Race GLHS

[contraption22]

Yes, it was nice to get compression back up, thanks to Mike Marra for coming through with a camshaft during his lunch break.

No problem Mike. Glad to help out in some way. Can't wait to see the car run on Saturday.

[spiro440]

I sure hope so. And if things go my way ,I will be in the states for at least one track day(weekend) and hopefully more. If the car doesn't give me a hard time I will choose one in your neck of the woods. I will keep you posted through your pm. Keep my fingers crossed!:amen:

[Pat]

Sweet! Looking forward to lining up with you....Gotta serve Pat first though.

I"ll be waiting....


Thanks, you and me both. The cam was a killer....and now with the boost creep resolved, the turbo spools really fast.

Excellent! Glad it's working now. When are you rolling out? I'll be leaving my place around 6:15. Want to caravan up?

[rx2mazda]

I"ll be waiting....



Excellent! Glad it's working now. When are you rolling out? I'll be leaving my place around 6:15. Want to caravan up?

I do! What time you gonna be crossing my part of I-95?

[Pat]

I do! What time you gonna be crossing my part of I-95?

Probably about 7:00. I'm shooting to be there when the gates open. Give me a call/text if you know of a good place to meet up. I"ll be in the Dakota with the ScAries hanging on a dolly, so just make sure you give me room where I won't have to back up.

[168glhs1986]

I would love to caravan up but leaving at 4:45 am. Meeting B at Denny's at 6:45, why don't you and Carroll join us?

[Pat]

I would love to caravan up but leaving at 4:45 am. Meeting B at Denny's at 6:45, why don't you and Carroll join us?

I'll just meet you guys at the track...no chance I'm leaving at 445!

[rx2mazda]

I would love to caravan up but leaving at 4:45 am. Meeting B at Denny's at 6:45, why don't you and Carroll join us?

meet me at the Royal farms right of the route40 exit off I-95 @ 6:00am. I think its the second exit after the tunnel. Cecil is 45 minutes from there. 443-850-6731

[168glhs1986]

Who needs sleep. Just finished loading up the car. I'll call you in the am Carroll and we'll meet at the Royal Farms. Pat I can do a drive by and honk the horn if you'd like??

[168glhs1986]

Car held up and ran great all day. About 8 runs total, launchin at 6k rpm. Started at 10 lbs of boost and finished up at 14 like planned. With Brian driving it ran back to back 12.99 with identical 1.78 60 ft time @ 104 mph. I had a best of 13.3x with a 60 ft of 1.87 @ 102 mph. We're on the safe side of the tune at 14 psi which I'm perfectlly ok with. Didn't have time to try to adjust cam, play with fuel or timing. I'll take a little break to learn more about tuning the Electromotive and hopeuflly have it tuned to 20 psi by spring time.

[cordes]

Car held up and ran great all day. About 8 runs total, launchin at 6k rpm. Started at 10 lbs of boost and finished up at 14 like planned. With Brian driving it ran back to back 12.99 with identical 1.78 60 ft time @ 104 mph. I had a best of 13.3x with a 60 ft of 1.87 @ 102 mph. We're on the safe side of the tune at 14 psi which I'm perfectlly ok with. Didn't have time to try to adjust cam, play with fuel or timing. I'll take a little break to learn more about tuning the Electromotive and hopeuflly have it tuned to 20 psi by spring time.

12s at 14PSI. Impressive.

[2.216VTurbo]

12's are damned impressive for a roadrace car:clap:

[168glhs1986]

12s at 14PSI. Impressive.

Thanks Brian, we were pretty happy with those timeslips!


12's are damned impressive for a roadrace car:clap:

Thanks Alan, I guess #168 is now a combo drag / roadrace car. It was hard to get used to how violent drag racers come out of the hole. Basically take your car to the limit of break and no break and see which one wins. Stock axles and stock cam held up great.

[omni_840]

Sweet numbers! Looking forward to see how it does at the track:nod:

[168glhs1986]

Ok this is for all the data freaks:

Peak boost was 196.93 kpa which equates to 13.866 psi.
Injector Duty Cycle peaked at 75%.


Driver: Brian Slowe

Staging Boost = 10.46 psi @ 5571 rpm

1st Gear Pull:

4356 rpm @ 12.6 psi to:
6209 rpm @ 12.79 psi

2nd Gear Pull:

4025 rpm @ 7.6 psi to:
6569 rpm @ 12.56 psi

3rd Gear Pull:

4239 rpm @ 9.08 psi to:
6241 rpm @ 13.86 psi

4th Gear Pull:

4438 psi @ 7.93 psi to:
5445 psi @ 13.86 psi**End of 1/4mile run**

R/T - .479
60ft - 1.778
330 - 5.331
1/8 mile - 8.266
mph - 84.79
1000 - 10.829
1/4 mile - 12.993
mph - 104.54

[cordes]

Ok, just look at the data log.

Max boost was 196.93 kpa which my math works out to be about 13.866 psi.
A/F ratios were conservativde accrossed the board, rarely getting into the 12's.
Injector Duty Cycle peaked at 75%.
I'll post the timeslip and BIN file later.

Somewhere on here there is a thread about lowest boost vs. 1/4 time. You should dig that up and post in it. You'll be in the top 5 for sure.

[ScottD]

Good runs Mike. Saw you there but you were busy with the car. If you had the overalls on I bet you would have clicked off a 12.9 too :-)

[168glhs1986]

Data from 12.993 run on post #265

[Shadow]

Thanks, you and me both. The cam was a killer....and now with the boost creep resolved, the turbo spools really fast.

So what was wrong with the cam? Wiped out lobes? Was this a stock roller?

[rx2mazda]

Thanks. Had a MAJOR discovery this morning. Brian noticed the crank compression was 110, 110, 110 and 78. Gulp, could spell major disaster. Then did a leakdown test.....8%, 7%, 8% and 5%. Hmmmm, now what does this mean.....turns out the cam was a bad grind. Replaced it with a stock turbo roller cam and wahla......150 compression across the board. Wow, that was a close call there. Nice find Brian!



So what was wrong with the cam? Wiped out lobes? Was this a stock roller?

:thumb:

[Shadow]

:thumb:

Even after you quoted that I had to read it over twice till I got it! lol

[168glhs1986]

So what was wrong with the cam? Wiped out lobes? Was this a stock roller?

Actually we're not sure what happened at this point. It's being sent back as we speak so he can check it out. It was replaced with a stock roller from an 88 tbi I believe.

[168glhs1986]

I think with my current Fuel Curve (Time for One Gama (TOG) setup, my injectors will be at 85% percent around 17.2 psi.

So my goal will be to flatten my fuel curve so I can reach 85% duty cycle around 22 psi.

If I keep max rpm's at 6300 this will keep my pulse width around 16 which I think is about max for 52# injectors.

All of this is new to me so first I'll bump the boost up to 17 to see if indeed my injectors are maxed. Then I'll try playing around with the fuel curve to see if I can turn up the boost even more while keeping a close eye on AFR's.

Car numbers on sides of car removed.

[ucku]

that intake looks good on that car!!!!

[168glhs1986]

that intake looks good on that car!!!!

Thanks, got it from a guy in Ohio, you might have heard of him....I have received a lot of compliments on that intake!

[168glhs1986]

Just purchased a set of Seiman injectors 3145's (72's). They are flow matched to 1% and low impedence, both of which I wanted. I looked at the injectory dynamics but they were high impedence and almost double the price.

[30 PSI SHADOW]

i cant possibly imagine that you will be close to maxing out the 52s#. untill you get up around 27psi on an 8 valve. isnt those good for just over 400hp?

[cordes]

i cant possibly imagine that you will be close to maxing out the 52s#. untill you get up around 27psi on an 8 valve. isnt those good for just over 400hp?

When you run the numbers the injector DC gets pretty crazy at around 22PSI on paper. Many people have pushed them much, much farther than that of course. I prefer to play it safer rather than being sorry.

