mission last night

[4cefedomni]

i got there set up the car and got in line for my first race everything going good, race started and car hooked up good was going great i was about a car lenght behind an eclipse, then blah nothing car went dead and engine light on WTF. let off the gas car picks up again floor it blah WTF. let off it started again it did this the whole way. the funny thing is that the eclipse also had real problems just after me so we were both dogging it down the track. After the race checked the codes it said tps sensor,i tried to take it off but it was seized on real good so i just cleaned the terminals and put it back on . next race they put me up against a riced out BMW M3 lights went green i rolled into the throttle and went it was going great no spinning tires it hooked up nice (next time i'm going to brake stand it) i was ahead of him the whole way down the track it was my first real run. Run #1 20.88@47.95 Run #2 13.67@100.11 that was all for the night as it started to pour rain.

[Will Martin]

That is a really nice time you got there, what are your mods? Sounds like one fast Omni, I'd like to see it in person. I was gonna go, but couldn't finish my GLH in time. I'll be around for next week though if the weather cooperates. I don't think mine is that fast but I should be a step behind you. :thumb:

[4cefedomni]

its a stock block stock mitsu turbo and 18psi of boost with cold start injectors all real low tech stuff i'm putting my money into the engine i'm building for it now.

[Will Martin]

Wow, that's very impressive for a Mitsu powered car! Do you have an EGT gauge or A/F gauge? Have you had anytime to tune it? Are you running slicks? Sometimes keeping it simple is the way to go!

[4cefedomni]

street tires rolled into the throttle i have an air fuel gauge no real tuning time as i'm putting day permits on it to drive it

[4cefedomni]

i have three cold start injectors to make sure i don't lean out

[Will Martin]

Well, that's a good safety precaution. Was there any other TD members there? We gotta meet up someday, I've heard a lot about your car.

[4cefedomni]

12secondomni was there he was running 13's too

[Whorse]

Wow, that's very impressive for a Mitsu powered car! Do you have an EGT gauge or A/F gauge? Have you had anytime to tune it? Are you running slicks? Sometimes keeping it simple is the way to go!

You should see his interior, or lack thereof.

[Whorse]

Congrats on a nice run. I wish I could've made it. Next week hopefully.

[4cefedomni]

what 2 seats aren't enough for you

[4cefedomni]

the interior goes back in after the roll cage

[Will Martin]

the interior goes back in after the roll cage

Are you making the cage yourself or having someone do it? I may need one, depending on how fast my car is, which I don't know.

[4cefedomni]

i have a mig welder but no bender so i might try to get a shop to bend it all up for me then i will weld it in

[Whorse]

Are you going to get it certified in case you want to run 9s? :D

[boost geek]

I wanted to make it out, but changed my mind. my friend has a Ranger he was gonna race, and uses a flat deck trailer, but he was in Ashcroft, so I would have to tow my car home if I wrecked it. I also cant run 17 psi until I get some bigger injectors ($47.95 each at Dodge for +40s), and didnt get my dawes hooked up till today. I'll have to see if I can make it out next friday...

[4cefedomni]

that would be sweet to have a big turnout next week i hope to be there if i can get some of my cars bugs worked out

[4cefedomni]

my video from fridays run http://media.putfile.com/omnis-first-run

[Will Martin]

Man that thing is flying! You've now given me the motivation to finish my GLH tomorrow. Thanks!

[4cefedomni]

get on it then we can roll in style through the streets of surrey oh yah.

[Will Martin]

No doubt! I've been toying with it the last few days since it's been sitting for about 3 months. Something about it is a bit different.....it's stumbling on idle and acceleration. I think it's the exhaust valves or the cam (Wolverine cam). I did my compression and it was 145-150-150-150. Added 3 drops of oil to cyl #1 and it was 150-150-150-150. :eyebrows: Still stumbles though.... Then after swapping out from +20% injectors to +40%, I forgot to turn down the fuel pressure, so my nice Champions are all fouled. lol Luckily I had an extra set of V power NGK's. :thumb: I'll try to have it on the road before Friday...;)

[turbovanman²]

Will, quit flapping your gums and get your damn car finished, sheesh, :mad:

I am glad I didn't trash to get the van done, one run would have pissed me off.

Nice runs, the first one your flying, lol, :lol: :thumb:

[Will Martin]

Will, quit flapping your gums and get your damn car finished, sheesh, :mad:

Kind of hard to do when you're waiting months and months and living off broken promises from vendors. :amen: But how am I to realize the full potential of my car when I waited over 2 months for a fuel rail and still waiting on my TU cal that was supposed take a month to finish? As long as the compression showed that my bottom end is healthy, I can trace the stumbling. The car is a dog with the TIV cal, and to be honest, I'd lost motivation to finish the car and was gonna sell it. :yuck:

[turbovanman²]

Yes, I know your waiting for parts, just bustin your chops. Are you not going to take me up on my offer and Shelgames?

[Will Martin]

Yes, I know your waiting for parts, just bustin your chops. Are you not going to take me up on my offer and Shelgames?

Yeah, but first I have to find a socketed computer!
:lol:

[turbovanman²]

Yeah, but first I have to find a socketed computer!
:lol:

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr-:mad:

[Will Martin]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr-:mad:

Exactly! lol And I've been thinking about my car running funny since I've put in the +40%'s; the fuel is too high. I forgot I didn't back it down enough, so it's WAY too rich. Tonight I'll bump it down to about 25psi and see what happens then.

[turbovanman²]

Exactly! lol And I've been thinking about my car running funny since I've put in the +40%'s; the fuel is too high. I forgot I didn't back it down enough, so it's WAY too rich. Tonight I'll bump it down to about 25psi and see what happens then.

Like I said, I can socket your computer, you get Shelgames cal and your good to go, :amen:

BTW, noticed your sig, use the SRT motor, its better and sell me the TIII stuff I need, :eyebrows:

[Will Martin]

Like I said, I can socket your computer, you get Shelgames cal and your good to go, :amen:

Well then, I'll PM you about bringing that computer by....:eyebrows:

[r00tcause]

street tires rolled into the throttle i have an air fuel gauge no real tuning time as i'm putting day permits on it to drive it

What are the details on the slip? (60ft etc) Is this an automatic car?

[4cefedomni]

1229its an auto

[Whorse]

What happened at the 1000ft?

[turbovanman²]

Very nice timeslip. I can't believe the other guy cut a 2.2 light? was he asleep?????????? :lol:

[4cefedomni]

on the video it looks like i slaughtered him real good because of his horrible rt as for what happened at the 1000' i have no idea what your talking about?

[4cefedomni]

my motor is toast it was getting real bad blow-by and lots of smoke on the way home from the track it blew out the cam seal i lost 2 quarts of oil i pulled over and fixed it on the side of the hiway got off at the next exit and put in more oil( the exit was real close). today i pulled the head and its got badly worn cylinders the pistons can rock back and forth alot and the head gasket was leaking between cylinders 1&2 so it explaines the low compression in those cylinders. cylinder 3 was at 125 psi thats fine but cylinder 4 was at 75psi and it had oil on the spark plug and all over the intake valve so i think the valve guides are shot on that cyl so now i'm stuck do i pay to fix this temporary motor or do i tear down the car and just build up my hybrid. i do have a spare shortblock that was bored over before i got it and its pistons are tight in the cylinders but this was the engine i was going to use for my hybrid. any thoughts?

[turbovanman²]

Its really up to you. Can you wait to build your hybrid? do you have another car to drive? do you want to drive your Omni this summer with an 8V?

[WOP'R]

WHAT! there may be a chance of a hybrid omni in BC?! OoOoOoOoO

[r00tcause]

my motor is toast it was getting real bad blow-by and lots of smoke on the way home from the track it blew out the cam seal i lost 2 quarts of oil i pulled over and fixed it on the side of the hiway got off at the next exit and put in more oil( the exit was real close). today i pulled the head and its got badly worn cylinders the pistons can rock back and forth alot and the head gasket was leaking between cylinders 1&2 so it explaines the low compression in those cylinders. cylinder 3 was at 125 psi thats fine but cylinder 4 was at 75psi and it had oil on the spark plug and all over the intake valve so i think the valve guides are shot on that cyl so now i'm stuck do i pay to fix this temporary motor or do i tear down the car and just build up my hybrid. i do have a spare shortblock that was bored over before i got it and its pistons are tight in the cylinders but this was the engine i was going to use for my hybrid. any thoughts?


If you can afford it, find a used stock SRT4 motor and drop that in. It's really the easiest way to go.

13.6 at 100? Automatics take more mph than I thought. My old glh ran 13.9's at 103mph with the same 60ft. 13.6 would be closer to 105 on a 5-speed.

[Will Martin]

I have an SRT-4 motor and trans. :eyebrows:

[boost geek]

I dont think I'll be racing tomorrow, gonna jam out. I dont dare take the car there without injectors, I just know something is gonna happen, and this is my d.d. I dont wanna run 6-7 psi off the computer-boring. Its all or nothing, unplugged w.g. canister, shimmed for 17 psi.
Guess I'm just gonna have to wait a little longer...

[4cefedomni]

no i'm going hybrid but i think in the meantime i will put my car together as an 8v with my good block as it should only cost me a new headgasket and some time. it will also give me a chance to put in my garret turbo and ditch the mitsu. and there WILL be a hybrid omni in B.C. i'm just gathering my parts i already have my head and block, on monday i ordered a megasquirt kit with a 4 bar map sensor and a wideband o2 controller and sensor i'm in it too far to back off now:D

[turbovanman²]

no i'm going hybrid but i think in the meantime i will put my car together as an 8v with my good block as it should only cost me a new headgasket and some time. it will also give me a chance to put in my garret turbo and ditch the mitsu. and there WILL be a hybrid omni in B.C. i'm just gathering my parts i already have my head and block, on monday i ordered a megasquirt kit with a 4 bar map sensor and a wideband o2 controller and sensor i'm in it too far to back off now:D


You'll have the hybrid Omni, I'll have the hybrid Minivan, :thumb:

[Whorse]

Does this mean I have to get a hybrid lebaron?

[turbovanman²]

Sure, then we'll have triplets, :eyebrows: :thumb:

[4cefedomni]

yes, yes you do

[4cefedomni]

maybe a hybrid vnt i know there are larger vnt turbos out there than the ones that come on our cars. Simon did you race last night i see your sig is at 13.6 it used to say 13.7.

[Whorse]

Right now I'm trying to see if I can fund my idea for a hybrid Twin-S60 VNT project. Doesn't look promising, but the idea is fun.

[boost geek]

Just buy 2 S60 turbos and sell me one :eyebrows:

[DodgeZ]

1/8th mile time?

[Whorse]

Just buy 2 S60 turbos and sell me one :eyebrows:

This makes me wonder. So many people seem to want Super60 turbos, is there an option for a group buy here?

[4cefedomni]

go holset they are oil cooled so you cut down on the lines you have to run on a hybrid engine no more coolant lines going to the turbo that can burst and spray antifreeze all over your windshield:thumb:

[Whorse]

Yeah but it's too cliche. Not going for the most succesful idea, but something neat to try that's different.

[4cefedomni]

thats why i'm going twin mitsu turbos because it not what other people are doing i realize that one large turbo will outperform two but i don't care i have tons of mitsu turbos and no holsets

[Whorse]

How about run 4 mitsus, one off of each exhaust port?

[turbovanman²]

maybe a hybrid vnt i know there are larger vnt turbos out there than the ones that come on our cars. Simon did you race last night i see your sig is at 13.6 it used to say 13.7.


Nope, van is broken still. Ran the 13.6's the night I broke, :(

[4cefedomni]

i got there late that night just before you broke sweet with the 13.6 thats what i'm running now but your in a fully loaded mini and i'm in a gutted omni :D your haulin an extra 1000lbs down the track

[turbovanman²]

i got there late that night just before you broke sweet with the 13.6 thats what i'm running now but your in a fully loaded mini and i'm in a gutted omni :D your haulin an extra 1000lbs down the track

And the aerodynamics of a tool shed, :eyebrows: :thumb:

I will have it fixed for the next one, middle of July. I hope to get into the 12's that night, :amen:

[DodgeZ]

lets ask one more time.

[4cefedomni]

if your asking about mine its 8.80@80.42 i don't know what Simons was. The whole timeslip from my run is posted on the first page of this thread

[turbovanman²]

lets ask one more time.


Be more specific or I'll have Barry B beat you up, :lol:

[11secGLH]

Hi I'm 12secomni on TD but when I signed up here I updated it to my real goal. I was running 12.70's @ 108MPH w/a 1.70 60ft time in my car in 1993 at Mission with an intercooled T1 setup and the only trick parts I had was a 5th injector controller from Miller-Woods. I sold the car to a kid in 1995 so I could concentrate my time (and money) on my Dart. Last year I heard he wanted to sell it so I went and bought it off him so I could have fun on street legal nights.

The car had all the same stuff in it and even had the same tires on it! The motor was toast (I put 300 12 sec passes and 80,000 street miles on it) and he burned out the 5th injector controller by hooking it up backwards. I bought a T2 long block from Chrysler (it was cheap), TU S60 Turbo w 3" S/V, 3" exhaust, Ebay Mitsumoto IC, +40's, converted it to T2 electronics, MP S60 computer (STILL waiting for my TU cal) and built a custom intake based off an 89 T1 intake. Ported +1mm G head. I posted on here when one of my pistons melted at 10 psi http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=33690#post33690 and I/we decided it was just a crappy piston. I bought some forged wiseco's from TU and put it all together again.

It was reeeal rich past 1/2 throttle and it ran great at half throttle but past that my LM1 read in the 9.8:1 range and ran crappy. I was going to wait for my cal before going to the track but gave up on that and decided to go do some 1/2 throttle passes. My best run that night I saw you was 13.71@104. I was running 50psi fuel pressure and didn't want to mess with it and run the risk of leaning it out. The next friday came (june 15 I think it was) and I decided to lower the fuel pressure and go for it. All I did was bring it down to 42psi and I took the cat off and put the straight pipe in. 18psi...It ran a 12.94@ 109.68 spinning thru 1st gear! (2.10ish 60 ft w/BFG drag radials) It would either bog and hook or I'd give it too much and it would roast the tires.

Back in 93 when I ran it and I found it much easier to launch because I had a factory clutch and I could slip it alot better. The DF Centerforce I have now won't slip at all. So, I've ordered some slicks and I think if I can get it back to the 1.70 range it will do a 12.40. Its still rich and I'm sure the TU cal (if I ever get it) will get me closer to my 11 sec goal.

This is just a fun car for now as I am building a SC with a 2.4L and a 6speed manual RWD trans from a Jeep Liberty. If I reach my goal of 500HP with the 2.4 it should do low 10's and it WILL be daily driven as is the GLH.Sorry for the long post. See you at the races. Chris.

[DodgeZ]

if your asking about mine its 8.80@80.42 i don't know what Simons was. The whole timeslip from my run is posted on the first page of this thread


Cool. I ran a 9.027 @ 77.180 1.992 60' in the Daytona last Friday. It has a mitsu turbo also. :D

[11secGLH]

http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic.php?u=17716kNIl5&i=895314

[turbovanman²]

Welcome Chris, I remember your story about the melted piston.

Hope to see you out there in the middle of July, hopefully my van will be fixed by then. :o

[DodgeZ]

Welcome Chris, I remember your story about the melted piston.

Hope to see you out there in the middle of July, hopefully my van will be fixed by then. :o
:lol: I didn't melt a piston....

[11secGLH]

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=33690#post33690

Sorry 4cefed, didnt mean to jack your post.

[4cefedomni]

no probs man good to see another local td'er on here i will also have my car back together for the next race i hope we have a real big turnout show those hondas how its done :D i'm bringing street tires again but putting on a garrett turbo instead of the mitsu i was running and i'm swapping out my bottom end for one thats in alot better shape.

[Will Martin]

Man you guys are coming out HARD, I like that! There's at least two more Omni's that could join you guys; mine and the Wimmer's. I'm not too sure if their's is running, the last time I spoke with Kim was 5 months ago. My car has developed yet ANOTHER problem that I really don't have the mental energy to mess with. I know it's something small and I can handle, just that after dealing with this thing for so long, I'm ready to move on to my SRT-4/TIII Rampage. Plus the fact that I've been waiting so long for my TU cal that by the time I get it I'll probably not have the car anymore. :( I know Simon "hurry up and get the car on the road!" lol Well, I've just about give up....:mad:

[turbovanman²]

^^^^^^^^Dude, quit whining, :p I told you already, I'll help you out. You just ran out of excuse's, :faint: :peace:

[Will Martin]

^^^^^^^^Dude, quit whining, :p I told you already, I'll help you out. You just ran out of excuse's, :faint: :peace:

It was running fine as it could on the TIV cal. It was fast enough for me to beat a new 300M, new Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura TL, and a couple of miscellaneous cars. Let it sit since the age of the dinosaur because I was waiting for my FWDP fuel rail. Finally got the rail and some +40% injectors, set fuel pressure to 25psi and started it, and now it's stumbling on acceleration and not building boost. Check compression #1-145, #2-150, #3-150, #4-150 add 3 drops of oil to #1 now it's 150. Check hydraulic lifters; they're pumped up. Check intake manifold, far left bolt a bit loose, tightened it. Put on new TB gasket, checked primary and secondary voltage of coil, 1.6 ohms-within specs. New Taylor wires, new NGK plugs, new cap. Try to start it and now it barely wants to start. Try to give it gas and it's chugging like it's running on 1/2 cylinder. I shut it off and chug down 2 shots of Jack Daniels and 4 Kokanee's and let blood pressure drop down so I'm able to communicate with humans again. That was yesterday. Right now I'm heading out to the garage (with Kokanee's in hand) at one last attempt to fix this beast before starting a thread "Race built GLH for sale in Surrey, I'll pay you to pick up or OBO." Rant mode off. :amen: Sorry to high jack your thread 4cefedomni. :focus:

[4cefedomni]

post whatever you like sorry to hear your experiencing more problems if theres anything i can help with don't hesitate to ask and i hope to see that beast at mission in july

[4cefedomni]

sometimes its the simple things check timing and firing order

[Will Martin]

The more I deal with it, the more I think it's the bottom end. Checked the codes. The ones that bothererd me are 27 and 54. I just changed out the distributor and HEP with one I had laying around because of code 54. Rechecked everything, including timing and she fired right up. Okay.....gave it a little gas, and her comes the dreaded shudder. Although mild, it's enough that the car will not build boost and my a/f meter is going red to green really fast. That's giving me a good hunch that it's the bottom end, something I don't want to deal with at the moment. I've spent too much time on this car and gotta get my main priority on the road, the Rampage. I'll ponder on things for a while and have another Kokanee and maybe it's time for the head to come off to see if it's indeed the bottom end. :yuck:

[turbovanman²]

The more I deal with it, the more I think it's the bottom end. Checked the codes. The ones that bothererd me are 27 and 54. I just changed out the distributor and HEP with one I had laying around because of code 54. Rechecked everything, including timing and she fired right up. Okay.....gave it a little gas, and her comes the dreaded shudder. Although mild, it's enough that the car will not build boost and my a/f meter is going red to green really fast. That's giving me a good hunch that it's the bottom end, something I don't want to deal with at the moment. I've spent too much time on this car and gotta get my main priority on the road, the Rampage. I'll ponder on things for a while and have another Kokanee and maybe it's time for the head to come off to see if it's indeed the bottom end. :yuck:

You think its a bearing issue? sh*t- :(

[Will Martin]

Naw, a bearing issue I can deal with. I'm thinking it's a top of a piston or something. A bearing issue wouldn't cause it to not build boost <well at least in my experience it hasn't>. But the compression is showing good. Anyone driving down hwy 1 tomorrow may want to look around for a wrecked and abandoned blue GLH! lol

[turbovanman²]

Naw, a bearing issue I can deal with. I'm thinking it's a top of a piston or something. A bearing issue wouldn't cause it to not build boost <well at least in my experience it hasn't>. But the compression is showing good. Anyone driving down hwy 1 tomorrow may want to look around for a wrecked and abandoned blue GLH! lol

Just leave it at my shop, I will give it a good home, Hwy 1 isn't a good place, :eyebrows:

[4cefedomni]

hows your cam timing you may have jumped a tooth i had a car do that and it wouldn't build more than 5psi after.

[4cefedomni]

it will turn out to be one of those stupid no brainer things that you assume is good or just overlook. by the sounds of it i would say it isn't the bottom end my omni comp tested at 90 90 125 75 the day after my 13.6 run thats a bad bottom end but it held 18psi without problems and it ran great just lots of smoke :thumb:

[Will Martin]

it will turn out to be one of those stupid no brainer things that you assume is good or just overlook. by the sounds of it i would say it isn't the bottom end my omni comp tested at 90 90 125 75 the day after my 13.6 run thats a bad bottom end but it held 18psi without problems and it ran great just lots of smoke :thumb:

Yeah, you're right. I just need to gather my wits and go at it. Thing is, I'm a stubborn SOB, but this car pushing my limits. I want so much for this car to RUN! I'll double check the cam timing and everything else once again. I'll have to do it tomorrow though, it's getting late and I have to work tomorrow at 4:30am.

[WOP'R]

BAH! who needs work? get your priorities in order!!:peace:

[Will Martin]

BAH! who needs work? get your priorities in order!!:peace:

Ha-ha, yeah, I wish! I make pretty good money, much too much to miss out on all that OT!

[WOP'R]

are you working for the US side or for the CDN side of the boarder now that you live here in good ol' Surrey?

[Will Martin]

are you working for the US side or for the CDN side of the boarder now that you live here in good ol' Surrey?

I work at YVR International on the 3rd floor, US side.

[4cefedomni]

do you know Ivan Peterson he is with canada customs and used to work at yvr.

[Will Martin]

Maybe....I did previously work at the United Express Terminals off Lake City Way and Lougheed for 6 months and I worked Canadian Customs Inspectors. I may be able to place a face before I can place a name.

[Will Martin]

Anyone going to Mission tomorrow (June 30th)?

I FINALLY got my car running. Oh man, talk about chasing gremlins...... Let's just put it this way; when I swapped out the +20%'s for the +40%'s, apparently I bent one of the injector harness pins so basically the car threw code 54, and it threw timing all out of wack. Took me FOREVER to figure out it was the injector harness. I tested the WHOLE fuel system and the WHOLE ignition system and went through 2 sets of brand new plugs because they got fouled so badly. I set my base timing to 12 degrees and started her up. "VROOOM..." hmmm, so far, so good. Let it warm up and set my fuel to 28psi. Grabbed my driver's license and hit the road. It was initially set at only 8psi (I have an electronic boost controller) so I bumped it up a bit. Holy smokes that thing flies! I set it to about 18 psi and took her out on the back sides of Surrey. Ran into a riced out Prelude that got completely destroyed, a newer Chrysler 300 that ate my tail lights big time. I was afraid to go any higher because I need to put on my Innovate wide band in. So I'm gonna attempt to take it to work tomorrow morn (@ 4:30am) and see if she still runs right. :thumb:

[WOP'R]

hey hey awsome, one more BC TM'r on the road:amen:

[Will Martin]

Yeah, now to concentrate on my RAMPAGE! :eyebrows:
http://hometown.aol.com/shelbyluvv/images/22_19.jpg
If I ever get my TIII motor in....:mad:

[turbovanman²]

Awesome Will, glad you found it. Your car reminds me of Wop'rs hunk oh junk, :lol:

Van still not done so no Mission for me. :( I just checked the schedule, theres no racing tomorrow, its July 7th then nothing until August so I have to get my van done for next Friday.

[WOP'R]

Awesome Will, glad you found it. Your car reminds me of Wop'rs hunk oh junk, :lol: .

Yep, it’s the TM communities’ bastard child. Hopefully it wont be for long right Simon:eyebrows:

[4cefedomni]

as Simon said next race is next week and i will be there i am going to do a port and polish job on my head this weekend before i assemble my motor and put her in i hope to have it on the road for a couple of days prior to the race to do some tuning and make sure its running right. anyone got any pointers for the port and polish job i'm a noob at this so i'm winging it, i plan on doing some de-shrouding around the valves but not sure if this would hurt the flow characteristics of the swirl heads.

[turbovanman²]

as Simon said next race is next week and i will be there i am going to do a port and polish job on my head this weekend before i assemble my motor and put her in i hope to have it on the road for a couple of days prior to the race to do some tuning and make sure its running right. anyone got any pointers for the port and polish job i'm a noob at this so i'm winging it, i plan on doing some de-shrouding around the valves but not sure if this would hurt the flow characteristics of the swirl heads.

All I did was open up the intake and exhaust to match the manifolds, the intake is already pretty close, the exhaust is soooooooo small. Then I used a 1/2 extension, ratchet end and used that to widen the ports back to the elbow, then just opened them up a bit, clean up, nice valve job and bingo, flow baby.

[Will Martin]

Awesome Will, glad you found it. Your car reminds me of Wop'rs hunk oh junk, :lol:

Van still not done so no Mission for me. :( I just checked the schedule, theres no racing tomorrow, its July 7th then nothing until August so I have to get my van done for next Friday.

