ForcedFedMopar's 85 GLH-T

[forcedfedmopar]

Well i got the car about 5 years ago from TurboDave. I live in chicago at that time and he was generous enough to help me get the car running so i could get it back to nebraska. So here are some pictures to get everyone up to date with the car;

pictures for boostbarn.com
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/DSC00552.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/DSC00557s.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/DSC00571s.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/DSC00573s.jpg

TurboDave helped me get it running
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omnidriveway.jpg


then when i finished school and moved back to nebraska i got started on it!

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omnigutted.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/driversideprime.jpg

[forcedfedmopar]

then when i got back from school i got started on it.

removed the rear sidemarkers and bumper
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/passsidenolight.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omnigutted.jpg
PAINT!

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/blue.jpg

some interior work

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/dsheadliner.jpg

polished pizzias

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/passengersideshine.jpg

[forcedfedmopar]

now the important part
forged rotating mass. 2.5L
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/strightdown.jpg
my porting work
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/evencloseport.jpg
got it together
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/transonturboshot.jpg
in the car
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/enginein2.jpg

IC install
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/closericpiping.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/nogrill2.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/grillfmic.jpg

[forcedfedmopar]

interior work;
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/insideview1.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/dashupanddown.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/backseat.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/131313.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/88888.jpg

that about brings it up to date on the car until last week

[forcedfedmopar]

not happy with the cars performance i decided to upgrade to the 89 wiring and computer.
(no pics of this process)
Car runs well with a custom cal from FWD PERFORMANCE.

Well now that it runs well i turned the boost up and blew the headgasket last fall before i put it away. (small external leak)

got it out a few days ago and finished it off while taking a friend for a ride.

i have collected some suspension parts i figured i should throw on it

LRE lowing sprigs
KYB sturts all around
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni003.jpg

decided while i was there i would convert it to rear disc

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni004.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni006.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni007.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni008.jpg
all done
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni009.jpg

[forcedfedmopar]

the car pulls extremely hard so i decided that the open diff 555 was a problem. spins through first 4 gears terrible. so LSD was installed in a spare trans.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni011.jpg
chrome moly endplate at that time thanks to OMNI-POTENT
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni012.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni014.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni018.jpg
thats yesterday
Next week i will pull the drivetrain and swap trans. do a headgasket and a few other small things at that time. then off to the track. we only have an 8th mile close by but im hoping i can pull of an 8.5

[raccoon]

wow I remember seeing those original photos way way back. really turned her around.

[trbowgn]

Looks amazing.
I like the Lexus fender cover

[Turbodave]

Looks good Jeff! Glad to see that car get a good home, it was probably the most solid GLH I've ever come across. Still have a white valve cover with purple fins if you ever decide to change it back to it's original style.

[turbokid]

That looks awesome!

[Shadowjake]

Excellent work Jeff! That car came a long way; that first engine bay pic looks like a grease bomb went off under the hood! those seats and interior trim pieces look amazing with the blue too.

Did you get one of the A555 quaife LSDs from the group buy? Or did you go hybrid with A520 internals? I am debating which route I should go now that I see TU offers the quaife for the A555s. I can't believe you didn't post any pics of the LSD ;)

Good work and keep us posted. More pics are always welcome!

Jake

[Shadowjake]

Oh and I like your aluminum dowel prop rod in that one pic. Classy!

[forcedfedmopar]

lol. i know i will get critizied for this but i am trying the omni potent black-trax LSD. I dont plan on keeping the car 5-speed for much longer as i am in the works of building a bigger/better drivetrain for it. but it wont go in for quite awhile so i decided to go this route for the summer.

heres some pics of the LSD install.

i added a pin ontop of the dowl pin. it looks to me that if it ever came loose it could cause the pin to take flight. so i put this extra pin in to make sure everything is snug.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni016.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/omni015.jpg

thats about it.

[86Shelby]

With traction you'll pull out an 8.5. I wouldn't doubt if you hit high 7's.

[1966 dart wagon]

I saw this car last summer in person, looks beautiful. Loved that you shaved the rear side markers and rear bumper

[glhs727]

[QUOTE=forcedfedmopar;647293]now the important part
forged rotating mass. 2.5L
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/strightdown.jpg

I see that these pistons have 4 valve reliefs. Is this a pic if your t-3 motor, or are you planning to upgrade you 8v set-up to a t-3 or hybrid in the future?
Nice build. I love that santa fe blue color!!
later,
Cindy

[Force Fed Mopar]

Lol, at first I was like "I don't have a GLH-T" :) Nice project man, good work.

[omni_840]

Nice looking GLH :nod:

[forcedfedmopar]

[QUOTE=forcedfedmopar;647293]now the important part
forged rotating mass. 2.5L
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/strightdown.jpg

I see that these pistons have 4 valve reliefs. Is this a pic if your t-3 motor, or are you planning to upgrade you 8v set-up to a t-3 or hybrid in the future?
Nice build. I love that santa fe blue color!!
later,
Cindy

nope thats a pic of the 8v. just planning ahead thats all.

[Marcus86GLHS]

great project. the car really has come a long way.

[forcedfedmopar]

Oh and I like your aluminum dowel prop rod in that one pic. Classy!

Thanks. I figured it was as classy as the omni.:lol:


Thanks for all the comments. Hopefully the car will make leaps and bounds this summer!

[forcedfedmopar]

got a little bit done this weekend.
-pulled the drive train
-did a head gasket
-#4 coolant mod
-new 555 with LSD
-Wideband installed
-oil leak fixed
-new home made solid bobble strut
- cleaned engine compartment
-started my new coolant overflow tank

thats about it. but on my initial test drive it looked like the headgasket may be leaking on the front drivers side. maybe i just didnt get it clean. i torqued the head to 80 ftlbs with arp studs:confused:. so ill drive it a few more times then check torque and go from there.

pics
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/PIC_0587.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/PIC_0576.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/PIC_0582.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/PIC_0581.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/PIC_0584.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/PIC_0577.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/PIC_0592.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/PIC_0594-1.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/PIC_0590.jpg

[86Shelby]

Did you use sealant on the HG? I'm a fan of the Mopar sealant used for MLS head gaskets. Worked well on all my cars and the copper gasket in my Mom's '28 Model A.

[forcedfedmopar]

Did you use sealant on the HG? I'm a fan of the Mopar sealant used for MLS head gaskets. Worked well on all my cars and the copper gasket in my Mom's '28 Model A.

no i put it on dry. ive never had a problem with doing it this way. I going to drive it a like 5 miles and go through a heat cycle and then retorque it just to be on the safe side But i may be doing this again next weekend if that doesnt work. if so i guess ill get some spray and try again.:(

[86Shelby]

Fingers crossed for ya, hopefully it's just an illusion! I put every HG I did even at work on dry until '05 and didn't have any problems.

[forcedfedmopar]

why until 05? what changed and made you decide do do it differently?

[86Shelby]

I didn't know anything other than copper spray was available and only used copper on surfaces that weren't pure enough IMO to seal effectively for the long haul.