[168glhs1986]

i cant possibly imagine that you will be close to maxing out the 52s#. untill you get up around 27psi on an 8 valve. isnt those good for just over 400hp?

http://www.rceng.com/technical.aspx

I input these numbers at the bottom under the fuel injector worksheet. 360, 4, 0.65, .85, 43.5 and come up with 72 lb injectors. I've tried other charts that include charting max rpm and come up with just about the same thing. The key number in the equation is BFSC and I hear with turbo cars the number is between .60 and .65. If you change that value to .50 then the 52 lb injectors seem to be ok but that's for NA cars.

Here is the other chart I used.

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/calcinjpulse.html

[cordes]

http://www.rceng.com/technical.aspx

I input these numbers at the bottom under the fuel injector worksheet. 360, 4, 0.65, .85, 43.5 and come up with 72 lb injectors. I've tried other charts that include charting max rpm and come up with just about the same thing. The key number in the equation is BFSC and I hear with turbo cars the number is between .60 and .65. If you change that value to .50 then the 52 lb injectors seem to be ok but that's for NA cars.

Here is the other chart I used.

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/calcinjpulse.html

FWIW I usually use .48 for my BSFC numbers when working with higher HP 8v motors in our community. I've attempted to isolate "the right" bsfc number for certain cars of which I know their approx. HP from weight an MPH. If I use that number I have found that most calculations I use work out quite well. Frank's turbo calculator produces great results there too.

[168glhs1986]

FWIW I usually use .48 for my BSFC numbers when working with higher HP 8v motors in our community. I've attempted to isolate "the right" bsfc number for certain cars of which I know their approx. HP from weight an MPH. If I use that number I have found that most calculations I use work out quite well. Frank's turbo calculator produces great results there too.

That is good to know, thanks Brian. We'll play with the VE table with the +40's past 17 psi before we just swap out to the new injectors.

I know it depends on your specific setup, but what are some of you other guys using for BSFC?

[ucku]

Thanks, got it from a guyhttp://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m248/ucku/0813112226.jpg in Ohio, you might have heard of him....I have received a lot of compliments on that intake! ya i know the guy heres a pic of my newest intake.

[168glhs1986]

Street tuning went well today. Got the lean spot out at 5k so now my afr ratios are pretty steady around 11.6 ish. I do have fat spot around 4k that I'll get to later. Turned up the boost today to just over 15. Once I get more comfortable with making changes to the software, I'll turn on the EBC Brian hooked up and I'll give that a go with 1 psi increments till I'm happy.

Changed the front pads to the Hawk pads as the Porterfield R4's were way too dusty. My old set of R4's weren't like that so I just kept them on for street driving as well.

What's a good setting for afpr? I know it all depends on your setup but just thought I'd ask. I turned it up to 48psi or so and it seemed to help.

[contraption22]

Generally I would start at stock 55psi fuel pressure and work from there. Since you are able to tune your fuel with the engine management, and you are running relatively low boost, I would keep the base fuel pressure higher for better spray.

[Reeves]

Generally I would start at stock 55psi fuel pressure and work from there. Since you are able to tune your fuel with the engine management, and you are running relatively low boost, I would keep the base fuel pressure higher for better spray.

I'm just the opposite.... I like to try to get pressure in the 40 to 45 psi range to keep the pump in the happy range when you are running 25psi+ boost pressure and a 1:1 AFPR.

[168glhs1986]

Generally I would start at stock 55psi fuel pressure and work from there. Since you are able to tune your fuel with the engine management, and you are running relatively low boost, I would keep the base fuel pressure higher for better spray.

Running 15 psi right now....but will soon be up to 22 when I feel comfortable turning on the ebc.


I'm just the opposite.... I like to try to get pressure in the 40 to 45 psi range to keep the pump in the happy range when you are running 25psi+ boost pressure and a 1:1 AFPR.

It sounds like I'm right in between what you and Mike are saying. I'm at 50 right now. I only plan to take it up to 22 psi or so. Probably anymore than that and the Super60 turbo is out of it's range of effectiveness.

Thanks for your responses guys! Two of the fastest Omni's on the planet.

[168glhs1986]

If I lose 30 pounds hopw much hp will I gain? If I gain 10 lbs how much p will I lose? This may give me the motivation I need.

[cordes]

Isn't there some place where you enter that info for your aftermarket EFI? I'm with Reeves on running the lower FP to give the pump some more head room.

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Isn't there some place where you enter that info for your aftermarket EFI? I'm with Reeves on running the lower FP to give the pump some more head room.

ETA: I thought about it for a second and they probably just want the flow rate of the injectors are the pressure you're running.

[168glhs1986]

Yes, flow rate input. I think I have a viper pump from the mid 90's. I should really take it out and look. As for psi, my engine with the super60 will never see more than 22psi anyway so I'm thinking I'll be fine.

[contraption22]

I agree with Reeves about running low PSI when running high boost numbers. I do that myself running 83lb injectors and running 40psi of base fuel pressure. I was assuming Mike was going to be sticking with relatively low boost.

Back in the day before people were able to electronically tune their cars, people were running 25psi or less fuel pressure so they could run +40 injectors on stock cals. It would run ok, but it never seemed to idle very clean. I attributed it to injectors that didn't spray correctly at such low fuel pressures.

[Rampage16V]

Great Build. Car is gorgeous!!!

[168glhs1986]

Great Build. Car is gorgeous!!!

Thank you.

Update: Just purchased a new cam, hopefully it will make more hp throughout the powerband and especially in the mid rpm range.

[bakes]

Thank you.

Update: Just purchased a new cam, hopefully it will make more hp throughout the powerband and especially in the mid rpm range.
What cam have you chosen?

[168glhs1986]

What cam have you chosen?

TU - R2 billet

[168glhs1986]

Thinking about a tow vehicle for #168. Let's see if Santa really does exist.

[135sohc]

If Santa is buying I'll take one of these (http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne/detail/) in Jet Green metallic :D

[168glhs1986]

If Santa is buying I'll take one of these (http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne/detail/) in Jet Green metallic :D

I checked with Santa and he said you've been naughty so no Porsche this year. There's always next year.

[black86glhs]

TU - R2 billet

I've got one too but haven't run it yet. It will be on the new engine that is currently at the shop. When are you putting it on?

[Shadow]

TU - R2 billet

What A/M cam did you have before? (one that was bad)

I guess what I'm wondering is, was this a TU R2 cam that got replaced (warranty) and is there any easy way of knowing IF the grind is bad?

Some of us can and do measure everything before install to verify no problems, but I can only imagine that most don't. (wouldn't know where to start)

Maybe I missed it earlier, but what exactly lead you to the cam being the problem? Lack of power that you thought Should be there?

[Reeves]

If Santa is buying I'll take one of these (http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne/detail/) in Jet Green metallic :D

That has they ghey. I'll take this: http://www.allpar.com/cars/viper/2012-dodge-viper.html


I checked with Santa and he said you've been naughty so no Porsche this year. There's always next year.

Since the shortage of coal this year, all bad boys and girls will be recieving a Nickelback CD.


What A/M cam did you have before? (one that was bad)

I guess what I'm wondering is, was this a TU R2 cam that got replaced (warranty) and is there any easy way of knowing IF the grind is bad?

Some of us can and do measure everything before install to verify no problems, but I can only imagine that most don't. (wouldn't know where to start)

Maybe I missed it earlier, but what exactly lead you to the cam being the problem? Lack of power that you thought Should be there?

I bought a used FM475 cam years ago (97 or 98?) that was bad. 0 compression in the #1 cylinder. Called FM and they refunded me my cost no questions asked!

[168glhs1986]

Bad cam was custom grind but not through TU. I'm running 88 turbo roller now so it should be a decent improvement all the way through to redline, but especially mid range

[Shadow]

I bought a used FM475 cam years ago (97 or 98?) that was bad. 0 compression in the #1 cylinder. Called FM and they refunded me my cost no questions asked!

Zero compression! Could you see where the lobe was out of whack once you knew it was the problem? (was it obvious to look at?)


Bad cam was custom grind but not through TU. I'm running 88 turbo roller now so it should be a decent improvement all the way through to redline, but especially mid range

Good to know, I guess it pays to go to a very reputable cam grinder!

[8valves]

Mike, I just read through this whole thread as I finally found the time. I'm happy to see a very nicely executed and looking car all in the same package!

Some things I thought I would mention... when everyone is doing these fuel calculations for injectors, are you remembering that Chrysler is strange and flow rates their injectors at 55 psi instead of 42.5 psi like the rest of the world? That will highly alter your ultimate DC range calculations.

Also, be sure to monitor your actual fuel pressure under boost. When you have the ability to alter your fuel curve on demand, people often start to tune out mechanical issues... say an old pump that is losing volume/pressure at upper rpm or boost levels. You end up with a strange looking fuel demand in the upper RPM, but a powerband that doesn't seem to say the same thing.

Just some thoughts! Love the build, car, wheels, all of it!

Take care!

[168glhs1986]

Mike, I just read through this whole thread as I finally found the time. I'm happy to see a very nicely executed and looking car all in the same package!

Some things I thought I would mention... when everyone is doing these fuel calculations for injectors, are you remembering that Chrysler is strange and flow rates their injectors at 55 psi instead of 42.5 psi like the rest of the world? That will highly alter your ultimate DC range calculations.

Also, be sure to monitor your actual fuel pressure under boost. When you have the ability to alter your fuel curve on demand, people often start to tune out mechanical issues... say an old pump that is losing volume/pressure at upper rpm or boost levels. You end up with a strange looking fuel demand in the upper RPM, but a powerband that doesn't seem to say the same thing.

Just some thoughts! Love the build, car, wheels, all of it!

Take care!

Thanks Aaron. I wasn't aware of the different flow rates, I'll look into that to see what it means, lol.

Do you have any suggestions in best way to monitor fuel pressure under boost? Can I rig something up to have my EMS system monitor that or is there another method?

Thanks for the compliments. I started with your block as the foundation and built around it. After I get a few more miles on it, I'll slap a bigger turbo on there and put that block to the test.

Mike

[cordes]

Thanks Aaron. I wasn't aware of the different flow rates, I'll look into that to see what it means, lol.

Do you have any suggestions in best way to monitor fuel pressure under boost? Can I rig something up to have my EMS system monitor that or is there another method?

Thanks for the compliments. I started with your block as the foundation and built around it. After I get a few more miles on it, I'll slap a bigger turbo on there and put that block to the test.

Mike

Chrysler rated their injectors at 55PSI rather than the 42.5 or so that other companies used. Thus, other injectors which you buy would be rated at the lower pressure and flow much more at our 55PSI static setting. It's something you need to take into account.

[8valves]

Thanks Aaron. I wasn't aware of the different flow rates, I'll look into that to see what it means, lol.

Do you have any suggestions in best way to monitor fuel pressure under boost? Can I rig something up to have my EMS system monitor that or is there another method?

Thanks for the compliments. I started with your block as the foundation and built around it. After I get a few more miles on it, I'll slap a bigger turbo on there and put that block to the test.

Mike

Cordes nailed it. The 52 pph +40's are not really 52lb/hr injectors per the normal rating system, so in turn your calculated IDC would be quite wrong.

Yes, you need an available 0-5V input on the EMS to be wired to a pressure sensor tapped into your fuel line pre regulator. The sensor will either come with a scaling of PSI vs voltage, or you will have to make one by setting the pump to different pressures and monitoring with a needle gauge to calculate the table.

Thats ideal. If not, ghetto version is a long fuel line T to a pressure gauge under your wiper blade. But ghetto style doesn't seem to suit this build. :)

Chrysler rated their injectors at 55PSI rather than the 42.5 or so that other companies used. Thus, other injectors which you buy would be rated at the lower pressure and flow much more at our 55PSI static setting. It's something you need to take into account.

Shazam!

[Juggy]

the only way to tell is to have your +40s flowed.

there area some freak 40s out there that will flow almost 550cc at 45psi

so they turn out to be +50s at the 55psi chryco rating.



Mike, your running a standalone system correct? just keep the fuel pressure at the proper pressure you need, then make adjustments through the cal...shouldnt really be a need to raise or lower the fuel pressure when you can do it yourself through the computer by compensating with the fuel tables.

unless you know you are running a high volume/high flow pump thats rated for high pressure, its best to run your base fuel pressure as low as possible. Id suggest a bosch 044 fuel pump, as they are much more linear and are rated at a much higher pressure then say a 255 walbro......im pretty sure the viper had a high pressure pump tho?? might even be the 044 for all i know lol

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when i say linear, i mean that the flow does not drop off as hard after it reaches its maximum flow at the pumps rated psi......

[wallace]

You can log fuel pressure with one of the electric Autometer fuel pressure gauges if your standalone will take a 0-5v input. You have to add two wires to the back of the gauge. I use a LM1 with auxbox and log fuel presssure. You can use the same sensor and gauge and also log backpressure at the turbine, just need to run a couple feet of 1/8" copper tube to keep the heat out of the sensor. HTH.

[168glhs1986]

The original paint held up great after all these years. I say my good byes and thank you's for it's 26 yrs of service this weekend.

[168glhs1986]

Thanks to Mark and Brian for helping me get it to the paint shop and cleaned up. Last picture of the car with original paint.

[Pat]

What are you having done?

[Keito]

Nice, you won't be disappointed.
How long did Tom tell you it will be?
Pick it up on the way to SDAC?(JK)

[168glhs1986]

What are you having done?

Body and Paint....black of course:)


Nice, you won't be disappointed.
How long did Tom tell you it will be?
Pick it up on the way to SDAC?(JK)

Thanks. That's good to hear. Probably be ready end of April ish. I'd like to pickup and take back to Brian for a few things before SDAC.

[spiro440]

It's going to be one G reat L ooking H atch....S weet. And she will have the moves to boot!

[168glhs1986]

It's going to be one G reat L ooking H atch....S weet. And she will have the moves to boot!

Thanks Spiro, nice pun pull.

[168glhs1986]

Because I bought Steve's GT3076R I decided it would be a good idea for some more safety improvements.

Plans are for a full cage out of mild steel right after it gets out of paint / body shop.

http://www.rollcageguy.com/

I'm cutting it close for SDAC completion but if all goes to plan we'll be there.

Edit - the GT30 will not be attending SDAC, the Super60 will. Hopefully we'll have the cam installed thou.

[Reaper1]

Why not a chromoly cage? They are lighter and stronger than mild steel, plus the properties of chromoly I think are a bit better for crashes as far as yielding and such are concerned.

[cordes]

Why not a chromoly cage? They are lighter and stronger than mild steel, plus the properties of chromoly I think are a bit better for crashes as far as yielding and such are concerned.

I've heard that it's best to stress relieve(?) the crmo welds by heating them in a oven or some such after being put together and that failure to do so can lead to cracked joints when stressed? Any truth to that?

[Pat]

Why not a chromoly cage? They are lighter and stronger than mild steel, plus the properties of chromoly I think are a bit better for crashes as far as yielding and such are concerned.

I thought (and I could be wrong here) that SCCA and NASA both mandated mild steel, which would be important for a road racer like Mike.

[sy2206]

I'm not sure about NASA, but SCCA does allow it. Quoted from their 2012 rule book, "The roll bar hoop and all braces must be of seamless DOM mild steel tubing (SAE 1010, 1020, 1025) or equivalent, or alloy steel tubing (SAE 4130)." 1020 being the mild steel, and 4130 is the chrome moly. Because of the improved properties/added strength of the CM, you can run a little thinner wall. Mike and I ran some numbers last night. These figures do vary slightly depending on where you get them, but these will get us in the ballpark. 1.5" diameter .120" wall MS weighs 1.93lbs per foot. 1.5" diameter .095" wall CM weighs 1.37lbs per foot. So you're looking at roughly a 41% increase in weight going with MS over CM. Again, these numbers seem to vary slightly, when we were talking last night, we figured a 35% difference. We also figured a 6-point roll bar would use roughly 38' of tubing, and a 6-point cage would use about 54'. So here's some weights.

CM Roll bar, 52lbs
MS Roll bar, 73lbs

CM Roll cage, 74lbs
MS Roll cage, 104lbs

There are some other advantage to the CM over MS. However, the biggest disadvantage, cost. The CM is a fair amount more then MS. The roll cage guy said 80% of the cars he does use MS.

[168glhs1986]

I couldn't justify the $1g difference in cage price for only a 30lb weight savings. Not a bit worried about the steel cage being "stiff" enough. I think it will do just fine.

[contraption22]

I couldn't justify the $1g difference in cage price for only a 30lb weight savings. Not a bit worried about the steel cage being "stiff" enough. I think it will do just fine.

I ended up making the same decision when I had my cage done.

[168glhs1986]

Newly refinished Centurians have arrived.

[Reaper1]

See, to me that's a lot of weight, especially since most of it is being added above the CG. Maybe I'm just overthinking it. BTW, I agree that the MS will certainly do the job! I never questioned that. :thumb:

Cost is a major factor, however, and I can certainly see why the choice of MS would be more popular considering the cost increase vs. the weight savings. Then again, how much do we spend to try and find 30# of weight to take out of the car sometimes? That's the way I look at it.

[168glhs1986]

See, to me that's a lot of weight, especially since most of it is being added above the CG. Maybe I'm just overthinking it. BTW, I agree that the MS will certainly do the job! I never questioned that. :thumb:

Cost is a major factor, however, and I can certainly see why the choice of MS would be more popular considering the cost increase vs. the weight savings. Then again, how much do we spend to try and find 30# of weight to take out of the car sometimes? That's the way I look at it.

If I was a hardcore 1/4 mile racer that's looking to shave 1/10's then I could see going Chrome Molly.

[Reaper1]

I'm not a 1/4 miler either. I'm looking at it from a standpoint of making the suspension work harder and saving overall weight. I know 30#'s isn't a whole bunch, and that some of our intercoolers weigh more than that, hence my comment on overthinking it! LOL :thumb:

[contraption22]

With these cars, unlike most cars, $1000 buys alot of hp. Especially in relation to weight. The money can easily be better spent elsewhere. Mike's already got lightweight wheels, which will make more of a difference than 30lbs of cage will.

[cordes]

With these cars, unlike most cars, $1000 buys alot of hp. Especially in relation to weight. The money can easily be better spent elsewhere. Mike's already got lightweight wheels, which will make more of a difference than 30lbs of cage will.

It goes pretty far in lightening things up with tubular suspension pieces these days too.

[168glhs1986]

The news on Chrome Molly isn't all good anyway. Yes we know it saves weight, yes we know its stronger BUT its also much more brittle than mild steel and is suseptable to stress cracks. If you do a lot of road racing you may even be replacing your cage after 4 yrs of track time. Then at best your replacing sections of your xage and at worst your building another 3500 cage. Have fun doing that.

[Reaper1]

With these cars, unlike most cars, $1000 buys alot of hp. Especially in relation to weight. The money can easily be better spent elsewhere. Mike's already got lightweight wheels, which will make more of a difference than 30lbs of cage will.


It goes pretty far in lightening things up with tubular suspension pieces these days too.


The news on Chrome Molly isn't all good anyway. Yes we know it saves weight, yes we know its stronger BUT its also much more brittle than mild steel and is suseptable to stress cracks. If you do a lot of road racing you may even be replacing your cage after 4 yrs of track time. Then at best your replacing sections of your xage and at worst your building another 3500 cage. Have fun doing that.

You all have good and valid points! :thumb: :)

[cordes]

The news on Chrome Molly isn't all good anyway. Yes we know it saves weight, yes we know its stronger BUT its also much more brittle than mild steel and is suseptable to stress cracks. If you do a lot of road racing you may even be replacing your cage after 4 yrs of track time. Then at best your replacing sections of your xage and at worst your building another 3500 cage. Have fun doing that.

Glad to see that my info was correct.

[zin]

Ironically, a cage that is BRAZED together can be better than one that is welded, due to the brazing material allowing for some flex, as well as the lower heat needed not causing embrittlement of the material... I seem to recall some Off-Road trucks going that way due to the shock loads...

I can imagine it befuddling a few tech guys not familiar with the technique though! Probably think it was a "redneck" move...

Mike

[omni_840]

I can imagine it befuddling a few tech guys not familiar with the technique though! Probably think it was a "redneck" move...

Mike

Now if they were using metal coat hangers.....

[Reeves]

Now if they were using metal coat hangers.....

LMAO!!! Brings back some memories of working at a service station in high school......

The added cost you guys speak of on the CM cage vs. Mild Steel....this is probably a lot of the added labor cost of the TIG welding vs. MIG welding correct? I don't remember the CM tubing costing a whole heck of a lot more than the MS tubing.....yes, more expensive...but not THAT much more.

[johnl]

The lightest gauge CM bicycle frames are brazed.

[sy2206]

The added cost you guys speak of on the CM cage vs. Mild Steel....this is probably a lot of the added labor cost of the TIG welding vs. MIG welding correct? I don't remember the CM tubing costing a whole heck of a lot more than the MS tubing.....yes, more expensive...but not THAT much more.

No, he tig welds all his cages, whether it's CM or MS.

[T-Bohn]

The lightest gauge CM bicycle frames are brazed.

They use brass and silver but also use a lug to hold the tubes in place as well. Often will drill and pin the tubes tack them and align the frame. Then braze to complete and realign.

[Reaper1]

You mean something like this?

http://www.autospeed.com/A_111161/hDg34uLtp_1/cms/article.html

Coincidentally I've been stuck reading a LOT of articles on this site all day! They have a LOT of good info!

[zin]

Looks like I'll be spending some time there as well!

Mike

[168glhs1986]

So I get an update today and to my suprise I open this:hail::hail::hail:

So I've decided it's too nice to race and I'm retiring #168 from the race track and making it a show only car :drum: Just kidding Mark!

[86seeS]

Looking great!

[Keito]

That's the problem, when Tom paints it, it's going to look better then the factory paint.

[Pat]

Looks great!

[168glhs1986]

Looking great!

Thanks Wes


Looks great!

Thanks Pat


That's the problem, when Tom paints it, it's going to look better then the factory paint.

I'll be applying clear bra to the important areas such as hood, bumpers, side mirrors, rear fender flares and roll cage

I was considering having the entire car wrapped in matte black when I was finished, that way the paint would be preserved for sure getting zero sun exposure, no contaminants AND resistant to small rock / stone chips.

[86seeS]

Im going to clear bra my dc charger this year I can getit from work at a decent price

[168glhs1986]

Update: Car will be finished sooner than expected so due to roll cage guy timing.....I'm forgoing the roll cage install for now. It's possible one will be installed next winter when the GT30 goes in. Hope to be picking up car in Mid-March.

[168glhs1986]

Ground effects

[Reaper1]

Darn it. I wanted to see the cage build on this car! :(

[168glhs1986]

Darn it. I wanted to see the cage build on this car! :(

I know right...You'll see it, just a bit later than first thought and you be gladto know CM is now back on the drawing board!

[168glhs1986]

And the main reason why I had body/paint done in the first place...

[168glhs1986]

This is all I got for ya to date

[BadAssPerformance]

Lookin good! :thumb:

[supercrackerbox]

Newly refinished Centurians have arrived.

And . . . ?

[omni_840]

Very nice! SO are the GFX the same color as the car?

[spiro440]

This is like a peep show! very teasing lol:-)

[168glhs1986]

And . . . ?

Each wheel had small blemishes. The wheel company said it was acceptable due to some porosity in each wheel. I begged to differ and have sent them back to be "looked" at.

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Very nice! SO are the GFX the same color as the car?

