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bakes
06-21-2010, 12:40 AM
What is the biggest nos shot you run or plan to on your tm.:evil:

BadAssPerformance
06-21-2010, 12:53 AM
Ummm this guy I know ... um, like over a decade ago hit 100 thru a mitsu :D

boost geek
06-21-2010, 12:55 AM
I plan for this year to run a zero shot.

bakes
06-21-2010, 12:59 AM
I currently have a Nos system that is capable of 50- 400 shot and 20# bottle was going to start off small maybe hit 100 max

BadAssPerformance
06-21-2010, 01:12 AM
Thats what they all say ;)

contraption22
06-21-2010, 02:50 AM
I'm currently running a 65hp shot, and thats as much as I'm comfortable spraying on this engine.

Gaboon
06-21-2010, 08:06 AM
The biggest I've run was an 80 shot.

I presently run a 70 shot which when dyno'd last gave close to 70 hp at the wheels.

ATaylorRacing
06-21-2010, 09:49 AM
Back in the past (when I USED to use it) I ran it on the following cars with the amount and results listed...two were not TM:
1999 Miata MX-5
Ran 15.8s
add 100 hp shot
Then ran 12.6s

1998 SOHC Neon
Ran 14.8s
add 125 hp shot
Then ran 12.1s

1990 Dodge Shadow w/S60
Ran 12.7s
add 50 hp shot
Then ran 11.9s

1985 Omni GLH Turbo
Ran 14.0s
add 150 hp shot
Then ran 11.8s
A few sources state that the set up was 175 hp, but it was 150.

I was using a modified NOS set up that used the big solenoids and two foggers....it is adjustable from 50 hp to 300!!! I always ran the most I thought I could safely get away with!

BadAssPerformance
06-21-2010, 10:07 AM
1985 Omni GLH Turbo
Ran 14.0s
add 150 hp shot
Then ran 11.8s
A few sources state that the set up was 175 hp, but it was 150.

I was using a modified NOS set up that used the big solenoids and two foggers....it is adjustable from 50 hp to 300!!! I always ran the most I thought I could safely get away with!

Suuuuuuure it was only 150 :D

Typically 100hp ~ 1 second .... and a single fogger can support 150 .... sooooo the legends about the bright blue box say you were areound a 250 shot? :D

LOL, either way, I do remember the car running just as well with a straight pipe replacing your leaking DC I/C! :lol:

bakes
06-21-2010, 10:24 PM
Leaking:lol: He blew the tank off the DC/ IC.

Pat
06-21-2010, 10:28 PM
Ran up to a 75 shot on my T-III Shadow, but it was definitely happiest with a 50 shot. Best ET and best MPH were both on the 50's.

The 8v Aries I'm bringing to SDAC will get sprayed...likely only to 50 hp.

bakes
06-21-2010, 10:40 PM
Ran up to a 75 shot on my T-III Shadow, but it was definitely happiest with a 50 shot. Best ET and best MPH were both on the 50's.

The 8v Aries I'm bringing to SDAC will get sprayed...likely only to 50 hp.

Was it a problem of over powering the track?

Pat
06-21-2010, 11:03 PM
Was it a problem of over powering the track?

No...for whatever reason, and it could have been because the motor was slowly failing, could have been a boost control issue, could have been a tune issue, but when I went to 75's, it was simply slower. I went 129.99 without spray, then went 135.5 with a 50 shot, went to 75's, had trouble controlling boost, went 133 pretty consistently. Went back to the 50 shot, with the boost a bit better controlled and it went 137.1 mph.

contraption22
06-21-2010, 11:09 PM
Pat, can you datalog or monitor knock on the fly? I was getting just a flicker on my knocklite the first time i tried more than a 50 shot. I backed the timing down 2 degrees and picked up a few mph.

Murphy
06-21-2010, 11:19 PM
50 shot on my 3.0

onerippinturbo2
06-21-2010, 11:53 PM
i was running 125 shot back in '93. i too blew apart a dc top mount cooler lol. those were the days!!!

bakes
06-21-2010, 11:56 PM
i was running 125 shot back in '93. i too blew apart a dc top mount cooler lol. those were the days!!!