[forcedfedmopar]

well drove it to the all mopar car show on saturday and the Diff works great. left about 175ft of white marks infront of my storage complex!:nod: I am having issues with it going into high idle mode and having a rev limiter. i belive its the baro senso causing it. hopefully will learn more next this week!

also met MINIGTS at the mopar show. good to meet you john and im glad to see you made it home!:thumb:

[minigts]

well drove it to the all mopar car show on saturday and the Diff works great. left about 175ft of white marks infront of my storage complex!:nod: I am having issues with it going into high idle mode and having a rev limiter. i belive its the baro senso causing it. hopefully will learn more next this week!

also met MINIGTS at the mopar show. good to meet you john and im glad to see you made it home!:thumb:

Dude, I remember reading this thread a while back and I got to see this car in person. To see how you got it and how it looks now is INCREDIBLE!!! Great work on the body, paint, engine, EVERYTHING! Great to meet you as well and hope to see you at SDAC this year. And drag these other guys with ya, don't let them say no. :D

[minigts]

BTW, here is the link for the hood socks. http://www.redlinetuning.com/QL-FORD-MUS-7998.html

I got the ones that fit the 79-98 Mustang. They have the ones that have the powder coated pieces for about $20 more or the plain Jane ones for $69. I went with the $69 ones. :D I'm about to do a write up on this when I move them over to the GLHS. I'll try and get that done this week....hopefully, maybe this weekend.

[forcedfedmopar]

BTW, here is the link for the hood socks. http://www.redlinetuning.com/QL-FORD-MUS-7998.html

I got the ones that fit the 79-98 Mustang. They have the ones that have the powder coated pieces for about $20 more or the plain Jane ones for $69. I went with the $69 ones. :D I'm about to do a write up on this when I move them over to the GLHS. I'll try and get that done this week....hopefully, maybe this weekend.

Thanks. Ill be looking forward to doing this to my car! I know the shower rod is classy but i think ill ditch it for a cleaner look. LOL.

[forcedfedmopar]

went to the track for the first time with this car with NO street experience with it at all.

best of 8.9 at 80mph with a 2.1 60", 16psi and street trim. not too bad for the first trip out. made 8 runs total with no breakage or leakage of anysort! It was a very susccessful trip.

I need to learn how to drive this thing BAD. A/F was pegged 10:1 the entire run. I think learning how to drive and getting a/f under control will be able to make it past the 8.5 mark before changing any components!


Also started customizing a stock intake for it! After opening up a stock T1 manifold :yuck: i feel that some real gains should be made from it! :nod:

Ill get the actual time slip up later.

[forcedfedmopar]

Back to the track last friday again.
Best of 8.71 at 82mph, 2.125 60ft, 14 psi. Only change since last time was fuel pressure and boost. I turned boost down to 14psi and lowered fuel pressure 12psi which got a/f to 10.5:1. bumped up boost to 16psi and didnt go anyfaster? i think ill take a little more fuel out when the new cal gets here and go back at the end of july to hopefully get some 8.5s in before changing to new intake and holset.

[Force Fed Mopar]

Pretty good runs.

[spoolinhard]

Pretty good runs.

I always get you two mixed up when I see your posts!

Good Runs BTW.

[86Shelby]

Kaleb, you're not the only one. :)

[Force Fed Mopar]

I always get you two mixed up when I see your posts!

Good Runs BTW.


Kaleb, you're not the only one. :)

I do the same thing lol. I'm like "Whaaat, when'd I post that? Oh yeah, not me" :lol:

[forcedfedmopar]

Been awhile since i updated.

coolant leak figured out- Seeping from the manifold bolts will fix this winter when i put on my new custom 1 piece intake manifold.

Went to the track one last time this year and pulled off an 8.3 at 85mph :D with 14-15 psi. I know i made a better run but did not get a time slip so all i can prove is the 8.3.
I tried to turn the boost up and could not get anymore than 15ish due to the small WG can. I have a large can to put on.

So winter plans are to seal up coolant leak, buy slicks, put intake and wg can.

Also have been collecting parts for a good top end which include, adjustable cam gear, mexican casting head, +1 valves, tubular header, holset he341, intake manifold. Still need to get cam and springs. havent decided what i want to go with yet.

[forcedfedmopar]

Ive been busy building my new garage but now that winter has hit im back to the grind and loving it! I started to build a modded 1 piece for the car which i think should work out pretty slick and still maintain the stock look.

heres the tread on it
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?55523-8v-1peice-intake-ideas&p=759567#post759567

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/100_0716.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/100_0750.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/100_0751.jpg

[Force Fed Mopar]

Looks slick.

[forcedfedmopar]

Thanks, I had another idea on the intake. I always wondered why people dont drill the intake and put ports directly on it for barbed fittings rather then doing a vac block. im going to put ports in different spots on the intake in 1/4 NPT thread so i dont need a vacuum block when im finished.

[Force Fed Mopar]

Shouldn't make any difference. I think the vacuum block thing is just easier to do in the car, as you don't have to drill any new holes, just buy the right fitting for the block inlet.

[forcedfedmopar]

but...since i have it all apart i could make a cleaner looking intake with the ports closer to the items and hidden, then cap them off if i didnt need them. I did this on the elbow. I added 1 port on bottom and will add 1 more on top for , nitrous, alky, ect. but when not in use i just need to have them capped.

I like this idea i think that it will clean up the engine compartment without all the vac lines running to the same place/

[86Shelby]

I prefer the idea of having dedicated ports since a vacuum block effectively acts like a resivour that slows down response of the vacuum/boost signal. In most cases it really doesn't slow things down much at all, this just falls within 'while I'm here I may as well ______'.

[forcedfedmopar]

I prefer the idea of having dedicated ports since a vacuum block effectively acts like a resivour that slows down response of the vacuum/boost signal. In most cases it really doesn't slow things down much at all, this just falls within 'while I'm here I may as well ______'.

That was my thought about it. I just couldnt type it out as clearly as you! haha. would it be noticable? probably not. Do it for piece of mind? you bet!

[forcedfedmopar]

well, got some more work done on the intake. Should be completely finished this week! Then to start mocking up the header for the holset!

Also am going to upgrade the cooling system this spring. I found a nice summit radiator i think im going to try.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-380645/
Should fit my omni well and still have room for the i/c piping.

Ive also seen a few others use Honda civic radiators. Ive read mixed reviews. I like the idea of the summit one because its shorter and crossflow. But is almost 3X more expensive than a civic radiator. And id still need to buy a nice puller fan. Idk tax time is right around the corner!

Thoughts?

[forcedfedmopar]

Finished up my intake! Dyno'n the car the 26th. Then swap the intake and figure out if it helps any?

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/102_0020.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/102_0022.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/102_0018.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/102_0017.jpg

YAY!

[forcedfedmopar]

Went to the dyno today to get a base line before changing the intake. 268HP and 401 TQ. Ill get the intake swapped here in the next few weeks and head back for some real results.

[Force Fed Mopar]

Very good numbers.

[GLHNSLHT2]

oh gawd, 2 force fed mopars. No wonder I can't keep you guys straight.

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I bet that intake will help bring the a/f up in the upper R's. Still might need some tweaking to get the a/f to not be lean in the lower now though.

[forcedfedmopar]

I think the intake will lower torque by about 30 ft lbs and increase hp by about 30 hp. Which i am ok with. I have a hard time at the track with the amount of torque the car has now. I could use some top end HP help!

