The Flying Tool Shed goes 13.7@96 mph!!!!!!!!!!!

[turbovanman²]

Well, after all these years, I finally break in the 13's, and consistantly, :thumb: I also finally got to wear my helmet. The crowd went absolutely nuts tonight, I had track officials coming up to me, tons of people asking me what I had done, one guy asked if I had a V8-:eyebrows: another asked what I had, I told him turbo 2.5L when I was at the staging lanes, he goes, I have a 4 cylinder too, lol! Girls pointing and saying-cool minivan-:thumb: For the first time, had people ask where my kids were, lol! :lol:

Anyhow, same deal as before, 22 by 8-15 inch slicks, boost set around 23 psi, 2 gallons C16 to 2-3 gallons of 94 and 89 octane Chevron. The ONLY difference is I installed an S2 cam, I was running the S1 last times out.

Stage, launch, 2.0 60ft, track is slimey tonight, pulls hard but detonates a bit-CEL comes on thanks to the cal and I can feel her slow down when it comes on, still, run felt good. Shifted auto from 1-2 at around 5700 and I shifted from 2-3 at 5500, did this all night. Wasted a stock 05 Honda Civic, get my time slip and start screaming, 13.83@95.94 MPH, :eek: I can't stop grinning, finally, after all this time I finally reach part of my goals. The boost guage was at 25 psi.

Get back and take out one turn of the boost controller and out I go, this time, 13.72@95.67 mph, still getting the CEL light on mid track. Dawes was full yellow but EGT's were 1600.

Add 1/2 turn fuel, retard the cam 2 deg-so now its at 4 deg, and turn up the boost controller 1 turn, go back out, another 13.8@95.

put the cam back to 2 deg retarded-cam is ground 2 deg advanced, go back out, run a 13.8@96 mph. STill putting the CEL on and its slowing down at the top end.

Go get another gallon of C16 and nudge the timing back a few degrees, still detonating slightly and run some more 13.8's but now the MPH is 96-97 mph. Retard ig timing 2 more deg and advance cam a few degrees, knock off a 13.79@96.6 mph-playing with a low 12 sec SRT4, :nod: Play with it the rest of the night and manage a bunch of 13.8's, all roughly around 25ish psi. Boost controller is maxed out there. I got 8 runs in tonight and the last run, I figured I would unplug the MBC to see what she would do, hahhaaha, big mistake, hit 35 or more psi, guage stops at 30 and it went past it alot and cut out badly, ran 15.1, doh!


So, all in all, getting closer, wasted alot of Imports in the process, only lost once to the SRT4. Going to have to add a pet---- to my fuel line and drain out my gas tank at the track and add the C16 like the Buick GN guys do. I guess I will put the stock 89 cam back in and see what happens. She pulls good off the line but flattens out on the top end. Hopefully this will cure my mid track detonation or I might have to retard my timing more.

[Hemidare]

I am so happy you finally broke into the 13's Simon! Great to hear!

[Holley]

Nice work :thumb: No stopping you now, eh?

And you now know the Mini isn't cursed to 14s, lol ;)

[WOP'R]

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Marcus86GLHS]

great work Simon, congrats.

[5sp. mini]

hey i got some old car seats i can send you. strap 2 of them stand up dolls in there and they will ----. think you are raceing with the kids in there lol. thats some great times. :nod: wayto go''''' al

[BadAssPerformance]

Congrats! :thumb:

[Turbodave]

Congrats Simon. A night of 13's and nothing broken is a good night!

[guyd_15]

Congrats!
Guy

[GLHSKEN]

Great Job Simon!!! Congrats on getting there

[sdac guy]

Great job Simon! :thumb:

Congrats!


Barry

[mcsvt]

Definitely a good night :thumb:

[uwilluz]

That's great to hear man!!

Is it just me..... or does anyone else feel a bit of pride in something another board member accomplishes??

I know that I won't do this intentionally..... but later on when telling this story to my buddies (or complete strangers) it will go something like this....

