catch cans / battery tray

[lengel]

I just got done making my catch can setup tonight, and thought I would post a few pictures of it. I have to give credit to carroll / Brian as they came up with the idea of puting the catch can next to the battery, I just made mine alittle different. Here are some pics of it.
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/bethany017/Picture1601.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/bethany017/Picture1602.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/bethany017/Picture1603.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/bethany017/Picture1604.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/bethany017/Picture1605.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/bethany017/Picture1606.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/bethany017/Picture1607.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/bethany017/Picture1608.jpg

[30 PSI SHADOW]

Very nice! let me know when you make extras,as im looking for someone to make me one....

[Bardo]

That's a slick set up

[bakes]

Time to put them into production!!!!!!!!

[Turbo3Iroc]

Very nicely done. I like how you made the tab on the bottom fit into the original battery tray hold down like it was meant to be there all along.

[turbovanman²]

Very nice, :hail:

Do you have any baffles in your valve covers?

[mr glenn]

very good work makes me jealous

[omni_840]

Nice!

[dds78910]

Man that looks good!

[Nemesismachine]

Wow, those are sexy cans. no homo.

[Mopar318]

Wow, that robot did a nice job on that!

Nice skills there, I bet that took a while to design. Works is A+

How well do those batteries work? I need to find a smaller battery for my 2.4 turbo first gen neon. How much do they cost?

[zin]

Very nicely done! Looks well designed and executed!:thumb:

I imagine more than a few of us wouldn't mind having just the battery tray part, as it would make running the IC piping much easier/cleaner, and it won't rust! And, if you hard anodize it, it won't conduct either...

The only question becomes, is that battery up to the challenge of day to day running? If so, I have a new project...

Mike

[BadAssPerformance]

Nice work as always lengel :clap:

[thefitisgay]

that things awesome

[lengel]

Thanks Guys! I didnt get the car running yet so I dont know how well the battery works. No baffles in the valve covers. I dont think Ill be making any more of these they take way too long to make, and nobody would pay what I would have to charge for one. Carroll may want to sell his. Last time I talked to him he said he didnt think it would fit in his omni.

[GLHSHELBY]

awesome job on this

[rx2mazda]

Thanks Guys! I didnt get the car running yet so I dont know how well the battery works. No baffles in the valve covers. I dont think Ill be making any more of these they take way too long to make, and nobody would pay what I would have to charge for one. Carroll may want to sell his. Last time I talked to him he said he didnt think it would fit in his omni.

Great work Lengel, way to take an idea and perfect it! Mine looks like sh!t now thanks. :p I got it to fit in my Omni though. :D
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/IMG_20101116_135136.jpg

As far as the Battery, its been great for me! DD it in my Spirit for about a year and now its in the Omni. Ive had it almost 2 probably.

[iTurbo]

Awesome job! I hope you decide to make more because you know how I like to buy in quantity.

[BIG PSI]

Lengel,

You need to start your own shop !!!!

Your craftsmanship is awesome.

[lengel]

Great work Lengel, way to take an idea and perfect it! Mine looks like sh!t now thanks. :p I got it to fit in my Omni though. :D
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/IMG_20101116_135136.jpg

As far as the Battery, its been great for me! DD it in my Spirit for about a year and now its in the Omni. Ive had it almost 2 probably.

Thanks Carroll! I think the GLH R/T needs the boost turned up a little. then you could run two vent lines to the catch can! LOL


Awesome job! I hope you decide to make more because you know how I like to buy in quantity.

OH I know, Mr. (4) TIII engines! LOL


Lengel,

You need to start your own shop !!!!

Your craftsmanship is awesome.

Thanks! Im working on that.

[Mopar318]

What kind of mill do you have?

[rx2mazda]

Thanks Carroll! I think the GLH R/T needs the boost turned up a little. then you could run two vent lines to the catch can! LOL


The GLH-R/T needs a new clutch! Bummer. BTW, they are both hooked up! :D

[lengel]

What kind of mill do you have?

At work we have (3) Tree machining centers (2) cincinnati machining centers (1) okuma high speed machining center (1) okuma lathe

[raccoon]

nice, ill be coping. :thumb:


do you still use the battery tray i cant see in the pic, I guess you wouldnt need it at all.

[zshadow]

Thats the neatest catch can setup i've seen EVAR!
it looks so nice and tidy in that engine bay :thumb:

[Directconnection]

Yes, it surely gives me ideas.... and even though I'm a machinist, I would be content with Carroll's. So, if I do make mine, it'll be not as purdy as I have too many irons in the oven with this car to spend a lot for hours duplicating your's ;-)

BTW: I'll have to look at the pix again, but the box or cans you guys have been using has no internal baffles?

[rx2mazda]

Yes, it surely gives me ideas.... and even though I'm a machinist, I would be content with Carroll's. So, if I do make mine, it'll be not as purdy as I have too many irons in the oven with this car to spend a lot for hours duplicating your's ;-)

BTW: I'll have to look at the pix again, but the box or cans you guys have been using has no internal baffles?

mine does.

[lengel]

Thanks guys

My cans dont have any baffles but the 5 small holes around the top kinda act like a baffle. Havent had a problem yet!

Adam

[rx2mazda]

Car hasn't run yet either. :p

[lengel]

Car hasn't run yet either. :p

LOL! Funny Guy! I had 1000 unbalanced miles on it.:(

[Vader85]

Very compact and innovative.....

[Moparbaby]

noob question:
if you vent the VC's, you don't need a vent from the crankcase?

Thanks

[turbovanman²]

noob question:
if you vent the VC's, you don't need a vent from the crankcase?

Thanks

Correct.

[rx2mazda]

noob question:
if you vent the VC's, you don't need a vent from the crankcase?

Thanks

incorrect.

there is still a vent tube that comes off the block on the TIII that needs to vent also. I have added a port on my catch can for it...I'm also gonna run a tube from the oilpan.

[Moparbaby]

incorrect.

there is still a vent tube that comes off the block on the TIII that needs to vent also. I have added a port on my catch can for it...I'm also gonna run a tube from the oilpan.

so with your catch can, you are running two lines for vc's, one for crankcase, and one drainage line back to the pan?

[Directconnection]

incorrect.

there is still a vent tube that comes off the block on the TIII that needs to vent also. I have added a port on my catch can for it...I'm also gonna run a tube from the oilpan.

I was thinking of running that one from the block to the catch can, and just one from the VC. That way, do you really think *two* at the VC is needed?

[Pat]

I was thinking of running that one from the block to the catch can, and just one from the VC. That way, do you really think *two* at the VC is needed?

I would think if you wanted one from the valve cover area, you'd want to tie the two valve covers together to equalize pressure.

[Directconnection]

I would think if you wanted one from the valve cover area, you'd want to tie the two valve covers together to equalize pressure.

Yeah, true.

[J&H Ryan]

If you ever decide to put these into production I'm in for a set. Was hoping it was a full size battery tray involved but the catch cans are good even alone.

[lengel]

If you ever decide to put these into production I'm in for a set. Was hoping it was a full size battery tray involved but the catch cans are good even alone.

Yeah I will let you know if I do. Im in the middle of changing my catchcan setup. Im getting rid of the little battery, so the new setup will only be the catchcans no battery tray. It will be bolted to the water box. I will get some pics up when im done.

[Scamp_GT]

I saw an article, in Car craft mag, that shows you how to make these. I would like to know if you had prior experience in making those or is there another source you used.
:hail: awesome job by the way

[turbovanman²]

I saw an article, in Car craft mag, that shows you how to make these. I would like to know if you had prior experience in making those or is there another source you used.
:hail: awesome job by the way

He's a pretty sharp cookie, :nod:

[lengel]

I saw an article, in Car craft mag, that shows you how to make these. I would like to know if you had prior experience in making those or is there another source you used.
:hail: awesome job by the way
Thanks! No I didnt have any prior experience making them this was my first set, but I do have a little experience programing CNCs. This was not my idea, Carroll and Brian came up with the idea of putting them there, I just made mine alittle different. My new setup is my own design. I will post some pics when I get it done.I should have it done this weekend

[jl93sundance]

Quick question. Wouldnt you need the catch cans hooked up to a vacuum source in boost, such as the intake for the turbo, to prevent positive crank case pressure buildup?

[rx2mazda]

Quick question. Wouldnt you need the catch cans hooked up to a vacuum source in boost, such as the intake for the turbo, to prevent positive crank case pressure buildup?

See the two big K&N air filters on top? That's where the air goes out.

[Scamp_GT]

This was what I was talking about I figured some people on here would like to know how too..:thumb:
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_1104_how_to_build_a_catch_can/index.html

[lengel]

Here are a few pics of my new setup. I dont know why they got rotated 90deg.
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/bethany017/DSCF0538.jpg
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/bethany017/DSCF0537.jpg

[Force Fed Mopar]

Could you like, rotate those pics? :D Btw since it wasn't answered earlier, where does the hole in the bottom go to? You drain back to the pan or just have a long hose that you drain into a pan periodically?

[zin]

Looks great!

I would make the humble suggestion that the hoses be replaced with stainless or aluminum hard lines. That won't would make it perfect in my eyes!

Mike

[rx2mazda]

i see you have a Ford product under your hood too.

[jl93sundance]

See the two big K&N air filters on top? That's where the air goes out.

I see that lol, but wouldnt it be better to put in vacuum under boost (from the turbo intake) intstead?

[tryingbe]

There is no vacuum from the turbo intake.

[rx2mazda]

I see that lol, but wouldnt it be better to put in vacuum under boost (from the turbo intake) intstead?


There is no vacuum from the turbo intake.

^^^This! Lol

[Force Fed Mopar]

There is no vacuum from the turbo intake.

Really?

[jl93sundance]

Really?

Im thinking the same thing. You're telling me at 20psi there is no vacuum being created through the inlet of the turbo?, or at a minimal a siphoning effect?

[rx2mazda]

Really?


Im thinking the same thing. You're telling me at 20psi there is no vacuum being created through the inlet of the turbo?, or at a minimal a siphoning effect?

What kind of vacuum are you talking about?

Typically when we talk about vacuum, as related to automobiles, we are talking about engine vacuum. In that case, there is no "vacuum" at the turbo inlet. How much vacuum is at turbo inlet at 6000rpms? I can't say...maybe someone else know.

If you want to pull vacuum through your catch can set-up, go ahead-it won't hurt anything. I'm pretty sure I was one of the first street TIII to vent both VC's and the only reason I did was because I a pushed out a cam seal at the track and didn't want to do it again(PITA to replace front cam seal). It's also well known that the stock TIII PCV set-up stinks. Now there are quite a few of us....Jackson, Lengel, Rob, etc. I first saw it done on SMP's Charger. Brian Slowe vents his the same way with no vacuum. Pat doesn't vent his at all and he runs 10's so....

[Pat]

Pat doesn't vent his at all and he runs 10's so....

But he should, and he knows it.

Venting the valve covers has been on the list for a long time.

[Force Fed Mopar]

What kind of vacuum are you talking about?

Typically when we talk about vacuum, as related to automobiles, we are talking about engine vacuum. In that case, there is no "vacuum" at the turbo inlet. How much vacuum is at turbo inlet at 6000rpms? I can't say...maybe someone else know.

If you want to pull vacuum through your catch can set-up, go ahead-it won't hurt anything. I'm pretty sure I was one of the first street TIII to vent both VC's and the only reason I did was because I a pushed out a cam seal at the track and didn't want to do it again(PITA to replace front cam seal). It's also well known that the stock TIII PCV set-up stinks. Now there are quite a few of us....Jackson, Lengel, Rob, etc. I first saw it done on SMP's Charger. Brian Slowe vents his the same way with no vacuum. Pat doesn't vent his at all and he runs 10's so....

We're talking about the suction in the air intake pipe under boost. It's why the T1/2/4 valve cover have a hose running from the PCV elbow to the airbox. When you are under boost the PCV valve is closed. So they used the suction of the air being sucked in by the turbo to help pull at least some vacuum in the crankcase. Otherwise you get seal leaks or blowouts, dipstick pops up etc.

[Shadow]

We're talking about the suction in the air intake pipe under boost. It's why the T1/2/4 valve cover have a hose running from the PCV elbow to the airbox. When you are under boost the PCV valve is closed. So they used the suction of the air being sucked in by the turbo to help pull at least some vacuum in the crankcase. Otherwise you get seal leaks or blowouts, dipstick pops up etc.

If your venting is efficient enough you No longer need vacume pulling it ;) + why would you want to risk oil running through your turbo/ IC/ intake set-up?

[turbovanman²]

What kind of vacuum are you talking about?

Typically when we talk about vacuum, as related to automobiles, we are talking about engine vacuum. In that case, there is no "vacuum" at the turbo inlet. How much vacuum is at turbo inlet at 6000rpms? I can't say...maybe someone else know.

.

There is a vacuum in the inlet, if there wasn't, you'd have no boost.

As for vacuum being engine vacuum, ANYTHING in a vacuum, is a, :drum:, vacuum.

I bet at 6K, your creating a huge vacuum, hence why carb's work.

[zin]

Technically what we are referring to is an area of low pressure/partial vacuum. And you're right, a Holley carb (4bbl) is designed to have a 1.5" depression across the venturi, which is why it is able to do work/pull fuel through it. Incedentally, the 2bbl carbs use a 5" depression, which is why a pair of 500cfm 2bbl carbs won't come close to a 1000cfm 4bbl...

It would be interesting to know what the depression is in the inlet tube/air filter on the big turbos... Might be surpirsing.

Mike

[jl93sundance]

If your venting is efficient enough you No longer need vacume pulling it ;) + why would you want to risk oil running through your turbo/ IC/ intake set-up?

You add a catch can in between and you don't have that problem, with the benefit of any vacuum that is being pulled through the intake of the turbo.

[Force Fed Mopar]

If your venting is efficient enough you No longer need vacume pulling it ;) + why would you want to risk oil running through your turbo/ IC/ intake set-up?


You add a catch can in between and you don't have that problem, with the benefit of any vacuum that is being pulled through the intake of the turbo.

I agree if your venting is sufficient. Which it really isn't on these engines. Although if the rings seal good you won't need as much venting and there'll be less oil vapor in the air being pulled out ;) If it was important enough to be done on stock cars...

[AZTurbo]

What ever happened to using a one-way valve into the down-pipe (AIR valve) to suck crank vapors? I know I'm still planning on doing it that way to avoid the engine having to breathe oil vapors. Still going to use the catch-can to avoid a smoking exhaust, but the catch should be put under vac when under load.