I have a whole dc /ic kit for sale if needed:eyebrows:

ATaylorRacing
06-22-2010, 09:07 AM
Suuuuuuure it was only 150 :D

Typically 100hp ~ 1 second .... and a single fogger can support 150 .... sooooo the legends about the bright blue box say you were areound a 250 shot? :D

LOL, either way, I do remember the car running just as well with a straight pipe replacing your leaking DC I/C! :lol:

The single fogger on small solenoids goes only to 100 hp, big solenoids to 150.
The car was 2500lbs with me in it and running 14 flat showed 182 hp on my drag strip/hp at the tire calculation. When the car ran 11.87 at the same wt my calculation shows only 299 hp total at the tires...only a gain of 116 hp.
The total hp shot was 150.....I tried 175 hp shot the one year that I did not win the FWD Shootout when the Mopar Nats was at Indy (won te other two times) the result was that my fuel pump could not keep up and a huge sneeze lifted the head off of the motor, melted a quarter sized chunk out of a combustion chamber and melted the end off of a valve!!!! I only ran the stock block, head, and turbo turbo back then! As far as replacing the blown out intercooler with some exhaust pipe....the car slowed to 15.0s BUT it still would run 11.8s on nitrous....ah yes, the cooling effects of nitrous!!!

I miss all those cars....was turbo less for a long time until I got the Pit Bull (05 SRT4) but still no nitrous. It was at the point where I'd use up $80-$100 a week by playing on the street. Too much $$$$$. The Pit is running a S2 no toys set up with BFMIC, Mopar CAI, S3 turbo with S3 02 Housing, and Mopar exhaust with a Spiralflow muffler added. It was running consistant 12.8-12.9 lately with only 14 psi of boost. The exhaust has been changed to a 3" side outlet using only the Mopar muffler. A FIC controller was added and boost is now at 18 with no knock...still on pump gas. My 750 injectors will soon be installed and my wrench said that I should get at least 25 psi out of it then!!
At Edgewater I always have traction issues and at the last SDAC nats there I dialed only a 13.5...my regular races there back then I'd dial 13.1-13.2s. I am now dialling and running high 12s...see the links below and look at what I race against:

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/12117428_8ZVD3#861323768_YikPq
and
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/12117428_8ZVD3#861324390_imRtY







;

"Top Fuel" Bender
06-22-2010, 09:38 AM
your supposed to put a jet in there? I was wondering what the restrictors were for :lol:

SebringLX
06-22-2010, 09:58 AM
I have a dual bottle Zex wet kit laying around, still haven't decided if I'm going to use it this year or not. :P

BadAssPerformance
06-22-2010, 10:15 AM
The single fogger on small solenoids goes only to 100 hp, big solenoids to 150.
The car was 2500lbs with me in it and running 14 flat showed 182 hp on my drag strip/hp at the tire calculation. When the car ran 11.87 at the same wt my calculation shows only 299 hp total at the tires...only a gain of 116 hp.
The total hp shot was 150.....

What were the mph's to go with the 14's and 11.80's?


I tried 175 hp shot the one year that I did not win the FWD Shootout when the Mopar Nats was at Indy (won te other two times) the result was that my fuel pump could not keep up and a huge sneeze lifted the head off of the motor, melted a quarter sized chunk out of a combustion chamber and melted the end off of a valve!!!!

I was in the other lane, you left on me and then your car dissappeaed in smoke! :eek: both ends of the HG gone, never saw that before then!


I only ran the stock block, head, and turbo turbo back then! As far as replacing the blown out intercooler with some exhaust pipe....the car slowed to 15.0s BUT it still would run 11.8s on nitrous....ah yes, the cooling effects of nitrous!!!

LOL, exactly!

ATaylorRacing
06-22-2010, 02:54 PM
What were the mph's to go with the 14's and 11.80's?

