I just flushed $300 down the toilet.

[boost geek]

Iv'e been waiting well over a month to get my head back, which wasn't really a big deal, but I looked at it today when I got home, and thought "what kinda botched piece of crap is this?" Where's my interlocking seats? It's a 445 head that was getting big valves that I was gonna use on my oval port intake, guess not this year. Cyl #2 has a proper ex valve seat, with a 33.3mm i/d. The other 3 have a regular seat with a 31.7mm i/d opening, maybe slightly larger than stock, but not for a 36.8mm valve. The intake seats are all 36.3mm i/d, supposed to fit a 44mm valve. My original seats were actually wider than these, as I opened them up a bit with a die grinder.

Cyl #1 with "new big valve seats"
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/boostgeek/100_3107.jpg

Cyl #2 with a proper ex seat but small intake.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/boostgeek/100_3106.jpg

Cyl #3
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/boostgeek/100_3105.jpg

Cyl #4
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/boostgeek/100_3104.jpg

The guides were replaced, but they are shorter than the roofs, might be hard to see on the pic.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/boostgeek/100_3093-1.jpg

I'm kinda dissapointed that I can't bolt this thing on and go, it's kinda useless to me with the way the seats are, and the machine shop is closed for holidays for the next couple weeks. Even if he fixes it, racing for me will probably be done, because my S.C. runs out of insurance on Sept.10.

[contraption22]

Wow... thats some pretty rough work on that head.

[Force Fed Mopar]

Well, partially I don't know what I'm looking at, partially the pics are fuzzy. Can you maybe add in little arrows pointing out what's wrong with it? :)

[boost geek]

You should be seeing interlocking valve seats.

[puppet]

Were the chambers ported with a cold chisel?

[Force Fed Mopar]

You should be seeing interlocking valve seats.

Lol, I don't know what that means :confused2: The tapered parts should be touching, or what?

[boost geek]

Were the chambers ported with a cold chisel?

You must be referring to the last pic? That was from putting the seat in.

[BadAssPerformance]

So... dare I ask... wheredja get it?

[bakes]

What did he do to my old spare race head its butchered, i would kick some --- when he gets back that un acceptable from a that machine shop (thought he was good)!

[puppet]

You must be referring to the last pic? That was from putting the seat in.... woah :confused:

[boost geek]

So... dare I ask... wheredja get it?

The same place Simon gets his stuff done.

No wonder his stuff always breaks.:o

[BadAssPerformance]

The same place Simon gets his stuff done.

No wonder his stuff always breaks.:o

Oh Snap!

[turbovanman²]

The same place Simon gets his stuff done.

No wonder his stuff always breaks.:o

Its not because of that, :(

He's the only one that fix's the stuff others mess up.

I don't know what to say, and I can't defend it because its bad, :(

[boost geek]

Sorry man, meant it as a joke.;)

Just feeling kinda grumpy right now...

[The Pope]

the exhaust seats should be around 32-33mm ID and the intake should be around 40mm ID. Then you have to open them yourself to the right ID. You should have had them cut to big valve size before they gave them back, this is one way THEY would have known they screwed up. Actually looks better than a 445 I'm working on for some one...

[contraption22]

I hope you get your money back. I wouldn't have paid a dime for work like that.

[Juggy]

im guessing you asked for the interlocking seats? if so, and they didnt install them, at YOUR request, id say its THEIR F up

i got big valves too....BUT...all seats are STOCK. only 1 seat was changed, non interlocking, for #4 intake valve. only seat ive had a prob with.

[BadAssPerformance]

IIR, only need interlocking if going larger than 44mm I 36.8mm E ... like 38mm E with the 44mm I requires them...

[turbovanman²]

I know he will take care of it when he gets back. He was in a rush to go camping, again, not making excuses and yeah, puts you behind 2 weeks. :o

[black86glhs]

I say blame Simon!!!!:thumb:

[turbovanman²]

I say blame Simon!!!!:thumb:

Sure, why not, :o

[Force Fed Mopar]

Could someone please post pics of what it was supposed to look like? :)

[boost geek]

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17183&highlight=interlocking+seats
Only pic I could find.

[boost geek]

im guessing you asked for the interlocking seats? if so, and they didnt install them, at YOUR request, id say its THEIR F up

i got big valves too....BUT...all seats are STOCK. only 1 seat was changed, non interlocking, for #4 intake valve. only seat ive had a prob with.

If I put the intake valve over the seat upside down, you can't see the seat. There couldn't be much "meat" left if you were to open the seat to 40+mm.

Rob is a nice guy, and like Simon says, I'm sure he'll make it good when he gets back.:)

[black86glhs]

Sure, why not, :oNo, it's not your fault. That was too easy and you owned up to it to quickly....LOL.;)
I agree, even though I don't know the place, that he will take care of it.:nod:

[bakes]

IIR, only need interlocking if going larger than 44mm I 36.8mm E ... like 38mm E with the 44mm I requires them...


That the whole ideal was to put in 44m /38 valves if we went +1 i would have done the valve job my self.

[2.216VTurbo]

WHOA:eek: How hard do you have to *try* to use different sized seats on one head?:confused2:

[Juggy]

well im still tryin to figure out why your out 300

my head has stock seats, 44.xx toyota intake valve with 36.8 MP exhaust

[boost geek]

well im still tryin to figure out why your out 300

my head has stock seats, 44.xx toyota intake valve with 36.8 MP exhaust

What's the i/d of your seats? It's only gonna flow to what your seats will allow. I even question +1 valves on a stock seat, if the seat hasn't been opened up.

[puppet]

The seats should be worked .. even with a +1.

[Force Fed Mopar]

well im still tryin to figure out why your out 300

my head has stock seats, 44.xx toyota intake valve with 36.8 MP exhaust

Slightly off-topic, but that is a 2TC-3TC valve, right?

[Juggy]

What's the i/d of your seats? It's only gonna flow to what your seats will allow. I even question +1 valves on a stock seat, if the seat hasn't been opened up.

honestly i dont know, never measured it. trusted the machinist to open up everything properly, but in comparison to a stock head, its HUGE in the bowl areas. maybe i am running more valve then i need, or maybe i have some thin seats. ill have to take some measuremeants next time the top end comes off.

[boost geek]

I brought the head to another machine shop to find valve seals, because the guides dont have a groove for the seal to hold onto. He took one look at the head, and said the guides dont have a lock ring, they could drop down. He also thinks that one oddball exhaust seat could also drop. I just might end up scrapping this head yet.:banghead:

[bakes]

The ring locks are not needed just nice to have this is not a 3.ol head where they have ring locks to stop them from falling .

[GLHNSLHT2]

The same place Simon gets his stuff done.

No wonder his stuff always breaks.:o


LOL so that explains it :)

[puppet]

The ring locks are not needed just nice to have this is not a 3.ol head where they have ring locks to stop them from falling .
Yeah ... but to be on the save side at least do cylinder #3.

:P

[bakes]

The only time i have seen a valve guide drop on a 2.2/2.5 is when the head has been overheated

[4 l-bodies]

I wouldn't get too hung up on whether or not they interlock or not. I personally prefer not to have them interlock, IMO, you are just transferring more heat to the intake seat unnecessarily with interlocking seats. Your head was not done very well, but believe it or not, I've seen worse! Many times you get what you pay for. IMO, time to start over.
I shot a quick pic of my BV swirl head for you. It uses 44 and 38mm Manley valves. As you can see the seats are almost touching, but not quite. The seats need to be large enough to put a top 15 degree dress on them for best results.
Some guides don't have a wire stop but use a larger OD on upper part of the guide as a stop. The ones pictured I had made up are like that. No chance of ever dropping.
Almost any seats you will buy for the 8V heads (especially those crazy expensive MP BV seats) you will need to have the ID's opened up to match your valve size.
Todd

[turbovanman²]

LOL so that explains it :)

Nice. :o

Some of my stuff breaks as I don't like to do what my gauges tell me not to, :lol:

I will add Dick told Rob he wasn't in a rush, then just before Rob goes on holidays, Dick tells him he want's his head done, so of course, it gets rushed. Look, its 4 months later and he is just getting to it? ;)

No excuse for messing up a head but this is part of the reason, :(

[amoparacer]

i for one would not go back to him no matter what. The head is still savable by what I see but pick a better machinist.

[boost geek]

I phoned weeks, if not months before he went on holidays. He said he had guides in it, waiting for seats, but when I came to check it out, nothing was done. I think he got his kid to do it. You dropped your head off just weeks before he left, probably not even weeks, and did it right away. I told him to take his time so I wouldn't rush him, and he could do a good job. I bet he got his kid to do it. I would phone and his kid would answer, no social skills, just yes and no.
I'll run this head this year, hopefully it will hold together, first have to find some valve seals that have some kind of metal clamp on them to hold them on.

[turbovanman²]

If you feel its wrong, take it back and he'll fix it up.

I put my own head together, I just had him cut the seats and valves, then I assembled it myself as he was mega busy.

Not trying to pick sides or defend his work but when rushed, things go wrong, I should know, :(

Why are you looking for different valve seals? The stockers work just fine.

[boost geek]

The guides dont have a groove for the seals to hold onto.

[turbovanman²]

The guides dont have a groove for the seals to hold onto.

They are not supposed too, the stockers just slide on and are held on by friction.

[puppet]

Nice looking chamber there Todd.

[4 l-bodies]

Nice looking chamber there Todd.

Thanks Phil. Been sitting in my basement for a year or so. Not just a beauty queen, flows big #'s too.:thumb: