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turbo2point2
01-16-2010, 04:27 PM
Here is a few shots of Dan Carson's suspension upgrades. The LCA's are being fitted with sperical bearings.

This shows the various parts for each arm.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee153/xlent251/omnisuspension002.jpg

This is the rear bearing housing. The steel part will be welded to the Kframe. The removable retainer ring allows for replacement if necessary.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee153/xlent251/omnisuspension003.jpg

This is the front assembly, 2 bearings a sleeve and an inner compression sleeve.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee153/xlent251/omnisuspension004.jpg

Next shows both assys. attached to the LCA.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee153/xlent251/omnisuspension005.jpg

And finally attached to the car.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee153/xlent251/omnisuspension007.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee153/xlent251/omnisuspension008.jpg
More updates to follow, next will be coilovers and camber plates...

omni_840
01-16-2010, 05:22 PM
Looks good!

Looking forward to the updates:nod:

t3rse
01-16-2010, 05:57 PM
autox car?

turbo2point2
01-16-2010, 06:06 PM
autox car?

Actually, drag only. But us straightline guys can really benefit from stuff like this;)

GLHNSLHT2
01-16-2010, 06:44 PM
you really should sell stuff like that. I love the spherical bushings in my 89/90 kframe. But being able to do it to the early cars (especially the Lbody) would really be awesome.

GLHNSLHT2
01-16-2010, 07:26 PM
I really like these. I'm interested in how the ride improves. It substantially improved when I did them in my 89 dual pivot setup. The thing would rip across railroad tracks at full throttle like they weren't even there. As well as the instant steering responses.

If the ride is noticeably better how much for enough parts to do 4 LCA's?

turbo2point2
01-16-2010, 08:49 PM
I really like these. I'm interested in how the ride improves. It substantially improved when I did them in my 89 dual pivot setup. The thing would rip across railroad tracks at full throttle like they weren't even there. As well as the instant steering responses.

If the ride is noticeably better how much for enough parts to do 4 LCA's?

Thanks for the compliment:thumb:
I am sure we will see an improvement. After I switched from the bushings on mine, I dropped .1 on the 60' and ultimately put the car on pace for it's current best.

I would like so much to sell these but, I really can't put a price on them as of yet for a couple reasons: I have to make sure the final design will stand up to the abuse. And I am not a vendor...yet(don't wanna step on toes). With that said, I will let you know if/when I decide to get a few sets out there.

turbovanmanČ
01-16-2010, 08:51 PM
Nice, :thumb:

Have you thought about using the Minivan control arms, they are the same but braced for the added weight of the van, :nod:

johnl
01-16-2010, 10:37 PM
Brian - great stuff.

OmniLuvr
01-18-2010, 09:16 PM
i have the mini control arms and i noticed a slight difference, i would love to add these bearings for sure!

rx2mazda
01-18-2010, 09:49 PM
Might as well do that to my car while it's there..........;)

Badger
01-19-2010, 01:53 AM
Simon makes a good point. I have said control arms on my rampage and they are much beefier then the stockers.

Brian would the mods your doing benefit an auto-x or road race car?

bakes
01-19-2010, 02:03 AM
Dam you should market this as a kit i would buy 2 sets !!!

turbo2point2
01-19-2010, 07:13 AM
Simon makes a good point. I have said control arms on my rampage and they are much beefier then the stockers.

Brian would the mods your doing benefit an auto-x or road race car?

Any type of car could benefit from these. Reducing compliance is just another piece of the puzzle. I can't remember what the mini control arms look lke, anyone got a pic?

GLHNSLHT2
01-19-2010, 03:33 PM
The biggest improvment for an early stub strut car over poly is going to be in ride I feel by allowing the suspension to articulate freely. There will be a small improvment in grip in a straight line and in cornering because the wheels will be able to follow bumps more. But not as much so as the gain is with a dual pivot because the stub strut has so much less bushing material that one with poly really holds the suspension in place.

something to think about though. When making this part of the suspension have no give in one direction you're going to transfer that force to another part of the car. Where? Either the kmember will flex or the body will. So adding bracing to other points is going to be something you'll want to look into.

I think Corner carvers really benefit more from this than straight line guys just based on putting spherical bushings into my 89/90 setup on my ShelbyZ. The car goes wherever you point the front wheels the instant you move them. I actually need to dial out .3 degrees of camber vs the PB poly bushings that were in there as the inside of the tire likes to scrub in the turns instead of being flat like it used to be. These and the Rod ends on my sway bar really help the car to hook up in the corners as well. I have to be fully cranked over at lock in 1st gear and stomp on it to even have the inside wheel THINK about spinning before the other. But 99.9% of the time both spin at the same time with my open diff. So much so that I've pretty much thrown the idea of a posi out the window at this point.

I'd love to see Brian make these. I'd rather pay for a good job than take time after work to make my own.

turbovanmanČ
01-19-2010, 03:35 PM
Any type of car could benefit from these. Reducing compliance is just another piece of the puzzle. I can't remember what the mini control arms look lke, anyone got a pic?