I was in the other lane, you left on me and then your car dissappeaed in smoke! :eek: both ends of the HG gone, never saw that before then!

LOL, exactly!

The 14s were in the high 90 mph range while the 11.87 was at 121...my 98 SOHC Neon was hiting the 12.17 pass at 119.

My current mph in the 1/8th for the Pit Bull is 90 and the high 12s are at 110.
My wrench says that with the 750cc injectors and his lap top set up of the FIC and at least 25 psi we should top 120 and if I ran the hell out of it the high 11s are attainable. I don't leave like that...launching at only 2800-3000 rpm or less.

Of course having those level 5 DSS axles (750 hp rating) helps....got runner up at the last United Manual Transmission Racers Series race!:evil::eyebrows::thumb::lol:

shadow88
06-22-2010, 04:42 PM
50 for a while, went up to 70 last year. Best dyno and 1/4 mile time and trap speed with 70 hp jet. Got 80 in there now, waiting for the rain to let off one of these weekends and we'll see how it does.

BadAssPerformance
06-22-2010, 06:24 PM
The 14s were in the high 90 mph range while the 11.87 was at 121...:

From mph... 2500lb car 98mph ==> 121mph trap ~ 174whp increase

Murphy
06-23-2010, 12:27 AM
always calculate power form MPH, not time

ATaylorRacing
06-23-2010, 06:41 AM
My hp quotes for the jets I was running were from NOS.

My 05 SRT4 is 3035 lbs with me in it and runs normally 8.4s at 90 in the 1/8th and 12.8s at 110 in the 1/4......my calculations using ets show 285 hp, what does yours using mph show??

I like my set up since I can figure out a new et based on how much less the package weighs compared to a previous pass.

Pat
06-23-2010, 07:48 AM
From mph... 2500lb car 98mph ==> 121mph trap ~ 174whp increase

But with a 150 shot and a stock turbo, it's very likely boost jumped up with the spray, which would account for the more than the calculated 150 whp.

ATaylorRacing
06-23-2010, 08:38 AM
But with a 150 shot and a stock turbo, it's very likely boost jumped up with the spray, which would account for the more than the calculated 150 whp.

The boost was turned down to 14-15 with spray...I would always need to do that or it would hit overboost and shut down. Without spray I'd boost it up to the same numbers.

ShadowFromHell
06-23-2010, 11:33 AM
So where are you guys mounting your nozzles? I have a wet kit Ive been saving for when I put my shadow back together. If my NY didnt have LW rods, id be installing it on it after reading this thread.

contraption22
06-23-2010, 12:09 PM
So where are you guys mounting your nozzles? I have a wet kit Ive been saving for when I put my shadow back together. If my NY didnt have LW rods, id be installing it on it after reading this thread.

In the upper intercooler pipe, about 10-12" from the throttle body. Others have had good results with other locations as well.

BadAssPerformance
06-23-2010, 01:55 PM
Elbow behind the TB firing down the plenum...

from the bottom so its all hidden like

;)

SebringLX
06-23-2010, 02:14 PM
Elbow behind the TB firing down the plenum...

from the bottom so its all hidden like

;)

Is it OK to put it in a silicone coupler (which is what my elbows are), or will that cause leaks?

Instructions for the stuff I have says 6 to 18 inches from the TB...

Murphy
06-23-2010, 02:41 PM
mine is at most 6" from my TB on my 3.0, but probably more like 3". Its at the center of the elbow pointed directly at the TB. Can't really see it in this pic...but you get the idea on space

http://murph.axode.net:100/images/engine.jpg

I personally wouldn't put a nozzle in a silicone coupler, that jsut sounds like it would be making a weakpoint for it to shred itself apart. Especially considering your boosting through it

BadAssPerformance
06-23-2010, 06:58 PM
Is it OK to put it in a silicone coupler (which is what my elbows are), or will that cause leaks?

Instructions for the stuff I have says 6 to 18 inches from the TB...

No go in a pressure hose... 24psi is enuff to have that nozzle dent your hood.

Its been done on N/A cars tho... thats what we call "rental style" but I have seen many a camaro put it in the coupler behind the air filter...

"hey why's my juice not working so good"

"cuz the nozzle rotated around and you're spraying your air filter?"

BadAssPerformance
06-23-2010, 07:00 PM
My hp quotes for the jets I was running were from NOS.

My 05 SRT4 is 3035 lbs with me in it and runs normally 8.4s at 90 in the 1/8th and 12.8s at 110 in the 1/4......my calculations using ets show 285 hp, what does yours using mph show??

I like my set up since I can figure out a new et based on how much less the package weighs compared to a previous pass.

3035lb and 110mph ~ 339whp

Murphy
06-23-2010, 07:30 PM
No go in a pressure hose... 24psi is enuff to have that nozzle dent your hood.

Its been done on N/A cars tho... thats what we call "rental style" but I have seen many a camaro put it in the coupler behind the air filter...

"hey why's my juice not working so good"

"cuz the nozzle rotated around and you're spraying your air filter?"

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/photopost/data/705/medium/P1010057.JPG

BadAssPerformance
06-23-2010, 11:10 PM
LOL!! :thumb:

bakes
06-23-2010, 11:17 PM
Who had the 250+ pro fogger system on a 3.0l .

Murphy
06-23-2010, 11:55 PM
Rick Lozier/Reaper1's had a 150 shot on his 12 sec daytona

ATaylorRacing
06-25-2010, 12:56 AM
I suggest strongly that foggers be put in the intake......I had actually bent my TB blade from the force of my NOS spray!!!

ATaylorRacing
06-25-2010, 12:59 AM
3035lb and 110mph ~ 339whp

W O W.....I wonder what it will be next week with the 775 (not 750) injectors and the boost cranked up to 25!!!

bakes
07-04-2010, 04:25 PM
Ok who raised the shots for SDAC:evil::eyebrows:

Pat
07-04-2010, 04:55 PM
Ran up to 75 in the ScAries. 12.2 @ 114.98 at only 18-20 psi. I elected to go bigger with the spray and less on the boost to give it a try. The car seemed happy, plugs looked perfect, no knock. It was very rich, but all was working, so I left well enough alone.

BadAssPerformance
07-04-2010, 08:10 PM
You woulda had me if you had 100hp jets ;)

bakes
07-04-2010, 09:56 PM
You woulda had me if you had 100hp jets ;)

Shoulda Coulda but didn't!!!!!:p

JDAWG
07-04-2010, 10:15 PM
Is anyone running 2JZ with nos?

Pat
07-04-2010, 11:18 PM
You woulda had me if you had 100hp jets ;)

Doubt it...it barely picked up anything going from 35 to 75 jetting. It went 12.4 @ 111 on 35's, and a bunch of 12.2's at 113-114 on 75's. Fueling changes made little to no difference, timing changes made no difference, etc. There's a big cork holding her back.

It's going to take well more than a jet change to catch you.

JDAWG
07-05-2010, 12:38 AM
Pat even though I wanted to see the shadow I LOVED the aries, every time it came to the burnout box I was smiles ear to ear

BadAssPerformance
07-05-2010, 10:37 AM
Doubt it...it barely picked up anything going from 35 to 75 jetting. It went 12.4 @ 111 on 35's, and a bunch of 12.2's at 113-114 on 75's. Fueling changes made little to no difference, timing changes made no difference, etc. There's a big cork holding her back.

It's going to take well more than a jet change to catch you.

well according to that math...

35hp ~ 12.40's
75hp ~ 12.20's
100hp ~ 12.00's which is what I ran on our epic race ;)

Pat
07-05-2010, 12:42 PM
well according to that math...

35hp ~ 12.40's
75hp ~ 12.20's
100hp ~ 12.00's which is what I ran on our epic race ;)

Next year, JT...next year. :p

BadAssPerformance
07-05-2010, 01:54 PM
Next year I wanna run yer Shadow :D

Michael_Valentine
07-24-2010, 12:35 AM
Where would you mount it on a T1? Would 35hp be safe in a 86 T1?

contraption22
07-24-2010, 08:34 AM
Where would you mount it on a T1? Would 35hp be safe in a 86 T1?