"I have a buddy w/ a turbo minivan that runs 13's in the quarter.... blah blah blah"

It's weird... you guys all feel like close friends to me. That's a sign of a properly run board, and great TD enthusiasts!

[Frank]

sweet man!

[Clay]

Good job!!! I was hoping I would see a new thread this week with good news from you Simon!!

congrats!

[SpoolinGLH]

Grrrrrrreat!

[glhs875]

GOOD RUNS!!! :thumb:

[boost geek]

CRAP!!! I wish I went, had to work late so I would'nt have to work saturday.:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[BIG PSI]

WTG Simon,

I am writing this to you from Baraboo, Wisc. I am at my brother in laws house. We are up here for a wedding, my wife's niece is getting married. But anyways I wanted to say congrats to you on your 13 second pass. I knew you could do it. Not the 12's are your next goal.

Your Friend
Chuck

[Tony Fields]

Great Job:thumb:

Wish mine would do that

[Stevien1]

Sounds like you got a good cal too! Congrats!

-Chuck James

[turbovanman²]

Thanks guys, I have to say it was one of my best nights, 3 years of blood, sweat, tears, and MONEY, lol! :eyebrows:

Just have to figure out the detonation issue, and go from there. Also need to figure out how to get more boost, my MBC is maxed out at 25ish psi. Also need to figure out if I am going to change out the S2 and put the stocker back in, my MPH hasn't really changed but obviously my bottom end torque is much better.

[SpoolinGLH]

hmm when you get a chance try the 23's ....you better hold on to your horses with those slicks...specially with your obx

[turbovanman²]

hmm when you get a chance try the 23's ....you better hold on to your horses with those slicks...specially with your obx

I would love too but A)No more money this year, B) I don't know anyone with that size slicks I could borrow.

I did notice Paul Smith did his 12.65 on the same slicks I have, :thumb:

I am going thru the 1/4 at around 5700 rpm so they probably would help but meh, next year. :nod:

[johnl]

Congratulations. Don' t ya just love driving your race car (van) home!?

[Whorse]

Are you able to get the fuel curve in your cal adjusted a bit so it gives more fuel mid track?

[turbovanman²]

Are you able to get the fuel curve in your cal adjusted a bit so it gives more fuel mid track?

I can't but maybe Rob could?

[Directconnection]

Thanks guys, I have to say it was one of my best nights, 3 years of blood, sweat, tears, and MONEY, lol! :eyebrows:

Just have to figure out the detonation issue, and go from there. Also need to figure out how to get more boost, my MBC is maxed out at 25ish psi. Also need to figure out if I am going to change out the S2 and put the stocker back in, my MPH hasn't really changed but obviously my bottom end torque is much better.

Congrats Simon. Can I take some of the credit for the superstition aspect of this thread? :lol:

Once your top end detonation issue is solved, you should be running a better mph in the 1/4 which would also help you close in on those 12s. Give us a rundown of the 1/8 mile ETs and MPHs from those runs if you could.

Personally, maybe try backing down the boost and tune it from there. Wonder you didn't toast anything. Luck is on your side now:)

[turbovanman²]

Congrats Simon. Can I take some of the credit for the superstition aspect of this thread? :lol:

Once your top end detonation issue is solved, you should be running a better mph in the 1/4 which would also help you close in on those 12s. Give us a rundown of the 1/8 mile ETs and MPHs from those runs if you could.

Personally, maybe try backing down the boost and tune it from there. Wonder you didn't toast anything. Luck is on your side now:)

Credit, you said go back to stock, :p I refused, :lol: I said S2, you said STOCK, :eyebrows: :p

I will post both 13.7 runs when I get home.

Forged baby, thats why! plus when it started detonating, all the timing got pulled out and it almost stopped, then the CEL would flash and stop then the power would come back, and so on and so on.

