What trans did I get here? DUH!!!

[signsoflife22]

:confused2: Went to the yard yesterday and came home with a trans. I thought it was an a568. However, some people are telling me otherwise. They say it might be an a523. Can someone tell me what I've got? It came out of a non-turbo 1990 Shadow:
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568009.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568010.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568011.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568012.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568013.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568014.jpghttp://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568015.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568016.jpg
If anyone knows, that would be great. Also, if it's an a523, can I still install it in my GLHS?
And will it perform well?
Thanks,
Donnie:thumb:

[1984rampage]

What does that tag say? lol

[Big_P]

lol, +1

[signsoflife22]

What does that tag say? lol

It's extremely difficult to read. But will that tag say exactly which trans it is? I know it's an a523 or an a568. I'm just not sure which.

[ShelbyLancer282]

Its an A-523 Small Spline.

[cordes]

It's extremely difficult to read. But will that tag say exactly which trans it is? I know it's an a523 or an a568. I'm just not sure which.

Yes, it will say, and since it came out of a non-turbo shadow it is a 523 unless it is a warranty trans which is highly unlikely.

If it is a 92+ trans it is actually close to as strong as the 568s are. The build date will be on that tag and easy to read once you clean it up.

ETA: post up the final drive when you get the tag legible. I would be interested to know what it is.

[JohnnyIroc]

clean the tag dont be scared to ruin the writing on it either all the important info is indented

[signsoflife22]

Thank you all for the info. I'm happy to know that I got a trans that will actually work in the "l" body. And not only work, but perform the heck out of that paperweight of a 525!!!(lol)

[Force Fed Mopar]

A 520/555 would be easier to make work in the L-body, if you make/buy the brackets to use the stock shifter rods. I doubt it'll be much faster than w/ the 525, unless you had a tall-geared 525. It is a better design though.

[2.216VTurbo]

Got a 13/16ths closed end wrench? Will it slide over the splines of the output shaft? if yes=small spline 523. If no=large spline 523. Personally I prefer the 523 shift quality over the 568 anyway. Even the early 523's will handle plenty of torque:amen:

[86seeS]

555 is realy the way to go for an l-body (i think) but the 523 is a good traveling trans it likes the cruzin

[WickedShelby88]

523 is easier to put a limited slip in:p I loved the way the 523 shifted in the 91 Daytona I had a while back. That car would fly for an N/A. 555 isn't too bad either. I think you did okay Donnie!

[supercrackerbox]

Personally I'd never put a cable shifter in an L-body, so a 520/555 is my choice. But on the other hand, good 555s are getting scarce (I have a few shot ones) and the 523/568 definately is a better design simply because of the replaceable bearing on the gear shaft.

[DodgeZ]

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568012.jpg

After reviewing this picture I can tell you it is NOT a 520 or a 555

[2.216VTurbo]

I'm pretty sure the cast 5th gear cover (vs stamped) and the timing probe hole told us that it wasn't a 520/555 Kevin:p

[tryingbe]

A non-turbo 1990 Shadow would have a 18 spline small shaft A523. Plenty strong for what you want to use it for, just make sure you buy the correct clutch.

I would not hesitate to use it in your GLHS.

[DodgeZ]

I'm pretty sure the cast 5th gear cover (vs stamped) and the timing probe hole told us that it wasn't a 520/555 Kevin:p

I think you missed the joke....

[rbryant]

A 520/555 would be easier to make work in the L-body, if you make/buy the brackets to use the stock shifter rods. I doubt it'll be much faster than w/ the 525, unless you had a tall-geared 525. It is a better design though.

I disagree on the 555 being easier to put in an lbody.

It is easier and cheaper to drill a 7/8" hole (on the passenger side of the exhaust tunnel) and put in a 523/568/Neon shifter than it is to create a rod shifting 555. The existing lbody automatic shifter hole works fine for the other cable.

Granted making it fit under the console takes some additional work but it isn't that bad if you do it right using an automatic shifter base under the shfiter to plug the rod shifter hole and attach the console.

-Rich

[rbryant]

Personally I'd never put a cable shifter in an L-body, so a 520/555 is my choice. But on the other hand, good 555s are getting scarce (I have a few shot ones) and the 523/568 definately is a better design simply because of the replaceable bearing on the gear shaft.