[iTurbo]

When I had a 2.5L TI engine in my GLH Turbo, it made 198 WHP/270 WTQ on a Dynojet. Basically it was a bone stock '89 2.5L TI, TII turbocharger, 3" exhaust, NPR intercooler, few other minor bolt-ons. Boost was spiking 14 psi and settling about 12 psi. It was the ultimate pizza delivery machine.

[forcedfedmopar]

nice numbers. Thats close to my set up but i have twice as much boost.

[forcedfedmopar]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/th_102_0048.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/?action=view&current=102_0048.mp4)

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/th_102_0050.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/?action=view&current=102_0050.mp4)


http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/th_102_0053.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/?action=view&current=102_0053.mp4)

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/102_0045.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/102_0047.jpg


This was the dirtiest the car has been in 5 years!:yuck::yuck::yuck:

[turbovanman²]

The intake looks great, :nod:

Can you fix the broken photo links, please, :p

I don't think you'll lose any torque.

Nothing wrong with using nipples-

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20and%20van%20pics/Sonywork107.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/TIII%20engine%20build%20and%20van%20pics/Sonywork105.jpg

[forcedfedmopar]

Looks nice simon!

Heres the final install pics. Intake is in. Looks great, fits great. Would def. pass for stock! Butt dyno says that it doesnt fall on its face after 4K anymore. But with all the wheel spin its hard to get a fair account.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/102_0105.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/102_0113.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/102_0114.jpg

And the GLH got a bath from a few weeks agos snow storm/dyno trip.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/102_0111.jpg

-jeff

[bakes]

Are you still running stock cam ? if you are wait till you swap it out then re-but dyno it:eyebrows:

[forcedfedmopar]

yea im running a stock cam for now. I will be going with an F4 eventually! Id like to have the F4 in before SDAC but its doubful.

[forcedfedmopar]

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?55523-8v-1peice-intake-ideas&p=800220#post800220

cliffs; went to dyno, intake gained me 12hp and 10 ftlbs.

[forcedfedmopar]

In the lab again today. i am installing a hybrid 555/520 with obx and a 3:50 final into the omni today! forgot camera so unless my lady brings it there wont be any pictures. =(

[forcedfedmopar]

When i do burnouts.....it leaves 2 marks....that is all

[1966 dart wagon]

Did you do the trans work yourself? I would like to do the 555/520 hybrid/obx/3.50fd just like you but am a little leary on doing my first trans tear down. I just did a moly plate to mine tonight, man that was easy.

I really figured you'd gain more with the intake but now go with a ported head/cam and you'll be set!

[forcedfedmopar]

I didnt do the trans myself, I found it used. I did take it apart to make sure everything was in good shape and it was. So far ive only driven a mile home from the shop but i can tell a difference with the 3:50 final vs the 3:85 final. I think the intake gain was worth while. 12 whp and 10ftlbs is a pretty good gain in a 280 whp vehicle.

[forcedfedmopar]

Well alot has been done to the car but i havent been doing a very good job updating. Ive drived the crap out of the car for the last 2-3 months. New PB at the track with a 1.8 60' and a 8.06 1/8th at 87mph. Best MPH is 89.

Last night i installed a home made super 60 turbo. I used an early turbo buick compressor and a stock TII hot side and cartridge. Had it all balanced up and put new seals and bearings in it. At the same time i put a ported 2.5" swing valve and 3" down pipe to side exit exhasut with no mufflers/cats. Ive only driven the car home fromt he shop but it feel ALOT faster. Seems to spool faster than the stock garrett? Ill drive more and report back.

Done quite a bit of racing on and off the track. Have beat a HEADs, CAM, Header-exhaust, clutch, intake zo6 Vette., hand full of rice, a gaylant vr4 which was pretty damn ballsy, and lost to a 495 HP 03 cobra by 3 car lengths mid 4th!

Im enjoying the car ALOT and am looking forward to SDAC-21!

[forcedfedmopar]

Last night i changed the oil, did a once over on everything and went for a 100 mile break in trip for the new turbo. Performed GREAT! Did several pulls to dial in A/F ratio. This turbo deffinently has more air than the previous, i had to turn base fuel pressure up 4-5lbs. On the interstate i did a 4th gear, 70-120mph pull and the car never felt like it fell off like it did before at 5000 rpm. Im excited to get back down to the dyno to see where the actual power band is!

[fishcleaner]

Great build and info, keep updating your mods.

[forcedfedmopar]

Great build and info, keep updating your mods.

Thanks will do!

Well i decided to move the battery back up front. I got a Briggs and Stratton 400ca, 350CCA riding lawn mower battery. On SALE for $39. It tested to 597cca. Im happy with the results. heres pics from tonight's project;

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/102_0549-1.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/102_0551.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/102_0554.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/102_0555-1.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/102_0556-1.jpg

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heres a couple photos of the GLHT with my brothers newly acquired 11 392 SRT Green with envy Challenger.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/102_0474.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/102_0482.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/102_0475.jpg

[86Shelby]

Battery install looks great! Sorry I didn't get the text until litterally a few minutes ago. Nice to have the weight up front to help a wee bit with traction.

[forcedfedmopar]

Thanks, I made the tray/box from scratch from a piece of 16 ga. steel. Its hard to tell from the pictures but its mounted by 3 bolts on the bottom. I welded the bolts to the bottom of the tray then welded washers on the bolts to set height. Its not sitting on the frame or inner fender. I think it turned out great!

[forcedfedmopar]

Well, i ordered cam, springs, guides, seats, rollers, lifters, and i ported the head. It should be back from the machine shop in about 2 weeks! super stoked to see what a 44/37 ported F4 head will do!

[86Shelby]

It will make you appreciate slicks that much more!

[forcedfedmopar]

OK, got the new 44/38, F4, ported head on the car yesterday. i am very pleased with how it turned out. wow is all i can say. will haze the 23in slicks in 3rd gear now. i lost a bit of low end power but may be able to make that up with adjusting the cam. after break in i did a couple pulls and it goes like a freight train to 6K now and just begs for more rpms. im excited to get back to the dyno to see where the peak numbers are now and what they are. Seat of the pants says at least 50WHp more.

[Force Fed Mopar]

Vids or ban!

[forcedfedmopar]

http://www.youtube.com/user/fireturd305#

listen to the comentary. pretty funny. i dont know who took the video btw.

[moparman76_69]

"sounds like a diesel" how many times have we all heard that?

[Shadow]

By F4 do you mean F4 cam? Or is it a stage 4 head?

[forcedfedmopar]

its an f4 cam, the head was home ported and what not. so its stage...1? lol.

[Shadow]

its an f4 cam, the head was home ported and what not. so its stage...1? lol.

Awesome! The F4 cam was the crowning glory so far on my build. Not sure what ppl mean by "streatable" but the Charger on the stock 88 roller would destroy D/R's on the street even down on 18psi. Car only hooked 1/2 3rd and 4th :(

Since the F4 cam, I not only picked up about 70WHP at the track (and I'm not even at the 38psi boost on the stock cam for a Real comparo)
on my 18-20psi pump gas tune I can now step on it in 2nd and actually get traction till around 5200rpm were I'm reaching peak TQ + HP and then short shift to third before blowing the tires away, traction in 3rd to about 6000rpm then 4th!

To me, that's more streetable than having Zero traction in almost 3 gears. I noticed the slight loss of low end when I first put it in, but I can't tell when driving the car now!

[forcedfedmopar]

im not sure why its not a streetable cam either? i just drove mine 1700 miles on the street with no drivability issues at all. i REALLY need to upgrade my tiny turbo so i can actually put up some decent numbers like the rest of you guys. my .48 exhaust side is KILLING me.

[roachjuice]

When your ready to sell that turbo hit me up.

[forcedfedmopar]

When your ready to sell that turbo hit me up.

the turbo on the car? idk why you would want it. its a stock T2 exhaust side with a early turbo buick compressor. its a home made "super 60" with the correct housing. its REALLY nothing special. I think a .63 housing would do WONDERs for the car. if not a hair larger than .63. but i cant complain, the car is AMAZING on the street. almost instant spool, never stops pulling, and it gets great mpgs still. id recommend this comby to anyone with a 2.5 street car.

[roachjuice]

the turbo on the car? but i cant complain, the car is AMAZING on the street. almost instant spool, never stops pulling, and it gets great mpgs still. id recommend this comby to anyone with a 2.5 street car.

Which is why I would want it lol

[cordes]

What is the best vac you can pull at idle with the F4 cam in there?

[Shadow]

16"HG in the Charger.

[cordes]

16"HG in the Charger.

Thanks. That's not bad at all.

[Force Fed Mopar]

The 2.5 in the Lebaron I bought from Bozo runs 20" w/ an F3 cam. FWIW :D

[forcedfedmopar]

my car pulls 18" at idle with 12* timing.

[cordes]

my car pulls 18" at idle with 12* timing.

Wow, that's great. This is something I'll look into down the road.

[Force Fed Mopar]

my car pulls 18" at idle with 12* timing.

That's what my 2.2 pulls with a FM 475 cam.

[forcedfedmopar]

i went to the track last weekend. ran a PILE of 12.0xs at 22psi. I must have a boost leak of wg problem cause i couldnt turn the boost up nomatter what i did. SO, it is extremely consistant with 22 psi. and 1.7xx 60' everytime. After about 6 hot laps i popped a frost plug out and poured coolant in the burnout box. i think i just installed them incorrectly because i just put new brass plugs in about 2k miles ago. oh well. ill figure out the boost leak and pop a new plug in and be back in business.

[forcedfedmopar]

so what turbo would i need to get the car down to 11.5? I think it may be possible on more boost but not efficiently. So, i need suggestion on how to make the car faster without loosing weight. part of my bragging right is that the car is FULL interior. already dont have rear bumper. battery is still up front. i cut consistant 1.7xx 60s but just dont finish it off. im only trapping 113mph on average. i need more power me thinks.

[Shadow]

To4e 46 trim (Big housing) .63 A/R stock turbine wheel. Amazing spool characteristics and 125+MPH capable in a full bodied S/C.

Wanna go bigger? 50 trim To4e (big housing) .63 A/R stage 2 turbine wheel.

[forcedfedmopar]

i have a holset he341 sitting on the shelf. that would be close to the 50 tim wouldnt it?

[Shadow]

Correct, like a 50 trim To4e, but Better! Higher PR + slightly larger more efficient turbine wheel than a stage 3 .63 A/R.

[forcedfedmopar]

Well sounds like i will be putting the holset on the omni this winter. I will likely build a 1.5in shorty tube header for it when i do. I just noticed i never updated the thread after drag week. so...

After putting the 44/37, ported head with F4 cam i did Hot Rod Drag Week 2011. I drove 1400 miles made 20 passes at 4 differnt tracks and averaged a time of 12.17 at 113. My fastest pass was in Tulsa OK with a 11.97 at 113.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/102_0905.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/user/fireturd305#p/a/u/1/BeASjqdQ7CI

After drag week i went back to topeak, ks with some friends and ran a pile of 12.0x's.

Then my home track opened back up after being underwater all season. I got my best 1/8th mile times todate there. 7.53 at 93mph. Which is better than my 7.67 i ran on my 11 sec pass in tulsa. So ive taken .14 off my 1/8th mile times with more seat time. Im thinking theres more in the car as it is.

Plans for the winter include Roll cage, holset, header, and probably a larger exhaust. (4in)

[Shadow]

Nice! I think you've taken a really smart path to your goals with this build. This has to be one of the fastest "small turbo" cars out there! Too many go too big right out of the box and never give themselves a chance to learn what really works along the way.

I think you've put together a real solid base for the Holset upgrade. Looking at the times your running + your build, it's easy to see that your biggest restriction is the turbo.

Looking forward to seeing how the car responds to Header/ Turbo/ Exhaust upgrade. :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

Well sounds like i will be putting the holset on the omni this winter. I will likely build a 1.5in shorty tube header for it when i do. I just noticed i never updated the thread after drag week. so...

After putting the 44/37, ported head with F4 cam i did Hot Rod Drag Week 2011. I drove 1400 miles made 20 passes at 4 differnt tracks and averaged a time of 12.17 at 113. My fastest pass was in Tulsa OK with a 11.97 at 113.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/102_0905.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/user/fireturd305#p/a/u/1/BeASjqdQ7CI

After drag week i went back to topeak, ks with some friends and ran a pile of 12.0x's.

Then my home track opened back up after being underwater all season. I got my best 1/8th mile times todate there. 7.53 at 93mph. Which is better than my 7.67 i ran on my 11 sec pass in tulsa. So ive taken .14 off my 1/8th mile times with more seat time. Im thinking theres more in the car as it is.

Plans for the winter include Roll cage, holset, header, and probably a larger exhaust. (4in)

Wonder what you gained with the mods because at first, you were pretty well running the same times as before the head and cam?

What boost after and did you find the boost leak or is 22 psi all you can get?

[forcedfedmopar]

i picked up half a second with the head and cam swap? id say thats a pretty large gain? going from a 12.4 to an 11.9 is a good gain in my books. and im only running 22psi. and since then ive picked up almost .15 in the 1/8th mile. which would put me close to the 11.5-11.6 area. Thats almost a full second with the head cam swap.

I did figure out my boost issue last weekend. My Talon BOV was leaking. I switched to a modded one and now i have as much boost as i want.

[forcedfedmopar]

Well, i went to the dyno again. The head, and cam worked great! MY peak torque was lower by about 40ftlbs and my peak hp was only 6-8 hp more. BUT....i gained over 60hp at 5K rpm and hold that number til red line. The engine doesnt fall on its face anymore. I dont have a picture or the chart right now, but i will try to get it when i have a chance. heres videos til then

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/th_100_1839.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/?action=view&current=100_1839.mp4)

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/th_100_1838.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/?action=view&current=100_1838.mp4)
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/th_100_1840-1.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/?action=view&current=100_1840-1.mp4)


Its clear as day that the .48 housing is holding my numbers down. So......

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/100_2087.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/100_2089.jpg

I have a holset He341 thats going on along with a home made header. I have everything to get started so i will update when that happens!

[Force Fed Mopar]

Not bad, can't wait to see the numbers. What boost were you running?

[cordes]

Thanks for the update. I've really enjoyed following the progress of this car.

[Shadow]

Its clear as day that the .48 housing is holding my numbers down. So......

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/100_2087.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/100_2089.jpg

I have a holset He341 thats going on along with a home made header. I have everything to get started so i will update when that happens!

Nice ! :) Can hardly wait to see your results!

Bump for dyno sheet!!!!!!!!:D

[forcedfedmopar]

ive never run more than 22psi at the track, they dyno would peak to 28ish psi then fall off to 23psi! (you can hear the sound change in the videos) i imagine thats the exhaust piling up on itself in the manifold before the turbo? I will also be getting a 6pt cage welded in this winter. Thats gonna add about 70lbs to the car. I started running on the tread mil last week. I hope to loose about 30 lbs so that will offset the cage a bit. thinking about pulling the heater box out and gutting it besides the heater core. might be able to get about 15lbs there? I WILL NOT remove the interior so ill have to come up with other ways of lightening the car without removing anything that is useful/functional.

[supercrackerbox]

thinking about pulling the heater box out and gutting it besides the heater core. might be able to get about 15lbs there? I WILL NOT remove the interior so ill have to come up with other ways of lightening the car without removing anything that is useful/functional.

I doubt that much, maybe 5 pounds at most. The AC unit doesn't weigh anything, and that's really all that's in there besides the fan, heater core, and a couple flapper doors. And personally, I'd never remove the heat from a car that ever sees street duty.

[86Shelby]

I suppose you could drill some holes and ziptie the mode doors so it blows out the defrost and take off the vacuum controls. With the mode doors 'fixed' the vacuum controls on the dash could be taken out of the controller so you would only have the temp blend and fan speed. There isn't much of anything in the HVAC system to take out without simply removing it all. Maybe cut up the box and epoxy on some flat plastic to reduce the size and bulk(ie passages to blow out the vents & floor)? I'm just throwing out ideas there.

[forcedfedmopar]

I doubt that much, maybe 5 pounds at most. The AC unit doesn't weigh anything, and that's really all that's in there besides the fan, heater core, and a couple flapper doors. And personally, I'd never remove the heat from a car that ever sees street duty.

Agreed. I will leave the heater core. just get rid of the evep and junk. Ive never opened one up. so 15lbs was just a guess.

[Force Fed Mopar]

Where's the dyno sheet? Impatient minds are impatient :D

[Shadow]

ive never run more than 22psi at the track, they dyno would peak to 28ish psi then fall off to 23psi! (you can hear the sound change in the videos) i imagine thats the exhaust piling up on itself in the manifold before the turbo? I will also be getting a 6pt cage welded in this winter. Thats gonna add about 70lbs to the car. I started running on the tread mil last week. I hope to loose about 30 lbs so that will offset the cage a bit. thinking about pulling the heater box out and gutting it besides the heater core. might be able to get about 15lbs there? I WILL NOT remove the interior so ill have to come up with other ways of lightening the car without removing anything that is useful/functional.

Pressure Tap, Pressure tap!!!! :nod:

[forcedfedmopar]

Where's the dyno sheet? Impatient minds are impatient :D

ill get it up tonight.

rob, Maybe when i make the header ill put a port in each runner and the collector to really get an accurate reading. maybe...first i have to make the prototype!

[Shadow]

ill get it up tonight.

rob, Maybe when i make the header ill put a port in each runner and the collector to really get an accurate reading. maybe...first i have to make the prototype!

Sounds good, but knowing how choked is is right now would be nice. :)

[forcedfedmopar]

sorry, the all the exhaust is coming off from the head back and going onto my van. I suppose i could put a port in it then, but wont be the same setup so it wouldnt give us any good readings anyway.

[forcedfedmopar]

BEFORE
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/102_0222.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/102_0223.jpg


NOW
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/100_2101.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/100_2100-1.jpg

[Force Fed Mopar]

Yeah it flattened out your power curve a bit. Not having as big of a torque spike at 3500 probably helps your traction, and it's making 40ish more tq at 5k. Hp steadily increases too instead of peaking early.

[forcedfedmopar]

when i grab the old chart from work ill let you know the exact increases. but it was significant. I know if the turbo was properly sized the HP and torque would just keep increasing til red line.

[cordes]

There's hardly anything to come out of the box as others have stated. I'm all about weight savings and I don't think that I would bother personally. I bet you would come close to the same weight savings by relaying the headlights and fog lights to eliminate some wires.

[Force Fed Mopar]

Interesting that it spooled up pretty much the same on both setups.

[forcedfedmopar]

about 500 rpm different. sounds about right for down low. im sure the cam played a large part in that.

[Shadow]

when i grab the old chart from work ill let you know the exact increases. but it was significant. I know if the turbo was properly sized the HP and torque would just keep increasing til red line.

Deff out of breath way early as your HP shouldn't have even peaked till 6500rpm or later!


Interesting that it spooled up pretty much the same on both setups.

F4 cam did the same on my set-up. Lost virtually nothing on spool-up. (Maybe 100rpm?)

[Force Fed Mopar]

F4 cam did the same on my set-up. Lost virtually nothing on spool-up. (Maybe 100rpm?)

I was thinking more about the top end combo as a whole, stock head/cam/intake vs ported head/F4 cam/modded intake.

[forcedfedmopar]

at 3k
before 188hp and 330tq
now 183hp and 320tq

at 3.5k
before 262hp and 294tq
now 242hp and 364tq

at 4k
before 264hp and 347tq
now 269hp and 353tq

at 4.5k
before 249hp and 291tq
now 274hp and 320tq

at 5k
before 235hp and 247tq
now 285hp and 299tq

at 5.5K
before 216hp and 206tq
now 277hp and 265tq

at 6k
before 182hp and 162tq
now 266hp and 226tq

I hope this is informative. im not going to type out the whole list. but this give you a pretty good idea.

[cordes]

Wow, what a difference.

[Shadow]

I was thinking more about the top end combo as a hole, stock head/cam/intake vs ported head/F4 cam/modded intake.

Ah, didn't realise that he dyno'd with more than just a cam swap. In that case the turbo Must be holding you Way back! I picked up this much + more just swapping in the F4 cam ;)

[forcedfedmopar]

Ah, didn't realise that he dyno'd with more than just a cam swap. In that case the turbo Must be holding you Way back! I picked up this much + more just swapping in the F4 cam ;)

this dyno was just head/cam. The previous numbers were with the modded intake. I agree. the turbo is holding me back like crazy. thats why i started pulling it off last night!

[Shadow]

this dyno was just head/cam. The previous numbers were with the modded intake. I agree. the turbo is holding me back like crazy. thats why i started pulling it off last night!

K, that sounds better, as the intake would be a good gain as well.

[forcedfedmopar]

K, that sounds better, as the intake would be a good gain as well.

the intake got me about 15hp and 12tq? or close to that, i would have to go back and look. Nothing SUPER crazy. but any gain in my book is worth it. Again, i think the turbo is out of air and that is whats killing the car. I think if the turbo could flow more, the intake would have shown more improvement.

[Force Fed Mopar]

So this dyno was done on a stock intake?

[forcedfedmopar]

no, this dyno is the current setup. big valve ported head, home made intake, s60 turbo.

