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rx2mazda
12-07-2009, 08:21 PM
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rx2mazda
12-07-2009, 08:23 PM
Please insert caption here...................:eyebrows:







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DaveSkrab
12-07-2009, 08:38 PM
Blue Car's gonna need a Blue bottle to catch Old Man Pat.

92spiritrt
12-07-2009, 09:01 PM
i thought that you weren't going to post pics of it, and you were busting my balls about giving in on the big hp tiii thread:confused:

Pat
12-07-2009, 11:21 PM
Blue Car's gonna need a Blue bottle to catch Old Man Pat.

And a driver...


:lol:


Kidding aside, that car is going to be sweet when it's done.

turboshad
12-08-2009, 01:37 AM
Dang, you really are going 10s aren't you? Well I guess if you have to cheat and use a lighter car to get it done........

2.216VTurbo
12-08-2009, 01:40 AM
It's never gonna be lighter than it is right now, you're not gonna put a big heavy motor and trans in it are you:D?

Also, why do you have an Escalade rim laying in your yard Carroll?

turbo2point2
12-08-2009, 07:32 AM
:thumb: That is all...

rx2mazda
12-08-2009, 09:23 AM
Blue Car's gonna need a Blue bottle to catch Old Man Pat.

No bottle, I'm counting on his skinny old legs not being able to push down his new PP/clutch combo....;)


i thought that you weren't going to post pics of it, and you were busting my balls about giving in on the big hp tiii thread:confused:

At least I keep my pics up.lol


And a driver...


:lol:


Kidding aside, that car is going to be sweet when it's done.

Oh, we will see about that! :nx:


Dang, you really are going 10s aren't you? Well I guess if you have to cheat and use a lighter car to get it done........

Is an auto cheating to? :p




Also, why do you have an Escalade rim laying in your yard Carroll?

Had to make room for the 26"dubs.


:thumb: That is all...

:amen:

2.216VTurbo
12-08-2009, 09:36 AM
Carroll drives a soccer mom car, Carroll drives a soccer mom car:p...

Turbo3Iroc
12-08-2009, 10:45 AM
Oh great another sellout.







;):lol::D

turbo2point2
12-08-2009, 01:09 PM
Wiring diagrams...

rx2mazda
12-08-2009, 08:17 PM
Carroll drives a soccer mom car, Carroll drives a soccer mom car:p...

:lol:


Oh great another sellout.







;):lol::D

:nod: Plenty of room left on the bandwagon....lol


Wiring diagrams...

Thanks B!

rx2mazda
12-08-2009, 10:47 PM
Made some progress already.....

Whoever bought this car originally got the car rust treated it which really did a good job at keeping the rust away. Unfortunately, they put globs of that tar crap all in the engine bay:confused2: So i spent all day today scrubbing the tar with Kerosene trying to get the stuff off. PITA!!!! made progress though. Also removed the wiring harness and I am in the process of eliminating everything I don't need.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00815.jpg
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More car pics....man this thing is CLEAN!

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Pat
12-08-2009, 11:11 PM
Looking good!

contraption22
12-09-2009, 12:20 AM
Wow Awesome!

turboshad
12-09-2009, 11:55 AM
So are you doing a complete restore or just dropping in some power and a cage?

dds78910
12-09-2009, 12:23 PM
Man that thing looks nice!:nod:

iTurbo
12-09-2009, 03:20 PM
Very nice!

rx2mazda
12-09-2009, 04:47 PM
So are you doing a complete restore or just dropping in some power and a cage?

There's not much resto to be done. I will weld shut all the holes that are in the engine bay that I no longer need, sand prime and paint underhood(it will make my R/T underhood look like crap). I will remove the entire interior and clean it good(it doesn't need much). While the interior is out I will POR15 everything and add a cage. It will get the R/T brakes and new suspension. I had bought but never used all new Polybushing from Johnny for the R/T, he told me I could exchange them for Omni stuff(thanks again Johnny:clap:). Car already has a brand new fuel tank and I will be replacing the fuel lines with bigger ones. Still undecided on Fuel pump, twin walbros or A-1000 or other? Probably will get a new IC and sell my 3-core. Everything else after that........you can wait to see in person.

Here's a shot for Pat...............since he's gonna be seeing a lot of it at SDAC20 :D
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00820.jpg

turboshad
12-09-2009, 05:58 PM
Sounds like some fun. You should take a look at the Bosch 044 pump. Looks like it is a larger version of the 255 that doesn't peter out on the top end. SRT4 guys seem happy with it and I was considering putting one into an auxiliary race fuel tank I want to do.

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f187/bosch-044-660hp-fuel-pump-514531/

Austrian Dodge
12-09-2009, 06:07 PM
:thumb:
very popular in europe...most of the audi and cosworth guys have been using them for years with great success.

i'm currently building a fuel catch tank system with twin 044 inline pumps....should provide plenty of fuel!

rx2mazda
12-09-2009, 06:25 PM
Sounds like some fun. You should take a look at the Bosch 044 pump. Looks like it is a larger version of the 255 that doesn't peter out on the top end. SRT4 guys seem happy with it and I was considering putting one into an auxiliary race fuel tank I want to do.

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f187/bosch-044-660hp-fuel-pump-514531/

Thanks DJ. I was leaning towards running twin Walbros, one in-tank and one external. I may look at running the in-tank Walbro with the 044 external. That should provide all the fuel i'll ever need. Anyone running a external Walbro, how loud/quite is it?

Pat
12-09-2009, 06:48 PM
Thanks DJ. I was leaning towards running twin Walbros, one in-tank and one external.

I'm running that exact set up...it's loud, but it's not that bad. Next time you're down this way, come by the house. You can hear it for yourself.

Pat
12-09-2009, 06:50 PM
.

Here's a shot for Pat...............since he's gonna be seeing a lot of it at SDAC20 :D
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00820.jpg

I'm old Carroll...vision isn't quite what it was. What am I looking at?

rx2mazda
12-09-2009, 09:45 PM
I'm running that exact set up...it's loud, but it's not that bad. Next time you're down this way, come by the house. You can hear it for yourself.

Thanks Pat, I will. Seems like people are saying the Bosch pump is a little quieter and flows better obviously. Both are decently priced.

glhturbo1985
12-22-2009, 10:05 AM
Carrol,

is this your car? There was a guy in the Steel City Chapter trying to sell a Santa Fe Blue GLHT shell a while back. He was from Virginia IIRC. If so, now you have a few more pics.

rx2mazda
12-22-2009, 11:12 AM
Carrol,

is this your car? There was a guy in the Steel City Chapter trying to sell a Santa Fe Blue GLHT shell a while back. He was from Virginia IIRC. If so, now you have a few more pics.

Yes Dan, thats mine! He sent me those pics.:thumb:

Abkshelby
12-24-2009, 02:41 PM
Yep and I was the one selling the car. Glad Carroll is bringing it back to life.

rx2mazda
01-04-2010, 06:40 PM
Been making progress and hording parts. I got the wiring harness done and I will say that that was the most un-fun thing I have ever done to a car but, I'm so glad I did it. I owe a big thanks to DJ for answering some questions and his excel sheet, Jeremy aka iturbo for the L-body wiring diagram and Brian for answering some more questions and helping me trace some down circuits.:thumb: I ended up using the same power distribution box that DJ did from a crown vic. I search the junk yard for about an hour and in the end it was the perfect solution. Getting rid of the fusible link garbage really felt good. I took every wire I didn't need out the harness and in the end that was a lot. Here is what I started with......
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00836.jpg

Taking off all the old tape and loom is probably the worst/messiest part. After I had everything removed and triple checked, I test fitted it to the car - gave it power and crossed my fingers. EVERYTHING worked, light, heater, turn signals, wipers, gauges, etc so I was very relieved. To anyone doing something like this just take your time and take good notes, don't rush! Only thing left is to cut the starter wire, reverse switch and fan to length and add the connectors. Here is the test fitting and semi-finished harness.......
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00853.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00854.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00855.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00851.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00857.jpg


Car is in the Body Shop now getting some work on the A-pillars, all the holes i'm not using under hood welded shut and filled, and base + clear paint under hood and pillars. I had to go there today and remove the windshield. Windshield shop wanted to charge me $125 to take out and reinstall the windshield so, I went to Harbor Freight and got a trim removal tool and windshield removal tool for about $15 and took it out myself:amen:. I got a bunch of misc under hood parts being powder coated by Rob right now also. I will be picking up a new manual rack and coupler and tranny mount from a buddy in VA this week too. I hope to have the engine in the car this month. Hopefully things start moving really fast. more to come

turbokid
01-04-2010, 07:01 PM
already said it on the other site but very nice work!

turbovanmanČ
01-04-2010, 07:13 PM
Nice work, damn, :nod:

What are you going to use for engine management? What goal are you aiming for?



Thanks DJ. I was leaning towards running twin Walbros, one in-tank and one external. I may look at running the in-tank Walbro with the 044 external. That should provide all the fuel i'll ever need. Anyone running a external Walbro, how loud/quite is it?

I am running that setup, its quiet, can't even hear the external at all.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Sonywork127.jpg

turboshad
01-04-2010, 07:21 PM
That looks great Carroll. With my 12+ years of vehilcle wiring exprience it still took me close to a week and a half to finish mine. You're right when you say the best thing to do is take your time and take lots of notes. Fuse box looks like it tucks in there just nice. If you look close at my pictures you'll notice a mod I did to my fuse box that you will have to do to yours too. :thumb:

rx2mazda
01-04-2010, 07:31 PM
already said it on the other site but very nice work!

Thanks, it should look really good when i'm done!


Nice work, damn, :nod:

What are you going to use for engine management? What goal are you aiming for?



Thanks Simon, now send my paypal!:p What time did Pat run his last time out? yeah, faster than that for the "Grudge Match"! :lol:


That looks great Carroll. With my 12+ years of vehilcle wiring exprience it still took me close to a week and a half to finish mine. You're right when you say the best thing to do is take your time and take lots of notes. Fuse box looks like it tucks in there just nice. If you look close at my pictures you'll notice a mod I did to my fuse box that you will have to do to yours too. :thumb:

Thanks DJ! I'll get that FORD logo off there soon enough:nod:

omni_840
01-04-2010, 08:46 PM
Looking good!

This car deserves it's own project log :amen:

Shadow
01-04-2010, 09:31 PM
Been making progress and hording parts. I got the wiring harness done and I will say that that was the most un-fun thing I have ever done to a car but, I'm so glad I did it. I owe a big thanks to DJ for answering some questions and his excel sheet, Jeremy aka iturbo for the L-body wiring diagram and Brian for answering some more questions and helping me trace some down circuits.:thumb: I ended up using the same power distribution box that DJ did from a crown vic. I search the junk yard for about an hour and in the end it was the perfect solution. Getting rid of the fusible link garbage really felt good. I took every wire I didn't need out the harness and in the end that was a lot. Here is what I started with......
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00836.jpg

Taking off all the old tape and loom is probably the worst/messiest part. After I had everything removed and triple checked, I test fitted it to the car - gave it power and crossed my fingers. EVERYTHING worked, light, heater, turn signals, wipers, gauges, etc so I was very relieved. To anyone doing something like this just take your time and take good notes, don't rush! Only thing left is to cut the starter wire, reverse switch and fan to length and add the connectors. Here is the test fitting and semi-finished harness.......
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00853.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00854.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00855.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00851.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC00857.jpg


Car is in the Body Shop now getting some work on the A-pillars, all the holes i'm not using under hood welded shut and filled, and base + clear paint under hood and pillars. I had to go there today and remove the windshield. Windshield shop wanted to charge me $125 to take out and reinstall the windshield so, I went to Harbor Freight and got a trim removal tool and windshield removal tool for about $15 and took it out myself:amen:. I got a bunch of misc under hood parts being powder coated by Rob right now also. I will be picking up a new manual rack and coupler and tranny mount from a buddy in VA this week too. I hope to have the engine in the car this month. Hopefully things start moving really fast. more to come

So what electronics are you using? The harness looks like it's still L-body logic module/power module.

rx2mazda
01-04-2010, 09:49 PM
The harness looks like it's still L-body logic module/power module.

:confused:how's that?! There are no wire for the PM or the LM that goes through the passenger side firewall as seen in the first pic. Did we talk about this through PM when we did the injector buy?;)

Pat
01-04-2010, 11:20 PM
What time did Pat run his last time out? yeah, faster than that for the "Grudge Match"! :lol:




*Yawn* :D

turbo2point2
01-05-2010, 07:14 AM
Looking good:thumb: How long will it be out at the body shop?

Shadow
01-05-2010, 09:37 AM
:confused:how's that?! There are no wire for the PM or the LM that goes through the passenger side firewall as seen in the first pic. Did we talk about this through PM when we did the injector buy?;)

Ya ya :lol: I was obviously looking at the wrong pic!:banghead:

rx2mazda
01-05-2010, 10:29 AM
*Yawn* :D

:whip:


Looking good:thumb: How long will it be out at the body shop?

That's the $64K question! There doing the work on the side for me, when I went there yesterday they were pretty busy. It looks like they are gonna be the ones holding me up. If they take too long i'll just take the car elsewhere and pay full price:o. Feel free to start working on that cam thingy for me:D

rx2mazda
01-09-2010, 12:07 AM
The R/T is done.......R.I.P. On to smaller and lighter things......

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01344.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01345.jpg

turbovanmanČ
01-09-2010, 12:13 AM
RIP, :mecry:

rx2mazda
01-18-2010, 10:54 PM
Unfortunately, my friends with the body shop have gotten really busy with "real" work so my car has been just sitting. I really want to get my car together so I will be doing the engine bay prep/paint myself. I will be filling small holes with fiberglass, sanding, scuffing and getting it ready for paint. Once I get it all prepped my painter may be able to come in on the weekend and shoot it base & clear for me...if not, I will do it. Not really worried about it, it WILL turn out nice and once the TIII is in there most of it will be hidden. My friends gave me everything I needed to get the prep done which was really nice so. I plan to get a lot done tomorrow.

I have just about everything I need to get the car running now so I can't wait to make some progress. I cleaned and painted the tranny this week. A case of brake clean, some wire brushes, paint stripper, and a bunch of time gave me good results....

start......

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01359.jpg

after cleaning......

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01368.jpg

all done....

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01381.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01383.jpg

Not much of an update but, once the engine bay is painted things should go really fast.

turboshad
01-19-2010, 02:01 AM
Not much of an update but, once the engine bay is painted things should go really fast.

LOL, I said that once........a year later I got done. :p


Looking good Carroll.

rx2mazda
01-22-2010, 09:35 AM
Started sanding and filling holes and this beauty jumped out at me...........


http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01389.jpg
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http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01386.jpg

:eek::mad::banghead:....I was so PISSED, more at myself because I never caught it but, also because it was going to slow me down more. Murphy's Law! I read that this can be a "common" problem with the L'bodys since the sheet metal work is so poor. The shock tower is only held in place by spot welds so a big pot hole or torque from launches, etc could cause this to happen. Good news is I stopped by the Body shop on my way home yesterday to show my buddy the pics and they had cleared out most of the cars! He told me to bring it up today and he would come in on Saturday and fix everything up.:D He's going to go ahead and do the passenger side too while he's in there. Another good thing is that this happened before I put the motor in, that would have really sent me over the top.

Anyway, I went ahead and filled up all holes that I need and sanded everything good. Took all day and my arms are sore but it is going to be well worth it in the end. There is still some of that undercoating crap on the inner fenders in the hood channel but, I'm going to let the professionals handle that. I don't want to mess up the fenders on the outside trying to get it off. The fenders need to come off anyways to fix the A-pillars so they may just get repainted. Also, the paint came in yesterday too, it's purty and PPG. Here are some progress pics......

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01390.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01391.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01392.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01393.jpg
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http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01395.jpg
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http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01398.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01399.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01400.jpg

Hopefully, I will have some pics of it all painted soon.:eyebrows:

turboshad
01-22-2010, 11:22 AM
If there is one thing I wish I would have done it would have been welding all the seams in the engine bay and stich welding the interior. It's always good to catch that stuff in the early stages. Like you said, there would have been way more sweargin if you saw it after you had painted. :thumb:

rx2mazda
01-22-2010, 01:31 PM
If there is one thing I wish I would have done it would have been welding all the seams in the engine bay and stich welding the interior. It's always good to catch that stuff in the early stages. Like you said, there would have been way more sweargin if you saw it after you had painted. :thumb:

Yes but, there still was a lot of swearing! lol. We are going to double the amount of welds. Tomorrow should be a productive day.:amen:

turboshad
01-22-2010, 09:25 PM
I forgot to ask what color you were going with? Or are you doing the same lime green/gray gangsta style like you did to your spirit?

rx2mazda
01-22-2010, 11:34 PM
I forgot to ask what color you were going with? Or are you doing the same lime green/gray gangsta style like you did to your spirit?

:LOL:

Keepin it nice and simple with the Santa Fe Blue:thumb: I may airbrush my face on the door though...........:D

Shadow
01-23-2010, 04:39 PM
Lucky you caught it now. I'm going to be starting a log myself on a TIII L-body we're building for a buddy of mine. I'll post up what we do to all of the seems up front before putting any real HP through them. You should also weld the sheetmetal to frame seam on both sides, they can be worse than the towers!

rx2mazda
01-23-2010, 06:44 PM
Lucky you caught it now. I'm going to be starting a log myself on a TIII L-body we're building for a buddy of mine. I'll post up what we do to all of the seems up front before putting any real HP through them. You should also weld the sheetmetal to frame seam on both sides, they can be worse than the towers!

Cool, i'm sure that's gonna be a nice project with your help:thumb:. I'm not gonna weld the sheetmetal to the frame, just not enough time/money to do more extensive welding. Hopefully what we did today will suffice. If I had my own garage and a welder I would do more. I think once I add a cage and tie the strut towers to that everything will be nice and sturdy.

rx2mazda
01-23-2010, 07:35 PM
Made some good progress today. Got the car in and fixed the strut tower separation. We also reinforced the the passenger side strut tower. Added a extra spot weld in between each factory weld on both sides. After all the welding we wire wheeled, primered and undercoat underneath. Now I just need to paint underhood so I can get my motor in there. Here are some pics......


You can see I added a GLH-T decal kit from FWDPefomance and Bosch fog light covers in this pic...
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01405.jpg

Drilled holes for spot welds
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01406.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01407.jpg

All welded up....

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01408.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01410.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01411.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01412.jpg

In this pic you can see where the spot welds broke loose and the sheet metal is separated...
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01414.jpg

We used a tie strap and a block of wood to clamp the tower back down into place to be welded...
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01415.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01416.jpg

Here it is in position after welding it down...
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01418.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01419.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01420.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01421.jpg

I also wanted to seal up the area where the firewall and inner fenders meet the frame. There was a lot of ---- in there when I first cleaned the engine bay and I don't need a spot for wet leaves and dirt to hang out and start a rust party:amen:

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01424.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01425.jpg

Little more filler, putty, primer, sanding and she'll be ready for paint, etc!

iTurbo
01-23-2010, 07:52 PM
Wow it's amazing how far the car has already come! I wish my projects would move that fast. Car is looking great BTW. I'm afraid to look at my strut towers and inner fenders now..

rx2mazda
01-23-2010, 08:02 PM
Wow it's amazing how far the car has already come! I wish my projects would move that fast. Car is looking great BTW. I'm afraid to look at my strut towers and inner fenders now..

Thanks! To accomplish this speedy build - my bank account is shrinking exponentially......

92spiritrt
01-23-2010, 10:13 PM
looks great. i'm almost done pc'ing your parts. everything is blasted, so you should be seeing them soon.

Pat
01-24-2010, 08:56 AM
Looking good!

omni_840
01-24-2010, 11:20 AM
^^Agreed

turbo2point2
01-24-2010, 12:14 PM
Sweet!! Coming along nice:thumb:

rx2mazda
01-24-2010, 08:57 PM
looks great. i'm almost done pc'ing your parts. everything is blasted, so you should be seeing them soon.

Sweet, then I can put all the crap back on the motor and get it ready to install. :clap:

glhturbo1985
01-26-2010, 07:00 PM
I'm sure this'll be done for SDAC, Carroll. Very nice craftsmanship, as you've been told hundreds of times I'm sure. T3'n that thing will make every set of eyes at SDAC stare in awe. Best of luck with the bank account, lol. This hobby is can be more expensive than a drug addiction.

rx2mazda
01-28-2010, 09:37 PM
I'm sure this'll be done for SDAC, Carroll. Very nice craftsmanship, as you've been told hundreds of times I'm sure. T3'n that thing will make every set of eyes at SDAC stare in awe. Best of luck with the bank account, lol. This hobby is can be more expensive than a drug addiction.

So true! SDAC will be a blast..

rx2mazda
01-28-2010, 10:06 PM
Took one more step back on the car :(

I knew the bottom of the A-pillars needed a little work before I bought the car but, it didn't look bad. There was a small pin hole where it had rusted through on the passenger side and the drivers side was a little sloppy but no visible holes. Since the guys had gotten busy again, the plan was to just fix the strut towers and paint under hood so I could move forward with the engine install etc. I was gonna bring the car back once it was under its own power and let them fix the A-pillars then. That WAS the plan! I started prepping the windshield channel so I could have the windshield put back in when I found some Bondo near the drivers lowers corner of the channel. As I kept digging, I found a hole and rust and old welding slag. The channel had been repaired before but not good. The hole ended up being the size of a nickel with pitting around it, ---- never ends! So there was no way I was gonna re-bondo it and put the windshield back in.

Today we got it just about done! Cut out all the bad metal and made a new piece that we welded in. I forgot my camera so I don't have any pics but, I'll have some tomorrow. Only thing left to do is add some fiberglass and remold the bottom of the pillars and channel. The passenger side ended up being way better than the drivers side. There was just a small hole that we scraped to bare metal and welded shut. Hopefully we can get it painted this weekend so I can get it back to the shop and do the real fun work:eyebrows: I still need to put the fuel tank back in, run the 1/2 aluminum fuel lines, mount both external fuel pumps, install the motor and trans, put all the brake lines, prop valve, and new boost & master cylinder, wire the stand-alone etc, etc.....pretty much everything!

rx2mazda
01-29-2010, 10:39 PM
Not sure if anyone is even enjoying/following these body work updates but, here goes as promised...

Here is where we left off yesterday, got the drivers side hole patched.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01440.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01441.jpghttp://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01446.jpg


Fiberglass stage...

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01448.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01451.jpg

Putty stage......

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01454.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01456.jpg

Nearly finished, just one more light coat of putty and then primer!

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01460.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01459.jpg


Here's the passenger side going through it's stages...

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01443.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01444.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01447.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01450.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01452.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01453.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01455.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01457.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01458.jpg

Also cleaned out the entire windshield channel so I wouldn't have any "suprises" later. Overall, it was in really good condition. I got a lot of hands on experience working with my buddy. Best thing is he didn't charge me a dime:o. Said I just had to take him racing with me once I got it running. I am going to take care of him anyway. Only thing left to do is paint. Hopefully she gets painted on Monday/Tuesday so the fun stuff can begin.

Abkshelby
01-29-2010, 10:46 PM
I'm still glad to see this car coming back together. Rather surprised about that strut tower that had broke loose. I guess bad roads down here did that. This car never really saw any hard abuse as far as I knew. The windshield pillar rust is typical L-body stuff. But it should be perfect when your done. Wish I had access to all these bodywork people down here. I have to do it the expensive way it seems.

rx2mazda
01-29-2010, 10:53 PM
I'm still glad to see this car coming back together. Rather surprised about that strut tower that had broke loose. I guess bad roads down here did that. This car never really saw any hard abuse as far as I knew. The windshield pillar rust is typical L-body stuff. But it should be perfect when your done. Wish I had access to all these bodywork people down here. I have to do it the expensive way it seems.

Sweet! I looked closely at the pics I took before I bought the car and I could see that the strut tower was separated. I looked everywhere but there, this was my first L-body buy so I had no idea to check that area! I'm sure you never got that close to see it either and you were very honest about all the cars issues(however minor). I am more than happy with the car! We figure a hard bump at speed like a pot hole or something cause the separation. Now, get to work on ONE of your cars before a tree falls on them lol

Abkshelby
01-29-2010, 11:00 PM
Sweet! I looked closely at the pics I took before I bought the car and I could see that the strut tower was separated. I looked everywhere but there, this was my first L-body buy so I had no idea to check that area! I'm sure you never got that close to see it either and you were very honest about all the cars issues(however minor). I am more than happy with the car! We figure a hard bump at speed like a pot hole or something cause the separation. Now, get to work on ONE of your cars before a tree falls on them lol

HAHAHA. Oh I'm making some progress down here.
My good '86 Daytona turned into a free '89 Daytona Shelby I used to own.
Buddy wanted my '86 so I traded. (Gotta do a trans conversion though on the '86)
My Charger will hopefully come back to life this year.
I'm trying to make it to SDAC this year likely with my CSX may drive a Daytona though not sure.
I'm trying to keep up with your progress on the GLH.
It's going way faster than I expected and is great so far.
Keep up the good work! :thumb:

glhturbo1985
01-30-2010, 11:22 AM
We appreciate this thread. Only suggestion I have is to somehow have the GLH progess put in the projects thread. This truely deserves it's own thread.

I'm impressed with how fast the progress has come. I wish I could get my projects rolling along as quickly, but money and time are always the deterants.

omni_840
01-30-2010, 12:21 PM
We appreciate this thread. Only suggestion I have is to somehow have the GLH progess put in the projects thread. This truely deserves it's own thread.



+1 I mentioned this earlier in this thread:thumb:

rx2mazda
01-31-2010, 08:40 AM
We appreciate this thread. Only suggestion I have is to somehow have the GLH progess put in the projects thread. This truely deserves it's own thread.

I'm impressed with how fast the progress has come. I wish I could get my projects rolling along as quickly, but money and time are always the deterants.

Thanks for the kind words. It's still just "Another holset TIII"...lol.


+1 I mentioned this earlier in this thread:thumb:

I know I know, this car definitely deserves its own spotlight. I just like seeing the progression(of the powertrain)in one thread. BUT, I think i'm going to ask JT to move it into another thread! :clap:

Shadow
01-31-2010, 12:27 PM
Always little "surprizes" around every corner when your taking things this far apart. We went through all of this on the SC that we're TIII'ing over the last year so things will actually look like there moving pretty fast now because most of the "ground work" has already been done. Looking good! :thumb:

rx2mazda
01-31-2010, 06:48 PM
Coming soon.......

168glhs1986
01-31-2010, 07:37 PM
Coming soon.......

GLH R/T :clap:

cordes
01-31-2010, 07:51 PM
This should be good.

JohnnyIroc
02-01-2010, 01:16 AM
wow awesome progress the car is looking great :thumb:

turbokid
02-01-2010, 01:23 AM
Glad you moved it to its own p-log!
Looking good.
Wish I could do this to my car right now.
Q

contraption22
02-01-2010, 10:09 AM
Lookin good Carroll. Looks like we're all gonna be needing to step our game a little this year.

ScottD
02-01-2010, 10:57 AM
Good progress! I found brake clean to work well on getting the rust proofer crap out of engine bays. Never knew about strut towers being a potential issue on L-bodys.

rx2mazda
02-01-2010, 11:32 AM
GLH R/T :clap:

plates look good!


This will be good.

fixed! Thanks, lol


wow awesome progress the car is looking great :thumb:

thanks, can't wait to get it running/tuning


Glad you moved it to its own p-log!
Looking good.
Wish I could do this to my car right now.
Q

me too, it deserved it's own spotlight.


Lookin good Carroll. Looks like we're all gonna be needing to step our game a little this year.

thanks Mike! I think you and Brian are safe....Pat on the other hand :D


Good progress! I found brake clean to work well on getting the rust proofer crap out of engine bays. Never knew about strut towers being a potential issue on L-bodys.

Thanks! Well, now you know and knowings half the battle

rx2mazda
02-01-2010, 11:34 AM
Pat in 3....2....1....

2.216VTurbo
02-01-2010, 11:45 AM
GLH R/T :clap:

And Rampage R/T... Distant cousins? Be cool if they could meet at SDAC along with Baker's Rampage, Shdow's TIII Charger, Diogo's CSX:thumb: I musta missed at least 5 TIII conversions but that's all that came to mind before my morning coffee:o

ScottD
02-01-2010, 11:52 AM
Pat on the other hand :D

My money is on Pat :-)

Pat
02-01-2010, 12:20 PM
Pat in 3....2....1....





thanks Mike! I think you and Brian are safe....Pat on the other hand :D





Hey Carroll, I can't hear you. It must be because you're still over a second and a half and 23 mph behind me. Say it again when you catch up a bit. :D:D:D

contraption22
02-01-2010, 12:23 PM
thanks Mike! I think you and Brian are safe....Pat on the other hand :D




Pat is only $10 worth of jets behind me. LOL

Pat
02-01-2010, 12:38 PM
Pat is only $10 worth of jets behind me. LOL

...and a clutch. :(

rx2mazda
02-01-2010, 04:45 PM
And Rampage R/T... Distant cousins? Be cool if they could meet at SDAC along with Baker's Rampage, Shdow's TIII Charger, Diogo's CSX:thumb: I musta missed at least 5 TIII conversions but that's all that came to mind before my morning coffee:o

and Jackson's TIII Daytona, Jeremy's TIII GLH and Steve's TIII CSX....etc etc. That would be AWESOME!!! The TIII conversion section, I'll even let Pat park next to me with his UBERfast TIII shadow :eyebrows::clap:


My money is on Pat :-)

:mad: make sure you bring some money!:D


Hey Carroll, I can't hear you. It must be because you're still over a second and a half and 23 mph behind me. Say it again when you catch up a bit. :D:D:D

or the old age........ROTFLMAO. I'll put it on a bumper sticker that way you have a good view of it for 1320' BTW, I need to come see you this week/end so we exchange those parts.


Pat is only $10 worth of jets behind me. LOL

lol


...and a clutch. :(

You haven't gotten a clutch yet?!

Pat
02-01-2010, 05:42 PM
You haven't gotten a clutch yet?!

Not yet. I've been working on my house non stop for the last few months. Other than moving it out of the garage a few times, I haven't touched the car since I had it at MIR in the fall.

Let me know when you want to swing by.

Talk to you later....kiddo. :D

168glhs1986
02-01-2010, 06:01 PM
Carroll, are you caging it? Stock belts?

rx2mazda
02-01-2010, 06:19 PM
Carroll, are you caging it? Stock belts?

Yes I am! Thats the last thing on my mind right now though.

forcedfedmopar
02-02-2010, 08:45 PM
Paint pictures?:eyebrows:

rx2mazda
02-02-2010, 09:30 PM
Paint pictures?:eyebrows:

I wish. I stopped by there today to "shoot the ----" and see what was happening and all the bodywork is done, just waiting on paint. Car that was originally "ahead" of mine was done but, they had two insurance claims cars that they need done asap now(nothing big, just fenders and bumpers). I think it will get done this week! :nod:

Pat
02-02-2010, 09:46 PM
I wish. I stopped by there today to "shoot the ----" and see what was happening and all the bodywork is done, just waiting on paint. Car that was originally "ahead" of mine was done but, they had two insurance claims cars that they need done asap now(nothing big, just fenders and bumpers). I think it will get done this week! :nod:

I have my fingers crossed for you...with snow coming again, there will be more fender benders tomorrow.

Are you painting the whole car?

rx2mazda
02-02-2010, 09:50 PM
I have my fingers crossed for you...with snow coming again, there will be more fender benders tomorrow.

Are you painting the whole car?

Thanks, i know right! No, the paint on the car is really new and shiny, just blending the pillars and painting under hood.

turboshad
02-03-2010, 12:24 PM
I'm not coming to SDAC unless then GLH-R/T is there and completed. ;)

rx2mazda
02-03-2010, 12:48 PM
I'm not coming to SDAC unless then GLH-R/T is there and completed. ;)

Well then, what kind of beer you like? I'll have some in the cooler for ya...:D

rx2mazda
02-03-2010, 07:46 PM
Got my fuel tank done! Stock tank with gravity sump and 1/2" outlets. EDIT: Ordered tank sealer kit and tank paint from Eastwood, shop wanted too much to coat the inside and outside for me. I will be running twin Bosch 044 external pumps. One will run constantly and the second will come on at a set TPS% controlled by the ecu. Both pumps have a nice check valve which flow 66% more than the pump. I will be running -8 supply and -6 return lines. FPR is an Aeromotive unit.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01469.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01472.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01471.jpg


Huge thanks to Rob D for doing all my powder coating for me! He did excellent work on everything and shipping was super fast! I highly recommend his services. Waterpump housing and thermostat parts were blasted and then coated clear, everything else was done in gloss or satin black. Also got new Idler and Tensioner from Lengel, big thanks to him for making such a high quality piece for our motors. If you don't already have Lengel's parts, get them.:nod: I also got a NEW master cylinder and booster.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01476.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01474.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01475.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01478.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01477.jpg

"Top Fuel" Bender
02-03-2010, 08:11 PM
Looks good
Man you've been busy

Big stuff 3 ?

rx2mazda
02-03-2010, 08:20 PM
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01464-1.jpg

92spiritrt
02-03-2010, 08:50 PM
glad you're happy with everything. thanks for the free plug by the way. i'm getting layed off friday, so if you have anything else that needs to be done turn around time will be even faster.

rx2mazda
02-03-2010, 08:57 PM
glad you're happy with everything. thanks for the free plug by the way. i'm getting layed off friday, so if you have anything else that needs to be done turn around time will be even faster.

Damn, sorry to hear that man!:( But, look at the bright side....now we can get to work on that harness! Jackson is sending me one of his modified alt brackets to run the idler in the front. I may need that blasted and coated. Good luck on the job situation.

92spiritrt
02-03-2010, 09:16 PM
thanks, i knew it was coming so i have been prepared. hopefully work will pick back up soon. send it on up. i'm going to start up on the harness monday.

Cody
02-04-2010, 12:46 PM
For the fuel lines are you running hardline or braided?

turboshad
02-04-2010, 01:07 PM
8 coils and 16 valves.........now we're talking!!! :clap:

Vigo
02-04-2010, 04:16 PM
......ls7? :p i keed i keed.

rx2mazda
02-04-2010, 06:34 PM
For the fuel lines are you running hardline or braided?

Combination. Lines from the tank to the pumps, 1/2 and 3/8 aluminum hard lines from the pumps to the bay, and flex lite lines to finish. I can't afford to run lines from front to back now.


8 coils and 16 valves.........now we're talking!!! :clap:

Hahaha, only 4 coils will be used as i'm sure you already know smart ---! :p

rx2mazda
02-04-2010, 06:39 PM
This snow tomorrow is really gonna screw my chances of getting my car painted!!!!!!:mad::banghead::mecry::ballchain:

lengel
02-04-2010, 08:12 PM
This snow tomorrow is really gonna screw my chances of getting my car painted!!!!!!:mad::banghead::mecry::ballchain:

Good you need to slow down alittle lol. I cant keep up with all the parts you want me to make!:( Everything is really looking good. Cant wait to see this thing put together.

rx2mazda
02-04-2010, 10:52 PM
Good you need to slow down alittle lol. I cant keep up with all the parts you want me to make!:( Everything is really looking good. Cant wait to see this thing put together.

Thanks! Can't wait to Debut what your working on now!:eyebrows::clap::hail:

mopar4ever
02-04-2010, 11:23 PM
thats gonna be a sweet car

Lotashelbys
02-05-2010, 03:15 AM
In case you are wondering I modified your bracket buddy. I even scribed in a message for you that you can post once you recieve to show everyone:)

turbo2point2
02-05-2010, 07:14 AM
Looking good Carroll:thumb:

mcsvt
02-05-2010, 09:31 AM
Big Stuff? Who runs that ;) Progress is looking great!

rx2mazda
02-05-2010, 10:52 AM
thats gonna be a sweet car

I hope so, if I can ever get it painted.


In case you are wondering I modified your bracket buddy. I even scribed in a message for you that you can post once you recieve to show everyone:)

oh joy! Is it a rainbow with clouds on both ends?!


Looking good Carroll:thumb:

Thanks buddy :D


Big Stuff? Who runs that ;) Progress is looking great!

Chute whores and 16V lovers:p Thanks.

turboshad
02-05-2010, 11:19 AM
Chute whores and 16V lovers:p Thanks.

And here I thought you were going to say slow Americans.

rx2mazda
02-05-2010, 11:24 AM
And here I thought you were going to say slow Americans.

and Slowe Americans.....:lol:

rx2mazda
02-08-2010, 10:19 PM
I need a L-body engine mount set-up. Specifically, I need the mount that attaches to the engine block. LMK, thanks!

86Shelby
02-09-2010, 12:12 AM
which engine mount? passenger side or front?

rx2mazda
02-09-2010, 12:15 AM
which engine mount? passenger side or front?

Opps, forgot to edit this one...Passenger side!

86Shelby
02-09-2010, 12:23 AM
I could've swore I saw one while rearranging the garage. If I find it I'll let ya know.

rx2mazda
02-12-2010, 05:27 PM
Talked to the painter today, he's going to try and prime everything and paint the engine bay tomorrow. He's not going to paint the A-pillars and hood until later. At least this way I will be able to put the engine and everything back in the car and get it started and running under it's own power, then I can bring it back and get the outside stuff painted. If he doesn't get it done by Monday, I will be taking the car out as is:(. My friend needs the space at his shop with all these wrecked cars coming in from these blizzards. If he doesn't get it done he said he will give me the correct PPG paint so I can get it done elsewhere/myself. Keeping the fingers crossed on this one. Wish me luck!

"Top Fuel" Bender
02-12-2010, 05:55 PM
so close :banghead:

GOOD LUCK

rx2mazda
02-16-2010, 04:26 PM
so close :banghead:

GOOD LUCK

Yet so far away!:mad:

I know my car didn't get painted Saturday because I drove by the shop on my way to work and it was still sitting in the same spot outside. Also, my buddy hasn't called me to come pick it up. Maybe it's getting painted right now? I'm in Mississippi right now so I have no idea but, when I get back home I'm going to get my car..painted or not. I need some help, If you know anyone in the MD, D.C., VA, PA area that's willing to paint my car please PM me. Most shops are only doing insurance work and the ones that do custom/small jobs usually want to rape you. Any help info would be appreciated. Thanks :thumb: I can't wait any longer to get this car back together.

turboshad
02-16-2010, 04:31 PM
Well then, what kind of beer you like? I'll have some in the cooler for ya...:D

I'm doing my best to hold you to this. Don't dissapoint me ;)

rx2mazda
02-16-2010, 04:33 PM
In other news.....I got the last few parts I needed before I could drop the engine back in! Big thanks to Herb aka "Goose" for the new manual rack and coupler, tranny mount and engine mount. Thanks to my buddy Jackson for getting me his custom idler bracket so fast and on such short notice. All those parts are getting powder coated by Rob as we speak. I NEED MY CAR!

rx2mazda
02-16-2010, 04:51 PM
I'm doing my best to hold you to this. Don't dissapoint me ;)

No worries, it'll be running by then....may still be primer under the hood and a-pillars but, still running.:D

ScottD
02-16-2010, 07:59 PM
Most shops are only doing insurance work and the ones that do custom/small jobs usually want to rape you. Any help info would be appreciated. Thanks :thumb: I can't wait any longer to get this car back together.

Yup. When I had my R/T painted it took 10 months because the guy was doing it between breaks in insurance work. It was worth the wait though.

I did use another guy to do some work similar to what you're having done on my old Dakota Convertible. He did the work right away and had it done within a week. He's in Woodsboro, MD, which is kind of far for you but if you're interested PM me and I'll get you his info.

He might even be willing to paint flames on the car so it looks as good as Pat's ......

blk86trbo
02-16-2010, 08:05 PM
he might even be willing to paint flames on the car so it looks as good as pat's ......


lol :)

rx2mazda
02-17-2010, 09:37 PM
He might even be willing to paint flames on the car so it looks as good as Pat's ......

:lol:

rx2mazda
02-18-2010, 09:58 PM
GOT PAINTED TODAY!!!!:D:D:clap:

He just did the engine bay, cowl and inner fenders. Once I get the motor in and running I'm gonna paint the whole car. Found out today how crappy the "good looking" paint is....we had taped plastic over the windshield area pretty good so it would hold the weight of all the snow we were expecting, it held up good but, when we pulled the tape off the paint came with it! In Flakes:mad: If you look at the paint closely you can see very tiny "bubbles", doesn't look like bubbles, looks like sand under the paint. Paint guy says it's the acrylic breaking down and separating. Cheap --- Maaco paint.:eyebrows: NOW THE FUN CAN BEGIN! I should have the motor in soon.

Noticed my front motor was cracked so I fixed that today and sent them all to the powdercoaters. Motor will go back in once they get back.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01517.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01520.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01521.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01522.jpg

Got Jackson's modded idler bracket back from powdercoating so I was able to put the motor back together. New alternator, water pump etc. Measured for the serpentine belt and got one. I used a NK-990 IIRC, i'll double check that tomorrow. The motor mount that attaches to the engine needs to be shaved just a bit to clear the intake cam gear. You also need to shave a little off the L-body tranny mount to get it to fit the 568 tranny.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01525.jpg

Ready to drop in!
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01524.jpg


I'll post pics of the engine bay tomorrow, I haven't seen it myself yet - it was in the booth when I left. Gonna get the windshield put back in tomorrow too.

blk86trbo
02-18-2010, 10:02 PM
Carroll, I'm sure you've heard it a million times before, but that engine looks awesome...hope to see it in person some day :thumb:

turbokid
02-18-2010, 10:21 PM
Wow making some great progress!

omni_840
02-18-2010, 10:47 PM
Judging by the engine alone this car is going to look awesome:nod:

R/Tony
02-19-2010, 01:21 AM
Carroll, I'm sure you've heard it a million times before, but that engine looks awesome...hope to see it in person some day :thumb:

+2 !

that will really look killer inside that Omni, great project!!

rx2mazda
02-19-2010, 10:02 AM
Carroll, I'm sure you've heard it a million times before, but that engine looks awesome...hope to see it in person some day :thumb:


Judging by the engine alone this car is going to look awesome:nod:


+2 !

that will really look killer inside that Omni, great project!!

Ahh shucks, you guys are great!:D Thanks!

rx2mazda
02-19-2010, 10:03 AM
Wow making some great progress!

You aint seen nothin yet!:evil:

contraption22
02-19-2010, 10:23 AM
Hey... easy on the Maaco paint jokes. Mine lasted almost 10 years before it started flaking off. Not bad for $200 on a car i never expected to have this long! lol

rx2mazda
02-19-2010, 10:33 AM
Hey... easy on the Maaco paint jokes. Mine lasted almost 10 years before it started flaking off. Not bad for $200 on a car i never expected to have this long! lol

It's hit or miss with Maaco, most depends on the prep work as you know. But if you get a painter that is lazy or doesn't know how to reduce the paint etc..It comes off/looks like crap. My dad had a old pick-up painted white(the most forgiving cololr)by a guy at Maaco and it looked good and lasted great.

contraption22
02-19-2010, 04:51 PM
I agree with you there. Just like any body shop, you want to ask to see some recent jobs by the very painter that will be spraying your car.

