no auto trans writeup in kc?

[thefitisgay]

ok how bout we start with this... which year is the best auto trans for us? no swapping no nother best one hands down...

or how about this which is better the 85/6 auto trans i have sitting on my floor or a idk... 92?

[turbovanman²]

All that info is readily available. I will be doing up a KC article soon.

87 and up turbo and V6 trans.

86 and older are small spline and weaker TC mounting pads.

www.thedodgegarage.com

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3211

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3180

[thefitisgay]

thanks :thumb:

[Directconnection]

All that info is readily available. I will be doing up a KC article soon.

87 and up turbo and V6 trans.

86 and older are small spline and weaker TC mounting pads.


No advantage of an '87 T-I 413 over a '92 T-I?

I remember seeing the Phoenix Convention tapes and how Ed Peters talks about how the 555 improved from '87 to '89 I believe.

[TurboJerry]

My favorite is the '89+ turbo atx. They have the "V6" internals stock. Which is really just a moved snap ring groove on the direct drum. pretty much everything is interchangeable among the 31th series. other then that the big axles started in '87. The 4 bolt converter started in '86. The 3 bolt one only works with a 6 bolt crank & the pump with the notch type gears rather then the flats on the 4 bolt converter/pump setup...

[turbovanman²]

Don't forget then they got solid pinions, Neon's got cast planetaries-yuck and Dodge upgraded the front planetary to a 5 pinion.



No advantage of an '87 T-I 413 over a '92 T-I?

Nope, and maybe the 92 could be worse, see above.

[TurboJerry]

Simon you wouldn't believe it but the cast planets can go 8 seconds in the 1/4 ! I usually don't use the 5-pinion planets when the lube mods are done... I find the planets get starved for oil and that's the real reason they fail.

[turbovanman²]

Simon you wouldn't believe it but the cast planets can go 8 seconds in the 1/4 ! I usually don't use the 5-pinion planets when the lube mods are done... I find the planets get starved for oil and that's the real reason they fail.

Your right, :wow1: lol.

Well in that case, hmmmmmmmm, ;) How much does the car weigh? 50 lbs, :D

What lube mods?

[TurboJerry]

Lol The car weighed 2450 lbs & had nitrous on it also. There is one hole in the Valvebody & another in the output shaft & you're done. 50 psi lube instead of 15 & planets/bearings that hold together.

[turbovanman²]

Lol The car weighed 2450 lbs & had nitrous on it also. There is one hole in the Valvebody & another in the output shaft & you're done. 50 psi lube instead of 15 & planets/bearings that hold together.

Care to share? mine has to come apart as reverse is intermittant so might as well do that, ;)

[Dusty_Duster]

I've got an anecdotal story about my 1990 auto trans that you might find interesting.

The guy that did my motor swap sucked (long story). He forgot to install a clamp on the line going from the transmission to the cooler. One day, that line popped off, and transmission fluid went EVERYWHERE. I clamped the line, refilled the transmission, and there was no damage at all.

I read somewhere that the 3-speed FWD transmissions were basically front-wheel-drive versions of the 727 Torqueflite. Is that true?

[turbovanman²]

I've got an anecdotal story about my 1990 auto trans that you might find interesting.

The guy that did my motor swap sucked (long story). He forgot to install a clamp on the line going from the transmission to the cooler. One day, that line popped off, and transmission fluid went EVERYWHERE. I clamped the line, refilled the transmission, and there was no damage at all.

I read somewhere that the 3-speed FWD transmissions were basically front-wheel-drive versions of the 727 Torqueflite. Is that true?


If you pretty well shut if off right away, you won't do any damage.

I've heard the same rumour too, not sure if its true as nothing really interchanges.

[thedon809]

I read somewhere that the 3-speed FWD transmissions were basically front-wheel-drive versions of the 727 Torqueflite. Is that true?The way they are set up and work is pretty much the same.

[thefitisgay]

so its a baby 727?

[thedon809]

so its a baby 727?Basically. All mopar 3 speed autos from the late 80s and older are pretty much the same. The a604 is completely different. I believe it doesn't have any bands in it. From the outside it looks the same besides having the solenoid pack.

[Dusty_Duster]

Basically. All mopar 3 speed autos from the late 80s and older are pretty much the same. The a604 is completely different. I believe it doesn't have any bands in it. From the outside it looks the same besides having the solenoid pack.

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TorqueFlite), the FWD transmissions are derivatives of the TorqueFlite. So the internals are just based off of the TorqueFlite.

[thedon809]

That's what I said in post 13 ;). I have taken apart both right next to each other. The 413 looks like a shrunken 727.

[thefitisgay]

i thought torqueflight made them

[thedon809]

Torqueflite is just the name chrysler calls them. Chrysler makes them I think. 90's dodge rams with the 4 speed autos are also torqueflites. Basically a 727 with an overdrive unit bolted on the back.

[85lebaront2]

The A413 is really closer to an A904 (original aluminum Torqueflite). As for the name, Chrysler's first full automatic was called Powerflite and was a 2 speed unit, when it became obvious that more gears were needed, Chrysler engineers came up with the 3 speed unit and called it Torqueflite. The old cast iron Torqueflites are way different internally as far as the gear set layout than the later ones. Yes, Chrysler builds their own transmissions except for some of the Mitsubishi built cars and the Plymouth Cricket. They also provided transmissions to AMC after they switched from Borg-Warner units.

[Dusty_Duster]

Torqueflite is just the name chrysler calls them. Chrysler makes them I think. 90's dodge rams with the 4 speed autos are also torqueflites. Basically a 727 with an overdrive unit bolted on the back.

Correct. My '01 Ram 1500 has a 46RE. It is a TorqueFlite with overdrive and electronic (instead of hydraulic) control.

[turbovanman²]

Torqueflite is just the name chrysler calls them. Chrysler makes them I think. 90's dodge rams with the 4 speed autos are also torqueflites. Basically a 727 with an overdrive unit bolted on the back.

Yep and its the A518, my 75 B250 has one against a warmed over 360, works great, :D

[forcedfedmopar]

back on topic. When is this KC article going to be written? I have a 413 awaiting transformation.:nod: simon do you have a compete list of what parts you used? Any one have a $$ amout they spent on an upgraded trans?

thanks

[thedon809]

back on topic. When is this KC article going to be written? I have a 413 awaiting transformation.:nod: simon do you have a compete list of what parts you used? Any one have a $$ amout they spent on an upgraded trans?

thanksThe amount of money depends on if you are getting a high stall converter and/or lsd. For just the rebuild parts and little misc things, I paid around 500.

[thedon809]

Yep and its the A518, my 75 B250 has one against a warmed over 360, works great, :DThey get a bad rap because of stupid little sensor problems.

[turbovanman²]

back on topic. When is this KC article going to be written? I have a 413 awaiting transformation.:nod: simon do you have a compete list of what parts you used? Any one have a $$ amout they spent on an upgraded trans?

thanks

I will but its going to take some time, so maybe early next year, or earlier if I have half a day to write it and find all the part numbers.

[forcedfedmopar]

ok i guess i should have spcified. I ment w/o LSD and CONVERTER. Thoese are up to the persons choice. I guess i ment clutch packs, bands, valvebody ect.
Personally im going to go with the pelequin when i do mine so i know cost is looking close to 2200 all said and done but knowing that ill never have a problem with it is priceless to me.:dancingbana: more looking for the parts list and $$ of the inside.]

thanks for the quick responce.

[thedon809]

Here is the rundown of my setup.
racerstev rewelded and relined front band + modified kickdown piston + modded high gear return spring + alto clutch kit with kolene steels and all standard rebuild parts = 285 dollars.
Sonnax governer kit and beefed up strut were like 15-20 dollars.
I followed the directions on turbodiy for the valvebody, that cost like 5 dollars.
you can weld the pinions for the planetaries yourself or pay someone to.
I'm probably forgetting some stuff so add 100 dollars or so.