Agreed and the cable shifted 568 shifts much better than the cable shifted 555 IMO.

Rod vs. cable shifting is a different argument.

-Rich

[DodgeZ]

I disagree on the 555 being easier to put in an lbody.

It is easier and cheaper to drill a 7/8" hole (on the passenger side of the exhaust tunnel) and put in a 523/568/Neon shifter than it is to create a rod shifting 555. The existing lbody automatic shifter hole works fine for the other cable.

Granted making it fit under the console takes some additional work but it isn't that bad if you do it right using an automatic shifter base under the shfiter to plug the rod shifter hole and attach the console.

-Rich

I've done both. making the rod shifter is easier.

[rbryant]

I've done both. making the rod shifter is easier.

I can't see it but to each their own.

I don't see how it could be faster or cheaper to do the rod end conversion. Drilling a hole is faster removing plastic end and cutting thread on each rod for the heim ends any day. Plus you then have to make and adapter for the transmission connector right?

Easier is all in what tools, skills, and knowledge people have.

-Rich

[DodgeZ]

I can't see it but to each their own.

I don't see how it could be faster or cheaper to do the rod end conversion. Drilling a hole is faster removing plastic end and cutting thread on each rod for the heim ends any day. Plus you then have to make and adapter for the transmission connector right?

Easier is all in what tools, skills, and knowledge people have.

-Rich
Much easier to rip out everything inside the car, cut up the car,drill holes in the car, toss out that unneeded heat shield and then enjoy the shifter that doesnt fit right..... F it, just toss out the center console and make the car a true POS. Dont forget that parking brake that is in the way.....

[Force Fed Mopar]

I can't see it but to each their own.

I don't see how it could be faster or cheaper to do the rod end conversion. Drilling a hole is faster removing plastic end and cutting thread on each rod for the heim ends any day. Plus you then have to make and adapter for the transmission connector right?

Easier is all in what tools, skills, and knowledge people have.

-Rich

I didn't say "rod end conversion", I said "brackets for stock shift rods " :thumb: I fabbed the brackets needed to use the stock rods in an hour or so, out of scrap angle iron I had laying around. Free and simple, works for me.

[rbryant]

I didn't say "rod end conversion", I said "brackets for stock shift rods " :thumb: I fabbed the brackets needed to use the stock rods in an hour or so, out of scrap angle iron I had laying around. Free and simple, works for me.

But the stock shifter and ends are one of the biggest things that suck about the 525... Well until you start making power then everything about it sucks.

The thing is not everyone has fab skills. To suggest to a beginner that it is easier to make a bracket and get the adjustment right is misleading.

-Rich

[rbryant]

Much easier to rip out everything inside the car, cut up the car,drill holes in the car, toss out that unneeded heat shield and then enjoy the shifter that doesnt fit right..... F it, just toss out the center console and make the car a true POS. Dont forget that parking brake that is in the way.....

My heat shield is completely unmodified. The process has been improved by simply putting the hole on the far side of the tunnel and using a cable from one of the longer setups (can't remember if it was a spirit or what it was).

It also gives the correct cable angle (coming back along the block and under the exhaust).




EDIT: Good KC article on cable lengths:

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/vbarticles.php?do=article&articleid=107

I used the Gbody selector cable to get the extra length on the selector to reach given that I put the hole on the far side of the exhaust tunnel. Shorter crossovers are better if using the automatic shifter cable hole so I used the pbody crossover.



The e-brake is also not in the way at all with a neon shifter. The center console fits just fine and attaches the only thing that you need to change is the shift boot because the shifter is taller.

Jeff Barnett's (I think I remember the name correctly) 555 conversion article from 10 years ago was a great starting point but it has been refined a lot since then.

-Rich

[supercrackerbox]

Ok, let's not start a pissing match here. Rich does make some very good points. I'll grant that when I made my rod setup, my job at the time allowed me access to a welder, tons of scrap steel, and any tool and die and manufacturing machinery you could want. Plus I love the fabrication aspect of building a car- I've made some crazy stuff with just a drill, hacksaw, bench vice, and a ball peen hammer. So I was kinda lucky, and my shifter setup worked out beautifully.

But the trans in question in this particular thread is a 523/568, and to my knowledge no one has gotten a rod setup to work with one of those. If someone has, I'm all ears. And I will admit that 568 in my '91 Daytona (which does have booger bushings) shifts almost as perfectly as the 555 in my Charger.

[DodgeZ]

My heat shield is completely unmodified. The process has been improved by simply putting the hole on the far side of the tunnel and using a cable from one of the longer setups (can't remember if it was a spirit or what it was).

It also gives the correct cable angle (coming back along the block and under the exhaust).




EDIT: Good KC article on cable lengths:

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/vbarticles.php?do=article&articleid=107

I used the Gbody selector cable to get the extra length on the selector to reach given that I put the hole on the far side of the exhaust tunnel. Shorter crossovers are better if using the automatic shifter cable hole so I used the pbody crossover.



The e-brake is also not in the way at all with a neon shifter. The center console fits just fine and attaches the only thing that you need to change is the shift boot because the shifter is taller.

Jeff Barnett's (I think I remember the name correctly) 555 conversion article from 10 years ago was a great starting point but it has been refined a lot since then.

-Rich

lets see the pictures from your install. 5 bucks says you don't have the console in the car. lol

[DodgeZ]

Ok, let's not start a pissing match here. Rich does make some very good points. I'll grant that when I made my rod setup, my job at the time allowed me access to a welder, tons of scrap steel, and any tool and die and manufacturing machinery you could want. Plus I love the fabrication aspect of building a car- I've made some crazy stuff with just a drill, hacksaw, bench vice, and a ball peen hammer. So I was kinda lucky, and my shifter setup worked out beautifully.

But the trans in question in this particular thread is a 523/568, and to my knowledge no one has gotten a rod setup to work with one of those. If someone has, I'm all ears. And I will admit that 568 in my '91 Daytona (which does have booger bushings) shifts almost as perfectly as the 555 in my Charger.

Well, I'd say it isn't a pissing match just yet. Of course half of the the problems I posted were avoided and not answered... either way installing a cable shifted trans isn't walk in the park. If you don't care about the car it isn't so bad. If you want a clean stock looking car it becomes a PITA. And to do the job right you need a welder.

http://boostedmopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6884
http://boostedmopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5770

[Force Fed Mopar]

But the stock shifter and ends are one of the biggest things that suck about the 525... Well until you start making power then everything about it sucks.

The thing is not everyone has fab skills. To suggest to a beginner that it is easier to make a bracket and get the adjustment right is misleading.

-Rich

Hell I'm a beginner when it comes to fab work :lol: It's not that hard dude, honestly. Only particularly special tools need is a welder, which I don't even have. I had a friend weld them up for me. Everything else was done w/ a Sawzall, drill and a grinder. Drove the car for a year w/ that setup, w/ no issues. The stock shifter ends are just fine if they are in good shape, if you have the upgraded crossover rod ;) I will agree that the early plastic snap-on ball-and-socket ends suck. W/ the upgrade rod, I drove the car hard for years w/o ever popping a rod end off.

I have the whole bracket setup on a shelf in the shop, I can take pics. It's not pretty (as I said, I'm a noobie fabber), but it worked. The second link in DodgeZ's post has pics of them installed on a 520.

It does take some thought and careful measuring to get everything where it needs to be, so if you're retard then yeah, stay away from it :nod: Otherwise it's much simpler to just make 2 brackets and use the stock rods (all arguments over cable vs rods and 520/555 vs 523/568 aside).

[86seeS]

:confused2: Went to the yard yesterday and came home with a trans. I thought it was an a568. However, some people are telling me otherwise. They say it might be an a523. Can someone tell me what I've got? It came out of a non-turbo 1990 Shadow:
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568009.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568010.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568011.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568012.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568013.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568014.jpghttp://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568015.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o208/signsoflife7/a568016.jpg
If anyone knows, that would be great. Also, if it's an a523, can I still install it in my GLHS?
And will it perform well?
Thanks,
Donnie:thumb:

and all he wanted was to know what tranny he got hahahahaha lol

[rbryant]

Ok, let's not start a pissing match here. Rich does make some very good points. I'll grant that when I made my rod setup, my job at the time allowed me access to a welder, tons of scrap steel, and any tool and die and manufacturing machinery you could want. Plus I love the fabrication aspect of building a car- I've made some crazy stuff with just a drill, hacksaw, bench vice, and a ball peen hammer. So I was kinda lucky, and my shifter setup worked out beautifully.