Exactly the same but braced, you can see the bracing, sorry for the bad pics, didn't want to drag it out.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Workcamera188.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Workcamera190.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Workcamera187.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/turbovanman/Workcamera191.jpg

OmniLuvr
01-19-2010, 05:44 PM
its really tough to see, but theres a brace before the ball joint, a brace around the bushing, and a brace on the other side of the sway bar (it goes from the side of the arm almost to where the sway bar mounts to the arm). i remember doing something wierd to make them fit, like using the l-body metal bolt bushing inside the rubber bushing, but they work.

GLHNSLHT2
01-20-2010, 01:15 AM
I just put in the ES bushings I pulled from my stock arms and bolted them right up. Didn't have to do anything to make them fit at all when I put them in my ShelbyZ years before going to a dual pivot setup.

SpoolinGLH
01-20-2010, 02:40 AM
Here's my polybushing rear sway bar...I also did a 4 wheel disc conversion from a Shelby Daytona

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/HollywoodFashionz/candles007-2.jpg

turbovanmanČ
01-20-2010, 02:49 AM
its really tough to see, but theres a brace before the ball joint, a brace around the bushing, and a brace on the other side of the sway bar (it goes from the side of the arm almost to where the sway bar mounts to the arm). i remember doing something wierd to make them fit, like using the l-body metal bolt bushing inside the rubber bushing, but they work.

They fit with no mods, maybe your K-frame was tweaked?????? :confused:

2.216VTurbo
01-20-2010, 11:26 AM
K frame and control arm upgrades FTW:eyebrows:

2 set of the Spherical kits for me please Brian

GLHNSLHT2
01-20-2010, 11:18 PM
alan why didn't you just add Minivan arms? Nice work though.

turbovanmanČ
01-21-2010, 02:17 AM
alan why didn't you just add Minivan arms? Nice work though.

Because he likes to wear those fairy gloves. :lol:

zin
01-21-2010, 09:00 PM
Man, I'm going to have to take a day off to catch up on all these threads!

Mike

GLHNSLHT2
01-22-2010, 12:39 AM
Because he likes to wear those fairy gloves. :lol:

I'm offended, I wear those gloves all day at work and when I work on cars too. Keeps your hands warm when it's cold and just slip them off and go, no scrubbing required.

OmniLuvr
01-22-2010, 02:26 AM
i think the mini vans use a larger diameter bolt that goes through the bushing, so i had to use the metal spacers from the l-body arms that go INTO the rubber bushings on the mini control arm.

t3rse
01-22-2010, 12:12 PM
I'm offended, I wear those gloves all day at work and when I work on cars too. Keeps your hands warm when it's cold and just slip them off and go, no scrubbing required.

Simon likes the extra lubrication and grit so he can add to his personal pleasure when he gets home :D

GLHNSLHT2
01-22-2010, 08:36 PM
:D:clap:

sy2206
01-22-2010, 09:02 PM
Brian would the mods your doing benefit an auto-x or road race car?

An auto-x car and/or road course application would benefit HUGE from this. Comp Coupe Vipers have a setup almost exactly like this. They use a production Viper A-arm, but have sphericals in all joints.

Keep in mind, these would not be so great on a street car. These type of bearings have no shielding, so water, dust, dirt, grime, sand, it can all get right in there. On a race car that sees little to no street time, these are awesome. For a street car, stick with poly.

turbovanmanČ
01-22-2010, 09:23 PM
Simon likes the extra lubrication and grit so he can add to his personal pleasure when he gets home :D

Hahhaa, its for the wife, not me, :eyebrows:

GLHNSLHT2
01-23-2010, 12:49 AM
An auto-x car and/or road course application would benefit HUGE from this. Comp Coupe Vipers have a setup almost exactly like this. They use a production Viper A-arm, but have sphericals in all joints.

Keep in mind, these would not be so great on a street car. These type of bearings have no shielding, so water, dust, dirt, grime, sand, it can all get right in there. On a race car that sees little to no street time, these are awesome. For a street car, stick with poly.

Ariel Atoms have them stock too. Also might help if you get some of these for street duty. http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/norm/sit-ws6250_grp_m.jpg

rich tideswell
01-28-2010, 10:09 AM
These type of bearings have no shielding, so water, dust, dirt, grime, sand, it can all get right in there. On a race car that sees little to no street time, these are awesome. For a street car, stick with poly.

you can buy boots for them


http://www.sealsit.com/rodend.asp

http://www.sealsit.com/rodendboots.asp

sy2206
01-28-2010, 01:09 PM
you can buy boots for them

http://www.sealsit.com/rodend.asp

http://www.sealsit.com/rodendboots.asp

Those are for rod ends, not sperical bearings.

Rod ends...
http://www.ktc-mainhorn.com.tw/pic/pro/rod-end01.jpg

Sperical bearings...
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00bezamJgcMWqd/Spherical-Bearing.jpg

The L-body upgrade like what we're loking at here used sperical bearings, not sperical bearing rod ends. Those boots would work awesome if rod ends were being used, but there's not way to attach them to a standard sperical. I'm sure a guy would find some solrt of rubber boot from something. McMaster-Carr may have universal boots that would work also...

turbovanmanČ
01-28-2010, 02:18 PM
FYI, I just put a minivan control arm on an 88 Daytona, no mods needed.



Ariel Atoms have them stock too. Also might help if you get some of these for street duty. http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/norm/sit-ws6250_grp_m.jpg


you can buy boots for them


http://www.sealsit.com/rodend.asp

http://www.sealsit.com/rodendboots.asp

So if you use those boots, you can use rod ends for tie rods for street duty?

GLHNSLHT2
01-28-2010, 09:43 PM
those boots cover the spherical bearing of the rod end, they can be used for the regular spherical bearing too. duh.

bgbmxer
01-29-2010, 02:45 AM
my build thread might be worth while checking out if ur into doing mods to the k frame and even rear suspension. i took lots of pics and maybe u can get some ideas

turbo2point2
03-23-2010, 09:06 PM
Time to update a bit. The car received all of it's suspension goodies. New Koni coil-overs for the front with a set of Rich Bryant's camber plates(these are super sweet!!:thumb:) to top them off. I made a strut tower bar late last week to finish it off. It uses two of the camber plate mounting bolts and reaches back to the firewall where it attaches with 2 bolts and is plated from the back as well.

Badger
03-23-2010, 09:20 PM
WOW....that looks awsome!!!

omni_840
03-23-2010, 09:23 PM
Looks great!

Who made that strut brace?

"Top Fuel" Bender
03-23-2010, 09:34 PM
Looks great!

Who made that strut brace?

the one and only Slowe :hail:
Looks like dodge and Shelby designed the car around the strut bar

omni_840
03-23-2010, 10:13 PM
the one and only Slowe :hail:
Looks like dodge and Shelby designed the car around the strut bar

Very True!

I would love to have one of those:nod:

rbryant
03-23-2010, 10:53 PM
Very True!

I would love to have one of those:nod:

Triangulating the strutbar to the firewall is definitely the best design.

My only concern is that the lbody firewall tends to crack out behind the exhaust shield under hard use.

I am not sure if the extra connection would help or hurt that problem. The backing plate is a great idea and is required for this type of strutbar.


-Rich

rbryant
03-23-2010, 10:55 PM
Now you just need one of these:

21323

21324

21325

-Rich

GLHNSLHT2
03-23-2010, 10:57 PM
lbodies aren't the only one's that do it. I've seen G and P bodies from all years do it too. Right where the tranny tunnel stops.

GLHNSLHT2
03-23-2010, 10:58 PM
Now you just need one of these:

21323

21324

21325

-Rich

now that's something I'd buy if the price wasn't too bad. I need 2 please.

rbryant
03-24-2010, 12:33 AM
now that's something I'd buy if the price wasn't too bad. I need 2 please.

They aren't hard to make.

The shipping would be fairly prohibitive and if for some reason someone broke one the liability might really suck.

-Rich

iTurbo
03-24-2010, 12:49 AM
Nice K-frame! I want.

rich tideswell
03-26-2010, 08:26 PM
post a "how to" on making that... looks sweet.

t3rse
03-26-2010, 09:53 PM
I thought he already had....wasn't there something weird with having to use one of the L-body attachment points?

rbryant
03-29-2010, 03:01 PM
I thought he already had....wasn't there something weird with having to use one of the L-body attachment points?

KC article: http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/vbarticles.php?do=article&articleid=98

The kcar is 1.5" wider on the front track so 1.5" has to be cut out of the center of the frame.

The kcar front passenger connection is offset relative to the lbody for some reason making it 2.5" wider than the lbody istead of 1.5" wider.

If you look closely at the passenger front connection point you can see that it had to be moved in about 1" from where it was on the kcars. We made an extension piece to accomplish this. The inside of the connection tower was cut, pushed backwards and re-welded in order to make room for the bolt that comes up through from the bottom side.

-Rich

contraption22
03-29-2010, 04:13 PM
Nice work guys!

rbryant
04-08-2010, 04:38 PM
now that's something I'd buy if the price wasn't too bad. I need 2 please.

I talked it over with the guy that made it and he would be willing to do a group buy. I started a thread in the general vendor area.

If you are seriously interested please read/reply in that thread.

I don't have pricing yet but I will work on it later tonight.

I need to get 5+ orders to make it happen.

-Rich

bakes
04-14-2010, 02:40 AM
Just to side track here but i would love to see someone step up and make a carbon fiber k frame.

turbovanmanČ
04-14-2010, 02:44 AM
Triangulating the strutbar to the firewall is definitely the best design.

My only concern is that the lbody firewall tends to crack out behind the exhaust shield under hard use.

I am not sure if the extra connection would help or hurt that problem. The backing plate is a great idea and is required for this type of strutbar.


-Rich

All our Dodge's do it, :( My van did, a Shadow I bought did it and around the left front strut area too, :mad:


Just to side track here but i would love to see someone step up and make a carbon fiber k frame.

Dude, that would be like $2000, no one would spend that, lol, a tube one will be a hard enough sell, :o

bakes
04-14-2010, 02:48 AM
ya but think about it a 5 Pound k frame.

Speed is a question of money, How fast do you want to go!!

LOL:eyebrows: