24v 3.0 Duster progress log

[Shadow24]

Well, if you haven't lurked in the 3.0 section or been naughty and gone perusing on TD... heres my project.

If you want to go over to the dark side and read the original thread, it is HERE (http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f11/f69/136968-p-body-24v-updates.html)

otherwise, here is a quick synopsis:

Started about 3 years ago when the 1992 Sundance Duster 3.0 5 speed i bought for $80 decided to die after busting through a 2'x3' snowbank at about 60mph. (suspect now that the heads cracked) After attempting to do an upper gasket kit to revive the motor (which didn't work) i decided to look for alternatives.

After much googling and searching i found that the 24v 3.0 in the 00-05 eclipses was nearly identical i went looking for such a motor. Found a motor for $200 about 20 minutes from my uncle's house (he has a F350 turbo diesel dually flatbed truck) and said "here's a 6-pack...go fetch?"

once I got the motor I dove right in. (mind you, most of this is before i got into the Turbo dodge world) was able to pull the old motor and trans, mate the new motor to the trans. and fab up a passenger side motor mount. After the motor was physically installed, i had to install and wire the Megasquirt.

While i got everything installed right, it took me about a year off and on to finally get the car to run. Initial attempts using the 24v distributor met in complete failure. (in retrospect, i may be able to get it to work now, but i did not have the requisite experience or information then). It took me so long because i had the car towed with me from CT to school in south western NY and worked on it when i had time. I got stuck when a misalignment between the trans and motor chewed up the ring gear on the flywheel.

That 2nd summer consisted of installing a 4 puck ceramic clutch and HD PP from FWDPerf and an OBX LSD. I also installed an EDIS-6 module with GM coilpacks and was able to start the car on spring break of 07. Took the car to school the next year and was able to go to the track for the first time. Ran 1 14.96@93mph best at NYIRP.

Since then I have fried the 4-puck, killed an OBX (case bolts failed taking the OBX out necessitating a transmission rebuild) blown the oil sender apart spinning two rod bearings, and many other issues. I now have a new OBX, a purple PP and 6-puck clutch from TU, a fidanza Aluminum flywheel, a better tune, slicks, launch control/flatshift, and other mods i can't think of.

Plans at the moment are for an M90 supercharger, intercooled with 390cc injectors. and eventually a caravan AWD system mated to the A543 (once we figure that one out lol). I have run a PB this season of 14.712@92.99mph and am looking to beat that at Turbopalooza on nov 7th.

[Shadow24]

Here's a compilation of the build thats a lil old and a recent pass at the track for your viewing enjoyment

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/th_MyCarBuild5.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/?action=view&current=MyCarBuild5.flv)

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/th_s7300260-1.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/?action=view&current=s7300260-1.flv)

[Vigo]

AWD system mated to the A543 (once we figure that one out lol)

Its actually been figured out, check out the AWD thread in the trans section... But i dunno about pto to 3.0 block issues. I dont think anyone has tried that combo yet.

You'll definitely blow past 14.7 with slicks, launch control, and flatshift.

Glad to see you're posting over here. :)

[Shadow24]

if i could get my whole thread over from TD, id be over here more lol.

as for the AWD, i thought as much. i just have to save the $$$ to get the parts and start playing :)

[Vigo]

Me too:o

You dont need the whole thread.. nobody will read the old stuff unless they want to do the 24v thing too, and lets face it there's barely any 12 valvers here, let alone people wanting to swap to 24v.

Keep this thread up to date and you're all good :thumb:

[Shadow24]

Well, not too much going on lately. Made it down to Turbopalooza but only for the after party at ken's. "Lucy" died on me on the way to the track when one of the wires to teh MS that drives one bank of injectors and 4 of the 5 grounds to the MS broke off the DB-37 connector at the MS. Had to buy a soldering Iron and use NMW2006's inverter to get her back up and working. couple that with assembling NMW2006's car sat morning, i got there at 4:50 so no runs for me :( (wanted to try launch control on the slicks to cut a better 60'...)

Once re-soldered, my tune went to crap as well. had to up my req. fuel by almost 3 whole numbers and im in the process of re-tuning the fuel table. Not sure why re-soldering the grounds and driver wire would cause the tune to go so out of whack though....

NMW2006 also noticed that im burning oil on moderate to heavy acceleration (my mystery oil consumption has been found!) im hoping its not the rings, and i started with replacing the PCV valve. I'm tempted to try some MMO in the cylinders to see if its the rings but IIRC earlier this summer when i did a compression test, all the #s were good...:confused2: any input, advice or whatnot on that?

I am tempted to try the auto-rx that Lookin has mentioned, but im too broke to buy that at the moment.

[Vigo]

well, if you can get your hands on a leakdown tester it might tell you a bit more than the compression test.

im excited to see what you get from the launch control (whenever you get there), should be fun!

[Shadow24]

well, i figured out some of my issues:
I replaced the o2 sensor and that fixed the sensor reading. also found out my ign connection was accidentally grounded and i've been running limp home EDIS timing of 10* since i put the new relay board in (and ran a 14.712 on 10* timing lol) car runs like a raped ape now :)

[Shadow24]

in thinking about the spark issue, I should say im not 100% sure i ran the 14.7 on 10*. I think i may have fixed a ground issue when my car died heading to turbopalooza that caused my spark request to go to ground and EDIS defaulted to 10*...*shrug* im just happy the power and most likely the gas mileage is back:D

[Vigo]

Glad you're still updating. Im leaning more and more towards a dohc 3.0 in my minivan these days. Funny because i started a turbo 2.5 swap and have been just a fuel pump away from finishing that since like September, and i have all the parts for a sohc 3.0 build, and im jumping 2 or 3 swaps ahead and scheming for dohc. lol.

[Shadow24]

Thanks. Good luck whichever way you go though (personally i think the 3.0 has a TON of potential though)

[Shadow24]

Well, National Trails is slated to open Sunday 3/28 :) Been prepping "Lucy" for the first test and tune of the year. Launch control/flatshift is wired up and ready to go. Slicks are also prepped. Hopefully I'll be able to beat my 14.712 from last season with a proper launch...

I'm also thinking of running the T-100 weds. night brackets this year. Not that i expect to win or anything, but it would be good practice.

Still trying to save to do the M90 installation, but working for a temp company isn't conducive to making good money lol

Also, going to look into having a bodyshop fix the rocker rust on "Lucy"...we'll see how bad the quote is lol

[t3rse]

good luck!

[Shadow24]

Well, i didn't get to go to the test and tune on 3/28 or the next one.

I did go to the first T-100 weds night and placed 2nd in class Z) (too bad points don't start until may) I got the launch control and slicks in the ballpark. 4800prm limiter, only scrubbing the slicks briefly and 22psi in the slicks. still bogs a tad on launch but not nearly as bad as before. Ran a best time of 14.705 but had to let out so i wouldn't break out...it was a 14.6 or a 14.5 run if i coulda ran it out the back door... Well see how it goes this season and i hope to bring my times down a fair bit :)

first trial run i red lit (season beginning jitters) :(
2nd Trial Run
RT - 0.134 60' - 2.154 1/8th - 9.695 MPH - 65.86 1000' - 12.811 1/4 - 15.358 MPH - 89.06

3rd Trial
RT - 0.169 60' - 2.084 1/8th - 9.443 MPH - 73.41 1000' - 12.355 1/4 - 14.792 MPH - 92.57

1st bracket (WRX STI Broke out, 13.5 on a 13.79)
RT - 0.137 60' - 2.165 1/8th - 9.507 MPH - 73.18 1000' - 12.385 1/4 - 14.814 MPH - 92.77 Shift Point - 6800 Dial 14.700 Difference - 0.114

2nd bracket (Boosted Civic - blew the ties away and was slow - 15.1 on a 14.5. I let out at least 40' from the line...glad i did let off, woulda broke out)
RT - 0.089 60' - 2.119 1/8th - 9.349 MPH - 73.80 1000' - 12.206 1/4 - 14.705 MPH - 84.77 Shift Point - 6800 Dial 14.700 Difference - 0.005

final round (04 cavalier auto - beat me with a 16.73 on a 16.71)
RT - 0.094 60' - 2.173 1/8th - 9.489 MPH - 73.38 1000' - 12.367 1/4 - 14.837 MPH - 91.48 Shift Point - 6800 Dial 14.700 Difference - 0.137

[Vigo]

What tires is this on again?

[Shadow24]

24.5x8 M-T slicks

[Vigo]

Are you not launching it very hard, then? Most people with manuals and slicks are doing 1.7-1.9. Just curious!

[Shadow24]

I'm dropping the clutch from 4800rpm full throttle (Launch control on the MS :) ) I think whats killing me is either too sticky tires or the aluminum flywheel at the moment. I stil have some things i can do to the setup to minimize bog i think

[t3rse]

Try taking the limiter up. In fact, take it up until you spin horribly.

[Shadow24]

I'll see what i can do with that... i think if i go too high it will interfere with the flatshift. gotta check the forums and all.

[t3rse]

To what is your normal limiter set?

[Shadow24]

Launch control is at 4800, flatshift limits to 5000 for the next shift (even if im shifting faster than the motor takes to wind down to 5K) . im shifting just shy of 7000 and hard rev limit is at 7200

[Shadow24]

Well had a good day at the T-100 last night. got 3 runs in before eliminations and mas faster each run. Sadly i didn't make it past the 1st round as "Lucy" rolled back out of stage and i got an auto redlight :( I did however bust my PR by 2 tenths the following Time rial pass :) Interestingly enough, i did not change my setup at all from last week. no change in launch limiter and no change in slick pressure. i wonder if the track was just REALLY sticky last week (BTW, the left lane 60' sensor was out so thats why some runs have no 60' time)

The launches felt real good, no bogging, just some spinning as i came out of the hole. I do have some issues i need to address though, my ghetto gas tank strap fix needed ghetto rigging again (ordering new gas straps shortly) and i broke part of the front motor mount bracket (i'll get pics tonight) which caused the starter ground wire to break. i didn't know this until "Lucy" wouldn't start in the staging lanes for the 2nd trial run. luckily i had some spare wire and connectors in the trunk so i whipped up a quick fix for now.

1st Trial
RT----------60' ---------1/8-------1/8mph----1000' ------1/4-------1/4mpg
0.206------0.000-----9.489--------72.75----12.378-----14.805---92.89

2nd trial
RT----------60' ---------1/8-------1/8mph----1000' ------1/4-------1/4mpg
0.123-----2.164-------9.458-------74.32----12.339-----14.759---93.05

3rd trial
RT----------60' ---------1/8-------1/8mph----1000' ------1/4-------1/4mpg
0.119------0.000-----9.346------73.68------12.211----14.632-----92.93

1st bracket - No time :(

4th trial
RT----------60' ---------1/8-------1/8mph----1000' ------1/4-------1/4mpg
0.118------2.157------9.289-----75.60------12.132----14.530-----93.89

5th trial (missed 3rd)
RT----------60' ---------1/8-------1/8mph----1000' ------1/4--------1/4mpg
0.114------2.155------9.485-----70.12------12.486-----14.962----91.40

[Shadow24]

double post

[Vigo]

Sounds good! But.. there is no ground wire to the starter. You probably mean solenoid wire.

[Shadow24]

yeah, that one lol. Im looking into either beefing up the front mount or making a custom stronger one at this point i think

[Vigo]

Yeh the 3.0 one certainly seems weak compared to the boxed in 2.2/2.5 one. I tripped over the front mount bracket of a 3.0 i have sitting on the ground and that was enough to bend it :p

[Shadow24]

Yeah, they are not the best and beefiest thing out there...*shrug* UPGRADE TIME!

[Shadow24]

Well, i got a couple fixes/upgrades done to "Lucy" this weekend. I re-did the front motor mount bracket...out of 5/16 plate steel :thumb: that sucker ain't gonna break NOW! lol Once installed the new mount works GREAT! I can actually drive the car without it jerking so much now. Can't wait to see what no motor movement does at the track on weds :D

Also replaced by gas tank straps as one mount point had rusted off in the late summer 09 and lasted til now on zip-ties. i just drilled holes and put new bolts through. Also replaced the trunk struts after haven't the trunk come down on my wrist on the 21st...not anymore.

Broken motor mount - was allowing the motor to rotate and move...not good
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1161.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1162.jpg

Created initial template and sawed broken section off of old mount. This is also a comparison of the 5/16" plate steel vs the maybe 1/8" steel the old mount was made of...
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1163.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1164.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1165.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1166.jpg

Roughed out shape after hitting the plate steel with a hand band saw and a bench grinder compared to old section
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1167.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1168.jpg

Welded together (3 passes on each side to get enough heat penetration) not too shabby if i say so myself
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1170.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1173.jpg

Painted up and ready to install
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1176.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1177.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1178.jpg

Installed...i don't think the motor is going anywhere now :D
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1179.jpg

New tank straps installed before the tank fell out and something bad happened. Had to pry the old stud on the pass side off as it was so rusted away and the drivers side had already fallen off. Just drilled through the sheet steel and used grade 5 bolts and washers under the rear seat mount to sinch up the straps. All good now.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1180.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1181.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/100_1182.jpg

[Shadow24]

Well i've been slacking in putting up my times. I woulda posted the last 2 trips to the track but i can't seem to find my slips from the other week, ill look for them and post them if i find em... (woulda been 3 but we got rained out last week :() Points racing starts this coming weds, so wish me luck!

Here is this week's outing:
I have upped my PR again as well, slowly getting the setup dialed in after almost 90 passes in the car. 14.461@94.8 I upped the slick pressure back to 20psi and it helped out, i am getting off the line a lot better than at 18psi. I also took 2nd in class again :) 3rd time this season already

1st Trial
RT----------60' ---------1/8-------1/8mph----1000' ------1/4-------1/4mph
.218-------2.231-------9.422-------74.55----12.248-----14.634------94.36

2nd Trial
RT----------60' ---------1/8-------1/8mph----1000' ------1/4-------1/4mph
.009-------2.151-------9.297-------74.81----12.112-----14.486------94.77

1st round eliminations - vs a 15.8 dialed honda hatch. Won on the brakes :)
RT----------60' ---------1/8-------1/8mph----1000' ------1/4-------1/4mph-----dial
.315-------2.245-------9.354-------74.98----12.162-----14.545------91.96-----14.4

2nd round eliminations - vs a 14.5 dialed honda hatch. Won on the brakes again...apparently he missed 3rd :confused:
RT----------60' ---------1/8-------1/8mph----1000' ------1/4-------1/4mph-----dial
.304-------2.141-------9.262-------74.94----12.072-----14.482------89.06-----14.4

3rd round eliminations - vs a 13.1 dialed turbo honda coupe (many repeat class winner, clean car :) ) lost by .0667
RT----------60' ---------1/8-------1/8mph----1000' ------1/4-------1/4mph-----dial
.344-------2.190-------9.286-------75.22----12.089-----14.461------94.80-----14.4

[Shadow24]

well, last nite was good and bad. Made it to the semi finals in class (beat a beretta and got a buy run on a no-show) was staged at the line against a 16.85 elantra on a 14.4, tree hits the 3rd amber and dumped the clutch. POP and i went nowhere :( had to get a tow home (AAA ftw) jacked up the car and the left axle can spin with ease without turnng the right one. I'll have times and carnage pics tonite.

Gotta love the addage "if your not breaking parts, your not going fast enough" lol

[Shadow24]

Well, i was able to tear the axles out last night and i did shear the splined end right off the passenger side axle. Luckily a long screwdriver and a few "love taps" were all i needed to get the stub piece out of the diff.

I was able to get new (not remaned) axles for 69.99 ea (GSP brand *shrug* lifetime warranty FTW though). they look ok and weigh about the same even though the axle shafts look thinner, i think they are a solid rod but im not 100% positive. the only issue i can see with the new axles is that the machining on the inner splined end wasn't finished as nicely as the stock axle. I was unable to get the axle to spline into the diff last night as there were riges intruding into the splines that i still need to clean up to get it to slide in easily. I haven't examined the hub splines yet.

The left side LOOKED ok, but im not going to chance it and im replacing that one as well. I also poured about 2 quarts of oil through the trans and diff to clear out any major metal shards (manual drain plug mod FTW here :D) She should be back up and on the road tonight or tomorrow and DEFINITELY be back for the points race next week as i am currently 3rd in points :D

Sheared axle
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/79b51d73.jpg


Old vs New
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/9750d2d4.jpg

Splining shoulder differences
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/a52cc1f3.jpg

[Vigo]

Good job breaking those axles. :D Still wonder why you're breaking axles with street-tire-ish 60's. The slicks arent hopping right?

[Shadow24]

thanks lol i think the axles were fatigued from all the street tire abuse when i first went to the track 3 years ago. Also AFAICT they were the original axles anyways. I only snapped the left axle but replaced both to be safe.

As for the launching. I think i have too much traction with the current setup. I'll see about upping the launch limiter up to drop me at peak torque. Currently its set at 4800-5000 and the slicks at 20psi. I'll try and log a pass on weds and see what sort of rpm drop im getting on launch.

[Shadow24]

Well, was a decent night out at the track. Got 2 trials and through round 1 before a SEVERE thunderstorm with a tornado warning swept through and put a damper on the evening. I upped the launch RPM to 6000 and dropped the slick pressure to 18 psi. I did notice that even launching at 6000, my rpms drop all the way to about 3000 before picking up again.

i DID cut a best 60' and a new PR so not a bad night (and i won my round so 20 points for the night )

Run 1
RT______60'___1/8 mile___1/8 MPH____1000'____¼ mile ¼ mile mph
0.346___2.069__9.293_____74.24______12.129___14.55 2____93.39

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/th_100_1234.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/?action=view&current=100_1234.flv)

Run 2
RT______60'___1/8 mile___1/8 MPH____1000'____¼ mile ¼ mile mph
0.195___2.117__9.379_____74.38______12.206___14.58 8____93.88


http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/th_100_1235.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/?action=view&current=100_1235.flv)

Round 1 (New PR!!! )
RT______60'___1/8 mile___1/8 MPH____1000'____¼ mile ¼ mile mph
0.465___2.019__9.184_____74.85______11.997___14.36 8____94.36

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/th_100_1238.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/?action=view&current=100_1238.flv)




And here are a couple from the previous 2 outings

5/19
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/th_100_1230.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/?action=view&current=100_1230.flv)

and 2 of the runs prior to snapping my axle on 5/26

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/th_100_1232.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/?action=view&current=100_1232.flv)

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/th_100_1233.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/?action=view&current=100_1233.flv)

[Shadow24]

Well, didn't get anywhere really on points. made 1 test pass and on the 2nd test pass, the BRAND NEW driver's side axle's outer CV joint destroyed itself. It didn't tear the boot so i'll see what the damage is when i take it apart...again :( Im wondering if i need to pony up and get a dealer axle or go j-yard hopping for a OEM one...

At least i got 10 points for passing tech...

1st test pass - Hot car, high humidity, 90+ ambient temperature
_RT____60'____1/8 ET____1/8 MPH____1/4 ET____1/4 MPH
.113___2.032___9.243______74.04______14.471____94. 13

[Vigo]

At least i got 10 points for passing tech...

That makes me think of that funny letdown sound thats like Bwaah Bwaaah Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaah... :p

anyway, stick with it, seems your times are slowly, incrementally getting better and better.

[Shadow24]

Yeah, the driver mod is slowly catching up to the car's potential lol

Here's the snapped axle. Broke just behind the outboard tripod. Got it warranty replaced although Advance has a catch on the GSP new axles. If the inboard shows boot damage or separation, the warranty is void. Don't know why but *shrug*

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/shadowplane676/1b89fc9a.jpg


If this one breaks im gonna be pissed. Im already looking for a set of sanginaw's from a local J/Y just in case. If the stock sanginaw's took 260K miles and over 100 drag runs including a fair number of those wheel hopping on street tires and a "new" axle snaps on the 2nd run it kinda makes you wonder...

The replacement axle looks like they used a different shaft as it is beefier in the center. I'll post a pic up tonight before i install it.

[Shadow24]

Well, I had bad luck at the track on weds...snapped the passenger side axle right before the outboard CV joint...only got a whopping 10 points for passing tech.

I did go to the pick-n-pull and got 1 set of saginaw axles from a vert p-Body v6 5-speed. I am thinking about going back tomorrow for another set of axles and possibly the transmission as well ....(i think its a 50% off day so...)

Im hoping these saginaws will last a long time and im going to see about returning the new ones and trying to get my money back, but we'll see. Need to get back into the hunt for season champion in class.

Im trying to keep a look out for an AWD caravan as well to snag the t-case and rear end from for the eventual AWD project, but i think that will be out of budget at this time :(

[Dusty_Duster]

Why do you keep snapping axles? Are you using P-body axles or axles from a V6 Eclipse?

[Shadow24]

i was using advance auto "new" axles for breaks 2 & 3. I am now back to oem saginaws from the j-yard so i hope not to break any more. We'll see weds for sure.

The "new" axles kept breaking in the same spot too... right before the outer CV joint on both sides. The 2nd drivers side axle looks comprable to a saginaw but the first one had a smaller axle shaft.

The passenger side axle was a solid axle and smaller than the oem saginaw. I think that the newest drivers side MIGHT be up to par and thats what put the load on the right side causing it to snap. (not that id trust eather "new" axle any more lol)

[Shadow24]

Well, i survived mechanically last night. 3 passes with no major breaks. Although the snapping of 3 axles has murdered the preload in the OBX (i can spin one side with the other on the ground) that was starting to go anyways. I only got 10 points though as i supposedly redlit by not moving on the line waiting for my tree to count down (14.5 vs a 18.3, almost a 4 second wait...) At least the points leaders all got knocked out in round 2. Sadly im in 9th at the moment with 81 points and the leader is at 173, so i have 6 more races to catch up.

Hopefully next weekend i can rip the OBX out and re-fresh the preload on it as its not too fun with random pulling right or left on part throttle.

I'll also be on the lookout for getting another 3.0 saginaw drivers side axle so i have a complete spare set...just in case.

with the over 90* temps, i managed a 14.569 on my first pass spinning a bit, a 14.697 on the 2nd pass and the 3rd one was bogus (15.844 with a 3+ second 60') due to the staging system issue...they didn't re-run my round as "they didn't find anything wrong with the system" but at least one of the "big dawg" racers had the same issue i did. At least i'll be able to get in free next week...

[Shadow24]

Well, did OK at the races on weds...got eliminated by .0098 of a second in the 2nd round. Pedaled when i should have run it out *shrug* oh well. Im still 9th in points but positions 3-9 are all separated by a max of 33 points and with 5 more races... anything is possible.

Also set a new PR by a couple hundreths and also broke into the 1.9s for 60'. Ill post vids when i get a chance.


RT________60'_____1/8 ET____1/8 mph____1000'____1/4 ET___1/4 mph
0.058_____2.005____9.124 ____74.93______11.933____14.308___94.75

0.072_____2.031____9.133____75.15______11.939____1 4.313___94.80

0.078_____1.994____9.109____75.48______11.928____1 4.413___88.13 (Round 1, dialed 14.35 )

0.116_____2.084____9.327____74.08______12.161____1 4.559___87.93 (Round 2, pedaled and lost by .0098)

0.056_____2.062____9.228____75.57______12.047____1 4.422___95.49

[Vigo]

Woo 1.9 60! I envy you that!

[Shadow24]

lol, only by .006 sec Im still working on balancing tire pressure and burnout time to get a good grip on the launch at 6000rpm.

I have to pull my OBX and fix the preload as i think im losing a little on the launch when it tries to torque-steer on me.

I found a link to Josh's 14.2 shadow's cardomain page over on TD...i thought his car and motor was more stock than that...i guess I'm doing pretty well for a full interior stock 24v motor car. Not sure if I'll match or break 14.2 N/A though...might need to work on the tune and the launch a bit more. Wish i could afford a good dyno tuning session to hash out the top end power more.

[Shadow24]

Well, sad news today...Lucy is dying faster lately. The cancer that started back in CT is finally starting to have a noticeable detrimental effect.

The windshield has shifted and started leaking on the upper left corner and while the fender heights are identical, the left frame is 1/2" lower. There is also worsening rust and now a hole in the drivers floorboard near the ebrake exit.

I fear the cancer has drained too much away rom Lucy for her to continue much longer. I believe she'll survive the winter and maybe a few months past that before she fades into a crumbling shadow of her former self... with only a 14.308 @94.75 as a memory.


So...anyone have a P-body that is in decent rust free-ish shape? its transplant time!

[Vigo]

Are you really set on doing another Pbody?

[Shadow24]

Probably, but not 100%... the 2 body styles i like the most are the P-body and the last gen daytonas.

Only thing with the daytonas is IIRC they are a couple hundred pounds heavier than the P-bodies. but i may be able to live with that :) plus it would look similar to my wife's RX-7.

[Vigo]

There were some trim levels of the 2g daytonas that were only like 2800 lbs.. but that is still at least 1-200 lbs heavier than the lightest stock pbody.

[Shadow24]

Ok, i know its been almost a year since i updated this thread....BUT the car is back under the knife.