But the trans in question in this particular thread is a 523/568, and to my knowledge no one has gotten a rod setup to work with one of those. If someone has, I'm all ears. And I will admit that 568 in my '91 Daytona (which does have booger bushings) shifts almost as perfectly as the 555 in my Charger.

Hey thumbs up for keeping they discussion constructive! I know I am pretty opinionated and frustrating to discuss things with.

I would like to try converting cable ends to rod ends some time to see if that makes it an even cleaner shift with cables.

Like someone else said we went on a tangent here he just wanted to know what tranny it is...

-Rich

[rbryant]

lets see the pictures from your install. 5 bucks says you don't have the console in the car. lol

It requires the full sized arm rest console to cover things properly. I don't have it installed right now because I need to make the shift boot and I had it all out to put in a new carpet and wiring for an amplifier.

In my previous car I had the console installed and it was perfectly clean. I drilled holes in the corners of the full console and in the middle of each side of the rectangle. I then took the neon boot and put holes through the rubber in the right places and screwed it into the holes I made in the console. It fit tightly and looked just as good as stock. The mounting of the console was perfect because it used the automatic shifter base under the shifter to both position it and hold it in place. The shifter its self is then bolted to the floor not welded.

-Rich

[DodgeZ]

It requires the full sized arm rest console to cover things properly. I don't have it installed right now because I need to make the shift boot and I had it all out to put in a new carpet and wiring for an amplifier.
:bump2:


In my previous car I had the console installed and it was perfectly clean. I drilled holes in the corners of the full console and in the middle of each side of the rectangle. I then took the neon boot and put holes through the rubber in the right places and screwed it into the holes I made in the console. It fit tightly and looked just as good as stock. The mounting of the console was perfect because it used the automatic shifter base under the shifter to both position it and hold it in place. The shifter its self is then bolted to the floor not welded.

-Rich


seems like a lot of work... what did you do for the dog bone??? just bolt it up :thumb:

[86seeS]

i converted my glhs to cable fit perfect just have to use angled shifter (not pictured)

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/hud91686/IMG_0683.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/hud91686/IMG_0681.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/hud91686/IMG_0690.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/hud91686/Mobile%20Uploads/1118091449.jpg

[t3rse]

melted shift cables are fun :nod:

[86seeS]

melted shift cables are fun :nod:

exhaust is heat wraped and so are the cables

[DodgeZ]

exhaust is heat wraped and so are the cables

How much is that stuff a roll these days?? and those metal zip ties? Why is the console missing the screw and did you add a new screw? why is the console poking up so much? How did it feel to cut up your numbered Shelby car? What gear is the car in? It doesn't look like the "bent" shadow shifter in your pictures. Have you ever "punched" the dash while speed shifting in to 3rd? How long are your arms? do you have to unbuckle to shift in to 5th gear? why doesn't the shifter look like it is sitting center in the boot? Where is your factory Shelby leather shifter knob? :thumb:

[DodgeZ]

oh and lets see a picture of your trans mount....

[Shadow]

How much is that stuff a roll these days?? and those metal zip ties? Why is the console missing the screw and did you add a new screw? why is the console poking up so much? How did it feel to cut up your numbered Shelby car? What gear is the car in? It doesn't look like the "bent" shadow shifter in your pictures. Have you ever "punched" the dash while speed shifting in to 3rd? How long are your arms? do you have to unbuckle to shift in to 5th gear? why doesn't the shifter look like it is sitting center in the boot? Where is your factory Shelby leather shifter knob? :thumb:

You certainly seem to be making a big deal for nothing. Converting to cables is quite simple and can be done quite clean. I've done both, (rod shift mod on a 555 for someone else) and 5 or 6 cable shift conversions on my own and several other ppls SC's including the current 568/SRT short throw combo that's in the Charger now. Car shifts More comfortably than it did stock and I Don't have to reach for Any gears! ;)

[Shadow]

Couple pics of the set-up in my Charger.

[Shadow]

oh and lets see a picture of your trans mount....

