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1BADVAN
02-05-2010, 01:11 PM
I am planning on getting an srt4 and have a few Questions i think i know the answers but i am just verifying

Can i put a A413 on it?

What starter do i need to use? and do i need to modify it?

Thanks

BadAssPerformance
02-05-2010, 02:34 PM
The bolt pattern is different so it wont directly bolt up... have to make custom mounts, etc like I did with the A568/2.4L in the Z. ... but you can get a 3-speed suto out of a 2.4L car and its pretty much the same.



And... I like to row, so I'm a little confuzed why?

turboshad
02-05-2010, 03:02 PM
To add.....if you use an A413 you need to use the flexplate/TC/starter for that trans and vise versa for a 2.4 auto. Same goes for the MTs.

BadAssPerformance
02-05-2010, 05:32 PM
To add.....if you use an A413 you need to use the flexplate/TC/starter for that trans and vise versa for a 2.4 auto. Same goes for the MTs.

Ummm... you can use a T-850 clutch with an A568 behind a 2.4L :D

srtlou
02-05-2010, 05:44 PM
yes you can run the a413 find one out of a 99-96neon you will need the auto starter and the Dust Cover you also have to cut the Intake Manifold and not run the spacer if you need some pics i can send them to you the srt with the auto is a monster and the v8 guys will really hate you when you spank them off the line

BadAssPerformance
02-05-2010, 05:55 PM
yes you can run the a413 find one out of a 99-96neon you will need the auto starter and the Dust Cover you also have to cut the Intake Manifold and not run the spacer if you need some pics i can send them to you the srt with the auto is a monster and the v8 guys will really hate you when you spank them off the line

Sounds like you have done this? Got a parts list with pics for our Knowledge Center? :eyebrows: Also, what trans number is the A413 in a neon? Its got a different number right?

srtlou
02-05-2010, 06:05 PM
yes i went to the auto becouse i keep breaking the input shaft on the t850 and i love the boost at all times with the auto i will try and get all the info i can and post it up


the cold side of the ic has to be cut and a new cold side pipe has to be made

turbovanmanČ
02-05-2010, 06:07 PM
Neon is a 31TH and its a LU trans. Internally the same as a turbo trans with a few minor differences.

As for bolt up, the 413 will bolt up but as noted, will require some mods to work properly just like putting a 568 on a 2.4 block. I think it would be better just to use the Neon trans, true bolt on and deal with the minor tweaking of the intake, which if you use the right intake, shouldn't be an issue, just look at the SRT intake, it clears the starter.

1BADVAN
02-06-2010, 09:48 PM
First Thanks for your input!

What i am thinking is that i already have a A413 with the good mods done to it so the money and time to modify it is better than finding a neon tranny and beefing it up. But i have a few questions.

First no one has actually listed what is needed to make the 413 fit and why the neon trans is easier. So what are the differences?
Do they both use the same axles, or would i need to swap those too?

Are the neon trans electronically controlled?

1BADVAN
02-06-2010, 10:02 PM
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs202.snc3/20969_1361833529252_1333997438_31044447_845910_n.j pg
I had to show what i picked up today the complete long block with 17k miles for $700 :)

turbovanmanČ
02-06-2010, 10:08 PM
First Thanks for your input!

What i am thinking is that i already have a A413 with the good mods done to it so the money and time to modify it is better than finding a neon tranny and beefing it up. But i have a few questions.

First no one has actually listed what is needed to make the 413 fit and why the neon trans is easier. So what are the differences?
Do they both use the same axles, or would i need to swap those too?

Are the neon trans electronically controlled?

Bellhousing bolt pattern is different, the front dowel doesn't line up but that top and rear do. Starter is at the front, TM-rear. Axles are the same. You can just swap the guts over to the 31TH, 31TH has LU, your's doesn't so you can just add the solenoid to plug the hole and leave it unhooked.