I'd mount the nozzle in the elbow of the intake manifold. I have seen it tried before the turbo, but I would be afraid of what the cold shock would do to the compressor wheel.

35hp should be safe, providing the engine is in good shape.

Michael_Valentine
07-24-2010, 11:55 AM
I should mention I have already done these mods and the car has much more power than before. Engine got less than 10000 on a rebuild:

Ported 89 Head with 88 TBI Roller Cam
Ported T1 Exhaust/Intake Manifold
Ported T1 TB and elbow below the TB
New T1 Turbo with Fast Spool option
3" SwingValve
3" Downpipe
2.5" Cat and back
803 Injectors and Walpro Pump
Underdrive Pulley
Stage 1 ECU at 12psi

contraption22
07-24-2010, 12:06 PM
I should mention I have already done these mods and the car has much more power than before. Engine got less than 10000 on a rebuild:

Ported 89 Head with 88 TBI Roller Cam
Ported T1 Exhaust/Intake Manifold
Ported T1 TB and elbow below the TB
New T1 Turbo with Fast Spool option
3" SwingValve
3" Downpipe
2.5" Cat and back
803 Injectors and Walpro Pump
Underdrive Pulley
Stage 1 ECU at 12psi

If all you want is 35hp... convert it to TII and save yourself the cost of the nitrous.

Michael_Valentine
07-24-2010, 01:24 PM
Want to keep the stock look and already invested to much to do the change. $300 NOS system would be cheaper at this point and just want the extra for every now and then. Plenty of power as is for everyday use.

contraption22
07-25-2010, 12:10 AM
Most people outside the TM community have no idea what a stock motor looks like anyway. The TII conversion can be done for much less than $300, and most of your upgraded components can be reused except the TB and intake manifold.

3Bar_Mopar
09-27-2010, 03:05 AM
Resurrecting an old thread but, kinda exited and just wanted to post that I'll be buying a wet kit soon for under $200 from one of my LS1 friends.
I plan on running a 50 shot or a 75 shot max on the Sundance.

So far I've got: '89 2.5 with ported 782 head, '88 roller cam, ported intake and exhaust manifolds, 52mm TB, hogged out 2.5" swing valve, open dump, Forward Motion EF1 turbo, FFV injectors, accufab, stock Daytona VNT intercooler, solid engine mounts, 3 Bar cal on 20 pounds, converted from automatic to A-520, magnecor wires, SRT4 front suspension and gutted interior.

I plan on possibly using a stock 4th gen Supra fuel pump, Bosch 044 or 2 Walbro 255's...one in tank and one inline on a hobbs switch. I want the engine to be 100+ shot capable.

My goal is to gain another 100 lb/ft at the tire and put me around 400 lb/ft, then get my car lighter by removing the dash and the front carpet. I'm also going to cut out the spare tire well and put in a flat sheet of metal really soon (rust), then possibly remove the gas tank and use a fuel cell. I think it's around 2000 pounds now with how stripped it is. I'd like it around 1900 something.

I should be able to trap high 120's if not 130 with that kind of power to weight and the car should roll pretty hard on the highway........................................... ..............or break.

bakes
09-27-2010, 01:28 PM
Resurrecting an old thread but, kinda exited and just wanted to post that I'll be buying a wet kit soon for under $200 from one of my LS1 friends.
I plan on running a 50 shot or a 75 shot max on the Sundance.

So far I've got: '89 2.5 with ported 782 head, '88 roller cam, ported intake and exhaust manifolds, 52mm TB, hogged out 2.5" swing valve, open dump, Forward Motion EF1 turbo, FFV injectors, accufab, stock Daytona VNT intercooler, solid engine mounts, 3 Bar cal on 20 pounds, converted from automatic to A-520, magnecor wires, SRT4 front suspension and gutted interior.

