Hughes Trans came in!

[Stratman]

I bought Matt Leischer's A-413 trans from Hughes Performance and was finally dropped off to me this week. It looks like a tough unit. The transfer side, the top gear is 49T and bottom is 60T. The diff side has 21T pinion and a 60T ring gear. I believe he said the diff block was one that was made for him from Extreme PSI and was mild steel sent out and hardened. I worry a little about this type of set-up on a daily driver since it is metal to metal, maybe you other guys that run the diff block can give me some info on the reliability of these.
The valve body is just like the one I run now, the Turbo Action Reverse pattern manual.
It is also set-up with the 6 clutch packs.
He had it on his 16 valve 2.2 which he says was pushing close to 400 HP before he turned up the boost and wasted 2 pistons. He said it had around 1000 miles on it before it went down and he was running Type-F trans fluid in it, (any comments on Type-F fluid in these would be appreciated also). I'm not a trans guy at all, can someone tell me the final drive of this set-up, and if this looks like a stout trans.
Here are some pics.
http://www.turbofreak.com/hughesweb/hughestag.jpg
http://www.turbofreak.com/hughesweb/top.jpg
http://www.turbofreak.com/hughesweb/transferside.jpg
http://www.turbofreak.com/hughesweb/front.jpg
http://www.turbofreak.com/hughesweb/diffside.jpg
http://www.turbofreak.com/hughesweb/transfergears.jpg
http://www.turbofreak.com/hughesweb/transfergearsclose.jpg
http://www.turbofreak.com/hughesweb/diffblock2.jpg
http://www.turbofreak.com/hughesweb/diffclose.jpg
http://www.turbofreak.com/hughesweb/diffpinret.jpg

[BadAssPerformance]

Trans looks good. :thumb:

Whats up with Matt these days?

[Stratman]

Trans looks good. :thumb:

Whats up with Matt these days?

Doesn't seem like he's up to too much. He has a Ford Lightning, I'm not sure if he's working on anything or not. I only talk too him every once in a while since I now have 2 Hughes converters to tweak out now. He is a really cool guy to talk to!

[turbovanman²]

Looks like a regular tranny case. I don't see anything special looking at the outside. As for the PG insert look a like, ok on the street but useless drag racing. I have the pics of what happens when using one with slicks. The pump looks different but I can check mine tomorrow at work. The internals are where its at. I would run an external filter on the cooler line, I do and its saved my --- numerous times.

You have the 1.22 transfer gears so depending on your final drive, could be a fun one.

[Stratman]

Do you have the pics posted?

[Stratman]

Nevermind about the final drive, I figured it out. 3.50. I would still like to know about anyone using Type-F fluid, more on the Diff block, and how well the 6 clutch packs work.

[turbovanman²]

I used Type F, cheap mans race fluid. The fluid doesn't contain friction modifiers so it helps it shift harder.


Here are the pics, AB insert still let me do one legged burnouts, didn't know that until this happened-

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Broken%20parts/Canoncamerapics061.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Broken%20parts/Canoncamerapics062.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Broken%20parts/Canoncamerapics063.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Broken%20parts/Canoncamerapics064.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Broken%20parts/Canoncamerapics067.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Broken%20parts/Canoncamerapics068.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Broken%20parts/Canoncamerapics069.jpg

[Turbo Joe]

simmon those pics bring back alot of painfull memories. expencive one's too..

[turbovanman²]

simmon those pics bring back alot of painfull memories. expencive one's too..

Hahhha, but have you seen my new carnage?

[Stratman]

Thank you Simon for posting the pics!
Has this been a common thing to happen using these or does it have to do with weight or maybe the Type-F not lubricating well..etc...?
From what I've learned prior to this is that I want to continue using ATF+3 or higher in a daily driver and hope that this trans doesn't do the same as the one in the car already, such as a large amount of flare from second to thrid, but I believe the flare is from clutch pack set-up.
This is why I worry about the diff block. Does anyone believe I should remove it? Has these units help both wheels spin in a 2600 lbs or lighter vehicle?
That is one hell of a nasty mess to deal with!

When I was messing with it earlier, I noticed when I turned the axle the small spider gears above and below the block would slide up and down a small amount. All of the spider gears lokk really shiny and polished looking on the teeth like there is a crap load of friction, is that normal?
Here is a close up pic
http://www.turbofreak.com/hughesweb/spider.jpg

[turbovanman²]

I was using synthetic Dexron, :thumb:

I have also found fluid doesn't effec the flair, its the valve body, clutch clearance't that cause it.

I wouldn't hesitate to use one on a street vehicle that your not doing burnouts with. I believe there a cheap alternative to an OBX or Quaife, but I highly recommend STREET use only. Why don't you post up a thread, I am sure others are using them with no problems. My van does weigh 3520 lbs, :eek:

[Stratman]

I figured it was the clutch clearance on the present trans. It was set-up at the upper end of stock specs. When I installed the manual VB it was bad, but it has gotten worse. I do race this car at the track a few nights a year, but it's mainly with street tires and a small burn out only if there is no way around the water box. I have thought of getting some slicks, but my buddy Blueball sure does go through alot of transmissions without any tupe of diff blocker.

[turbovanman²]

I figured it was the clutch clearance on the present trans. It was set-up at the upper end of stock specs. When I installed the manual VB it was bad, but it has gotten worse. I do race this car at the track a few nights a year, but it's mainly with street tires and a small burn out only if there is no way around the water box. I have thought of getting some slicks, but my buddy Blueball sure does go through alot of transmissions without any tupe of diff blocker.

The insert won't help much. Better off just doing what your doing and then buying an OBX or Quaife. The OBX's work very well, I love mine.:thumb:

["Top Fuel" Bender]

What's that hanging off the vehicle speed sensor?

[BadAssPerformance]

Good question.. input for an aftermarket speedo? driveshaft dyno?

[Stratman]

Good question.. input for an aftermarket speedo? driveshaft dyno?

It looks like for an aftermarket gauge. I could use it for my logging for sure.

[Boogieman142]

i'd be kinda weary about using that metal on metal block, but thats just me

[Stratman]

Hey Everyone,

I installed the Hughes trany this past weekend. All I can say is this trany shifts seamlessly! From 2nd to 3rd is just as nice as 1st to 2nd. The torque converter ended up being somewhere around a 3600-3800 RPM stall and will spool the S70 up to 10-14 psi in 3 seconds before launching. The differential is tight and causes the tires to make a tremendous low pitch squeal in stereo when letting off the brake after stalling it to 3500 RPMs and the front end wants to slide left.
I raced my co-workers 420 HP Saleen supercharged 2006 Mustang GT 3 times Tuesday, First race was in his 3rd gear powerband and only pulled on me around 5-10 MPH faster. 2nd and third was around my powerband at 45 MPH to 85 MPH and the Mustang could not catch up. 3rd time, he didn't even want to try. My boost was 19 psi.
Now time to throw the .63 housing and 3 in on the car and go with it. Thanks for all your comments on the insert.

Chris

[Captain Chaos]

Hey Everyone,

I installed the Hughes trany this past weekend. All I can say is this trany shifts seamlessly! From 2nd to 3rd is just as nice as 1st to 2nd. The torque converter ended up being somewhere around a 3600-3800 RPM stall and will spool the S70 up to 10-14 psi in 3 seconds before launching. The differential is tight and causes the tires to make a tremendous low pitch squeal in stereo when letting off the brake after stalling it to 3500 RPMs and the front end wants to slide left.
I raced my co-workers 420 HP Saleen supercharged 2006 Mustang GT 3 times Tuesday, First race was in his 3rd gear powerband and only pulled on me around 5-10 MPH faster. 2nd and third was around my powerband at 45 MPH to 85 MPH and the Mustang could not catch up. 3rd time, he didn't even want to try. My boost was 19 psi.
Now time to throw the .63 housing and 3 in on the car and go with it. Thanks for all your comments on the insert.

Chris
Sounds sweet. What kind of car do you have?

[Stratman]

http://www.turbofreak.com/shelby.html

[Subliminal]

Nice ride!

[Stratman]

Thanks. Alot of work in that car.