1BADVAN
02-06-2010, 10:28 PM
http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs202.snc3/20969_1361858849885_1333997438_31044557_3894275_n. jpg
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs202.snc3/20969_1361858969888_1333997438_31044560_7520256_n. jpg
So the guts of my a413 will swap over? How much like planetaries and all or what? So i can se the big bearing diff and RMVB out of mine?
Are they stronger than the a413?
I heard you Turbovanman are building one up can you give me the info please?
And how can i tell that it is the 31th or are all 2.4 autos the 31th?

Thanks

turbovanmanČ
02-06-2010, 10:32 PM
So the guts of my a413 will swap over? How much like planetaries and all or what? So i can se the big bearing diff and RMVB out of mine?
I heard you Turbovanman are building one up can you give me the info please?
And how can i tell that it is the 31th or are all 2.4 autos the 31th?

Thanks

Its the same trans internally, simply pull yours apart, the Neon trans apart and put your guts in the Neon trans. Just remember to measure the diff preload.

I am just redoing mine with a LU, so I have to swap the input shaft, get the hole drilled for the solenoid and add that to the VB. Going to run a 2000+ Neon converter as they are built with HD internals and bearings. The stall is lower but the torque I am making should make that a no lose situation.

Speedeuphoria
02-07-2010, 04:13 AM
wouldnt really worry about swapping guts other than the one planetary and the diff if you'd like

if you want to use the big bearing diff then you need that extension housing also

all 3 speeds that bolt to a 2.0's are 31th. Most 2.4's have 4spd autos that are electronic bolted to them. The newer neons w/ 2.0s got 4spds also iirc.

So best bet is to get a 95-00 neon trans as they will all be 3spd 31th's and bolt up to the 2.4

turbovanmanČ
02-07-2010, 04:55 AM
I have some Neon cases, :eyebrows:

1BADVAN
02-07-2010, 08:50 PM
I have some Neon cases, :eyebrows:

I would be interested but i bet the shipping would be more than a junk yard one

1BADVAN
02-07-2010, 08:52 PM
How can i identify the 31th trans? is there a plaque or a number on it?

A.J.
02-07-2010, 09:58 PM
How can i identify the 31th trans? is there a plaque or a number on it?

If you look at a Neon transmission or a '96 and up Caravan that has a 2.4 in it, look at the side of the trans facing the radiator. If there is not a plug that has about eight wires coming out of it, it's the 31th.

A.J.

turbovanmanČ
02-07-2010, 10:22 PM
I thought I told you this in a PM?

Either way, the 31th has an electrical connector by the dipstick, the 4 speed has a big block box up front.

1BADVAN
02-07-2010, 10:28 PM
I thought I told you this in a PM?

Either way, the 31th has an electrical connector by the dipstick, the 4 speed has a big block box up front.

you are right i am just stupid and i guess i didn't realize it

Thanks guys for all the tips

1BADVAN
02-07-2010, 11:18 PM
so does it have to be a DOHC motor for it to work or will the sohc work too?

ssheen
02-08-2010, 12:47 PM
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs202.snc3/20969_1361833529252_1333997438_31044447_845910_n.j pg
I had to show what i picked up today the complete long block with 17k miles for $700 :)

You Lucky SOB!!! ;)

I have been looking here and found one for 2500$ from a wrecker with out the intake. Needless to say I am still looking.

rbryant
02-08-2010, 01:00 PM
You Lucky SOB!!! ;)

I have been looking here and found one for 2500$ from a wrecker with out the intake. Needless to say I am still looking.

Include the PT turbo in your search. www.car-part.com usually has a bunch of them. It is the same engine except for the intake and the ECU programming. Mine was $1100 with the turbo, injectors, etc and it only had 900 miles on it before the car was totaled..

-Rich

t3rse
02-08-2010, 01:43 PM
I got mine for 500 sans intake and turbo/turbofold.

turbovanmanČ
02-08-2010, 02:21 PM
so does it have to be a DOHC motor for it to work or will the sohc work too?

Both got it, same guts, bellhousing.