[show-off]

FINALLY!!! Now if I see you post next week saying you are shooting for 12's or selling your van I am going to beat you down!!! lol

[turbovanman²]

FINALLY!!! Now if I see you post next week saying you are shooting for 12's or selling your van I am going to beat you down!!! lol


I am still aiming for 12's, I know its there, just need to stop the detonation and turn up the boost, I am so close I can feel it, :thumb:

[SpoolinGLH]

haha i remember how fast 13.7 felt in a sundance....i cant imagine feeling that same power in a minivan.......

simon do you have wisecos??

[turbovanman²]

haha i remember how fast 13.7 felt in a sundance....i cant imagine feeling that same power in a minivan.......

simon do you have wisecos??

I know, it feels fast. My street and racebikes run the 1/4 in 10 secs but this feels faster, lol!


JE's, I got them from David Rose. And no, they don't look like those weak ones FM were aparantly selling, :nod:

[Omnious]

Good Job Simon! I think it's time to buy a hole saw and remove some weight where is cant be seen. Atleast you know the 12's are comming. do you still have the full interior in the van? did you remove the spare tire ect..?

[turbovanman²]

Good Job Simon! I think it's time to buy a hole saw and remove some weight where is cant be seen. Atleast you know the 12's are comming. do you still have the full interior in the van? did you remove the spare tire ect..?


Nah, this is my DD and I won't comprimise my comfort for a few months of the year. Its more impressive for me to do it full weight, which is 3450 lbs with me in it.

It has the full interior minus the rear seats, spare tire is a Lebaron mag with a 195/50-15 spare and it stays under the rear. No jack or sub box. I even keep my tow bar on for sh*ts and giggles, :lol:

[DodgeZ]

you need a bigger turbo.

[turbovanman²]

you need a bigger turbo.

I have a big turbo, :thumb:

If I could afford it, I would get the new SC DBB series. Donations anyone? :eyebrows:

[WVRampage]

Thats great to hear Im hoping to get there some day but its not looking good.

[mech1nxh]

Well, after all these years, I finally break in the 13's, and I got 8 runs in tonight and the last run, I figured I would unplug the MBC to see what she would do, hahhaaha, big mistake, hit 35 or more psi, guage stops at 30 and it went past it alot and cut out badly, ran 15.1, doh!



35 psi and drove it home .....
my compliments.......

[turbovanman²]

Ok, Steve, heres the break down.

14.2 run with the S1 and 23 ish psi. then the 2 best runs, in order of time with the S2 cam at 23 psi first and 25ish psi second.

60'-2.126--------------------------- 2.038 ------------------------2.117
330-5.932---------------------------5.674 ------------------------5.764
1/8-9.130---------------------------8.744 ------------------------8.840
mph-78.64--------------------------79.43 ------------------------79.47
1000-11.902------------------------11.423 ------------------------11.515
1/4-14.232--------------------------13.720 -----------------------13.798
mph-95.78--------------------------95.67 -------------------------96.62

[Ground Rat]

Sweet. Good job man. :D

[Directconnection]

FINALLY!!! Now if I see you post next week saying you are shooting for 12's or selling your van I am going to beat you down!!! lol

Simon, this is what I was saying. Superstition... you used to cross your fingers for 12s and 13s the night before the drags, then run 14s and 15s:D Remember, I made you hope for 14s instead and look what happened:evil:

[turbovanman²]

Simon, this is what I was saying. Superstition... you used to cross your fingers for 12s and 13s the night before the drags, then run 14s and 15s:D Remember, I made you hope for 14s instead and look what happened:evil:

You are correct sir, thanks uncle Steve, :eyebrows:

[LynX853]

simon! CONGRATS!! you are my hero!

you need to set up a on board cam and post up some vids of your turbo van street rod!!

might i suggust to help with your detonation problems, and they arnt all that expensive is invest in an alky kit... KJ (onefastbaron13) just got his installed and is running 25psi no problems... plus on the street if you want you can run low octane and just have the alky compensate if you wanted to do that.

and if anyone ever asks you why you rotrod your van... just let them know... cause its just that much more fun in a box!

congrats again!
-Adrian

(ps, if you do end up running the stocker and not going back, ill take that S2 cam off your hands!) =)

[turbovanman²]

Thanks Adrian, I do have a video of my 14.2 run, look in the vid section.

Yeah, alcohol, I just can't afford it yet. I would love to get DevilDoc's system but honestly, I am soooooooooo broke right now, :(

Donations anyone? :eyebrows:

[DeckSetter]

congrats on the 13s!!

I was looking into alky, it's REALLY not that expensive... you could probably have enough money for it just selling a cam or 2......

[turbovanman²]

$260 US is still alot of money. I am going to try and jury rig something up during the week as there is no way I can get a kit or parts here by next Friday. Thats the last drag race I can do for a month or so, :(

[BTB]

I'm not sure who you are, but killer times dude. It feels awesome when you reach your goals.:thumb:

[Ubmbass]

Wow, congrats Simon... can't wait to see 12's!

[cordes]

That is too cool. Nothing like sucess after such hard work.

Veni Vidi Vici.

[turbovanman²]

Wow, congrats Simon... can't wait to see 12's!

Hey man, that means alot from you, THE fastest mini van owner, :thumb:

[DeckSetter]

hey, how about some old cold start injectors and the washer pump?

[unluckyty]

Nice job Simon :thumb:. Sure is nice when things start going right.

Greg

[TrrboJeep]

I knew that van had 13's in her! :thumb:

Sweet! :D

[1qk4dr]

Sweet Run, That has got a great feeling at the track.

Joe

[crazyace]

Congrats man, that is a great job of representing turbo dodges everwhere. Keep working on it, you are on a good roll now.

[87glhs232]

:cheer2: Awsome Simon!

If I were on your shoe string budget, I think I'd try having Rob up the fuel a little.

[Ubmbass]

Hey man, that means alot from you, THE fastest mini van owner, :thumb:

You'll get the 12's this year I know it. I had mine running on 10-11 psi two days ago and it was faster than it has ever been.. Well I parked it in the back yard and checked under it for leaks and it was leaking oil pretty bad, so now the engine is sitting on an engine stand in the back yard and I am changing the oil pan gasket and flexplate (yes, I broke another one, this time I actually spun the bolts in the holes and they were oblong, all this in 15 miles on the new setup) Then hopefully get it tuned thursday, then race friday night. My fingers are crossed. :o

[turbovanman²]

^^^^^^^^^^I have all my fingers and toes crossed for you, :nod: I am too going back out Friday, trying to figure out how to control my detonation and quickly. Don't have money to buy an alky setup so we'll see what I can figure out.

[Dave]

About time! Can't wait for 12's man.

Felt great when you saw that slip didn't it? I screamed like a school girl when I saw mine. :thumb:

[turbovanman²]

About time! Can't wait for 12's man.

Felt great when you saw that slip didn't it? I screamed like a school girl when I saw mine. :thumb:

hahahaa, yep, so did I, even the guy that gave me the slip went holy sh*t, :lol:

[David Bohrer]

Glad to see you stick with it Dave!

[turbovanman²]

Glad to see you stick with it Dave!


You talking to me or Bryan aka Dave?:confused:

[Dave]

hahahaa, yep, so did I, even the guy that gave me the slip went holy sh*t, :lol:

I think it's bad luck to look at your slip until you pit. :nod:

[turbovanman²]

I think it's bad luck to look at your slip until you pit. :nod:



Hahaahaa, sure, whatever, :eyebrows:

[turboflanges.com]

Awesome! he's back! Hope I had something to do with that:nod:

[TurboJerry]

Awesome job Simon!:thumb: I am really thinking that a '89 turbo cam is the way to go now. Seems like the bigger cams don't like over 18 psi boost with the way the head is designed, and the backpressure issues. I suggest to check the timing and A/F ratio the comp is giving with a scanner while driving at WOT. Maybe have a friend look at the scanner while you drive to be "safe".

[GLHSKEN]

Simon, Back your ignition timing off 2 degrees and ty it. What does it take 5 minutes. Run it and see. Put RN3c's in there for plugs gapped at 25-28. They are a NON-protruding plug designed to stave off detonation.

Jerry is correct about high pressure and current cam designs. Too much overlap at high rpm boost pressures. Hopefully that will change soon.

Quick fix for you (you ARE a shop owner). Put a .020" shim on there to lower the compression ratio a tad. That WILL help with detonation. I've run one at 22 psi boost consistantly before no issues.

2.5's and swirl are just prone to detonation. You can't run a 2.2 and 2.5L the same way with a swirl. Chrysler knew it and built different spark curves in there for a reason.

[Frank]

Simon, Back your ignition timing off 2 degrees and ty it. What does it take 5 minutes. Run it and see. Put RN3c's in there for plugs gapped at 25-28. They are a NON-protruding plug designed to stave off detonation.

Jerry is correct about high pressure and current cam designs. Too much overlap at high rpm boost pressures. Hopefully that will change soon.

Quick fix for you (you ARE a shop owner). Put a .020" shim on there to lower the compression ratio a tad. That WILL help with detonation. I've run one at 22 psi boost consistantly before no issues.

2.5's and swirl are just prone to detonation. You can't run a 2.2 and 2.5L the same way with a swirl. Chrysler knew it and built different spark curves in there for a reason.

Amen on all of that Ken. :thumb:

Simon, I highly highly highly recommend that you hold off on the alky injection until you do these things. You are masking the real problem, and you will only make yourself further fustrated messing with alky and fuel mixtures when you can make a few simple fixes and be rest assured.


Frank

[turbovanman²]

Ok, thanks.

I did try backing off timing, I managed 4 deg retard before I ran out of time.

I have the NGK recessed plugs already, :eyebrows:

I will try playing with the timing tomorrow night. Shim is out of the question, too much work AND I like the way it drives around town, which is 99% of the time.

Frank, alky is up and running, it works unreal. I need to go smaller on the jet but I was running 25psi on 89 octane with NO DETONATION. Friggin unreal.

I am keeping and using all your idea's guys. Thanks a million. Tomorrow should be a record breaking day for me, :thumb:

[BadAssPerformance]

I am keeping and using all your idea's guys. Thanks a million. Tomorrow should be a record breaking day for me, :thumb:

Dont you mean "I'll be happy with 14's" ? lol... good luck!

[cordes]

Dont you mean "I'll be happy with 14's" ? lol... good luck!

I too am one to expect the worst so that any thing more is a bonus. It really is a great way to go through life.

However, there are times when you just feel invincible, and know you will come out on top.

Simon, my fingers are crossed.:thumb:

[4cefedomni]

sweet you got alcohol, did you use a windshield washer resevoir and pump or did you use something else? does it inject before or after the turbo? i'm definately gonna try to make it out there for friday night.

[turbovanman²]

sweet you got alcohol, did you use a windshield washer resevoir and pump or did you use something else? does it inject before or after the turbo? i'm definately gonna try to make it out there for friday night.


I used a ShelbyZ fuel pump, relay, GM purgle solenoid, Hobbs switch and NOS nozzle, 4 litre Windshield washer fluid container. If it works, I will do a write up on it on the fab section or in the alky section.

[GLHSKEN]

Ok, thanks.

I did try backing off timing, I managed 4 deg retard before I ran out of time.




NOT CAM.... IGNITION :D

[turbovanman²]

NOT CAM.... IGNITION :D


:lol: :lol: :lol: I tried both, retarding it 4 deg on the IGNITION side-:p made a teensy difference. Thats why the alky, I can't run enough pure C16 to stop it and I don't have any more time, and money to build a seperate tank for it.

[GLHSKEN]

If you are running 8^ initial and you still have detonation, SHim the head.

[turbovanman²]

If you are running 8^ initial and you still have detonation, SHim the head.


Nah, I like doing things the hard way, ;)

[4cefedomni]

hey simon it looks like i will be there tomorrow and i might bring my omni out i just went to the mission website and read the rules for the street legal drags and it no longer mentions rubber fuel lines, do you know if they are allowed now? it also says no plastic oil lines so it looks as though i will have to disconnect my pressure gauge. see you tomorrow!!!

[4cefedomni]

what time should i try to get there for tech inspections?

[turbovanman²]

Gates open at 4:30 so the earlier, the better. Its still 1ft or less of rubber hose, and no green or red coolant, water or water and waterwetter only.

[4cefedomni]

if its still 1 foot or less i'm SOL again that sucks i have like three feet of fuel line in one stretch. and there is only water and waterwetter in my car

[turbovanman²]

Just chop up the fuel line and use a metal piece and 2 rubber connectors. Fixed.

[4cefedomni]

i'm going to but now it might be my battery thats the problem its in the spare tire well and it has an angle iron hold down thats welded to the floor but i just phoned missions info line and he said i need to have a 1/8 inch piece of steel plate underneath the car that the battery box bolts to. but he said i could bring it and try to get a one night pass.

[85_600]

I have no idea HOW I missed this thread...So, without further ado....


:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
:dancingbana: :dancingbana: :dancingbana: :dancingbana: :dancingbana:

[Whorse]

I'll see what I can find out. I just have my stock battery mounting in place.

I'm didn't see anything about things like air intakes needing to be secured, etc...

[Whorse]

Just looked, and my 'neutral safety switch' is an issue. I'll have to read up on that. Car starts with clutch engaged or not.

[4cefedomni]

whorse are you going tomorrow too?

[turbovanman²]

He should be going, Hemidare is going and I am pretty sure I'll be there. Might be later though.

Had a setback tonight but fixed it, alky inj stopped working, grrrrrrrr, solenoid stopped working so finally got another one installed so its all good now. :thumb:

[Whorse]

I will be making my best attempt to go. I had a bit of an issue with my car tonight that I don't want to talk about because it made me angry and it's stupid and embarassing, but my car should at least get me to work and back fine. Undecided if I want to race or not.

[boost geek]

T2 time tommorrow!!! I'll hopefully be there on the next street legals!!!:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[SpoolinGLH]

i'm going to but now it might be my battery thats the problem its in the spare tire well and it has an angle iron hold down thats welded to the floor but i just phoned missions info line and he said i need to have a 1/8 inch piece of steel plate underneath the car that the battery box bolts to. but he said i could bring it and try to get a one night pass.


i would hate to have your drag strip. Both dragstrips by my house has no inspection at all. You pull up get your number and race.:amen:

[Whorse]

Yeah and they make all convertibles wear race helmets, even my slow one.

[turbovanman²]

i would hate to have your drag strip. Both dragstrips by my house has no inspection at all. You pull up get your number and race.:amen:

I would rather have a car thats safe than some backyarder who has no clue or is rushed for time and takes shortcuts, then either his car breaks doing a run and he crashes and kills himself or someone else. They stopped one guy for having slicks on aftermarket wheels and he barely had any thread showing on the nuts! :censored:

[Whorse]

Yes, and even though good vehicles like Simon's van can make a mess, a poorly maintained vehicle is more likely to oil down a track and ruin it for everyone.

[BTB]

This has to do with the alky-water injection kit that was in one of Simons prior replys. I know this is a ford business, but I e-mailed them and they said there Mr. Freeze kit will work on any car, truck, etc. The price of the kit is around $180.00. When I get the money I want two of those kits to run on booth my cars. The web site is- www.andersonfordmotorsport.com.:thumb:

[turbovanman²]

I will check it out, thanks!

[TrrboJeep]

Best of luck to you Simon... I see we have another alcoholic! :eyebrows:

Once you run alky, you will wonder why you never used it before! Honestly, alcohol was made for turbo's!!:thumb:
May the God's be with you're drive train. :p
(I think my Jeep would drink beer if I let it!) :lol: