Mustang GT's...

[BoostMonkey]

Well, I see them all over the place, even try to get a race or two but to no avail. Any idea on what the 4.6 GT's will run? I also know of a guy who has a 93 GT 5.0 with headers, and intake. He thinks he'll really lay a hurting on the RT. I have his # so we'll see what happens.

So, 91 Spirit RT, 12-13 psi on a straight piped 3" (from bottom of DP-back) exhaust system. Will I get spanked or what?

Michael

[Darkwolf]

depends on the year. The 96-98s aren't anything special I think they run around the high 14s in the 1/4 give or take a couple tenths. The 99+s got a pretty decent bump in power and again without looking anything up I think they are low 14s maybe high 13s with a really good driver.

My 89 5.0l has all the normal junk and isn't all that fast but then it does have 150k miles on it. I've never taken it to the track but I'd guess it would be somewhere around 14 flat.

[GLHSKEN]

Low 15's high 14's in the low 90's is typical for those cars. From a roll a stock TII usually takes them ... so a TIII should be a lock.

[Whorse]

Even in my mid 15second VNT Lebaron I used to beat on stock GTs all the time. At the track I raced 2 modified ones. One ran a 16.7 that I beat, the other ran a 13.9 and beat me. Driver skill seems to make a fair bit of difference. The brand new GTs are very fast though, reportedly 13.9 from some sources (dealers).

[BadAssPerformance]

Yep, all depends on year. Also, keep in mind the older they are, the least likely they are stock.

[show-off]

The brand new GTs are very fast though, reportedly 13.9 from some sources (dealers).

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You just said 13.9 was fast:D

[Keito]

The brand new GTs are very fast though, reportedly 13.9 from some sources (dealers).[/QUOTE]

A guy here at work bought one.(2006)
He was running 14 flat all night long, until another guy at the track told
him to drive it like you stole it.
He said the last pass of the night he thrashed it, went 13.55@102.
Totally stock, 1200 miles on it.

[Captain Chaos]

The 06's are solid 13 second cars. My Horizon waxed an 02 GT they run somewhere in the mid to low 14's. Like 14.1-14.5 depending on auto or manual and the driver.

[Whorse]

13.9 is fast. The 06 GTs are definitely a step up from previous years, and they even look reasonable too.

[ShelbyTurbo]

I burned an older 4.6 GT at the track, with my Neon. He was pissed and drove back to the pits and popped the hood to see if anything was wrong with his car. :)

Your R/T would take the 5.0.

[86Shelby]

Watch out with your R/T. From a roll you should be able to beat him, assuming he's telling the truth.

With this run of yours, it's yours to lose in the first 60 ft. That is where every race from a dig I've had with all of my TDs has been determined. From a roll they have lost very few.

[ShelbyZD]

Well, I see them all over the place, even try to get a race or two but to no avail. Any idea on what the 4.6 GT's will run? I also know of a guy who has a 93 GT 5.0 with headers, and intake. He thinks he'll really lay a hurting on the RT. I have his # so we'll see what happens.

So, 91 Spirit RT, 12-13 psi on a straight piped 3" (from bottom of DP-back) exhaust system. Will I get spanked or what?

Michael

The 260hp 4.6Gt's were tested to run a 14.1 by motor trend. The new 300hp ones at 13.8. They dropped the hp of the 93 5.0 to 205. I'd be surprised if he beat you.

You guys sound like they are something special.. lol 300hp and they only run high 13's? A 300hp heavyweight (aka daytona) would easily smoke one. :) (provided traction wasn't an issue).


He thinks he'll really lay a hurting on the RT Funny thing about Mustang owners. .they all think they have the fastest cars on the road. Yet when it comes down to it all.. they can't explain why an old TD with much less hp blows the doors off of them every time. :D

[GLHNSLHT2]

My T2 converted New yorker Sucked the headlights out of a 96-98ish GT at the track by 10-12 cars :) Out on the freeway in a slightly newer GT It was neck and neck. From the light off the freeway I had him in 1st gear from a stop, Then forgot I had it locked out in 1st and bounced off the rev limiter 3 times, hit 2nd gear and couldn't pull him but he couldn't pull me either. Kicked myself for that but thought we were gonna go from a roll till the light turned red and was concentrating on getting the boost up and not what gear I was in. Anyway still embarassing to have a fairly stock T2 Auto New Yorker (grandma car hehe) Run side by side your GT mudstain with your two Girlie friends in the car laughing their heads off. The New Yorker cranked out a 14.3 at the track in the same trim it runs on the street.

[Dave]

Mustangs aren't anything special if they're stock. They respond well to mods. You should take care of him with your R/T. Turn the boost up to 14psi man.

[Mario]

The problem I have with many mustang guys is they brag about having 500hp out of a 4.6L or a 5.0L.

[86Shelby]

^^^ They look at the absolute power numbers, while you're looking at the specific output(hp/c.i.) side of the numbers. I've had that discussion many times before. I simply reply that cylinder for cylinder I put out more power.
500 HP is nothing to laugh at though.

[Clay]

I was running a couple of older GTs (94+) at the track two weeks ago. I was running mid 9s to their low 10s (1/8th mile).

I thought it was ultra haha!

[Darkwolf]

Hp/ci is a stupid argument. Its the argument of the rice comunity.

[Mario]

Lack of efficiency.

I've built both a V8 and 4 Cylinder. I prefer to be the underdog.

[3Bar_Mopar]

Hp/ci is a stupid argument. Its the argument of the rice comunity.


I agree.....faster is faster, who cares who makes more power per cylinder.



Anyway....I stayed with a '92 GT with exhaust from a roll in my stock ( except for open downpipe)automatic T1 Daytona...little Mitsu spooling for all she's worth. Neither of us could pull on each other.

[Darkwolf]

Efficieny doesn't really cut it either. Efficency in what the engine's physical size, wieght, gas mileage, cubic inches, etc? There are v8s out there that do pretty well in those catagories too other then cubic inches per HP like the mighty LS1 and is cousins. HEMI wouldn't be too shabby at those either if they would stick it in something that didn't weigh 4k + lbs.

I like my v8s and my forced induction 4s.

[Tony Hanna]

I've heard there's no replacement for displacement and I've heard boost is a replacement for displacement, but the thing we don't often stop to consider is that anything you can do to our little engines, you can do to the big ones.
The nice part about that is most people don't. So when you're out playing on the street, odds are that you won't run into many v8 cars prepared the way they could be. Still, whenever I need to get humble I watch a video saved on my computer of a twin turbo v8 Buick laying down 1000 horspower on a chassis dyno while smoking the tires on the roller. I know I'll never see that out of my car, but that doesn't make me enjoy it any less.

[BARRON]

Still, whenever I need to get humble I watch a video saved on my computer of a twin turbo v8 Buick laying down 1000 horspower on a chassis dyno while smoking the tires on the roller.

Exactly 1076.7 HP ... :)

[Tony Hanna]

Exactly 1076.7 HP ... :)

Chris Chow's car? The black v8 gn with the twin turbos sticking through the hood like Mickey Mouse ears?

[BARRON]

Oh yez!

[1qk4dr]

I had a 03 Mustang Gt(3260lbs) and my best time stock was 14.2. I hope that when I get my RT together I'll be running around that. There are pretty quick mustangs stock surprizingly. I ran 13.1@110 in my 03 Mustang Cobra with just a K&N and 2.34 60FT time. I'm hoping for mid 12's this year with drag radials and an a exhaust. If not a pully and tune is good for another 55whp on top of what I have now which should put it up to 445-455 at the wheels with the stock blower. There is a Mustang cobra making 735whp on pump gas but has hellion turbo kit installed just north of where I work. The crazy thing it's the guys everyday driver.

1991 Dodge Spirit Rt 2950lbs
1990 Volvo 240DL 3000lbs
2003 Mustang Cobra 3660lbs

[1qk4dr]

Oh by the way the new srt-8's are putting around 365whp stock. Exhaust, airfilter and tune they are seeing around 400whp. Sweet cars! There was one here in Ohio that has ran 12.7@110 with just exhaust, airfilter, and tune on street tires.

[1qk4dr]

Well, I see them all over the place, even try to get a race or two but to no avail. Any idea on what the 4.6 GT's will run? I also know of a guy who has a 93 GT 5.0 with headers, and intake. He thinks he'll really lay a hurting on the RT. I have his # so we'll see what happens.

So, 91 Spirit RT, 12-13 psi on a straight piped 3" (from bottom of DP-back) exhaust system. Will I get spanked or what?

Michael

The only thing you have to worry about is power adders on mustang gt's such as after market cams, headwork, and some type of blower. A typical Mustang pre 05 Gt won't beat you from a roll. From a dig make sure you have very sticky tires(LSD???). I ran 2.0's in my Gt on street tires. A good running spirit rt with what you have will waste a 04 and before mustang gt on top end. Pre 99's don't even have a chance unless modded more than just bolts ons and being NA. As for that 93 you should be able to shut him up pretty easy if that's all that has be done to his car.

[WVRampage]

Remember most also change out the rear end gears for 3.73 or 4.10s and with that you can get alot.

[GLHSKEN]

And I had a mustang (foxbody) SLOW down to 45mph on the freeway to TRY to take advantage ov 4.xx gears... I thought he wanted to "talk"... Boy was I surprised when he hit it.. walked him hard with a GLHS loaded with 4 people, slicks and 100 lbs of tools... These cars pull HARD ofter traction issues go away. (I know this because when I pulled into the station to add 2 gallons of race gas for the track he whipped a u-turn and was VERY talkative ;))

[BadAssPerformance]

Extra load helps too. about a decade ago I raced a 5.0L with my stock CSX while I was moving back to school. The CSX was loaded down and rollin low as I casually walked away from him ;)

[GLHSKEN]

LOL... JT, my wife would be upset with that comment!!! ;)

[BadAssPerformance]

:eek:

[1qk4dr]

And I had a mustang (foxbody) SLOW down to 45mph on the freeway to TRY to take advantage ov 4.xx gears... I thought he wanted to "talk"... Boy was I surprised when he hit it.. walked him hard with a GLHS loaded with 4 people, slicks and 100 lbs of tools... These cars pull HARD ofter traction issues go away. (I know this because when I pulled into the station to add 2 gallons of race gas for the track he whipped a u-turn and was VERY talkative ;))

Nothing is like big torque and no traction. Your car is way faster than most GLHS's and will smoke most cars on the street:lol: . None the less I bet the guy was in shock. Ken is you're car back together?

[GLHSKEN]

Nothing is like big torque and no traction. Your car is way faster than most GLHS's and will smoke most cars on the street:lol: . None the less I bet the guy was in shock. Ken is you're car back together?

Thanks... No it's not back together. Just got back from having sheet metal done. now off to body and paint. Havn't started the engine. No rush. Late next year is my guess.

The story above was with stock turbo and I/c... Any GLHS on the street could match it for less than $500

[1qk4dr]

Thanks... No it's not back together. Just got back from having sheet metal done. now off to body and paint. Havn't started the engine. No rush. Late next year is my guess.

The story above was with stock turbo and I/c... Any GLHS on the street could match it for less than $500

Are you getting the GLH-S removed on the side? I know that was one thing that bothered you about the car.

[GLHSKEN]

I didn't like the airbrushed graphics.... There won't be another GLHS that looks like it when it is complete...

[Directconnection]

Mustangs aren't anything special if they're stock. They respond well to mods. You should take care of him with your R/T. Turn the boost up to 14psi man.

He has a T-III... the stock injectors are pretty much maxed out (100% dc) at stock boost (11psi) from what I have been told so you have to be really careful with these cars on stock injectors.

[Directconnection]

5.0's and the 4.6 GTs are decent cars. Cheap v-8 rwd power. Not awesome, but decent.

I raced a few and seen a few stock at the track.

My other vnt shadow (the slower one) barely pulled on a '92 GT 5-speed. He had 2 passengers, me none. But in my defense, I had a bone stock VNT Shadow (including stock full exhaust at the time) but a 14psi cal.

My faster VNT Shadow outran a 200x GT Mustang 5-speed that I thought was a Cobra. Expecting to get waxed badly, but to my suprise, I pull on him 3 out of 3 races from 30mph rolls. We pull off and he has a cold air induction and a 3" borla system. I would say his car was mid 14s with those mods, but probably a 14.99 stock.

[jeff1234]

My co-worker has a 2004 mustang anniversary Gt. It looks pure stock, has a nice bassani exhaust system and a vortec supercharger. You cant tell from the outside, but he will easily put most T/D's down. 12.56 114 mph.
Moral? you cant tell a book by its cover.:evil:

[BadAssPerformance]

I almost got my first new mustang race on Wednesday night with the Shadow I burned 2nd gear all the way by and hit the brakes... then I noticed it was a V6 and he turned off at the next chance he could ;)

[MiniMopar]

Moral? you cant tell a book by its cover.:evil:

That's why I drive TDs. It's not for their innovative contruction or creature comforts...LOL.

[Hooty]

I have a 96 T-bird with a 4.6L. Nothing fantastic, just some basic mods... Okay, very basic mods, and realistically, It feels like the Lebaron of mine(T1, grainger, cone filter, 185degree thermostat) pulled harder on the bottom end, but near the top end, I don't think that it could take the T-bird. Of course, I have some plans for my t-bird in the future(new PI heads, PI intake, even playing around with the idea of supercharging it.....), soon as I get my lebaron back on the road I'll look closer.

I've seen ford mustang/t-birds walk on many a car, and vice versa. depends on the driver and the mods. A heavily modified 4cylinder against a stock v8 isn't a really great comparison. But I love both types of cars... so maybe I should just stop now.

-Will

[turboshadow]

I ran a new gt this past friday at the track. I beat him with my 14.56 to his 14.57:thumb: But he trapped 100mph vs. my 93mph he was having traction problems i think;)