92spiritrt
02-19-2010, 05:14 PM
the mounts didn't show up today. so you won't be getting the motor in this weekend.

rx2mazda
02-19-2010, 07:15 PM
the mounts didn't show up today. so you won't be getting the motor in this weekend.

Yeah I know, I checked the tracking # :( Oh well

rx2mazda
02-19-2010, 07:23 PM
As promised, here are the pics! I am very happy with how it turned out. I already started putting things back in, should have the motor in Wednesday/Thursday.

Before clear....
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01528.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01529.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01530.jpg

after clear...
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01531.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01532.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01533.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01534.jpg

turbokid
02-19-2010, 07:25 PM
That is pure sexiness!

92spiritrt
02-19-2010, 07:36 PM
looks amazing with all those holes filled in. wish i could do that with mine, but i'm not about to repaint the engine compartment.

contraption22
02-20-2010, 10:51 AM
WOW really looks great!

rx2mazda
02-20-2010, 11:53 AM
That is pure sexiness!

AGEED!


looks amazing with all those holes filled in. wish i could do that with mine, but i'm not about to repaint the engine compartment.

Thanks, I'm glad I took the extra time to fill and sand those holes. Definitely worth it.


WOW really looks great!

Maaco FTW! ;)

2.216VTurbo
02-20-2010, 11:54 AM
Here I was so proud when I rattlecanned the Rampage bay:o

How we supposed to follow dat Carroll?:p

rx2mazda
02-20-2010, 11:55 AM
Here I was so proud when I rattlecanned the Rampage bay:o

How we supposed to follow dat Carroll?:p

:lol: WHO DAT?!

92spiritrt
02-20-2010, 08:51 PM
here you go, fresh out of the oven and still a little warm. picture doesn't do them justice.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x82/92spiritrt/powder%20coating/100_0622.jpg

rx2mazda
02-20-2010, 09:31 PM
here you go, fresh out of the oven and still a little warm. picture doesn't do them justice.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x82/92spiritrt/100_0622.jpg

SWEET! Motor is on the floor waiting!:clap:

black86glhs
02-20-2010, 09:50 PM
Looking good! Man I like that color.:clap:

Dan15
02-24-2010, 03:08 AM
As promised, here are the pics! I am very happy with how it turned out. I already started putting things back in, should have the motor in Wednesday/Thursday.


You'll have the motor installed in under a week!!! :eek:

How are you lucky enough to have time to work on it so much?? :confused:

2.216VTurbo
02-24-2010, 11:21 AM
^Carroll is a trust fund baby I suspect:D Where do we sign up for the independantly wealthy lifestyle:eyebrows:? I want in!

rx2mazda
02-24-2010, 02:05 PM
^Carroll is a trust fund baby I suspect:D Where do we sign up for the independantly wealthy lifestyle:eyebrows:? I want in!

:lol: If I was a trust fund baby, I would be living in Cali and letting Aaron Miller do all my work! You know my lifestyle and how "glamorous" it is Alan.

black86glhs
02-24-2010, 06:23 PM
^Carroll is a trust fund baby I suspect:D Where do we sign up for the independantly wealthy lifestyle:eyebrows:? I want in!

Thats how I do my stuff. Trust funds FTW!!!

rx2mazda
02-25-2010, 10:56 PM
I had an eventful day today, part good - part bad. The good: I got the wiring harness, wiper motor assembly, brake lines and prop, grill & lights, manual rack, and engine & trans in.

The Bad: After fighting and staring while trying to install the motor and trans for awhile I figured out my L'body mount was NOT a L'body mount. My friend who gave the mount to me mistakenly gave me a G-body 525 tranny mount. That pushed the motor about 1 1/2" toward the passenger side and hangs the tranny a couple inches too low! I was able to get it in there but it's not right at all. He is sending me the correct mount tomorrow so it can stay how it is until then. Also, Pat tried to slow me down by giving me the wrong shifter cables....just delaying the inevitable. ;) Other than that, it looks GREAT! I got some more little things to do tomorrow that should really help the finished look.

ready to go. I dropped the K-frame and lowered the car on the motor. Didn't want to scratch the paint and I had to install the manual rack.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01537.jpg

In there like swimwear!

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01538.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01540.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01541.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01542.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01543.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01547.jpg

Here's the mounting issues

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01545.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01544.jpg

I'll post some more progress pics tomorrow!

JohnnyIroc
02-25-2010, 11:07 PM
wow man that looks awesome!

omni_840
02-25-2010, 11:23 PM
Coming along very nice:nod:

86Shelby
02-26-2010, 12:17 AM
Looks really good!

I must be a bit slow. I still don't understand how/why one goes about lowering the car onto the engine. I have never installed or removed an engine on a TM through the bottom except at the junkyard. Someone please explain the advantage to doing it that way.

black86glhs
02-26-2010, 12:48 AM
Looks really good!

I must be a bit slow. I still don't understand how/why one goes about lowering the car onto the engine. I have never installed or removed an engine on a TM through the bottom except at the junkyard. Someone please explain the advantage to doing it that way.

The guys that want to be rebels do it this way. Like all the kids who started smoking in high school because they were so cool.:p:D

JohnnyIroc
02-26-2010, 01:07 AM
Looks really good!

I must be a bit slow. I still don't understand how/why one goes about lowering the car onto the engine. I have never installed or removed an engine on a TM through the bottom except at the junkyard. Someone please explain the advantage to doing it that way.

i would imagine so u dont scratch up your freshly painted engine bay

turbo2point2
02-26-2010, 07:26 AM
Awesome! Spring debut for sure:thumb:

rx2mazda
02-26-2010, 09:39 AM
i would imagine so u dont scratch up your freshly painted engine bay

Bingo! Plus, it's a tight fit with a 568 & TIII, I probably would have had to take all accessory pulleys off to drop it in. Also, I needed to put the manual rack on the K-frame and this made it a lot easier.


The guys that want to be rebels do it this way. Like all the kids who started smoking in high school because they were so cool.:p:D

Well, yeah...that too;)


Awesome! Spring debut for sure:thumb:

Only if you start being my friend when i'm in Philly :D

forcedfedmopar
02-26-2010, 10:39 AM
Looks really good!

I must be a bit slow. I still don't understand how/why one goes about lowering the car onto the engine. I have never installed or removed an engine on a TM through the bottom except at the junkyard. Someone please explain the advantage to doing it that way.

i used to go out the top also. The last 3 or 4 ive dont have gone in and out through the bottom. if you have a cherry picker and the car on a hoist it makes life real easy. not any more work and you scratch less up.

blk86trbo
02-26-2010, 11:15 AM
Carroll, you should be commended for what you are doing to this GLHT. At one time I was mulling over whether or not to buy it, but you've put more time and cared for it better than I would have...I'm seriously glad you bought it :amen:

turboshad
02-26-2010, 11:42 AM
That's looking awsome Carroll :clap:

I got the official OK from the wife to drive down again this year so if nothing drastic happens I look forward to my ride in June. :eyebrows:

I feel the need to say this out of my concern for your safety, but my professional engineering opinion is that your tranny mount bolt may be too short. I usually like to leave bolts with this much stress and those types of bending loads on them at least 4" too long and it looks like you only have about 3" there. I just wouldn't want to see anything bad happen to you. :(

Turbo3Iroc
02-26-2010, 12:29 PM
i used to go out the top also. The last 3 or 4 ive dont have gone in and out through the bottom. if you have a cherry picker and the car on a hoist it makes life real easy. not any more work and you scratch less up.

I find it much easier like that also.

forcedfedmopar
02-26-2010, 12:31 PM
That's looking awsome Carroll :clap:

I feel the need to say this out of my concern for your safety, but my professional engineering opinion is that your tranny mount bolt may be too short. I usually like to leave bolts with this much stress and those types of bending loads on them at least 4" too long and it looks like you only have about 3" there. I just wouldn't want to see anything bad happen to you. :(

:lol:

rx2mazda
02-27-2010, 01:23 AM
Carroll, you should be commended for what you are doing to this GLHT. At one time I was mulling over whether or not to buy it, but you've put more time and cared for it better than I would have...I'm seriously glad you bought it :amen:

WOW, Thanks! I can't wait to drive this thing, it's gonna be fun!


That's looking awsome Carroll :clap:

I got the official OK from the wife to drive down again this year so if nothing drastic happens I look forward to my ride in June. :eyebrows:

I feel the need to say this out of my concern for your safety, but my professional engineering opinion is that your tranny mount bolt may be too short. I usually like to leave bolts with this much stress and those types of bending loads on them at least 4" too long and it looks like you only have about 3" there. I just wouldn't want to see anything bad happen to you. :(

Thanks DJ. I should be able to get that extra inch in there(that's what she said):lol:

rx2mazda
02-27-2010, 11:21 PM
Yesterday, I got some little stuff done. Mounted the AFPR, voltage regulator BB and master cylinder. I got some really slick wiring loom that I just love, totally wraps around itself and hides everything. BAD NEWS, found some rust under the heatshield in the tunnel:mad: It's about the size of a baseball.....will get that fixed soon. This week I will install the fuel tank and plumb the 1/2 & 3/8 aluminum hard lines. Jackson is sending me the SS button head allen bolts/washers so I can reattach the fenders and have it looking all shinny. I was planning on re-doing the VC's another color but, after seeing the current color combo in the car, I changed my mind. The black with red trim really looks good IMO. It matches the black and red trim on the outside well and my AFPR is red. Soon she will be ready to take a trip to Philly to get the finishing touches taken care of(crank trigger/cam sync, BS3, intake!)then I can DRIVE her home:eyebrows::D:amen:

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01550.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01551.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01548.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01552.jpg

Pat
02-27-2010, 11:23 PM
It's really is looking good. I like.

jl93sundance
02-27-2010, 11:24 PM
Looks great! Where'd you get the wire loom from?

rx2mazda
02-27-2010, 11:57 PM
It's really is looking good. I like.

Hey, I'm free tomorrow until 2 if you can come lmk

Simsy
02-28-2010, 11:49 PM
Carroll it looks absolutely amazing man! Thing is going to be badace:evil:

BTW what did you wind up doing with the Spirit?

Simsy
02-28-2010, 11:52 PM
BTW I think that color combo looks sweeett! :thumb:

rx2mazda
03-02-2010, 11:35 AM
Carroll it looks absolutely amazing man! Thing is going to be badace:evil:

BTW what did you wind up doing with the Spirit?

Thank man! The next time you throw away a beer can just think....it could be made from my Spirit.;)

turboshad
03-02-2010, 11:51 AM
Thank man! The next time you throw away a beer can just think....it could be made from my Spirit.;)

You had an Aluminum Spirit and you threw it out? That was dumb. :confused:



PS, engine looks kick a$$

rx2mazda
03-02-2010, 11:56 AM
You had an Aluminum Spirit and you threw it out? That was dumb. :confused:



PS, engine looks kick a$$

You had to keep pushing me, now I have no choice but to respond. Yes, my spirit was made from 6061, just couldn't stop the thing from rusting.:p

Thanks.....now I'll go respond to your "BSX thread" comment.:amen:

Simsy
03-02-2010, 06:55 PM
Thank man! The next time you throw away a beer can just think....it could be made from my Spirit.;)

:( but it was sooo nice

turbovanmanČ
03-02-2010, 07:19 PM
Damn dude, pure sexiness, :hail:

I am sure you know this but did you scrape off the paint when you installed the voltage regulator, they ground thru the case.




Looks really good!

I must be a bit slow. I still don't understand how/why one goes about lowering the car onto the engine. I have never installed or removed an engine on a TM through the bottom except at the junkyard. Someone please explain the advantage to doing it that way.

I find its easier, especially with a hoist. I can put the engine/trans assembly on a wheeled dolly, hook everything up, then lower the car/van, mounts, a few other odd's and ends, done.

Shadow
03-02-2010, 09:11 PM
Damn, your kicking our A$$! I need to get things in paint so I can try and keep up!

turbokid
03-02-2010, 09:51 PM
So wheres the progress :P
Looking good dude. Video is most definitely necessary

rx2mazda
03-05-2010, 07:08 PM
Making progress, slowly but surely! I got the correct L'body tranny mount in and now the motor is sitting like it should. Got the axles in, made the coupler for the manual rack, secured the fenders, installed the fuel tank, bleed the brakes and attached the shifter cables to the tranny so I can mark where I need to cut the holes for them. Not really much more I can do here at this shop so, off to Philly to let B.Slowe help me with the finishing touches.

Lengel sent me his BEAUTIFUL TIII intake so I can mock that up and see whats what. I didn't have it today when I was with the car but, it looks like i'm not gonna have room to add any extra runner past whats already there. It's a tight fit in the front of the L-bodies! Maybe Brian and I can get creative and figure something out...I'm sure in the end it will look/function great. I'm gonna mount the TB on the passenger side. So, only thing left is to wire up the BS3, mount the fuel pumps, bend the fuel lines, and put in a radiator & fan.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01560.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01559.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01561.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01556.jpg

2.216VTurbo
03-05-2010, 07:23 PM
That manifold looks sexier every time we see it:clap:. Did I miss the part how the plate on the plenum side was made:confused2:? I dont see any welds holding it on there?

rx2mazda
03-05-2010, 07:24 PM
Did I miss the part how the plate in the plenum side was made:confused2:? I dont see any welds holding it on there?

Yeah he just used a tiny dremel with a carbide bit and came from the outside. :p

rx2mazda
03-05-2010, 07:32 PM
Just for Alan!

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01564.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01562.jpg

Simsy
03-06-2010, 06:02 PM
Just for Alan!

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01564.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01562.jpg

:wow1::clap:

Twisted Noodle
03-07-2010, 12:12 PM
Carroll, this thread has been an inspiration. I'm going to get me an engine hoist at Hbr Frght today and start pulling sh.t apart

dds78910
03-08-2010, 01:44 PM
Man, I think you just kicked it up a notch with that intake. Nice!

rx2mazda
03-08-2010, 02:59 PM
Carroll, this thread has been an inspiration. I'm going to get me an engine hoist at Hbr Frght today and start pulling sh.t apart

Thanks and be careful!


Man, I think you just kicked it up a notch with that intake. Nice!

I wish I could take some kind of credit for the design and creation of this intake but, I just can't. Lengel's design and finish on the intake is AMAZING! He called me, told me what he had in mind and asked if I was interested. The machine work is perfect, every piece fits the other so tight that you cant even see a seem(ask Alan:lol:). It bolts to the head like stock or better, every bolt hole and port lines up evenly and precise. I can't even tell you how excited I am to have it(and his tensioner & idler)in the GLH-R/T. The next obstacle is making it fit in Omni, should be interesting. I ordered the radiator today from Summit. Wish me luck!

turbovanmanČ
03-08-2010, 03:06 PM
Wow again, speechless, :hail:

Shadow
03-08-2010, 03:59 PM
I'll bite, what's holding it together....crazy glue? (or the smoothest welds I've ever seen!)

turbokid
03-08-2010, 04:06 PM
I vote crazy glue

WLKivett
03-08-2010, 04:20 PM
static cling

rx2mazda
03-08-2010, 04:23 PM
I'll bite, what's holding it together....crazy glue? (or the smoothest welds I've ever seen!)


I vote crazy glue

Guess again! Cellophane tape, just on the end with the cap. If you look at the pic with the black backround you can see it a little hanging down.

Mario
03-08-2010, 04:32 PM
Nice intake.

Shadow
03-08-2010, 08:51 PM
Guess again! Cellophane tape, just on the end with the cap. If you look at the pic with the black backround you can see it a little hanging down.

How much boost were you thinking of running again? :confused2: Might just be me, but I don't think the tape is going to hold. :lol:

rx2mazda
03-08-2010, 11:45 PM
How much boost were you thinking of running again? :confused2: Might just be me, but I don't think the tape is going to hold. :lol:

I put two strips on each seem...I think I can run 10psi per strip at least.;)

rx2mazda
03-09-2010, 05:53 AM
So, I asked DJ to help me with intake port runner situation. It is very tight as i've said before....I wanted to get some ball park numbers on where I would be with the relatively short runners that I will running. I gave him a total port runner length of 8" which is the roughly 5 1/4" port in the head and the 2 1/2 runner length I have currently with the intake. I might be able to get an extra inch of runner length once I get everything mocked up which will help. Once again, DJ didn't disappoint. Here's what he came up with.:


Ok, so I dug up my intake book (Scientific design of exhaust and intake systems, Third edition. Philip H. Smith and John C. Morrison). Using Helmholtz theory for pipe organs, which gets you close, the equation is:

T=RPM*L/V

T= time for the pulse to travel from closed to open end and back in seconds
L= length of the pipe (runner)
V= speed of sound in the gas being used

The book converted T to be expressed in crankshaft degrees. They suggested the use of 90degrees but this term varies a bit with valve events. It also uses 1100 ft/sec for V which seems to be well used.

Using those numbers, a total port length of 8" equates to a 12375 RPM tuning frequency. Obviously you wouldn't be spinning that high but you could take advantage of the next harmonic which would be at 6188 PRM.

I found a good thread on speed talk which also references this book but they use 72deg instead of 90. This gives a tuned RPM of 9900. Once again you would take advantage of the 2nd harmonic which would be 4950RPM.

The next equation on that thread generalizes more to L=84000/N (N is the RPM) This equation gives a tuned RPM of 10500. You guessed it, using the second harmonic you get 52500RPM.

So you can see why I called it a bit of a crap shoot. But these get you close or at least give you a general idea. By utilizing the second harmonic, the pulse energy won't be as strong as if you were able to take advantage of the fundamental but there will still be an effect.

Here is the link and quote of the post in the speed talk article. It is on the third page.

http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1163


Yes there are some fairly simple formulas, one has already been mentioned in both a detail and working thumb form.

The Chrylser formula used in their patent application as presented in the 3 rd reference I posted ( Scientific Design of Exhaust and Intake systems ) lists it as:

L= ( 72 x C )/N { + / - 3 inches }

L = duct length (inches) from Plenum ( the first reflection point) to the back of the intake valve.
72 = constant ( probably derived from valve timing )
C = velocity of sound in air ( this is usually assumed to be about 1100 ft/sec)
N = Engine RPM for maximum tuning effect


=============
(simplified Chryser formula as specifed by the 1999 Hotrod Article posted by jacksoni written by Steve Magnante

L = 84000 / N

L = duct length (inches) from Plenum ( the first reflection point) to the back of the intake valve.
N = Engine RPM for maximum tuning effect


=============

Intake tuning formula posited by Gordon Blair in the 1964 Hotrod article:

L = (1100 x S) / N

L = duct length (inches) from Plenum ( the first reflection point) to the back of the intake valve.
1100 = assumed speed of sound in the intake tract
S = Number of crankshaft degrees after BDC until the intake valve closes up to a maximum of 75 ( any greater cam duration after BDC use 75 ----- is probably where the Chrysler formula comes up with the value of 72 )



Exhaust tuning formula posited by Gordon Blair in the 1964 Hotrod article:


L = (135 x S )/ N

L = length of exhaust pipe in feet from exhaut valve head to tip.
S = number of crank shaft degrees from Exhaust valve opening to intake valve opening. { this formula obviously tunes to enhance early cylinder filling by having the negative exhaust pulse arrive back at the port during the beginning of overlap to assist scavanging and start of air motion in the intake port}



==============

Exhaust tuning formula included in the 4th reference I posted:

Two Stroke Tuners Handbook

L = (Eo x Vs ) / N


L = Exhaust tube length in inches
Eo = Exhaust valve (port on a two cycle) open period in degrees
Vs = velocity of sound wave in ft per second usually assumed to be 1700 ft per second for the exhaust
N = engine rpm



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You might notice that all of these formulas have a very similar form even though they differ in small details. This reinforces that these are all ball park formulas that will get you close but not right on the best dimensions.
The Chrysler formula specifically mentions that you may need to adjust the intake tuning by up to 3 inches either way to get best performance.

The variations in these emphirically derived formulas only goes to show that you need to get the header / intake manifold tuning to work with what that particular engine package needs.




Billy:
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Thanks again DJ!

Twisted Noodle
03-09-2010, 06:07 AM
^^ good info.

2.216VTurbo
03-09-2010, 09:58 AM
Uh, I sat in the back of the class during school so when equasions are involved I kinda tune out but I am trying to understand why there is no place for port/runner/plenum VOLUME to plug in. Wouldn't the effect of the pulses change if the runners were the size of a drinking straw effecting the 'tuned RPM'?:confused2: Gah, math:(

turboshad
03-09-2010, 11:55 AM
Uh, I sat in the back of the class during school so when equasions are involved I kinda tune out but I am trying to understand why there is no place for port/runner/plenum VOLUME to plug in. Wouldn't the effect of the pulses change if the runners were the size of a drinking straw effecting the 'tuned RPM'?:confused2: Gah, math:(

I'm no expert on the subject and am still learning but this is my understanding. The original Helmholtz equation does include pipe diameter but it seems when it comes down to an automotive application it is simplified to length and this why I think that is.

The diameter, or even better, the cross sectional area, of a port is responsible for the velocity of the air flowing through it. Within your design you want to make sure these velocities don't get too close to sonic and choke the system. With regards to wave tuning, the theory is using a sonic shock wave created by the opening of the valve to refelct at the end of the runner and come back just before the valve closes, wether it be on the original valve event or one after. My speculation is that with the diameters used in an automotive intake this pressure spike will always cause a sonic shock wave which means the only concern is the length of time it takes that wave to go to the end of the runner and back which is soley dependant on length and the speed of sound in the substance. Hence you get a function of port length, time in crank degrees, and speed of sound. I'm sure if your runner were big enough there would be no shock wave, but then there would be no use for the equation since there would be no effects of wave tuning wihtout the wave.

It has also been noted by some people that Helmholtz breaks down with higher frequencies/RPM. I can always find people that talk about using different calculations but for the life of me I can't find these mystery equations. So short of software Helmholtz is all I have. If anyone else has or knows additional calculations that can be made for runner length please do share. I would be quite interested.

Dan15
03-11-2010, 10:48 PM
Hey its been like 2 WHOLE DAYS with no progress!?!? Whats up with that! :confused2:





:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Great work on everything! I'm always amazed when I look at your R/T's engine bay pics and this is even better! :hail:

rx2mazda
03-11-2010, 11:52 PM
Hey its been like 2 WHOLE DAYS with no progress!?!? Whats up with that! :confused2:





:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Great work on everything! I'm always amazed when I look at your R/T's engine bay pics and this is even better! :hail:

:lol:

Thanks Dan! I'm glad the attention to detail is noticed! This engine bay will be by far, way sexier!!! There hasn't been anymore progress.....at least not from me. My car is in Philly at Brian's shop. Hopefully I'll have a Big(pun intended)update soon.

Pat
03-11-2010, 11:56 PM
Did the bolts show up?

rx2mazda
03-11-2010, 11:58 PM
Did the bolts show up?

No :(

rx2mazda
03-13-2010, 12:03 AM
Thanks to Brian I can keep the updates rolling. He got two important mods done for me, the MSD cam sync and crank trigger for the BS3. Awesome work as usual.:amen: Hopefully next week I can spend a couple days at the shop and get some more real good progress.

For the cam sync, Brian made a aluminum cap that houses the small magnet and screws into the end of the exhaust cam. He made another cap the goes on the outside of the head and houses the actual MSD sensor.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/IMG_5037.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/IMG_5034.jpghttp://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/IMG_5033.jpg

For the 24 tooth BS3 crank trigger, Brian machined down the factory crank pulley so that the crank trigger press fit over it and mounts on the backside. He's gonna weld it together once it's all perfect.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/IMG_5036.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/IMG_5035.jpg

I you have any specific questions, I'm sure Brain can/will chime in. Still need to make a mount for the actual magnetic crank trigger pick-up and a ton more little ----.....Stay tuned! Thanks again for the pics B:clap:

glhs0426
03-13-2010, 12:54 AM
Hey! That tone wheel looks familiar. I did something similar on my truck.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa201/johnboy426/85%20D150/85Truck004.jpg

rx2mazda
03-17-2010, 12:24 PM
Spent almost 12hours at Brian's shop yesterday and left feeling like I didn't get anything done.:confused: I probably stared at the engine bay for more than an hour if you add it up. So little room for anything! Then I got Alan showing off pictures of his Rampage and all the room he's got for the custom rad/IC blah blah blah. :mad: Anyways, it's moving slow but it is moving.

I made a plate to attach the BS3 to the passenger side kick panel area out of some sheet aluminum Brian had lying around. Brian came up with the purty design you see.lol That attaches on top to the bolt that hold the dash, on the bottom to the stud for the factory LM, and on the front thru the fender area.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01585.jpg

Then I cut out the kick panel for a "flush mount" install. I really like the way it turned out.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01587.jpg

Figured out a place to mount the 044's and ran some 1/2 aluminum hard line to the back. Pumps are mounted under the passenger seat area.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01586.jpg

Started trying to figure out how the intake was going to work so I could have Lengel finish the injector bores, etc etc. Going to run the rail/injectors on the bottom of the manifold. Intake clears the hood as you see it sitting......barely:D. Radiator/IC mounting and plumbing is going to be interesting to say the least.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01589.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01590.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01592.jpg

Started the BS3 wiring also. I used the stock pass thru for the LM harness on the passenger side. Just trying to get an idea of where everything was going to go and what wires need lengthening. Looks like I only need to lengthen a few wires and everything else will work perfectly.:amen:

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01591.jpg

Ran into another problem of coarse. My L-body clutch cable won't fit my 568. It's too short. I hadn't seen any info in various L-body conversion threads about needing to change the clutch cable. Brian even said he put a 523 in a L-body and he didn't have to change anything:confused2:. After a bunch of searching, I found a post by Jackson that answered my problem....


Has to be a 91+ car. If you get one from a 568 car it will be the exact same. They are about a inch longer cause the release lever on a 91+ 568 is clocked farther from the trans. Some 523/543 cars are this way some are not. You almost should get one from a 91+ 568 car to be sure.

Jackson is gonna send me a R/T cable since I forgot to take mine off the R/T before I junked it!:banghead:

TO DO LIST:
1. Finish mocking fuel system and get needed fittings/hose
2. FMIC plumbing
3. Make mount for LS1 coils
4. Finish crank trigger

^^^This is more for my records. Hopefully I can get back to Philly and make some more progress this week.

Pat
03-17-2010, 12:55 PM
Ran into another problem of coarse. My L-body clutch cable won't fit my 568. It's too short. I hadn't seen any info in various L-body conversion threads about needing to change the clutch cable. Brian even said he put a 523 in a L-body and he didn't have to change anything:confused2:. After a bunch of searching, I found a post by Jackson that answered my problem....



Jackson is gonna send me a R/T cable since I forgot to take mine off the R/T before I junked it!:banghead:
.


Do you have the clutch arm from the L body? When I swapped to a 568 in my old GLHS, instead of sourcing another cable, I just used the L body clutch arm with the L body cable. Worked fine.

"Top Fuel" Bender
03-17-2010, 01:16 PM
Hey Chip Foose / Troy Trepanier wanna be
this is turbo-dodge land
knock off that Riddler / Sema quality crap
your making us look bad :hail:

yeah, found out the hard way doing Hoagie's clutch in the charger, you can get away grinding the arm too, the locating flat is one tooth off

rx2mazda
03-17-2010, 02:46 PM
Do you have the clutch arm from the L body? When I swapped to a 568 in my old GLHS, instead of sourcing another cable, I just used the L body clutch arm with the L body cable. Worked fine.

I read about that too but, nobody ever confirmed it worked. I got this car with no engine/trans so I don't have a 525 arm. Might be easier to do and save me from having to buy Jackson AYCE @ Hoooters SDAC for all the parts he's sent me......That little ----er can eat!:nod:


Hey Chip Foose / Troy Trepanier wanna be
this is turbo-dodge land
knock off that Riddler / Sema quality crap
your making us look bad :hail:

yeah, found out the hard way doing Hoagie's clutch in the charger, you can get away grinding the arm too, the locating flat is one tooth off

BENDER! Good to know, I may just modify my 568 clutch arm. Reeves and a few others say the L-body cable is weaker, so then it may just be better to run the R/T cable.......decisions decisions:D

BTW, thanks guys for all the comments, compliments, advise, criticism, etc....it definitely helps keep me going and enthusiastic about "finishing" this project. :( Sometimes I just want to sell it , walk away and go buy a Hybrid....I'm sure most people that have done a big build know the feeling.

rx2mazda
03-17-2010, 02:57 PM
Hey cable shifted L-body guys....What did you guys do about the hump that is under the console when mounting the shifter? Did you hammer it flat? Cut it out and weld a flat piece in? I plan to make a plate for the Rod shifter hole. Thanks!

Shadow
03-17-2010, 03:23 PM
Hey cable shifted L-body guys....What did you guys do about the hump that is under the console when mounting the shifter? Did you hammer it flat? Cut it out and weld a flat piece in? I plan to make a plate for the Rod shifter hole. Thanks!

We cut it out on Glenn's car and welded in a flat plate. I think most just hammer it down.

Simsy
03-17-2010, 04:05 PM
the car just keeps getting sexier and sexier!! great job once again Carroll :thumb:

turboshad
03-17-2010, 06:02 PM
I'm sure most people that have done a big build know the feeling.

Don't give up Carroll. Trust me, the persistance pays. :amen:

Now that that's said........shut up and quite your whining. You haven't even been working half a year on this thing. ;)

lengel
03-17-2010, 06:16 PM
Sooooo Jealous!!! This was my dream to have built TIII in a L-body. Carroll you are living my dream! LOL Looks amazing, Cant wait to see it in person. (maybe monday)

risen
03-17-2010, 09:05 PM
Ok, so I dug up my intake book (Scientific design of exhaust and intake systems, Third edition. Philip H. Smith and John C. Morrison). Using Helmholtz theory for pipe organs, which gets you close, the equation is:

T=RPM*L/V

T= time for the pulse to travel from closed to open end and back in seconds
L= length of the pipe (runner)
V= speed of sound in the gas being used

Thanks again DJ!

First off, great thread. It's a very impressive build you've got going on.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone done the calculations on length of runner with consideration given to the temperature of the air in the tract? In the equations I see in the post the speed of sound in air is always assumed to be constant. I had originally thought that the pressure/density of the gas would have an effect (I was originally thinking of helium's effect on your voice).

After reading the wikipedia article below it appears that it is actually the temperature of the gas through which sound is moving that has a effect on the speed of sound in that gas. I guess I could sit down and figure out how much error it introduces, but I was curious to know how if anyone has taken it into account. I suppose the humidity and fuel droplets also play a role, after looking through that article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound#Tables

badandy
03-17-2010, 09:11 PM
Making progress, slowly but surely! I got the correct L'body tranny mount in and now the motor is sitting like it should. Got the axles in, made the coupler for the manual rack, secured the fenders, installed the fuel tank, bleed the brakes and attached the shifter cables to the tranny so I can mark where I need to cut the holes for them. Not really much more I can do here at this shop so, off to Philly to let B.Slowe help me with the finishing touches.

Lengel sent me his BEAUTIFUL TIII intake so I can mock that up and see whats what. I didn't have it today when I was with the car but, it looks like i'm not gonna have room to add any extra runner past whats already there. It's a tight fit in the front of the L-bodies! Maybe Brian and I can get creative and figure something out...I'm sure in the end it will look/function great. I'm gonna mount the TB on the passenger side. So, only thing left is to wire up the BS3, mount the fuel pumps, bend the fuel lines, and put in a radiator & fan.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01560.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01559.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01561.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01556.jpg

That's so badass it's disgusting:faint:

rx2mazda
03-18-2010, 12:42 AM
We cut it out on Glenn's car and welded in a flat plate. I think most just hammer it down.

Cool, thanks Rob.


the car just keeps getting sexier and sexier!! great job once again Carroll :thumb:

Thanks, it getting there. now get yours going!


Don't give up Carroll. Trust me, the persistance pays. :amen:

Now that that's said........shut up and quite your whining. You haven't even been working half a year on this thing. ;)

:p I know, but i've put in some hard time in these few months!


Sooooo Jealous!!! This was my dream to have built TIII in a L-body. Carroll you are living my dream! LOL Looks amazing, Cant wait to see it in person. (maybe monday)

Thanks! Your intake is the highlight of my car(hopefully I can use it). Can you degree my cams while your there? :D

First off, great thread. It's a very impressive build you've got going on.



Thank you!


That's so badass it's disgusting:faint:

+1

Simsy
03-18-2010, 12:44 AM
mine is going pretty much lol..just needa install all the perf. parts when i get time

Lotashelbys
03-18-2010, 03:15 PM
Loooooooooser!!!!!!

rx2mazda
03-19-2010, 04:31 PM
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=639150#post639150

turbovanmanČ
03-21-2010, 01:09 AM
Loooooooooser!!!!!!

You guys need to get a room, :o

bakes
03-21-2010, 01:19 AM
or you could run a hydro boost from a m van or a diesel truck and have lots of room for turbos and stuff and have more brake boost preasure

Shadow
03-21-2010, 08:54 PM
Thanks to Brian I can keep the updates rolling. He got two important mods done for me, the MSD cam sync and crank trigger for the BS3. Awesome work as usual.:amen: Hopefully next week I can spend a couple days at the shop and get some more real good progress.

For the cam sync, Brian made a aluminum cap that houses the small magnet and screws into the end of the exhaust cam. He made another cap the goes on the outside of the head and houses the actual MSD sensor.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/IMG_5037.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/IMG_5034.jpghttp://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/IMG_5033.jpg

For the 24 tooth BS3 crank trigger, Brian machined down the factory crank pulley so that the crank trigger press fit over it and mounts on the backside. He's gonna weld it together once it's all perfect.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/IMG_5036.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/IMG_5035.jpg

I you have any specific questions, I'm sure Brain can/will chime in. Still need to make a mount for the actual magnetic crank trigger pick-up and a ton more little ----.....Stay tuned! Thanks again for the pics B:clap:

Thinking about doing this on Glenns car, but with the stock SBEC electronics. Pretty sure I get the jist of it, but do you have any more detailed pics of the two pieces apart? Also, guessing that I would need to match the TIII patern from the flywheel exactly. (unlike your which is fully and evenly notched)

minigts
03-24-2010, 07:50 PM
All this time and this is how he keeps it together.

minigts
03-25-2010, 09:26 AM
Just giving Carroll a hard time. :) Great to meet you Carroll and the car looks even more incredible in person! I only wish I were up there more often to help with the build.

contraption22
03-25-2010, 09:29 AM
Sorry I didn't make it down last night. I got wrapped up in spackling and caulking.

rx2mazda
03-25-2010, 10:02 AM
Just giving Carroll a hard time. :) Great to meet you Carroll and the car looks even more incredible in person! I only wish I were up there more often to help with the build.

LOL! Good meeting you too. Thanks for the cervesas!!!

minigts
03-25-2010, 10:58 AM
Sorry I didn't make it down last night. I got wrapped up in spackling and caulking.


I thought I heard some female voices in the background... ;) No problem man, we left 3-4 beers for you in Slowe's frig at the shop.


LOL! Good meeting you too. Thanks for the cervesas!!!

No problem, next time I'll buy a case and come down earlier. :)

Reeves
03-25-2010, 04:37 PM
Hey cable shifted L-body guys....What did you guys do about the hump that is under the console when mounting the shifter? Did you hammer it flat? Cut it out and weld a flat piece in? I plan to make a plate for the Rod shifter hole. Thanks!

I made a plate that goes over the hole for the rod shifter. Lay your cable shifter over that plate, and you will see that you can use one factory tapped hole, and the other 2 factory tapped holes will be used to bolt the plate down (flat heads). Then add 2 new tapped holes to the plate and you will have all 3 bolt holes in the cable shifter utilized.

I'm not real good at explaining things sometimes..... I can get a pic, but I probably won't be able to upload it until Tuesday. Vegas Baby!

Call me if you like!

BTW, very VERY impressive work! (I just found this thread.....I'm not good at keeping up on here either!)

rx2mazda
03-27-2010, 09:30 PM
I made a plate that goes over the hole for the rod shifter. Lay your cable shifter over that plate, and you will see that you can use one factory tapped hole, and the other 2 factory tapped holes will be used to bolt the plate down (flat heads). Then add 2 new tapped holes to the plate and you will have all 3 bolt holes in the cable shifter utilized.

I'm not real good at explaining things sometimes..... I can get a pic, but I probably won't be able to upload it until Tuesday. Vegas Baby!

Call me if you like!

BTW, very VERY impressive work! (I just found this thread.....I'm not good at keeping up on here either!)

Thanks Reeves.:thumb:

rx2mazda
03-27-2010, 09:31 PM
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/d4e28974.jpg















:eyebrows:

92spiritrt
03-27-2010, 09:51 PM
don't anyone get their hopes up, yet. i took the header back before carroll could put all the bolts in:D. and my thumb doesn't look broken.

but seriously, yesterday was the first time i saw this car in person. all of these pictures do not do this car justice by any means. keep up the good work carroll, and one day it may look as good as my car:p

Turbo3Iroc
03-27-2010, 09:56 PM
Is that the coil packs for the BS3 in the valley? Looking good....

DaveSkrab
03-28-2010, 01:47 PM
I can visualize where those coils packs came from.... I see them everyday at work at a Chevy dealer. Lookin Good!

rx2mazda
04-02-2010, 10:47 PM
Machined grill mod ftmfw!!!!!!

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Simsy
04-02-2010, 11:00 PM
vids asap!

rx2mazda
04-02-2010, 11:51 PM
Made some good progress today! Got the cable shifter in it's final resting place, also shortened the E-brake handle by 1 inch. Had fun Swapped the coil pins for the BS3 so the coils will fire correctly. Also, I made a cardboard mock IC from the dimensions of the FMIC I wanted to use to see if it would fit before ordering. It is very close to hitting the alternator so, I popped my "machining cherry" by machining my plastic grill......LMAO!!!! Brian said it was a new "low" for machining, lol. It did give me the clearance I needed for the FMIC and you can't tell it has been done = WIN, WIN. If I need more clearance we can machine the alt down a bit. Gonna order the core and make the endtanks. Precision 675HP core 24X8X3.5. Once the IC and pipes get here things should really speed up!

FMIC IS GONNA LOOK MEAN :thumb:
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01605.jpg



BTW, Got to take B's hybrid GT35 Daytona out for some spirited driving to see how the GT35 spooled on a 2.2. Felt amazing at only 15psi! A 6262 is looking really good:eyebrows: Thanks again for all the Help B:thumb:

bakes
04-03-2010, 12:32 AM
Sweet

cordes
04-03-2010, 12:48 AM
Made some good progress today! Got the cable shifter in it's final resting place, also shortened the E-brake handle by 1 inch. Had fun Swapped the coil pins for the BS3 so the coils will fire correctly. Also, I made a cardboard mock IC from the dimensions of the FMIC I wanted to use to see if it would fit before ordering. It is very close to hitting the alternator so, I popped my "machining cherry" by machining my plastic grill......LMAO!!!! Brian said it was a new "low" for machining, lol. It did give me the clearance I needed for the FMIC and you can't tell it has been done = WIN, WIN. If I need more clearance we can machine the alt down a bit. Gonna order the core and make the endtanks. Precision 675HP core 24X8X3.5. Once the IC and pipes get here things should really speed up!

FMIC IS GONNA LOOK MEAN :thumb:
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BTW, Got to take B's hybrid GT35 Daytona out for some spirited driving to see how the GT35 spooled on a 2.2. Felt amazing at only 15psi! A 6262 is looking really good:eyebrows: Thanks again for all the Help B:thumb:

What do you mean by "machine"? I hit mine with an angle grinder to clear the IC. If I had to do it again, I would have done the IC very differently.

Also, what IC are you using?

turbo2point2
04-03-2010, 08:20 AM
It is very close to hitting the alternator so, I popped my "machining cherry" by machining my plastic grill......LMAO!!!! Brian said it was a new "low" for machining, lol. It did give me the clearance I needed for the FMIC and you can't tell it has been done = WIN, WIN.

BTW, Got to take B's hybrid GT35 Daytona out for some spirited driving to see how the GT35 spooled on a 2.2. Felt amazing at only 15psi! A 6262 is looking really good:eyebrows: Thanks again for all the Help B:thumb:

It was a new low for machining, lol. But it needed to be done. Now that the IC is figured out, it's should go together much quicker.

Hope the Daytona gave you some motivation, you needed it:nod::amen:

OnLooker
04-03-2010, 09:25 AM
Can we get some pics of the shifter mounting?

Great looking car!!

Andy

pyrofenix
04-03-2010, 07:00 PM
A great looking car, nice job!

dusterdude
04-12-2010, 11:29 PM
:hail::hail: JUST AMAZING! keep up the good work this build has been a huge motivation for me.

rx2mazda
04-16-2010, 08:20 PM
Can we get some pics of the shifter mounting?

Great looking car!!

Andy

Sure. Don't mind the surface rust on the floors..:o. Thanks.:D
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01611.jpg


A great looking car, nice job!

Thanks!


:hail::hail: JUST AMAZING! keep up the good work this build has been a huge motivation for me.

Glad I could help motivate you, now shoot some back this way!:o





Got a big obstacle out of the way today.........the FMIC! That was really holding up progress so i'm glad we got it done. Now I can mount the rad and start doing some plumbing, etc. I am VERY happy with how it turned out! I was scratching my head about how I was gonna mount it, make it work and still look good and function.....With the help of Slowe, I think we accomplished all those.:thumb: I used the cardboard mock up I made to cut out the aluminum to make the end tanks, Brian welded them up for me. FMIC is a Precision 675 HP core.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/124e37cf.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/cca6009b.jpg

For the top IC mount we cut and threaded some aluminum rod to attach it to the core support.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01610.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01614.jpg

See how close the alt. is to the IC......

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01615.jpg

Here's how she looks from the front.........:love::love::love:(Don't worry Pat, you won't be seeing much of the front of my car:D)
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01617.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/rx2mazda/DSC01612.jpg

Anyway, TIME TO GET SERIOUS!!!! Keep the comments coming!

Pat
04-16-2010, 08:40 PM
double post

Pat
04-16-2010, 08:40 PM
Here's how she looks from the front.........:love::love::love:(Don't worry Pat, you won't be seeing much of the front of my car:D)!

Not to worry...I turned around and held up a mirror to see this picture. It still looks good from the view I'll have. :p

rx2mazda
04-16-2010, 09:10 PM
Not to worry...I turned around and held up a mirror to see this picture. It still looks good from the view I'll have. :p

LMAO, good one! See you manana

Pat
04-16-2010, 10:26 PM
Kidding aside, she's looking really good!