[Shadow]

the intake got me about 15hp and 12tq? or close to that, i would have to go back and look. Nothing SUPER crazy. but any gain in my book is worth it. Again, i think the turbo is out of air and that is whats killing the car. I think if the turbo could flow more, the intake would have shown more improvement.

Actually, I believe the cam is what's being held back the most right now.


So this dyno was done on a stock intake?

Niether dyno was stock intake. The first dyno was modded intake mani, the second dyno was added Big valve head and cam.

[Force Fed Mopar]

Niether dyno was stock intake. The first dyno was modded intake mani, the second dyno was added Big valve head and cam.

That's what I thought, but you guys were confusing me lol. Like I said before, good gains, the power curve is much flatter.

[Shadow]

Don't feel bad, I almost confused myself when I typed that! :confused: :D

[forcedfedmopar]

lol. the cam and head are not being used to potential. The gains were good in my book! i think the true potential will be realized when the new trubo goes on!

[GLHNSLHT2]

wonder how much the power would come up with the a/f wasn't so fat rich above 5500rpms.

[bakes]

wonder how much the power would come up with the a/f wasn't so fat rich above 5500rpms.

good eye!!

[forcedfedmopar]

it hits 10-1 and stays there id imagine id make quite a bit more it i had the tune cleaned up some.

A guy i went on drag week with made a video of driving out of the track in topeka. you can see and hear the omni in the first part of the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg7BEwI5cAk

[forcedfedmopar]

heres another he made
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2B7X1x6M_nk

good stuff, thanks Joe!

[AzShadow]

ahhhh i wanna go to drag week!

[Pat]

Very cool! I'm jealous!

[c2xejk]

ahhhh i wanna go to drag week!

Then GO! It is a blast even if you are not running right. Been there done that!

[forcedfedmopar]

Then GO! It is a blast even if you are not running right. Been there done that!

It was a blast, The new drag week car likely wont be done this year so ill probably end up taking the omni again, which should be running in the 10s!

[Sundance 6g72]

heres another he made
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2B7X1x6M_nk

good stuff, thanks Joe!

np man

i had tons of fun that week. Id love to see/ hear of more TM guys attending next year.. i sure hope i can pull a fast one and go

seeing nothing but ls1 swapped ford running 10s gets old on the second day. need for turbo 4s!

[forcedfedmopar]

i like a variety myself. Or different set ups. Seemed like most cars had some personality. There wasnt really any "run of the mill" cars. But i would LOVE to see a few more turbo mopars come join in. I was really a lone wolf in the whole event besides you guys. Id love for a few of the low 11 sec cars come run the daily drive class next year with me. If your car running in the 11s that should get you a solid spot in the final 32!

[Sundance 6g72]

id like to be running 11s by then

i can dream right?

[forcedfedmopar]

low 12s would work. i was like 19th and my average was 12.17 for the week

[Sundance 6g72]

yeah but you got to leave the line hard with them slicks and lsd ;) paired with more power. i know im not at my 300whp goal yet, though i should be.

[fishcleaner]

I'm shooting for drag week, did the power tour in '06 and the people I've talked to said drag week is better, so if the cards play out, I'm in.

[Sundance 6g72]

Power tour was cool bit drag week had the competition! Power tour came through my town last summer and it was cool but at the same time, just a bunch of parked car..... Very nice parked cars. I like to watch them run 9s though

[forcedfedmopar]

pictures....because race car?
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/100_2380.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/100_2381.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/100_2382.jpg
(3 and 4 inch comparo)

[cordes]

Wow. You're going to be moving a little bit more air than before.

[Sundance 6g72]

holy crap dude

[supercrackerbox]

Wow. You're going to be moving a little bit more air than before.

Just a wee bit.

[forcedfedmopar]

hopefully ill take advantage of the big valve ported head now. =)

[Shadow]

Your going to Love your car after this mod bro! :love:

[forcedfedmopar]

Your going to Love your car after this mod bro! :love:

i hope so! I did enjoy it quite a bit before tho! Hoping with these mods i can get into the 10s

[Shadow]

i hope so! I did enjoy it quite a bit before tho! Hoping with these mods i can get into the 10s

Should be able to, that turbo is 500WHP capable without issue.:nod:

[forcedfedmopar]

Should be able to, that turbo is 500WHP capable without issue.:nod:

I only had 286whp when i was running 11s on a super 60. I think ill only need about 340ishwhp to make 10s. I also bought a 2step/no lift shift box. That should knock .3 or better off due to not loosing boost between shifts.

[Shadow]

I only had 286whp when i was running 11s on a super 60. I think ill only need about 340ishwhp to make 10s. I also bought a 2step/no lift shift box. That should knock .3 or better off due to not loosing boost between shifts.

Agreed, If I would have had a 2 step LC I would have been in the 10's a couple years earlier than I was and at a much lower MPH.

[GLHS-024]

I only had 286whp when i was running 11s on a super 60. I think ill only need about 340ishwhp to make 10s. I also bought a 2step/no lift shift box. That should knock .3 or better off due to not loosing boost between shifts.

Did you get the N2MB WOT Box?

[forcedfedmopar]

Did you get the N2MB WOT Box?

yes i did.

[Shadow]

Pressure tap that sucker!!!!!

[forcedfedmopar]

Pressure tap that sucker!!!!!
if youre a good boy ill add a port in the collector area on the final header!

[Shadow]

if youre a good boy ill add a port in the collector area on the final header!

Damn, guess that's a No then. :(

























































:evil:

[forcedfedmopar]

well, ive been busy with the van, but it is now driveable. So i will be building the header in the next week or so. I also set up a date with my chasis guy to have a 6pt cage put in! So things will be getting serious here very shortly!

[Sundance 6g72]

hell yeah :D

[forcedfedmopar]

seriousness has begun.
Thanks to Supercrackerbox for the unusable trans case to make a mount out of;
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0018.jpg

Then i started to act like i knew what i was doing....
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0021.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0022.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0024.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0025.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0026.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0031.jpg

As youve noticed i did move the turbo to ontop of the trans. In my opinion it was the only feasable way of getting the he341 in there without using the factory log manifold. I think it should work well. NO..they didnt end up equal lenght but they are in firing order heading into the collector! I hope to get the rest built this week and hopefully everything installed next weekend if possible.
-jeff

[Sundance 6g72]

i think you did a great job in general. Get it zipped up!

[moparman76_69]

Holy pie cuts!

[86seeS]

Ya what he said^ looks good though

[cordes]

I love that header. Even if it ends up being a total failure it's still more than 99.9% of car guys would ever dare to attempt. Excellent work sir!

[forcedfedmopar]

I love that header. Even if it ends up being a total failure it's still more than 99.9% of car guys would ever dare to attempt. Excellent work sir!

Thanks. I was thinking the same thing! Hopefully it wont be a wasted attempt. I wasnt going to spend the money on nice bends when i didnt know if it was going to work or not, or for the fact that i didnt know what i needed. I do however think it will work and that it will be worth the effort. If it doesnt work in the omni it WILL work on a vehicle with a larger engine compartment!......like my van......

thanks guys
-jeff

[Sundance 6g72]

considering it will get used either way, its a huge success. you just have a bit more welding to do than something with individual bends. Its going to do its job, get exhaust to the turbo as efficiently as possible ! !

[Pat]

Nice! What material did you use?

[forcedfedmopar]

Its 1.5in inside diameter SS tubing. not sure on the thickness i dont have a piece infront of me. But it looks to be about the same thickness or thicker than other headers ive made.

[supercrackerbox]

Sorry I couldn't score some bent pieces. Even if I could have, we don't mandrel bend diameters that small.

[forcedfedmopar]

Sorry I couldn't score some bent pieces. Even if I could have, we don't mandrel bend diameters that small.

Adam i am more than happy with what you can get! Without your supply this stuff probably wouldnt happen! When your ready to go crazy on a charger were gonna build some awesome stuff for it!

[fishcleaner]

I can appreciate you efforts, that turbo will fit, here are some of my mock-up photos so you can gauge your turbo placement. Are you going to run power steering?

3799037991379923799337994379953799637997

my turbo has a .82 housing

[forcedfedmopar]

thank you! those are very helpful! No i am not running power steering. But I *think* it would clear a p/s unit with minimal work.

[forcedfedmopar]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0057.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0058.jpg
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http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0065.jpg

from the trans tunnel
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0068.jpg

all fitted in the car
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0071.jpg

looks like i will take it apart and get the primarys weled up, wrapped, and welded onto the flange. Im going to mod. the collector a bit to move the turbo 1/2in forward and 3/8in up. also going to angle it a bit so the bend for the down pipe wont be so tight.

-jeff

[Turbo224]

Sexy! Seems like a pretty good spot for a turbo!

[cordes]

That looks sweet! Dr. Octopus style for sure.

http://www.samruby.com/Villains/DoctorOctopus/Do----WideBlue.gif

[86seeS]

Good work alot of cuts and welds but looks good!

[omni_840]

That's awesome:nod:

Looking forward to seeing all welded up, are you TIG'ing it?

[forcedfedmopar]

Thanks guys. Hoping to have all the primarys welded up this week.

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That's awesome:nod:

Looking forward to seeing all welded up, are you TIG'ing it?

yes i am.

[Shadow]

Turbo placement looks awesome! You might consider running the other style starter which would put your wires on the bottom and give a little more clearance on top.

[forcedfedmopar]

well. I built another header. Moved the collector and primarys away from the starter towards the intake. Im really happy with this one. I will finish weld it this week and get the secondary made this weekend. Hopefully have the car back up and running next week!

Curious. Do you think the +40s and FWD stage 5 comp will work well with the air flow this turbo is going to produce?

[Shadow]

Should be good to 380-400WHP, you can adjust your cal for whatever fuel you need in that range, but you may only be able to run 22-25psi boost before having to go to 72's.

[turbovanman²]

Pics or it didn't happen, :eyebrows:

Looks like something Doc Oc would wear, hehehehhe.

Great job, :nod:

[1966 dart wagon]

very nice work, Cant wait to see the finished result!!!

[fishcleaner]

Your work will be well worth the effort, I finnally took my car up to 10# of boost in 3rd gear and it pulled like a freight train. Start thinking about opening up that intake and a 65mm throttle body is not too big.

[forcedfedmopar]

Thanks for the kind words. I hope it pays off. (10s) My projects are pulling me in so many directions its nice to focus on one at a time!

[forcedfedmopar]

ok, finally got some pics. was hoping to get further today but the lack of welding gas slowed my progress.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0392.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0393.jpg
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http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0397.jpg
i only got 3 our of 4 primarys welded and wrapped. i have to wait til monday to get argon.
-jeff

[forcedfedmopar]

got gas....more welding. hope to finish up tomorrow with the header, work on the oil drain and down pipe next.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0404.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0407.jpg
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http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0415.jpg

hopefully more tomorrow.

[forcedfedmopar]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0426.jpg
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http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0431.jpg

i hope to get the car down to the shop this week and test fit it. once i know for sure that its going to fit i will make my support brackets and finish wrapping it. Then ill make the down pipe and oil lines!

[cordes]

Why are you wrapping it?

I really like what you're doing with this and I can't wait to see how it turns out for you. Have you been putting it in the oven or anything along the way?

[forcedfedmopar]

im wrapping it to help underhood temps. Ive used wrap before and have been very sucessful with it. We used it on a turbo LSx car and when he gets back to the pits after making a 10sec pass you can put your hand on the turbo and piping! I hope this will be similar. Hopefully between the wrap and the heat shields it will help with the heat soak of the intake also. I have NOT been putting it in an oven. Its been bolted to the head while i did all the welding thogh and i let it cool before unbolting it. I can tell its warped about 2mm still. Nothing planing wont take care of tho. the flange is 1/2 thick so i have plenty to work with.

[cordes]

Thanks for the info. As I said, I can't wait to see how it turns out when you get going. I'm willing to bet you'll see great gains from it.

[forcedfedmopar]

I hope so! My worst fear is going through all this trouble and it not working! Thanks for the support, I hope to make more updates throughout the week!

[forcedfedmopar]

welp, took the car to the shop today!
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0474.jpg
put the header in
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0475.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0482.jpg
and it looks like this in the bay now
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0478.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0479.jpg
hope more soon. But i will be without the car for a few days. The chasis guy is puttn the cage in this weekend!

[Shadow]

Looks good. How much room do you have for the exhaust between the turbine outlet and firewall?

[roachjuice]

That's fukin awesome looking!!!!

[forcedfedmopar]

Looks good. How much room do you have for the exhaust between the turbine outlet and firewall?

there is about 4.75 inches between the turbo and the wall. about 2in from the "corner" of the booster. Everything will clear fine. I will most likely go with just a 3-3.5in down pipe and then 4in the rest of the way back. the i/c piping will remain 2.5

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That's fukin awesome looking!!!!

thanks! hope it works well too!

[Shadowjake]

INCREDIBLE WORK ON THE HEADER! I am amazed seeing all your time and effort turn into something so awesome. I can't wait to see the car run with it.

[Shadow]

there is about 4.75 inches between the turbo and the wall. about 2in from the "corner" of the booster. Everything will clear fine. I will most likely go with just a 3-3.5in down pipe and then 4in the rest of the way back. the i/c piping will remain 2.5


Deff Don't go less than 3.5"! It will hurt all the hard work that you've done so far!!!!

[omni_840]

Very nice! I love where the turbo is setting:nod: Are you going to build a turbo brace or is there already one I missed

[forcedfedmopar]

there will be mounting tabs on the turbo flange. also will be a support bracket from block to collector. Thin shilds will be between header and intake, down pipe and brakes, and turbo and throttle body, starter has a shield on it already (not pictured). the turbo will be wrapped in a blanket, the header is wrapped and the down pipe pass the K frame will be wrapped. I hope heat wont be an issue.

[turbovanman²]

That's fukin awesome looking!!!!

Gotta like this comment, :nod:

[Force Fed Mopar]

Looks like a PITA to work around :) Nice work though, should work good. I wouldn't increase the pipe size after the downpipe, would hurt the velocity it seems like to me.

[Shadow]

Looks like a PITA to work around :) Nice work though, should work good. I wouldn't increase the pipe size after the downpipe, would hurt the velocity it seems like to me.

Agreed, the merge of the turbine and W/G right off the turbo is the reason for running 3.5-4" exhaust. If this turbo did not have an internal W/G I would prob still be running 3" exhaust and dumping the W/G to atmosphere.