Trans mount is a cakewalk, you just relocate the mount on the crossmember by about 2"s. ;)

[DodgeZ]

You certainly seem to be making a big deal for nothing. Converting to cables is quite simple and can be done quite clean. I've done both, (rod shift mod on a 555 for someone else) and 5 or 6 cable shift conversions on my own and several other ppls SC's including the current 568/SRT short throw combo that's in the Charger now. Car shifts More comfortably than it did stock and I Don't have to reach for Any gears! ;)

You have 30 pages talking about a clutch..... I don't think I would count half a dozen post making a big deal. Just making the point you don't have to go cable and it isn't what I would call easier. I never said you couldn't get make the cable shifter look nice but in my opinion it is easier mod the rod linkage. Also a rod shifter setup in GOOD shape feels great.

I was also the first one to do the srt/568 shifter... Look at the shifter it is bent towards the driver and the back of the car....
http://dodgez.com/srtshifter.html

;)

[DodgeZ]

Trans mount is a cakewalk, you just relocate the mount on the crossmember by about 2"s. ;)

Just use bubble gum to stick it on...

[DodgeZ]

Couple pics of the set-up in my Charger.

what gear is it in???

[Shadow]

I was also the first one to do the srt/568 shifter... Look at the shifter it is bent towards the driver and the back of the car....
http://dodgez.com/srtshifter.html

;)

Really? I didn't see any dates on your pics, when did you figure that out?

[Shadow]

Just use bubble gum to stick it on...

Is that what you use for your rod shift brackets?


what gear is it in???

Pretty sure that's first gear.

[DodgeZ]

Is that what you use for your rod shift brackets?


I used a welder but I was told you didn't need tools to install a cabler shifter..... I think you missed that point.... maybe next time?

[DodgeZ]

Really? I didn't see any dates on your pics, when did you figure that out?

when did you install yours?

[DodgeZ]

Ok, let's not start a pissing match here.

Adam, now it is a pissing match :D

[Shadow]

when did you install yours?

First one I modded was in 04


Adam, now it is a pissing match :D

Not even close, I'm just giving you some pointers.....boy! :eyebrows:

[t3rse]

Really? I didn't see any dates on your pics, when did you figure that out?

Friday, April 21, 2006 4:38:39 PM (page last modified stamp at dodgez.com)

[DodgeZ]

the picture of that garage was 03. I had moved by 04... It would have been the summer of 03 I did the SRT4 shifter mod. Whos your daddy

[shelbymonster]

the picture of that garage was 03. I had moved by 04... It would have been the summer of 03 I did the SRT4 shifter mod. Whos your daddy

im sorry but ... are we in the turbododge forum ?

[DodgeZ]

im sorry but ... are we in the turbododge forum ?

no we are here..

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=584844#post584844

[shelbymonster]

no we are here..

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=584844#post584844

well you act like the turbododge peoples :thumb:

[DodgeZ]

no need for name calling....

[2.216VTurbo]

My dad can beat up ANY of your dads!

[Force Fed Mopar]

My dad can beat up ANY of your dads!

My mom can beat up your dad!

[86seeS]

this is nuts im converting to an automatic lol

[Force Fed Mopar]

this is nuts im converting to an automatic lol

Blasphemy! Burn this heretic!

:lol:

[moparzrule]

Agreed and the cable shifted 568 shifts much better than the cable shifted 555 IMO.

Rod vs. cable shifting is a different argument.

-Rich

I'd have to disagree with that. But this is purely personal preference on both our parts.
I like 520/555 anyday over 523/568. Even though now I have a 523, but I was lucky just to find a 5 speed minivan, beggers can't be choosers! So I settled for my 90', which came with a busted 568 which is why it was a large spline 523 in it now!


this is nuts im converting to an automatic lol

LMAO. :ballchain:

[cordes]

this is nuts im converting to an automatic lol

Strongest fighting words of the thread thus far. :nod:

[54inches]

What kind of transmission is it?

[Force Fed Mopar]

What kind of transmission is it?
LOL :lol:

[54inches]

Seriously, the newb wants to know!

[Force Fed Mopar]

In the original post? 523. It will say on that tag you can see in the pic, the pic is just too fuzzy to make it out. But since he got it out of a non-turbo late model, has to be a 523 (barring any previous owner trans swaps).

[54inches]

Thanks bud!