They are duller, maybe a matte finish. The same paint that will be on the side mirrors and I belive the window trim.


This is like a peep show! very teasing lol:-)

Some good L body car porn!

[jaysshelby]

Pics do not do it justice Mike, I was there at my dads yesterday, and it looks awesome. Wait till you see it after its wet sanded and buffed out. You will be in awe.

[168glhs1986]

Wow - coming from you Jason that's high praise - I know your stds are high! And this is the reason why we drove to Ohio asap when Tom said he was ready for her! See you guys next month at some point. Decals are going out today via UPS ground.

[contraption22]

Wow. Looks like a top-notch job they are doing. I can't wait to see the car done. Just don't park it too close to mine. It'll make mine look even worse. lol

[Keito]

Anyone who thought they might have a chance of winning the 4 door L body class at the SDAC car show
just got a reality check.
I get to see it this weekend.

[Reeves]

Anyone who thought they might have a chance of winning the 4 door L body class at the SDAC car show
just got a reality check.
I get to see it this weekend.

I think you mean the 86 GLHS class :)

[Keito]

I guess it all depends if he gets the decals on.:D

[168glhs1986]

Wow. Looks like a top-notch job they are doing. I can't wait to see the car done. Just don't park it too close to mine. It'll make mine look even worse. lol

Thanks Mike....but one of our cars will do 10's in the 1/4 mile.


Anyone who thought they might have a chance of winning the 4 door L body class at the SDAC car show
just got a reality check.
I get to see it this weekend.

Thank Keith, those expectations are awefully high thou, a lot of awesome GLHS's out there!


I guess it all depends if he gets the decals on.:D

Yes, I was forced to put them back on, lol....I do like the Carroll Shelby car #001 look thou. Stealthy all black look with no decals.




Thanks to Wallace in Richmond VA for the lead, like my new street wheels? The uber rare Buddy Club P1's in our lug pattern.

[roachjuice]

Car looks great so far!!!

[phoebegoesvroom]

I'm so envious of your car. The paint looks fantastic, and I love those wheels you have for street use. :thumb:

[168glhs1986]

I'm so envious of your car. The paint looks fantastic, and I love those wheels you have for street use. :thumb:

Well thank you on both counts. I can't wait to see the paint after it's wet sanded and buffed!


Although I just found out these are fake Buddy Club wheels....they are still my favorites out of the 3 sets.

[168glhs1986]

And . . . ?

ok ok. It was going to be a ancient Chinese secret (insert Jeremy Lin joke here...) but here you go.

To all the "purist" look away from the screen now!

I plan on making these the show car rims.....

Refinished Original Centurians.....and these are not knockoff's like my Buddy Clubs, lol

[omni_840]

How did you find out the Buddy Club's were knock off's?
Still looks cool though:nod:

[phoebegoesvroom]

I have to say, I do like the way the Centurions look in black...and I'm not really a fan of the Centurions. Nice one!

[168glhs1986]

How did you find out the Buddy Club's were knock off's?
Still looks cool though:nod:

The Buddy Club USA rep told us. Thanks, I still think they are cool. IMO beats a Rota wheel and costs less.


I have to say, I do like the way the Centurions look in black...and I'm not really a fan of the Centurions. Nice one!

Thanks. Nothing says 80's wheels like Centurians!

[krut]

Looking at the work done makes you want to leave it to the professionals. Beautiful stuff!

[168glhs1986]

Looking at the work done makes you want to leave it to the professionals. Beautiful stuff!

Thank you. That's what I try to do. Find the best and have them do their thing.

[vipernbox]

I have to say, I do like the way the Centurions look in black...and I'm not really a fan of the Centurions. Nice one!


I just did a set here at the shop... and plan on doing another... They look awesome... I am debating doing a slightly different/more gray/ charcoal on the inset portions.. and possibly a red stripe...


They look awesome in matte black. and I am not really a fan either..

(and these are ugly peeled II's I am bringing back to life..)

[rx2mazda]

Man, the bug bit you hard huh?! Everything looks great, can't wait to see it in person.

[168glhs1986]

Man, the bug bit you hard huh?! Everything looks great, can't wait to see it in person.

Yes, and with no end in sight.....this is why I'm refusing to look at my bank account balance.

Just bought these today...the rare K1's in 5 x 100 bolt pattern... the search is finally over. Pickem up Saturday.

Now I only have 4 sets of wheels for one car, lol.

[Reaper1]

What size are those K1's? 15? If they are 16's I'm gonna cry!!

[168glhs1986]

What size are those K1's? 15? If they are 16's I'm gonna cry!!

15's. Why not get the RPF 1's.

[168glhs1986]

will these fit my car?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ENKEI-RPF1-16x7-Racing-Wheel-Wheels-5x100-5x114-3-ET25-30-35-43-F1-Silver-/370581674507?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item5648639a0b

[bakes]

only 13.5 pounds nice

[Reaper1]

I have RPF-1's! LOL ;) I need another set of wheels for my '90! :)

Oh, and yes, those will fit. That is exactly what I'm running...35mm offset 16x7.

[168glhs1986]

I have RPF-1's! LOL ;) I need another set of wheels for my '90! :)

Oh, and yes, those will fit. That is exactly what I'm running...35mm offset 16x7.

Do you have a picture with wheels on car?

[168glhs1986]

Just ordered some new tires. Dunlop Star Specs. 205 50 15.

K1's with Star Specs for street and autocross.

Traklites with R888's for Trackdazes.

[Reaper1]

Do you have a picture with wheels on car?

Sure do! This is right after I got them a few years ago with Kumho MX's on them. I currently have Kumho XS's on them. The size is 225/50/16.

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/P1010565.jpg
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/P1010566.jpg
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/P1010564.jpg
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/P1010567.jpg
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/P1010568.jpg
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i413/rcktsrgn/P1010569.jpg

[168glhs1986]

Those look great. I can't believe how light they are for 16" wheels. The 15" wheels (4 lug only) are listed at 9.5lbs. That's lighter than the forged traklite

[Reaper1]

Thanks! :thumb: Yeah, I'm a bit jaded with these. They are super light and changing tires, or rotating them, ect. is REALLY easy. I go to do something like that on my wife's car, or the like and I'm like.....WOOOAHHH!!! LOL

[contraption22]

I'm convinced you can bolt an RFP1 onto pretty much anything and they will look good.

[168glhs1986]

Spending spree officially over. So although I NEED a 5th set of wheels for #168, I won't be buying the RPF 1's.

Now it's just a matter of getting the car back from paint and then having Slowe Racing button some things up.

[168glhs1986]

Let the wet sanding begin

[168glhs1986]

picked them up today. This time, I checked to see if they were knockoff's before I paid the man. They are the real deal:lol:

[mcsvt]

Mike when you realize you have too many wheels, sell me the Kosei's. I've got 2, but I'd really like to have a full set.

Progress is looking great, can't wait to see it :thumb:

[168glhs1986]

Mike when you realize you have too many wheels, sell me the Kosei's. I've got 2, but I'd really like to have a full set.

Progress is looking great, can't wait to see it :thumb:

I'll be selling my Kidney before the Kosei's....I'll be on the lookout for you thou.

Thanks for the kind words on the build.

[supercrackerbox]

I always wanted a set of those too. Oh well, I've got more important things to worry about first . . . like a front end.

[wallace]

For the paint job did you remove the rubber molding that runs in the middle of the body right below the door handles?

[168glhs1986]

For the paint job did you remove the rubber molding that runs in the middle of the body right below the door handles?

Yes. That will be last to reapply after sand / paint. We thought about an after market molding but nothing looked as good as stock.

I think you'd run into big problems if you painted the car with the side moldings on.

[wallace]

What about ditching it altogether?

[Reeves]

What about ditching it altogether?


That's what I did.

[Juggy]

That's what I did.

and your car looks awesome with its subtle shavings :)

[vipernbox]

I am not sure they all had those strips anyway.. They were not on GLHS 174. and it sure didn't look like it had ever been painted..

[wallace]

That's what I did.

Is that strip just glued on or are there hidden fasteners to find and remove?

[vipernbox]

Is that strip just glued on or are there hidden fasteners to find and remove?

glued

[Reeves]

glued

It has double sided tape on the fenders, doors, quarter panels, but on the hatch it is hidden fasteners.

[wallace]

It has double sided tape on the fenders, doors, quarter panels, but on the hatch it is hidden fasteners.

Thank you.

[Keito]

I was thinking if I repaint my red car, to buy a 1/2" stripe and tape it in.

[168glhs1986]

That's what I did.


This was discussed. Shaving the moldings, filling in the rear holes and doing same in the same in the back. It was a little more work then we wanted to tackle. Can u send me closeup pics of how your rear looks.

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Powder coating the K1's in competition grey (audi style). I should have them by Friday and I'll post pics then. Kosei decals will be in black. Hopefully they will look like this....

[Reaper1]

I thought people were saying NOT to powder coat wheels because the curing temps for the powder coat could anneal the aluminum, ruining the heat treatment.

[168glhs1986]

I thought people were saying NOT to powder coat wheels because the curing temps for the powder coat could anneal the aluminum, ruining the heat treatment.

Ah, the great debate....Lots of info on this subject and I have a few concerns about this concern.

1) How do businesses that powdercoat wheels stay in business and not get sued when everyone breaks there wheels and crashes as a result of aftermarket powder coating?

2) Yes, I understand heating a wheel at 400 degrees for 15 minutes will change the wheel chemistry but no where near enough for me and lots of other track go-ers to worry about. You have to heat the wheel at that temp for something like 5-7 hours to put the metal into a t7 catagory.

I've read the posts that say they have broken there wheel after powdercoating. What some don't tell you is that they ran off the track and broke the wheel, then blame it on powder coating.

3) What happens when wheel repair shops widen a wheel or make one less wide? They weld it at an extremely high temp and then give it back to you to race on it!

So while others will never powder coat their wheels, I fall into the category of if done properly, I will not worry about running a aftermarket powder coated wheel.

Would I give my wheels to a powder coating shop that doesn't specialize in wheels...NO...They might heat it to 900 degrees and then you have trouble. Low Temps for a short period of time, proper heat build and cool down, IMO you'll be fine.

So for what it's worth, I will only trust a reputable wheel repair shop to powdercoat my wheels.

This subject is like Politics, no right answer and everyone has an opinion.

By the way, these wheels are for street / autocross use. My Traklites are for high speed track use. My powder coated Centurian I's are for show only.

[phoebegoesvroom]

I'm involved in the streetfighter motorcycle scene, and a LOT of people have their wheels powdercoated. I've never heard of a failure from it...and believe me, I'd hear about it. Those guys really stress their bikes. Same with stunters.

[T-Bohn]

Pictures of the bikes!!! ( new Thread??) Please!

[phoebegoesvroom]

Pictures of the bikes!!! ( new Thread??) Please!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/phoebegoesvroom/sets/

Check out the "fighter fest" sets.

Sorry Mike, threadjack over! :p

[168glhs1986]

Its all relevant and good info, no worries. Thanks for sharing the info.


I'm involved in the streetfighter motorcycle scene, and a LOT of people have their wheels powdercoated. I've never heard of a failure from it...and believe me, I'd hear about it. Those guys really stress their bikes. Same with stunters.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/phoebegoesvroom/sets/

Check out the "fighter fest" sets.

Sorry Mike, threadjack over! :p

[Reeves]

Can u send me closeup pics of how your rear looks.

37840

[Pat]

37840

lol!!!!!

[rx2mazda]

lmao!!

[168glhs1986]

James - don't take this the wrong way but I would totally hit that!

[cordes]

This subject is like Politics, no right answer and everyone has an opinion.



While I haven't read the opinion of a metallurgists or experienced engineers on the subject, I'm still going to disagree. We are not pushing the boundaries of physics to understand what is happening in the process and there must be a ton of guys who know the real answer. It'll just take someone willing to do the digging or pay someone for their time to hear what the score is.

[vipernbox]

It'll just take someone willing to do the digging or pay someone for their time to hear what the score is.

Last I heard they had the guy who gave the OK to send the fiberrides out to the public working on it.

;)


I have my daughter blasting some more 2's right now.. Lay some powder down tomorrow...

[168glhs1986]

Cordes - I'll let you fund the wheel powder coating research project. For myself I have the info I need to proceed. Besides there are way too many variables involve like. Current makeup of wheels - how were they made (shot peened, heat treated?) Density of metal ( any air pockets in current casting? Then how are they powder coated - process, then how are they used? Track / street, etc...

I'm sure any metalurgist will tell u when you heat a wheel to 400 degrees its composition will change - the answer to the question is by how much and that has to be done on a wheel by wheel basis as they are all different.

[Pat]

Cordes - I'll let you fund the wheel powder coating research project. For myself I have the info I need to proceed. Besides there are way too many variables involve like. Current makeup of wheels - how were they made (shot peened, heat treated?) Density of metal ( any air pockets in current casting? Then how are they powder coated - process, then how are they used? Track / street, etc...

I'm sure any metalurgist will tell u when you heat a wheel to 400 degrees its composition will change - the answer to the question is by how much and that has to be done on a wheel by wheel basis as they are all different.

Why not call Kosei and ask?

[zin]

Illinois tell you this much, if a nitrous bottle is heated over 350*F it must be decommissioned (have a hole drilled into it), because it could have been annealed. I suspect wheels are in the same boat.

That said, if they were cooled properly they could be essentially re-heat treated and be just fine. Some powder coaters may be aware of the issues with aluminum and do this process. Also, OE wheels are so over-built, even weakened they aren't in danger of failure ....

Mike

[168glhs1986]

Why not call Kosei and ask?

Why even bother, I know there gonna say they don't recommend it.

[contraption22]

A high quality epoxy paint will give you 90% of the durability of powdercoat IMHO.

[168glhs1986]

Does anyone know where to find that white plastic stuff you see on new cars as there being transported by the big rigs? I'd like to put some on mine when I bring her back to Md.

[contraption22]

Mike,
Check out this stuff.
http://www.buyroadwrap.com/

I (http://www.buyroadwrap.com/) know you can get it at PepBoys. Other auto parts retailers might have it too.

[168glhs1986]

Might work, thanks. The only issue is it looks like it has an adhesive backing and the dealer stuff is static cling

[phoebegoesvroom]

There's this: http://www.eastwood.com/final-assembly-chafe-tape.html

It's not cheap, but supposedly it works. I haven't used it myself yet. Have you considered using pallet wrap?

[contraption22]

Might work, thanks. The only issue is it looks like it has an adhesive backing and the dealer stuff is static cling

Thats very true. Might not be an issue on most cars, but I might be hesitant on brand new paint.

[phoebegoesvroom]

How about boat wrap?

[Pat]

Does anyone know where to find that white plastic stuff you see on new cars as there being transported by the big rigs? I'd like to put some on mine when I bring her back to Md.

Might want to borrow or rent an enclosed trailer for the trip. Fresh paint can be awfully soft...

[contraption22]

Might want to borrow or rent an enclosed trailer for the trip. Fresh paint can be awfully soft...

Good idea!

[bakes]

+3 to inclosed trailer

[168glhs1986]

Might want to borrow or rent an enclosed trailer for the trip. Fresh paint can be awfully soft...

Hmmm, I try to keep telling myself it's only an OMNI! ...but i may look into finding an enclosed trailer...Good idea....now who can I ask????

[phoebegoesvroom]

It's not "only an..." anything! You've put a lot of time, effort and money into it. May as well do it right! =)

[168glhs1986]

There's this: http://www.eastwood.com/final-assembly-chafe-tape.html

It's not cheap, but supposedly it works. I haven't used it myself yet. Have you considered using pallet wrap?

That's it! Thanks I'll be getting some and giving it a shot if I can't find a enclosed loaner.

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It's not "only an..." anything! You've put a lot of time, effort and money into it. May as well do it right! =)

Good point, thanks. Someone shared a horror story. They just loaded their freshly painted car onto the open car trailer and 2 miles down the road proceeded to get behind a dump truck. Well needless to say, here come the stones. F'd his paint / body up badly. It could happen to anyone, better safe than sorry. Enclosed trailer would do the trick.

[168glhs1986]

Pickup wheels outside of Philly on Saturday, drop off in Bath PA 2 hours later. They ship em out yesterday and I get them today. That's a nice service.

1 of the wheels was slightly bent, they straightened it and I had all 4 powder coated in a Audi Grey. It's pretty close to what GM calls Competition Grey.

They have a light tan powdercoat base and a grey paint laid over top. It came out just like the sample Audi wheel. With the Audi wheel, you can see where light reflects its lighter grey and on the outer it changes to darker grey (that's due to the tan powder underneath).

The Traklites, the Centurians and the Buddy Club "fakies" may never get to come out to play. It seems like I say this everytime I get a set of wheels refinished I say there my favs. So I'll say it again, these are my favorites, lol.

[jckrieger]

Wow, this has been a build in progress! Congrats for staying on top of it!

+1 for the TU Trannybuster turbo in 2013.

[168glhs1986]

Wow, this has been a build in progress! Congrats for staying on top of it!

+1 for the TU Trannybuster turbo in 2013.

Thanks, it has been quite a run the past 2 months.

On the Super60, I'd like to get into the 11's on pump gas with+40's first, then I'll swap in the GT30 for some flat out horror.

[jckrieger]

11's shouldn't be any problem on slicks. My old Shelby Charger ran 12.68 @ 108 on drag radials and a T2 turbo.



Thanks, it has been quite a run the past 2 months.

On the Super60, I'd like to get into the 11's on pump gas with+40's first, then I'll swap in the GT30 for some flat out horror.

[omni_840]

<<<<is jealous:)
When you get tired of yout least fav pair of wheels shoot me a pm:P

[168glhs1986]

<<<<is jealous:)
When you get tired of yout least fav pair of wheels shoot me a pm:P

They're not my least favorite (actually my 2nd favorite) but I can't sell the Centurian I's (emotional attachment) and I cant' sell the Traklites (road race wheels) and do I really need 4 sets of wheels for one car?

PM sent.

[30 PSI SHADOW]

They're not my least favorite (actually my 2nd favorite) but I can't sell the Centurian I's (emotional attachment) and I cant' sell the Traklites (road race wheels) and do I really need 4 sets of wheels for one car?

PM sent.



those would look good on my rampage...

[168glhs1986]

those would look good on my rampage...

I think blue paint and shiny wheels really go well together (both cool tone colors). If your interested shoot me a pm or a facebook message. I hate to get rid of them because I don't think I'm going to find another wheel like it, but don't need 2 dd sets.

[168glhs1986]

Tom is making some great progress and I think Jay is helping with the re-assembly.

Another wash, some glazing and then waxing and we should be ready for final assembly / decal install.

Also, Brian serviced my trailer yesterday and added a sweet electric winch. The winch is located inside a tool box installed at the front of the trailer so it's totally enclosed.

My Brother is mounting tires up this week so I'll be ready for Tom's call to come pick her up.

This is getting exciting!

[168glhs1986]

Some trailer pics

[phoebegoesvroom]

Those wheels came out awesome! I love the color.

[168glhs1986]

Those wheels came out awesome! I love the color.

haha, those are Mark's stock K1's. Mine are much darker. I won't be able to put them on until I pickup

[fishcleaner]

Looking good

[rx2mazda]

looking good

understatement!

[168glhs1986]

Looking good

Thanks Mike


understatement!

Thank you Sir Carroll.

[168glhs1986]

I'm hoping for sunny skies on March 24th when I pick her up.

[168glhs1986]

Found another needle in a haystack. I'll be picking up my 2nd set of Kosei's Saturday:dancingbana::partywoot::dancingbana::bana ride:

[BadAssPerformance]

Wheel hoarder! ;) :thumb:

[phoebegoesvroom]

I am jelly, as the kids of today say. ;)

[speedfreek500]

looking real good now, it looked great before the paint also.

[168glhs1986]

I am jelly, as the kids of today say. ;)

Thank you, Jelly is a good word indeed.


looking real good now, it looked great before the paint also.

Thanks. The original paint was decent and lasted 25 years and to be honest I probably wouldn't of painted it if it weren't for the dings. If this paint / body last another 25 years, maybe I'll paint it again for my retirement party, lol.

[jaysshelby]

Thank you, Jelly is a good word indeed.



Thanks. The original paint was decent and lasted 25 years and to be honest I probably wouldn't of painted it if it weren't for the dings. If this paint / body last another 25 years, maybe I'll paint it again for my retirement party, lol.

So my dad told you are picking it up Friday now instead of Saturday. I was gonna shoot down there Saturday to hang out with you guys, but I can't on Friday. Mike, you will be pleased with the results.

[168glhs1986]

So my dad told you are picking it up Friday now instead of Saturday. I was gonna shoot down there Saturday to hang out with you guys, but I can't on Friday. Mike, you will be pleased with the results.

Dang, sorry to hear that Jay. If you decide to call in "sick" come on down. I plan on being there around 1pm and will probably roll out around 3-4 or so to head back to Md. Then on Saturday it's off to Slowe Racing for some more mods. I can't wait to see it and thank you for all your help / pictures / and updates!

[168glhs1986]

So I didn't get to name either of my children. Jet and Lauren. So I've decided to give my 3rd child a name. I'll be picking up Jules tomorrow.

[Reeves]

I'll be picking up Jules tomorrow.

You'll need 'em!

Good thing you got a scatter shield!

[jaysshelby]

Mike, wait till you see it, You are gonna $h!t your pants. My dad hand rubbed it with fill-n-glazed again and man, the black looks a foot deep and smoother than glass.

[Keito]

Waiting for pics!

[168glhs1986]

Pickup Car 4pm last night. Drive 7 hours home in rain, arrive 1am. Leave @ 4:30am for Brians, Drop off car / Back home by noon. So 20 hours of driving in the last 24 hours. A thanks for Mark for meeting me at Summit Racing and showing me some good tie down locations. Haven't had time to even look car over and now it's at Brians. I'll be picking Jules up on Saturday and after some detailing will post pics. Powdercoated K1's on back.

But....Right before the rain started we found this nice location beside a gas station in Medina, OH.

[BadAssPerformance]

Sounds like a fun road trip, car looks good! :thumb:

[phoebegoesvroom]

Ooh la la, looking gorgeous out in the sun! I'm envious.

[168glhs1986]

Thanks to Brian who knocked my list out in 4 days! After installing the cam, according to the butt dyno we picked up some mid-range torque and it had a smooth curve, power came on steady and constant. Couldn't really let it out where we were so when I get it to the track, we'll test it at 14 psi and compare it to the 88 stocker.

The thrust bearings solved the coil bind issue. Thanks to everyone who recommended those.

The MBC Chad T installed last year works as advertised. We had to swap the stock spring out for the heavy one to get it past 15 psi. But with a ----pit controller it really couldn't be easier.

Car hasn't been cleaned in 4 months so tomorrow is a full day of detailing under, inside and out.

[omni_840]

NICE! Looking forward to shiny pics:D

[168glhs1986]

Since I haven't spent a grand on my car in like a week, lol, I'm planning my next move. The SRT4 seats are really nice and I'm just considering getting some Recaro's or Sparco R505's.

Any feedback on the the Sparco 505's or Recaro Speed SRD seats?

[fishcleaner]

Since I haven't spent a grand on my car in like a week, lol, I'm planning my next move. The SRT4 seats are really nice and I'm just considering getting some Recaro's or Sparco R505's.

Any feedback on the the Sparco 505's or Recaro Speed SRD seats?
This is a turbo dodge site, try asking for feedback on milk crates or 5 gallon buckets (just having fun) looks like your going to put some miles on that car, get the more comfortable one.

Where are the pictures of it all detailed out?

[minigts]

I just ordered these for my GLHS.

http://www.corbeau.com/products/reclining_seats/gts_ii/

Black and grey micro suede.

[168glhs1986]

Thanks JT. Looks like a nice seat but I want the seat belt pass thrus.

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This is a turbo dodge site, try asking for feedback on milk crates or 5 gallon buckets (just having fun) looks like your going to put some miles on that car, get the more comfortable one.

Where are the pictures of it all detailed out?

Oh yea, gonna rack up the miles for sure! You'll have to either visit car in person or come to sdac (if I can make it) if u want to see Jules :)

[minigts]

Thanks JT. Looks like a nice seat but I want the seat belt pass thrus.[COLOR="Silver"]



I asked about that and the seat are designed to have the belt come over the top around the head rest and there is a provision (extra cost) to have a 5 point belt come through the middle of the seat, which I got. :) I figured if I ever use them for a car that has a cage or if I add that to this car, I'll have the provision already there. When I get the seats I'll post pics of the top. Still wondering about that. I DO know that the head rest are interchangeable with some of the older Recaros, if not all of them. Which is nice because my friend has a set and the Saleen seats that have the mesh net head rest work in them as well. But I am with you about the pass throughs, kinda wish these seats had that style.

[cordes]

One thing to think about when going with aftermarket seats is the rules for what type of racing you'll be running in. IIRC some types of racing don't allow for aftermarket seats which recline.

[168glhs1986]

A few shots

[cordes]

That looks great. Thanks for posting the pics.

[Reeves]

Wow looks really nice! Love those K1's.

[phoebegoesvroom]

Looks awesome! I'm envious.

[168glhs1986]

What gains if any should I expect from the headlight delete ram air? -10 / 0 / 5-10 / 10+

[omni_840]

I'm not sure what your gains will be, but iTurbo had a similar mod done to his GLH(he actually ran IC pipe through the hole and had the filter externally) and he might have some solid data for you.

[fishcleaner]

What gains if any should I expect from the headlight delete ram air? -10 / 0 / 5-10 / 10+ I don't think you will gain any being a turbo car, can you bend the pipe down and
pull air around the clutch cable trans mount, that headlight out makes the car looked like its wrecked.

[cordes]

What gains if any should I expect from the headlight delete ram air? -10 / 0 / 5-10 / 10+


Craig would know.

[168glhs1986]

I don't think you will gain any being a turbo car, can you bend the pipe down and
pull air around the clutch cable trans mount, that headlight out makes the car looked like its wrecked.

I'll eventually fill in the space with something attractive, probably metal in color so it sticks out and kind of matches the color of the headlight it replaced. Why no gains on a turbo car? I would assume the more air (especially clean air) the better.

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Craig would know.

This is true. I of course got the idea from him after seeing his car in the video.

[fishcleaner]

^ The turbo is like a giant vacuum cleaner, its going to suck air no matter where it is, the cooler air will help some. I think a scooped air box under the front air dam may be more effective. Your car is so good looking I would loose 10 hp and keep it looking that way.

[GLHNSLHT2]

Yes but if you can give the turbo more low vaccum or even pressurized air it becomes more efficient. It's like adding a turbo in front of it in effect. Just like Compound turbo charging. The easier the turbo can grab the air the more efficient it will be and the more power it will make. Put your hand over the end of a vacuum hose, the thing still sucks but no air goes through right?

[fishcleaner]

^ I know the point you are making but every thing I've read on scoops it's really the cooler air that makes the difference over any air presure. First you have to confirm the headlight bucket is a high pressure area, I know on some Vipers the NACA scoop on the hood at very high speeds actually suck the air out of the airbox. The only way to know for sure it to make a few passes at the track and see if the times drop. NASCAR teams have forever pulled air from the cowl area because its the highest pressure area, Omni's have a great big cowl that could be turned into an airbox, something to look at anyway.

[contraption22]

^ I know the point you are making but every thing I've read on scoops it's really the cooler air that makes the difference over any air presure. First you have to confirm the headlight bucket is a high pressure area, I know on some Vipers the NACA scoop on the hood at very high speeds actually suck the air out of the airbox. The only way to know for sure it to make a few passes at the track and see if the times drop. NASCAR teams have forever pulled air from the cowl area because its the highest pressure area, Omni's have a great big cowl that could be turned into an airbox, something to look at anyway.

I'd venture to say that the front of the car is a high pressure area, or there would probably be better places to put a radiator.

[Reaper1]

I'd venture to say that the front of the car is a high pressure area, or there would probably be better places to put a radiator.

+1. It is the highest pressure area on a vehicle unless one higher is designed into the car. Remember it is the stagnation point of the car!

[168glhs1986]

Sorry it's pretty dirty, hadn't washed it in like 10 minutes.

Taken at Team Shelby Northeast 50th bash at Summit Point WV racetrack.39898

[omni_840]

Love the pics! Did you run your car at summit point? If so how'd she do?

[spiro440]

Amazing!! Jules looks great. I'll park mine at the other end of the lot at SDAC!

[168glhs1986]

Love the pics! Did you run your car at summit point? If so how'd she do?

Thanks. Unfortunately I worked yesterday and today so couldn't join in the track session fun.


Amazing!! Jules looks great. I'll park mine at the other end of the lot at SDAC!

Ha, thanks my friend. But I want would like to keep an eye on The Red Baron so u park right next to Jules.

[T-Bohn]

What are the Ford guys saying about the car?? Do they like it? Respect it?? Call it a Rabbit??

What is it like???

[168glhs1986]

What are the Ford guys saying about the car?? Do they like it? Respect it?? Call it a Rabbit??

What is it like???

They (and the corvette guys) all loved it.

Most of the responses were, that's a rare Shelby and I haven't seen one of those in a while. This was a Team Shelby event so I think they welcome all things Shelby.

The guys at cars and coffee enjoy seeing it also. They want to hear the story about how this car came about.

[168glhs1986]

Picked up 6 k1's today. Brings total to 18.

[cordes]

Picked up 6 k1's today. Brings total to 18.

What is your plan for all of these?

[GLHS60]

I'be trying to figure out how to use the omni cowl to pull air from but can't think of how to do it as everything is in the way. Any pictures, ideas, dreams, suggestions, etc??

Thanks
Randy




^ I know the point you are making but every thing I've read on scoops it's really the cooler air that makes the difference over any air presure. First you have to confirm the headlight bucket is a high pressure area, I know on some Vipers the NACA scoop on the hood at very high speeds actually suck the air out of the airbox. The only way to know for sure it to make a few passes at the track and see if the times drop. NASCAR teams have forever pulled air from the cowl area because its the highest pressure area, Omni's have a great big cowl that could be turned into an airbox, something to look at anyway.

[168glhs1986]

What is your plan for all of these?

I'll probably sell a set and keep the rest.

[AzShadow]

those pics are awesome!

[168glhs1986]

those pics are awesome!

Thank you. Here are a few from Cars and Coffee, Great Falls VA style

They had a Noble Turbo which if I were single would be in my garage right now. I'll try to get a good picture of it next week.

[BOOSTIFIED]

Those tires give me naughty thoughts :D

[168glhs1986]

Alignment today and also hope to get a few runs on the Dyno to see where she's @ on 17 and 22 psi.

Update: 262 and 283 @ 17 psi, I'll have to double check data but I think it was about 10.3 afr so a little rich.

Couldn't get the mbc to work and despite Brian installing an ebc months ago I wasn't familiar enough with it to turn it on:banghead:. So for now I'll just have to wonder what it would have been @ 22 psi.

If I may bench race a little.......Does 262 flywheel = 300 @ crank, haha.

Will get familiar with ebc and try to have hummin for sdac.

[spiro440]

A little! I'm running at 11.8 to 12.1 depending on how it feels. I'm pretty sure there is about 8 to 10 just there.
And as for the bench race.... 302 @ crank:D