I sure dont see this double lip you keep mentioning.

[turbovanman²]

The one I got is whatever the latest revised p/n is. I'll take a picture and post it up but I sure dont see this double lip you keep mentioning.

Its easy to see, it will have TWO sealing lips vs one that most have, lol. If it has one then they changed it up, :(

I'll get a Gates one and snap a pic.

[Dave]

Its easy to see, it will have TWO sealing lips vs one that most have, lol. If it has one then they changed it up, :(

I'll get a Gates one and snap a pic.

Ya I'd be interested. I don't like the idea of a brand new engine leaking anything... I'll put the gear and replace it, no big deal. I need to a find an economical gear puller though. :confused:

[Reaper1]

Simon, I've got a whole SLEW of Timken seals at work... I work at a place that the people are "stoned" and we work with autos.... ;) :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Simon, I've got a whole SLEW of Timken seals at work... I work at a place that the people are "stoned" and we work with autos.... ;) :thumb:

Got pics? Honestly never heard or have seen Timken seals, :eyebrows:

[Reaper1]

Here ya go, Simon! :thumb: ;)

http://www.timken.com/en-us/products/seals/Pages/default.aspx

[Dave]

Drove it to storage the other day. Barked the tires going into 2nd gear. :thumb:

Has a lot of pep down low until about 5-6psi it starts breaking up. WBO2 is not hooked up yet, so I'm uncertain where the problem is, however, I have a good feeling the fuel pump or strainer is varnished with old gas like the external filter was last year... Might be dropping the tank and sticking in an Aeromotive 340 pump.

Turbo smokes like nothing else... Still holding out for a Holset HE341. I'd like to get one around tax season. At the same time I'd like to pick up one of TUs fuel rails and a TU 3" downpipe-back exhaust.

Hopefully if I get that far next year I can run it deep into the 13's for now.

-Bryan

[Keito]

Remember you'll have to make a custom downpipe for the Holset.
I'm headed down that road now.

[Dave]

Remember you'll have to make a custom downpipe for the Holset.
I'm headed down that road now.

I'm pretty handy, thanks. lol

Was really debating this as well...
http://www.treadstoneperformance.com/product.phtml?p=1983&cat_key=632&prodname=DIY+Weld+El+Turbo+Manifold+kit

It's difficult for me to dump a lot into the van when Im enjoying the Audi so much. That's about to get new turbos next year as well. Frankenturbo F4 Hybrids. :D

[Dave]

Had a high boost miss when I brought it out. Apparently my 10 year old set of Magnecores are no longer good. lol

Still need to weld my O2 bung and hook my WBO2 up and turn the boost up. Hopefully we'll hit the track soon.

[turbovanman²]

Had a high boost miss when I brought it out. Apparently my 10 year old set of Magnecores are no longer good. lol

Still need to weld my O2 bung and hook my WBO2 up and turn the boost up. Hopefully we'll hit the track soon.

Well you know the fix, see sig, :nod:

[Dave]

Drove it work today. I'm thinking of pulling the block and starting over again. This piston to wall clearence is killing me. Its almost embarrassing to drive it.

[turbovanman²]

Drove it work today. I'm thinking of pulling the block and starting over again. This piston to wall clearence is killing me. Its almost embarrassing to drive it.

LOL, welcome to my world, mine is ok when cruising but idle is a bit noisey, hopefully will have that fixed next month, :nod:

[boost geek]

I'ltry get the car putgethe car there for good fryday hopehullly Dave take itther

[Dave]

Well it was a qt low on oil. Topped it off and took it for a spin. Sounded ok at first but the more I drove the louder and louder the noise became. Its starting to sound like a bearing knock again. So I'm done. Its parked and ill pull the motor whenever. Its more than likely going to sit until next year. For now I'm just going to focus my energy on my Audi and have fun with that this summer.

[RoadWarrior222]

LOL, welcome to my world, mine is ok when cruising but idle is a bit noisey, hopefully will have that fixed next month, :nod:
Heh well it'll be easy now, obviously your jinx has moved on :D

[turbovanman²]

Heh well it'll be easy now, obviously your jinx has moved on :D

Perfect, it worked, sorry Bry/Dave but someone else needs to have issues, lol.

[Aries_Turbo]

For now I'm just going to focus my energy on my Audi and have fun with that this summer.

youll blow that up just like the VW ;)

[turbovanman²]

youll blow that up just like the VW ;)

Oh no he didn't, :p

[Dave]

Ouch. All 2.7tt's are forged from the factory (crank, rods and pistons). Guys are making 600awhp reliably on stock bottom ends. I'm looking for 350-400awhp.

Anyway, its up for trade.
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?65300-FT-built-89-Caravan&p=907379#post907379

[Aries_Turbo]

forged schmorged.

here comes the KABOOM!!! ;)

Brian

[Dave]

We've got a used short block in the shed I'm going to try and use. Hopefully pull the engine back out sometime this month.

[Dave]

Hopefully pulling the engine out soon and tearing it back down to inspect the damage. Need to tear apart the spare short block. Ran the casting number and found it to be an 86-88 2.2 turbo short block. Will start the teardown here soon. I'm meeting with OhioRob Friday to build my exhaust for the Audi and then I need to build a console mounted gauge pod for it, then I can start.

Anyone know if the factory rod bolts and main bolts are reusable or are they TTY? I'd like to inspect the bearings while its apart and replace if theyre bad, plastigage and double check end gaps, etc.

While its out I really want to try and put the Holset on with a new downpipe.

Also trying to put a 5spd in if I can get someone to buy my Auto stuff or trade.
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?65527-FT-FS-Built-A-T-for-5spd-swap-or-sale-outright&highlight=

Thanks guys.

[turbovanman²]

Anyone know if the factory rod bolts and main bolts are reusable or are they TTY? I'd like to inspect the bearings while its apart and replace if theyre bad, plastigage and double check end gaps, etc.

While its out I really want to try and put the Holset on with a new downpipe.

Also trying to put a 5spd in if I can get someone to buy my Auto stuff or trade.
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?65527-FT-FS-Built-A-T-for-5spd-swap-or-sale-outright&highlight=

Thanks guys.

They are TTY but reusable. I wouldn't reuse the rod bolts and I wouldn't use the 88 T1 rods anyhow, especially if your going to beat on it.

What Holset?

[Dave]

They are TTY but reusable. I wouldn't reuse the rod bolts and I wouldn't use the 88 T1 rods anyhow, especially if your going to beat on it.

What Holset?

Oh, right, arent the early T1 rods real thin in the center? I thought it was reaaaal early T1's, like 86 older? Are the main bolts reusable? Do the torque specs change if I resuse both factory rod and main fasteners?

And as of now I'd really like a HY35, it seems to fit my setup best.

This engine, btw, is a temporary so I can drive it this year until I gather the time and money to rebuild the engine. Didnt really want it down for real long like last year while I built it.

[turbovanman²]

Gotcha, so if your not beating on it, then use the T1 rods. Are you keeping it 2.2?

Mains are TTY also but reusable.

HY's are nice, harder to find but suit the 8 valve better. The HE341/351 is also a nice turbo.

[Aries_Turbo]

Oh, right, arent the early T1 rods real thin in the center? I thought it was reaaaal early T1's, like 86 older? Are the main bolts reusable? Do the torque specs change if I resuse both factory rod and main fasteners?

85 and older T1 rods are nice and thick. They are thick as T2 rods except they are press in piston pins and they have a little less metal on the rod cap.

89 2.5L T1 rods are the same as T2 rods.

86-88 T1 rods are the lightweight rods.

Brian

[Dave]

Bummer. We'll see if they last!

[turbovanman²]

If your not beating on it/running stupid boost, they will work just fine.

[Keito]

And have a good tune, (no knock)

[Dave]

Two and a half years later, here's what we've been up to!

Caught it on fire...
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Sold it to my dad (thanks dad!)
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I think we've put less than 1,000 miles on it since the "rebuild" :confused:
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Stole the stock TII Garrett turbo from the woodie van, Derwood. Also added coolant lines back to the turbo.
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Added a Turbos Unleashed fuel rail, Aeromotive AFPR and plumbed with -6 AN hose and fittings. Also cleaned up the vacuum lines / vacuum block.
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Had a real bad vibration under load. Was able to loosen the mounts and re-center the engine to fix that.
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Also did a mini wire tuck on the passenger side inner fender area.
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That moves us to today! Tucked away in storage waiting for a fresh start.

I'll let you guys guess what this is going into... ;)

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-Bryan

[BIG PSI]

And so it begins once more.....
3 Turbos Minis getting ready for Spring.
Plus a TBI 5.speed Mini as well.


:)

[GLHNSLHT2]

what caused the fire?

[Dave]

And so it begins once more.....
3 Turbos Minis getting ready for Spring.
Plus a TBI 5.speed Mini as well.


:)

I'm excited!


what caused the fire?

Starter wiring was unshielded. Old dry wiring is like fire wood under the turbo.

[wheming]

I wish all those photos worked.
I can only see the wire tuck pic. :(

[Keito]

Ready for a brand new Dragway 42!
Wondered what you guys have been up to.

[BIG PSI]

We will be there with at least one Turbo Minivan. It better be in the 12 sec range too.


Ready for a brand new Dragway 42!
Wondered what you guys have been up to.

[1BADVAN]

Awesome! fun to see updates, makes me want to spend time and money on a van. I look forward to updates, Subscribing now

[Keito]

We will be there with at least one Turbo Minivan. It better be in the 12 sec range too.

Hope to make it there a few times next year with my GLH Omni
Looking for high 11's after the next round of upgrades

[Dave]

More parts are on their way for the build. Think I'll make a part II thread for this since it's starting all over again...

[turbovanman²]

Glad to hear some vans are getting love, mine aren't, :(

Van's look great, :thumb:

[Dave]

This build is done for. See Part II for where the fun is just beginning. :evil:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo328/Boostedminivan/Ruby%20Turbo%20Minivan/20150106_224926_zpskdois34v.jpg

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?77039-Rebuild-Turbo-Minivan-Part-II&p=1066853#post1066853

[RoadWarrior222]

Glad to hear some vans are getting love, mine aren't, :(


Yah, mine needs more lub :( ... we're getting back to that, only X TMs can run at any one time thing :D

[Reaper1]

I think that only a certain number of TM's running at one time is a universal constant! You get one going, and another one someplace will stop. LOL

[RoadWarrior222]

Bright idea! Everyone who can't make it to SDAC this year, let's have a fix-it binge weekend... could make SDAC "interesting" Muhuhahahaaaaaa :eyebrows:

[Rrider]

Nice mini build.. jealous.


..number of TM's running at one time is a universal constant! You get one going, and another one someplace will stop.

You're welcome for whichever four are out there running properly thanks to me.

[BadAssPerformance]

Please proceed to Part II Thread (http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?77039-Rebuild-Turbo-Minivan-Part-II&p=1066853#post1066853)

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?77039-Rebuild-Turbo-Minivan-Part-II&p=1066853#post1066853