I plan on possibly using a stock 4th gen Supra fuel pump, Bosch 044 or 2 Walbro 255's...one in tank and one inline on a hobbs switch. I want the engine to be 100+ shot capable.

My goal is to gain another 100 lb/ft at the tire and put me around 400 lb/ft, then get my car lighter by removing the dash and the front carpet. I'm also going to cut out the spare tire well and put in a flat sheet of metal really soon (rust), then possibly remove the gas tank and use a fuel cell. I think it's around 2000 pounds now with how stripped it is. I'd like it around 1900 something.

I should be able to trap high 120's if not 130 with that kind of power to weight and the car should roll pretty hard on the highway........................................... ..............or break.

sweet can't wait!

shadow88
09-28-2010, 05:01 PM
3 bar - Sounds like a lightweight killer!!

I see no reason to run more than one 255 pump. I haven't yet and I have trapped 120mph, as well as put very close to 450 foot pounds to the tire. I run an 80hp jet now with very close to 30 pounds of boost. I have no weight removed from my car.

Why do you want to do the extra pump?

Have you considered running less than 100 hp jets through a single point system? I remember reading from a very nitrous-smart person that distribution problems begin to arise around then.

bakes
04-21-2011, 12:15 PM
Just jetted for a 35 shot to sort the new set up then i will move it slowly to 75 shot .

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?58306-need-pics-of-Nos-installs-on-8v-s

bakes
04-24-2011, 10:36 PM
30550

boost geek
04-24-2011, 10:39 PM
That almost looks like you! lol

Ondonti
06-13-2011, 08:20 AM
updates on that sundance? I think the weight is very very optimistic. If you still have carpet and spare tire well you are probably more like 2400 pounds. P body is a heavy car. Also not sure about those trap speeds combined with an Enforcer 1 turbo.

John B
06-13-2011, 08:59 AM
There's a big cork holding her back.



Any ideas on what it is?

Pat
06-13-2011, 01:48 PM
Any ideas on what it is?

From SDAC, the cylinder head was a bone stock, far from perfect swirl head. That was restriction #1.

At this point, the car runs mid 11's and the new restriction is the intercooler, too small of a turbo for big power and the stock style 2.5" swingvalve that probably isn't helping much.

BadAssPerformance
06-13-2011, 07:16 PM
From SDAC, the cylinder head was a bone stock, far from perfect swirl head. That was restriction #1.

At this point, the car runs mid 11's and the new restriction is the intercooler, too small of a turbo for big power and the stock style 2.5" swingvalve that probably isn't helping much.

Intercooler, with the juice? Why? ;)

Pat
06-13-2011, 10:11 PM
Intercooler, with the juice? Why? ;)

It's crossed my mind....more than once.

BadAssPerformance
06-13-2011, 10:33 PM
It was either SDAC-8 at Indy or a Mopar Nats at Indy and Angelo's DC top mouttn IC leaked so before the event he replaced it with a piece of exhaust pipe... and the car didnt slow down, LOL

Pat
06-14-2011, 10:29 AM
It was either SDAC-8 at Indy or a Mopar Nats at Indy and Angelo's DC top mouttn IC leaked so before the event he replaced it with a piece of exhaust pipe... and the car didnt slow down, LOL

He was low boost, huge nitrous hit though, wasn't he? IC is cheap insurance to me...not worth risking running without one.

Plus, I have to autocross it and my plan is that I'll have enough traction to be able to throw some boost at it and have it stick at the autocross (Barry's going to like the go pedal on the car this year!). Without an IC, I don't think I'll safely make the power I want on a 40 second autox.

BadAssPerformance
06-14-2011, 10:04 PM
Not sure what boost he ran.. and he may only say 150 shot but IIR it did have 2 fogger nozzles, LOL

Yeah, forgot about the Auto X... BTW, you still need JT to fab up a header for the team? ;)

roachjuice
07-22-2011, 08:19 AM
35-50 shot is safe on a stock 2.5 bottom. Hmmmm I'm getting ideas....