In summary, I had a PR of a 14.3XX at ~94mph with the old car (3000lbs w/ driver) and averaged high 20s to 30mpg daily driving. I think that equates to about 200whp-ish. Unfortunately the New England Salt took its toll on the car, the rear quarters and front frame were rusting out badly. The car was starting to sag at the front A pillar causing door and windshield issues. It was time to retire the original chassis.
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I kept my eyes out and looked at a few P-body's and daytona's but nothing came up locally within my price range that wasn't as bad or worse that what I already had. I got a tip about a decent shadow down in VA for $500. Knightmoves (aka bobby lippens) volunteered to check out the car and take some pics for me before making a call on the car. It turned out to be a decent option as it had hardly ANY rust on it at all. Supposedly had a busted motor and a recently replaced crap-o-matic slush-box, but was a solid chassis. After considering the other options I had, I jumped on the car. A big kudos to knightmoves for the assistance rendered on the retrieval trip (even though it cost him a foot.... :) ).

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Once i got the car back to the in-laws in OH, it was time for a deeper inspection. Originally a dark green v6 slush-box and it was Maaco'd (or some other cheap painting method) gloss black. I kinda like the gloss black and am probably going to touch up the paint until i can CORRECTLY get it painted gloss black. One nice feature it did have, is what appears to be a factory glass sunroof. Underside was near mint, couldn't find any real rust anywhere. Odometer read 100K-ish, so not too bad. Seller said trans was replaced then timing belt broke. I had no need for the motor so that went to NMW2006 for his build and the trans will probably end up as aluminum stock if my father-in-law gets his aluminum casting hobby started.

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Finally got to start on the chassis switch this weekend (pulled the motor and associated bits from both cars a couple weeks ago). Pulled the auto K-frame out and am planning on swapping the 5sp K-frame from the old chassis to the new car as it is in decent shape. Also spend Monday stripping out all the wires to the PCM in the engine bay to do a PROPER wiring of the MS this time. Body harness only and MS wiring. Sure helps my father-in-law is an EE and LIKES to do wiring :). should be a nicely stock looking engine bay when we are done...

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Also looking at fixing up the AC so it actually works on the car. Probably going to use hydraulic couplings to make the two sets of lines together (did the same on the HP side of the PS with good results), just need to find a way to keep the fill valves in the lines somehow... Sorta have to add the AC compressor back to switch the belt routing around to better facilitate the supercharger. Hopefully I'll get the pieces for that made up so when i can afford the rest of the parts (only need an intercooler) I can get boosted. Also will be adding a WOT cutout on the AC clutch circuit so when WOT is hit, the AC clutch disengages (or maybe anything over 80% TPS...)

We are also planning on running 3/8" feed and 5/16" return aluminum fuel lines (using ALUMINUM isolator brackets, not steel ones). Will be using the stock pump for now, but may have to go with a walbro 255 once boosted. Also may have to make some adapters to the fuel rail for the larger feed lines. I have upgraded to 3000GT VR4 fuel rails and FPR so that should be OK for what i have planned.


BTW, I have a 92 v6 5sp and a 94 v6 auto PCMs, 1 94 v6 TCM and 1, possibly 2 option dash's with tachometers for sale :)

[Shadow24]

mmmm....shiny.....

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5/16 and 3/8 stainless fuel lines, clamps and fuel filter. No more rusted fuel lines! and enough flow for what i plan (i hope!)

probably going to do SS brake hard and flex lines as well. Also picked up some POR15 and undercoat to add to the rust prevention. Do it once, do it right this time. Hopefully this will be a 10yr+ DD car when im done.

[Shadow24]

more goodies! CuNifer brake line (copper nickel alloy) and a Misimoto intercooler 31x11x3 (scored for $100 off of CL)

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[Shadow24]

Amazing what $5 in quarters and 15 minutes at the diy carwash can do for a oildirt caked k-frame!

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[Shadow24]

got a little more done today. finished up working on the K-frame, A arms and sway bar. 1 coat POR-15 and 2 coats Eastwood Extreme Chassis Black :) Unfortunately, probably wont get much more done on the chassis until springtime. Hoping to get more work on the motor done though: cams, valve springs, new valves and valve stem seals in by spare heads to swap onto my motor. Also want to check on the clutch and make sure all's ok there. possibly get the S/C mount and such fabbed up as well.
POR-15, ready for chassis black
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first coat satin black
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2nd coat semi-dry
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[Shadow24]

got the k-frame and front suspension assembled enough to roll her outside for the winter...

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