[forcedfedmopar]

dropped the car off for the rollbar install last night. hope to have it back in a few days!

[forcedfedmopar]

picked the car up tonight, pics

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0554.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0555.jpg
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http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0559.jpg

[Force Fed Mopar]

Nice!

[roachjuice]

What's that roll cage made of? Looks great!

[forcedfedmopar]

its made from steel tubing? not chrom-moly if thats what you were asking.

[Sundance 6g72]

shoulda went with titanium http://imgs.pbnation.com/smilies/dodgyrun.gif


looks good!

[speedfreek500]

Every thing is looking great, will this car be at SDAC this year? i woild like to see it in person.

Brian

[forcedfedmopar]

no, im not going to make SDAC this year. And since i didnt get into dragweek i guess i need to find an event to do this year with the car assuming everything goes well.

[Sundance 6g72]

*cough* import alliance *cough*

[Shadow]

Cage looks good, didn't know you could angle the side bars down so low or I would have done that with mine! (could have swore I read where it needs to pass by your shoulder and elbow at a certain hieght?) I'm jealous! :o

[forcedfedmopar]

i think for true NHRA class racing they would want that. esp if you are running faster than 10.0 (or approaching it) but for around here and the 7or 8 tracks that ive been to they could care less. Not to mention that with all the other safety equipment in the car they may just overlook it. plus its a street car, i wouldnt do high bars.

[Shadow]

I hear ya, I can still slide over mine no problem, but I like how yours just miss the door arm rests. Mine run right across the back third and leave a slight impression.

[roachjuice]

its made from steel tubing? not chrom-moly if thats what you were asking.

Yep thats what I was asking.

[forcedfedmopar]

so this weekend i built the 4in from the turbo back exhaust
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0566.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0576.jpg

new intercooler plumbing with HKS flange
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0572.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0571.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0577.jpg

Also modified the compressor housing with a new flange for the wastegate actuator. Also started on polishing the housing. which i didnt take any pictures of! doh. Im ordering harness, oil line and fittings and roll bar padding when im done on here. I hope to have the header plained tomorrow, and back in the car permenantly. I also hope to get then intercooler piping finished up tomorrow evening.

[turbovanman²]

Wow, your getting tons done, :nod:

[forcedfedmopar]

and more. stand mock up! going in tomorrow hopefully
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0581.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0582.jpg
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http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0588.jpg

[Sundance 6g72]

ill say it before its to late.. i dont like the spot for the first o2. i know the stock o2 is close to the turbo but you sure as hell are not stock

you think its a good idea?

[Force Fed Mopar]

ill say it before its to late.. i dont like the spot for the first o2. i know the stock o2 is close to the turbo but you sure as hell are not stock

you think its a good idea?

Why wouldn't it be? O2 doesn't care if you are stock or not.

[Sundance 6g72]

i was always told not to run an o2 that close to a turbo.. i know aem and prosport dont recomend it. mayne a narrow band is different

imbon my phine and it wont let me fix spelling

[black86glhs]

The stock O2 should be ok. If it was a WB, then I agree it is too close.

[forcedfedmopar]

its the stock o2. the wideband is 18in down stream near the bend heading to the trans tunnel

[speedfreek500]

Looking good, Did you need to rework the fire wall at all?

[forcedfedmopar]

Looking good, Did you need to rework the fire wall at all?

no everything fits in a stock bay. I did oval the pipe for extra clearance tho.

[turbovanman²]

The stock ox sensor is fine there, OE's want it close.

[Force Fed Mopar]

Yeah narrowband needs to be close to the merge point as possible, wideband should be downstream 18-24" IIRC?

[cordes]

Yeah narrowband needs to be close to the merge point as possible, wideband should be downstream 18-24" IIRC?

So they say. However many of us have run WB sensors in the SV housing with no issues. 5 Digits said that it's the way to go in a thread a while back. That's good enough for me.

[forcedfedmopar]

So they say. However many of us have run WB sensors in the SV housing with no issues. 5 Digits said that it's the way to go in a thread a while back. That's good enough for me.

Almost ever turbo vehicle ive worked on has had the stock o2 on or right after the hot side. I work on a alot of turbo cars (european) so i see if frequently. If its good for them its good for me.

Back to the task at hand. The flange got plained yesterday, test fitted everything on the stand and installed new studs in the head and then the header!!! Its in!! hope to have the exhaust side done tomorrow night from the turbo back.

[forcedfedmopar]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0589.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f98/forcedfedmopar/Omni/101_0593.jpg

i am very happy about with the final fit! Im going to drive it home thursday night!

[turbovanman²]

So they say. However many of us have run WB sensors in the SV housing with no issues. 5 Digits said that it's the way to go in a thread a while back. That's good enough for me.

What is? Running the ox sensor or wideband sensor that close? Wideband that close is a death sentence for it.

[Sundance 6g72]

i hope i didnt start a ---- storm :-(

it looks like hes running his narrow band at the start of the downpipe and his wideband mid way down which in my book is fine. i just wanted to make sure the wideband was in fact downstream because it is essencial to the survival of this motor!

[cordes]

I really like the brace for the turbo right there. Have you thought about using the other starter bolt to make a triangle and sure it up even more?

[forcedfedmopar]

I really like the brace for the turbo right there. Have you thought about using the other starter bolt to make a triangle and sure it up even more?

I made that out of 1/8th steel, its plenty sturdy so i never thought about tringulating it. The turbo is in and down pipe bolted on. I have to move the fron o2 sensor about 1 sensor width to the passenger side so my heater hoses have better access/clearance. No big deal tho. Everything else looks and fits extremely well. Im hoping to get my oil feed fitting today and start it up!

[Sundance 6g72]

:eyebrows:


how goes it with the ms3

[86Shelby]

Working heater...because street car.

[forcedfedmopar]

Working heater...because street car.

because economy car. I hope the header/turbo/4in exhaust doesnt hurt my 34mpgs.

[fishcleaner]

Looking good, keep the momentum up.

[Shadow]

because economy car. I hope the header/turbo/4in exhaust doesnt hurt my 34mpgs.

The Charger was getting right around 40 with the stock cam, dropped just a bit (prob around 35-36) with the F4 but I haven't "dialed" in the tune as well as it was on the stocker yet. Although, I'm still 3" exhaust on the street as I have a 4" dump. (really don't see the full 4" making any negative difference though)

Keep in mind that's Canadian gallons, so we get roughly 12% more. Add 12% to your 34 and we're pretty close.

[forcedfedmopar]

Started her last night!!!!! oh man does the F4 thought the header 4in and turbo sound different that in did before!! sounds like a race car now. lol

[cordes]

Started her last night!!!!! oh man does the F4 thought the header 4in and turbo sound different that in did before!! sounds like a race car now. lol

And yet there is no video evidence of such. For shame.

[omni_840]

And yet there is no video evidence of such. For shame.

I agree:D

[turbovanman²]

And yet there is no video evidence of such. For shame.

LOL, so true.

We need a vid or ban emoticon.

[forcedfedmopar]

sorry! ill try to get something together today. ive been super busy tryn to get it put together for a show tomorrow

[forcedfedmopar]

its so much faster than before! holy crap