I know it's a hunk of junk, I'm trying to fix all the problems the guy that put it together caused! :lol: :lol:

That's crap that the track isn't open more often! What the hell is going on around here? I'm used to California where you could race 3 times a WEEK! :thumb: Oh well, that'll give me time to put in the wideband today. :evil:

[turbovanman²]

I know it's a hunk of junk, I'm trying to fix all the problems the guy that put it together caused! :lol: :lol:

That's crap that the track isn't open more often! What the hell is going on around here? I'm used to California where you could race 3 times a WEEK! :thumb: Oh well, that'll give me time to put in the wideband today. :evil:

No, no, Rob's car is a hunk oh junk, trust me, yours has nothing on his, :(

Yeah, I know, and we wonder why street racing around here is big. Our politicians are idiots. If they really wanted to do something, Mission would be open a couple nights a week and use Boundary Bay Airport, :nod:

[Will Martin]

Someone's Omni is worse than mine? LOL Wow.....

Yeah, I'm blown away at how there's no racing now, ESPECIALLY since the weather's been crazy nice! Oh well, time for some street racing.

[WOP'R]

No, no, Rob's car is a hunk oh junk, trust me, yours has nothing on his, :(


I love you too Simon:fencing:
can i drop my gauges off at your shop today?

But he is right, this Daytona has a curse on it!

Will, your makn me more and more happy that i didnt buy that omni when it was in the BUY&SELL

[Will Martin]

I love you too Simon:fencing:
can i drop my gauges off at your shop today?

But he is right, this Daytona has a curse on it!

Will, your makn me more and more happy that i didnt buy that omni when it was in the BUY&SELL

Naw, the car was damn near perfect when I bought it from Kim. I'M the one that went and did two engine/turbo swaps on it! The car was well worth the money when I bought it and seems to be fine now. It's just due to my tinkering and stupidity and one companies reluctance to SEND ME MY DAMN CAL AFTER SEVERAL MONTHS WHEN ONE MONTH TURN-AROUND WAS PROMISED that's holding me back!

[4cefedomni]

as far as POSes go you guys have nothing on my omni its the king of crap.for all who doubt you will see at mission next week it needs bodywork badly.

[Whorse]

Haha, you have a wicked shite box with some nice rims. I love your car.

[Will Martin]

Update: car was acting a bit crazy the other day after filling it up with 94 octane. Checked the codes and it was the speed distance sensor. Changed out the sensor and took it out for a quick blast around the block; OMG the car freakin' pulls G's like the space shuttle! :thumb: Got my Innovate wideband hooked up. Now I just gotta button it up a bit tomorrow and do some WOT runs to get the fuel ratio right. On WOT runs, my EGT's are only at 1200 so I have some room to spare for upping the boost. Here are some pics.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/719000-719999/719818_165_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/719000-719999/719818_166_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/719000-719999/719818_167_full.jpg

[turbovanman²]

Let me know if your taking it out, I will come and watch. Alas, the van won't be done, no time, barely have time to surf here anymore and be a post whore, :(

[Will Martin]

Will do. Yeah, I noticed you've been MIA, but just wait 'til the kid comes, you won't have time for ANYTHING! lol Will you be in the shop tomorrow? If so, I may stop by.

[WOP'R]

Will, I see you've stopped at Princess auto:thumb:
lookn good!:eyebrows:

[turbovanman²]

Will do. Yeah, I noticed you've been MIA, but just wait 'til the kid comes, you won't have time for ANYTHING! lol Will you be in the shop tomorrow? If so, I may stop by.


Will I be at the shop tomorrow, durrrrrrrrrrr, lol! :p

[Will Martin]

Will I be at the shop tomorrow, durrrrrrrrrrr, lol! :p

I don't know man...you could be at some doctors appointment or something or out shopping for car seats or buying diapers or...you get the picture!
:bolt: :faint:

[turbovanman²]

I don't know man...you could be at some doctors appointment or something or out shopping for car seats or buying diapers or...you get the picture!
:bolt: :faint:

Hahahahhaa, I live here, I wish I could go- :bolt:

[Whorse]

What's the word. You gonna be there on Friday Will? You might find a good pit crew follows you.

[Will Martin]

What? You guys aren't racing? I don't want to do it alone....lol

[Whorse]

Well, Simon's Van isn't together, my clutch slips if I drop it at idle, so that's two down. I'll race your car for you if you're afraid of getting shown up by a 14 second skyline though.

[turbovanman²]

What? You guys aren't racing? I don't want to do it alone....lol


Yep, van is still down. Guess I will have to wait until August to run some 12's, :(

[Will Martin]

Well, Simon's Van isn't together, my clutch slips if I drop it at idle, so that's two down. I'll race your car for you if you're afraid of getting shown up by a 14 second skyline though.

Aw man, you're funny. Took me this long to reply because I was laughing so hard, couldn't type.
:lol:

Just won't feel the same without TD's all rollin' down the strip tearing up some Import ---.

[4cefedomni]

i'm gonna try like hell to get mine there i just came in from working on it, i have to go to work tomorrow then its back to the car right now the bottom end is in the car with all the accessories bolted to it so i still have to put the head on it and all the intercooler piping and my rad and intercooler and my battery box, prime it, time it and hope for the best. sounds like an impossible task for one more night but i'm gonna giver hell tomorrow er tonight.

[WOP'R]

you'll get her done, some of these guys here have been able to do a head gasket swap in less than an hour start-finish

[4cefedomni]

this is not a head gasket this was a complete tear down my head is starting from scratch all the turbo plumbing has to be done and the oil pan is still off its gonna be a late night.

[Will Martin]

Well it'd be nice to have some company on the track. I'm still buttoning up some things with my car as well as trying to get this boost controller right. Yesterday I took it out for a spin and only had it set for 10 psi, it was pretty fast, but I have to play with the gain to get it perfect.

[4cefedomni]

:( i didn't make it, i was up until 2:00 last night working on my car in the driveway got it put back together but with my straight pipe there was no way i was gonna try and start it at that time. so today i rush home after work fill it up with water and started it, it idles rough and stalls alot the vacuum is at 10 in/hg and i can't find a vacuum leak anywhere (i had the timing at 12*) and it stumbles and almost stalls when i hit the gas wtf. this motor should be way better than the old one and it ran great with 20 in/hg at idle. i am using all the same sensors as before i did do some port matching but that shouldn't realy affect the idle like this.

[turbovanman²]

Sounds like cam timing is off. Yes, you probably checked it but with the long thrash, you could have mis timed it. We've all done it.

[Will Martin]

<sigh>....Well unfortunately I didn't make it, AGAIN!!! I'm so angry because I even got off work early to finish her up. Got into it BIG with my girl which lasted for a couple of hours. Actually had time to finish but was unmotivated so my friend Kokanee and I hung out in the garage. I actually did finish, but it was about 5:30 and I didn't feel like driving out then. Anyway, I took it out for a little tune session and found that my A/F ratio was 9:1 WOT @ 18psi before I added the wideband, so that's not too bad. I posted pics up here;
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=59742&postcount=22

I just got my exhaust cut-out pipe in the mail today so that'll be going in as well! :eyebrows:

[WOP'R]

pretty cool Will got any pics of the engine bay and exterior?. One of these days ill be able to check out all your guys RUNNING cars.

question: any reason why you chose to hook your O2 sensor on the DP instead of the turbo?

[Will Martin]

pretty cool Will got any pics of the engine bay and exterior?. One of these days ill be able to check out all your guys RUNNING cars.

question: any reason why you chose to hook your O2 sensor on the DP instead of the turbo?


I don't have any "recent" pics of the engine bay. There are some differences in my last picture, but they're minor-much nicer BOV mounting pipe, vac block relocated, alky injection, etc.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/719000-719999/719818_150_full.jpg

alky injection;
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/719000-719999/719818_161_full.jpg

Only outside shots I have at the moment
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/719000-719999/719818_74_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/719000-719999/719818_84_full.jpg

I have two O2 sensors. The stock one is still there, that's the one the computer uses. The wideband is self contained, it's used by me to set the parameters of the fuel to get the ratio perfect under WOT. You cannot connect a wideband sensor close to high heat, for example a hot swing valve next to the turbo. Even with a heat sink, it's not a desired position to have it close to heat. I'm very impressed with it and to me it doesn't matter what brand, per se, just the fact that you get a wideband O2. I'm sold on it! ;)

[4cefedomni]

i thought it was the cam timing too but i checked it twice and its bang on arrows point right at the bearing cap seams. One thing i did do diferently was how tight the timing belt is i used a 27mm wrench on the tensioner and it made the belt real tight about a half inch of deflection. this car is driving me crazy! any other ideas? i keep thinking its a vacuum leak but i thought that would cause a high idle and this car idles low.

[4cefedomni]

on the plus side i got my new front bumper on so it looks slightly better

[Will Martin]

You don't have a timing belt tensioner? Man, I went without one for years and when I did finally invest in buying one, made things a lot easier. ;) You sure you didin't set your engine at TDC on the exhaust stroke? Man, it's always the little things at the last minute, right when you're just about there......

[4cefedomni]

it runs too well to be timed backwards it idles okay and if i play with the throttle stop screw i can get it to pick up but still low vacuum i would have to adjust it to about 1500 rpm to get 15 in/hg. where did you get this tensioner tool you speak of?

[Will Martin]

http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/8d/eb/94_1.JPG

Got it from Ebay here's a link for one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KD-Tools-3282-Chrysler-Timing-Belt-Tension-Tool_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35625QQihZ020QQite mZ300002084251QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V#ebayphotohos ting

[4cefedomni]

my engine still smokes i think this could be due to one of two reasons. first turbo its a mitsu (i was gonna go garret but upon inspection mine needs a rebuild) or it could be a cracked head when i had it apart i noticed tiny cracks between the valve seats but i thought that was pretty much the norm for these cars. any opinions?

[Will Martin]

How much smoke and from where? I've had 3 engines smoke lightly a bit after putting them together.

[turbovanman²]

my engine still smokes i think this could be due to one of two reasons. first turbo its a mitsu (i was gonna go garret but upon inspection mine needs a rebuild) or it could be a cracked head when i had it apart i noticed tiny cracks between the valve seats but i thought that was pretty much the norm for these cars. any opinions?

Cracks between valve seats are normal.

15 inch's of vacuum is a cam timing problem. Don't use the marks at the side of the cam gear, use the large hole at the top. It honestly sounds like your one or 2 teeth off.

[4cefedomni]

i did use the large hole but that indicates the same as the arrows and its getting only 10 inches of vacuum, this licks. i was pretty sure the small cracks were normal thats why i put it together with that head i do have a spare bathtub head off my old lebaron motor but opted to use the swirl. as for the smoking it smokes alot warming up then it dies down but if i give it gas as soon as i let off it smokes a ton fills my front yard. my neighbors love me

[Whorse]

Sounds like it could possibly be suspect piston rings. Maybe they're not getting enough pressure at idle and when cold, which could also explain why it smokes when you let off the gas.

[4cefedomni]

this is a pretty newly rebuilt bottom end i bought it as a motor to rebuild as my hybrid but upon cleaning the crap off the pistons i saw they were marked as 1mm oversized and there is still honing marks on the cylinder walls. before i put this engine in i completely disassembled it and cleaned and measured it the pistons have .002 inch clearance to the cylinders which is within new spec and the rings had lots of spring in them with good gaps. the bearings were also all oversized. so i don't think the problem lies there i think its the mitsu.

[turbovanman²]

I'll say it one more time then you can tell me to piss off, CAM TIMING, lol!

10 inches of vacuum is cam timing and/or ignition timing, plain and simple.

[4cefedomni]

Simon i will say it one last time the cam timing is perfect. sunday it was perfect but just to sure i advanced it one tooth it ran worse with only 5 inches of vacuum so i retarded it two teeth to so it would be one tooth retarded from where it was and it wouldn't start and both of these were visably incorrect so i put it back to where it was and it starts and runs like crap with 10 inches of vacuum. its not cam timing and the ignition timing is set at 12* advance with the coolant temp sensor unplugged.

[Will Martin]

What time are you usually home? I can come by if you'd like and help out, maybe not tomorrow as I work <gulp> 4:30am to 7:00pm. My problem was so out there that it just took a complete tear down of the fuel/ignition system for me to pinpoint it. Problem is, it was affecting timing so I thought that was the issue.

[WOP'R]

I'll say it one more time then you can tell me to piss off, CAM TIMING


Simon i will say it one last time the cam timing is perfect

OoOoOoOoOoO FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!:fencing: :bounce:

[Whorse]

What cam are you running? Different cams will affect your vacuum at idle, and the smoke could indeed be the turbo leaking oil in when there isn't much force there (like say idle and after throttle), and unrelated?

[4cefedomni]

we are just goofing around but i have checked the timing several times that is not the problem i know thats what it should be given the syptoms however its not. as soon as i saw the 10 inches of vacuum i thought the cam must be off. the theory makes sense but the car does not.

[4cefedomni]

tonight i'm tearing into my turbo problem so the car won't be able to be started for a couple of days but i'm usualy home after 4:30 on week days and i work alot of saturdays same sort of hours. usualy home on sunday though.

[4cefedomni]

i just went out and for the hell of it threw on a compression tester and started crankin 50 75 75 75 muther $%$^^&* *(&*& *()*(&%$$$%%$ now i'm not in a good mood.:mad: so i ordered a cylinder leakage tester it will be in tomorrow and i can find out whats leaking. i bet its the valves either bent or not seating properly i nicked them a couple of times doing the porting but they looked minor and i used valve lapping compound upon installation. but the rings should be fine and the headgasket is new so its got to be them i think that would also explain the bad vacuum at idle don't know how i managed to nick all of them. so the head is coming off again.

[turbovanman²]

^^^^crappy, it could be the rings didn't seat yet. Did you hone or just throw rings in? Leakdown tester, good idea.


Just doing my trans, yay! Boost this weekend, yahoo, :amen:

[4cefedomni]

i threw the old rings back in because they were in the engine and it was recently rebuilt and there was faint honing marks on the cylinder walls. i guess it could be them if it is do you think i could just let it idle for an hour or two to wear them in or should i pull it get new rings and rehone i'm trying to keep this as cheap as possible because this engine is just supposed to hold me over until i build my hybrid.

[turbovanman²]

i threw the old rings back in because they were in the engine and it was recently rebuilt and there was faint honing marks on the cylinder walls. i guess it could be them if it is do you think i could just let it idle for an hour or two to wear them in or should i pull it get new rings and rehone i'm trying to keep this as cheap as possible because this engine is just supposed to hold me over until i build my hybrid.

Well if it had good compression before and you put the rings BACK in the same bore, they should be just fine. A leakdown test will tell you what is what. If you can't get one, you can borrow mine.

[4cefedomni]

i ordered one from lordco it will be in tomorrow for $100. later on i put oil in cylinder 1 it was at 50psi after the oil it went to 145psi so it sounds like rings.

[turbovanman²]

Did you put the rings back in the same cylinders that they came from? I wonder if you stretched them too much.

I would try to get it running, if you did put the rings back in the same bore, and go beat on it to get them to seat.

[boost geek]

Hey, I bought a set of +40s on ebay, hope to have them for the next Mission street legals in august, I'll see you guys there!:thumb:

[4cefedomni]

next one is on august fourth i believe. but i will be a no show as my company decided to send me to powell river for a week leaving on the first. just got my car running yesterday and am now doing a break-in period on her. so i am not going to mopars at the ranch (i think the coq would be too hard on her). i think there are four races at mission in august so i am gonna try to make the other three hope to see ALL the local tders out there.

[Will Martin]

I talked to Ray Monk before he headed out there (Mopars at the Ranch) and I was going to go. But this is my first 4 day weekend and I gotta do the family thing. Can't exactly see driving the family up there for 4 hours in my GLH with no A/C. lol I can imagine my 2 year old daughter now "daddy, I'm hot!" "Yeah little one, just don't say that when you're 16!" :censored: :focus:

My car is up and running and now since I've been refunded my money because of a TU cal issue, I'm gonna get another one. I believe my car is still a freakin' monster waiting to be unleashed, as I was at Simons a day before he left to SDAC and to take the "Nestea Plunge," and driving home I bumped the fuel up and set the boost controller at 25 psi. Gave her a WOT run on Hwy 10 and it pulled really hard all the way up to 25 psi.

I'll do whatever it takes to get to the track next month as I've missed half the racing season already. :yuck: What are you guys doing this weekend in all the hot weather? We should have a mini Mopars at Surrey meet! lol

[WOP'R]

What are you guys doing this weekend in all the hot weather? We should have a mini Mopars at Surrey meet! lol

that would be pretty neat, i just got my daytona back and its running rich and i gotta wait for simon to get back, and of course the local J-yard doesnt have any MAP sensors left:mad:
man leave some for the rest of us td'rs!!!

also the thing died on me last night twice for no reason!


but id still be interested in seeing some of you all in person

[Will Martin]

Let's set it up then, I'm free Monday.

Why do you need Simon to come back? Start with the codes and work your way from there. Being able to diagnose problems, patience and lots of BEER is the key to working on these TD's. Works for me everytime! lol I can help you if you'd like.

[4cefedomni]

i work monday during the day but evening and night are all good

[Will Martin]

Let me know then. My number is (604)507-6813. I'll be working on my Rampage all day Monday, up until about 7pm.

[WOP'R]

Why do you need Simon to come back? Start with the codes and work your way from there. Being able to diagnose problems, patience and lots of BEER is the key to working on these TD's. Works for me everytime! lol I can help you if you'd like.

there are other issues with the car that ide like for him to take a look at:)
im pretty sure its the TPS thats causeing it to run rich, but ill see

[Will Martin]

there are other issues with the car that ide like for him to take a look at:)
im pretty sure its the TPS thats causeing it to run rich, but ill see

Well...okay. lol Are you getting any codes? My car was running like garbage and I just got mad and changed out a bunch of stuff, AIS, TPS, SDS and put on a new throttle body gasket. No more idling problems for me. :nod:

[WOP'R]

i just got back from port moody, so i had no time to work on it.
i checked the codes this morning and nothing comes up.

it takes a while to finally fire up once started there is a smell of gas.
2 nights ago it died on me twice and would not start unless i let it sit for 15 minutes atleast.
it has bogged on me a few times when pressing the gas
the plugs are black
and i know i should be feeling more power cause i can barly get the wheels to chirp in second.

My brothers shadow is sitting beside the daytona and im trying to convince him to swap the TB assy. buuuut i dont think its gonna happen.

any of you guys have a good TB assembly i could buy? and since im asking ill need a solid bobble strut too:nod:

[4cefedomni]

no more omni for a while i took it out and drove around friday no problems saturday morning i changed the oil put in mobil 1 and a new filter and drove it to tsawwassen when i got there and stopped at a traffic light my oil pressure gauge went to 0 so i pulled over didn't think too much of it because it used to do that and it was a faulty sender so i got my buddy who works at the midas in tsawwassen to drive me to lordco and get some fittings for my mechanical oil pressure gauge hooked it up and started the car it read 10psi at idle and 20 psi at about 3000rpm i thought that was enough to get home but as i went home the oil pressure dropped steadily until i pulled over and got a tow because it was only at about 10psi cruising. i got home pulled the pan and my bearings all of them are shot

[Will Martin]

i just got back from port moody, so i had no time to work on it.
i checked the codes this morning and nothing comes up.

it takes a while to finally fire up once started there is a smell of gas.
2 nights ago it died on me twice and would not start unless i let it sit for 15 minutes atleast.
it has bogged on me a few times when pressing the gas
the plugs are black
and i know i should be feeling more power cause i can barly get the wheels to chirp in second.

My brothers shadow is sitting beside the daytona and im trying to convince him to swap the TB assy. buuuut i dont think its gonna happen.

any of you guys have a good TB assembly i could buy? and since im asking ill need a solid bobble strut too:nod:

It sounds like your car may be in limp mode. I'd be willing to take a stab at it, two brains are better than one! :thumb: lol

[Will Martin]

no more omni for a while i took it out and drove around friday no problems saturday morning i changed the oil put in mobil 1 and a new filter and drove it to tsawwassen when i got there and stopped at a traffic light my oil pressure gauge went to 0 so i pulled over didn't think too much of it because it used to do that and it was a faulty sender so i got my buddy who works at the midas in tsawwassen to drive me to lordco and get some fittings for my mechanical oil pressure gauge hooked it up and started the car it read 10psi at idle and 20 psi at about 3000rpm i thought that was enough to get home but as i went home the oil pressure dropped steadily until i pulled over and got a tow because it was only at about 10psi cruising. i got home pulled the pan and my bearings all of them are shot

You gotta be KIDDING me! :mad: What freakin' luck! Man, if it wasn't for bad luck, you wouldn't have any luck at all. :confused: So are you gonna put new bearings in it, or will you need to have the crank turned? You think you'll be able to make it out to Mission next time? I 'may' be dynoing my GLH at MOPAC tomorrow. Apparently there's a guy there that's doubting TD's or something, have not gotten the whole story.

[4cefedomni]

those Mopac guys laughed at my old lebaron and that car was pushing 23psi with alcohol injection. as for the omni the crank is scored enough that i can feel it the problem is, is that there is no visable reason for this to happen at first i thought the bolt i jbwelded in the balance shaft hole had come out but its still holding so my next guess would be the pump itself. so now i think i'm gonna park it and focus on my hybrid buildup do it once and do it right no more rushing to make the next race day. its hybrid time muhahaha (bloody cars are expensive, in two weeks i have bought two topend gasket sets with bolts for $100 bucks a pop a new set of rod bearings $32 and 5 liters of mobil 1 which the lordco B@$tards charged me full list price for $80).

[4cefedomni]

i hope you guys don't laugh at me when i show up driving my gmc sonoma tomorrow

[WOP'R]

4cefedomni

shitty deal, but atleast you hybrid is nwo underway:evil:

[4cefedomni]

yep its time for the hybrid balls to the wall baby. i still plan on doing the twin turbo thing even though everyone seems to think its a bad idea. that and a four bar megasquirt kit with wideband o2 sensor should make this thing scream.

[Whorse]

I can come watch hopefully, but I lost 2nd gear on the weekend at MATR so I don't really feel like racing.

[4cefedomni]

mine will most likely be out for the rest of the season while i build up the new motor but i will try to make it to the races to watch everyone else.

[WOP'R]

man...do any TD's in BC run properly? or RUN for that matter!!!!!!/?


oh and by the way what the hell happened to mopar madness at kwantlen? are the dates changed?!

[Whorse]

Yeah it seems to be a bad summer for TDs. Ian blew up his tranny yesterday too.

[Will Martin]

Yeah it seems to be a bad summer for TDs. Ian blew up his tranny yesterday too.


No....you're kidding, right? :yuck: Well I must knock on wood and say my car is running just right. C'mon guys, don't leave me hangin'! I won't have no TD hommies to roll with! lol I'm in the process of adding another car to my fleet, but it has 16valves. :eyebrows:

[boost geek]

My car runs great, put 50 kms a day on it. I havent had it at the track because of injectors, but I'll have them soon. If I blow it up, it will have to run by saturday night. I'll even have my friends Excursion with a flat deck waiting at the track for me.:thumb:

[4cefedomni]

we need to get our acts together so Will what is this new car you hint of could it be an iroc r/t?

[Whorse]

I heard it was getting imported, which might imply that it was something not sold in Canada.

[4cefedomni]

hmmmm was the spirit r/t available here?

[Whorse]

The only T3 sold in canada as far as I know was the Iroc R/T. If you want to get technical, there were Maserati TC's available with the 16V Maserati head, although I believe they had to be imported through the dealership.

[WOP'R]

im thinkn its Bobs spirit R/T

i made some progress, i found the oil leak:( its coming from the tranny i lost over 1L already. anyone know when Simon is getting back??

Whorse: down at Ralphs j/yard there is a red lebaron with a body kit on it (just thought you would like to know)

ALSO, i lost my front license plate holder ever since i swapped the nose to the later style. Where would i go buy one? ive been to canadain tire and the j/yard and nothing! any of you guys have one??


P.S
This thread has really become like a mini forum for the lower mainlanders:nod:

[Whorse]

I think that I might have a front license plate holder from my Lebaron. Where's Ralph's? I wouldn't mind taking a look in case the Razzi kit i have lined up doesn't pan out.

[Whorse]

P.S
This thread has really become like a mini forum for the lower mainlanders:nod:

Yeah we should really start one up. I'll get on it

[Will Martin]

Ha-ha. Not Bob's although I could by it, he just may keep it. I'm looking at a red Spirit R/T in New York. It's built up pretty well and needs a little TLC. OR there's a nicer one in Florida that's going for a bit more but it needs nothing but my fat --- in it to drive it!:lol: :focus: :banplease:

I'd just like to place some faces to the names. It's quite pathetic that there are so many of us, especially in the Surrey/Langley/Delta area and we can't schedule one freakin' day to just hang out and have a Kokanee drinking contest (which I'd win, BTW). :thumb:

Boot geek; nice car, I'm sure it'll run some good low numbers! :eyebrows:

[WOP'R]

Whorse: Ralphs is...
10731 120 Street (SCOTTROAD)
Surrey
604-580-5477
they got a pretty big operation going on down there, but they love to charge an arm and a leg for things. There are a few lebarons down there and not one daytona:( the place used to be filled with it, now from what i heard crushing TD is the only way to get money aparantly for these guys:(

Will Martin: atleast i got the type of car right:) and im sure you and the rest of the old timers here are by now amune to beer. but i like a challange:) if i ever get off my --- ill make more grappa and bring it out. Now that would be an interesting contest!

[Whorse]

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6341

Alright had to be done. Sick of having to check events and racing to figure out what's going on around here.

[4cefedomni]

awwww you're killing "my" thread lol.

[Whorse]

you mean the opposite of hijacking?